Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?

--
Cheers
Clive

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?

Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.

I wish he'd research the difference between its and it's.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>
> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>
> I wish he'd research the difference between its and it's.
>

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
"Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>
>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>
>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>
>
> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.

--
Cheers
Clive

On 4/22/2022 1:32, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>
>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>
>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>
>>
>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
>
> Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
>

Above all a very beautiful song.

Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------
>>
> >> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>
> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

** Brilliant song and recording.
Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.

Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
using the same musical ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk

...... Phil

On 4/21/2022 10:03 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
> Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> -----------------------------------
>>>
>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
> >
>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
>
> ** Brilliant song and recording.
> Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.

They were still experimenting with stereo too I think, panning the lead
vocals that far right for much of the song would be rare for a pop song
today, keeping the lead vocal front and center is where you usually find it.

Reminds me of what seems like an odd decision to pan Eddie Van Halen's
guitar hard left and the reverb to the right thru most of Van Halen 1:

<https://youtu.be/Y-IUB62zDlA>

> Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
> ( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
> using the same musical ideas.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk

The Mahavishnu Orchestra - "Meeting Of The Spirits":

<https://youtu.be/WhzDBGiOTvg>

Still a barn-burner 50 years later.

> ..... Phil
>
>
>

On 4/21/2022 11:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 10:03 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
>>   Dimiter Popoff wrote:
>> -----------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>   >
>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
>>
>> ** Brilliant song and recording.
>>   Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on
>> a pop song.
>
> They were still experimenting with stereo too I think, panning the lead
> vocals that far right for much of the song would be rare for a pop song
> today, keeping the lead vocal front and center is where you usually find
> it.
>
> Reminds me of what seems like an odd decision to pan Eddie Van Halen's
> guitar hard left and the reverb to the right thru most of Van Halen 1:
>
> <https://youtu.be/Y-IUB62zDlA>

Maybe they wanted to make it sound like a live concert is my guess with
the panning choices on that album.

On 4/22/2022 5:03, Phil Allison wrote:
> Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> -----------------------------------
>>>
>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
> >
>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
>
> ** Brilliant song and recording.
> Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.
>
> Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
> ( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
> using the same musical ideas.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>

Hah! Had never noticed that it is a sitar in "Paint it Black".
And to me the is "the" Rolling Stones song (I also like many
others but this one stands out).

On 4/22/2022 18:16, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+10, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 5:03, Phil Allison wrote:
>>> Dimiter Popoff wrote:
>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it Good, Norwegian wood?
>>>>
>>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) Maybe he meant it.
>
> Of course I did. It's a far-fetched joke. Kamyr was a branch of the Norwegian wood processing industry.
>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
>>>
>>> ** Brilliant song and recording.
>>> Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.
>>>
>>> Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
>>> ( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
>>> using the same musical ideas.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk
>>>
>> Hah! Had never noticed that it is a sitar in "Paint it Black".
>> And to me the is "the" Rolling Stones song (I also like many
>> others but this one stands out).
>
> "Norwegian Wood" is Beatles - Lennon/McCartney, if mostly Lennon - from 1965.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(This_Bird_Has_Flown)
>
> The Rolling Stones may have been almost as famous, bu they never struck me as being in the same league.
>

Well nobody is in the league of the Beatles of course, nobody
can even come close.
But many - myself included - would argue that the Stones are
pretty much in a league of their own, plenty of great, memorable
songs they did in the 60-s.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:32:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>
>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>
>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>
>>
>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8>
>
>Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.

Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.

Hardly rises to the level arson. Vandalism?

I'm not sure what it would be called in the US.

Joe Gwinn

Dimiter Popoff wrote:
=================
>
> > "Norwegian Wood" is Beatles - Lennon/McCartney, if mostly Lennon - from 1965.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(This_Bird_Has_Flown)
> >
> > The Rolling Stones may have been almost as famous, bu they never struck me as being in the same league.
> >
> Well nobody is in the league of the Beatles of course, nobody
> can even come close.

** Here is a list of all Beatles songs ever released.

https://www.beatlesbible.com/songs/

I counted 341 and can recall the sound of most of them.

IMO there were just a few good Beatles covers - like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBGBBMLZ6bQ

....... Phil

Joe Gwinn wrote:
=============
>
> >Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
> Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.
>
> Hardly rises to the level arson. Vandalism?

** Not a crime at all.

But the owner of the chair or whatever is entitled to compensation.

...... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
============================
>
> IMO there were just a few good Beatles covers - like this one:
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F2sn2rQiXo

..... Phil

On 4/23/2022 0:28, Phil Allison wrote:
> Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> =================
>>
>>> "Norwegian Wood" is Beatles - Lennon/McCartney, if mostly Lennon - from 1965.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(This_Bird_Has_Flown)
>>>
>>> The Rolling Stones may have been almost as famous, bu they never struck me as being in the same league.
>>>
>> Well nobody is in the league of the Beatles of course, nobody
>> can even come close.
>
>
> ** Here is a list of all Beatles songs ever released.
>
> https://www.beatlesbible.com/songs/
>
> I counted 341 and can recall the sound of most of them.
>
> IMO there were just a few good Beatles covers - like this one:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBGBBMLZ6bQ
>
>
> ...... Phil
>
>
>

I was sceptic about the cover but it was not bad at all actually.
And the song is anything but easy to do I think.

My take on the "best cover I ever listened to" is the Beatles
cover of Chuck Berry's "Rock and Roll Music" (with G. Martin at the
piano IIRC). Among other things John had this incredible voice.
One can hear how impeccable his singing is in the stereo version
of "I Should Have Known Better", one channel is just his voice.

On 4/23/2022 1:43, Phil Allison wrote:
> Phil Allison wrote:
> ============================
>>
>> IMO there were just a few good Beatles covers - like this one:
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F2sn2rQiXo
>
>
> .... Phil
>
>

Aaah these girls are really good, they don't try to be too creative,
just cover the songs as they are. And they do it really well, it is
not just "Nowhere Man".

On 22/04/2022 21:36, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:32:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>>
>>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>>
>>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8>
>>
>> Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
>
> Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.
>
> Hardly rises to the level arson. Vandalism?
>
> I'm not sure what it would be called in the US.
>
> Joe Gwinn

I had always thought it meant setting the room on fire. Seems I'm not
alone...

<Wikipedia>

McCartney commented on the final verse of the song: "In our world the
guy had to have some sort of revenge. It could have meant I lit a fire
to keep myself warm, and wasn't the decor of her house wonderful? But it
didn't, it meant I burned the fucking place down as an act of revenge,
and then we left it there and went into the instrumental."

</Wikipedia>

--
Cheers
Clive

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 12:57:14 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 22/04/2022 21:36, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:32:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8>
>>>
>>> Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
>>
>> Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.
>>
>> Hardly rises to the level arson. Vandalism?
>>
>> I'm not sure what it would be called in the US.
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>
>I had always thought it meant setting the room on fire. Seems I'm not
>alone...
>
><Wikipedia>
>
>McCartney commented on the final verse of the song: "In our world the
>guy had to have some sort of revenge. It could have meant I lit a fire
>to keep myself warm, and wasn't the decor of her house wonderful? But it
>didn't, it meant I burned the fucking place down as an act of revenge,
>and then we left it there and went into the instrumental."
>
></Wikipedia>

Hmm. Well, Counselor, you have a point there. So it was arson.

Not that anything ever happened in consequence.

Joe Gwinn

On 2022-04-22, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:32:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
><clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>>
>>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>>
>>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8>
>>
>>Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
>
> Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.

There wasn't a chair.

--
Jasen.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:22:27 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

>On 2022-04-22, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:32:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
>><clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8>
>>>
>>>Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
>>
>> Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.
>
>There wasn't a chair.

I noticed that now as well, after the quote from a Beetle in the Wiki
article.

But I recall two versions of the lyrics, one saying "I once met a girl
....", the other saying that "I once had a girl ...", the difference
being the implications of had versus met. This was always bothering
me.

Later, it came to me that the "had" story given in the Wiki didn't
hold up:

If the girl was already a mistress, there would not likely be any
tease involved, and if her apartment had in fact been set alight,
there would be no mystery as to who set the fire, or why for that
matter, and we would have seen news reports of a real arson
prosecution. Which never happened.

The "met" story makes more sense. In that case, a tease could well
have happened, and it's entirely possible that the girl did not know
exactly who her guest was. If no accelerant was used, the fire
investigators could well have had difficulty showing that this was
anything more than a stove left on or the like.

Joe Gwinn

On 28/04/2022 17:15, Joe Gwinn wrote:

<snip>

> But I recall two versions of the lyrics, one saying "I once met a girl
> ...", the other saying that "I once had a girl ...", the difference
> being the implications of had versus met. This was always bothering
> me.

The "I once had a girl" line is a feed for "Or should I say, she once
had me". In this context the meaning of the second 'had' is 'fooled',
which is common English informal usage.

--
Cheers
Clive

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:07:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 28/04/2022 17:15, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> But I recall two versions of the lyrics, one saying "I once met a girl
>> ...", the other saying that "I once had a girl ...", the difference
>> being the implications of had versus met. This was always bothering
>> me.
>
>The "I once had a girl" line is a feed for "Or should I say, she once
>had me". In this context the meaning of the second 'had' is 'fooled',
>which is common English informal usage.

Yep, and I also read it that way.

But met can also be used two ways, the second implying intent to meet
versus accidental meeting.

Joe Gwinn

In article <klel6h5hu0bqdvr9i6q0a050kjf5v96kce@4ax.com>,
Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

>But I recall two versions of the lyrics, one saying "I once met a girl
>...", the other saying that "I once had a girl ..."

I suspect a dual meaning of "had" in Lennon's wordplay is relevant
here ...

"I once had a girl" (had a relationship with) versus
"she once had me" -- as in "she conned me" (had me over) due to him not
getting any sex out of it, despite putting in the groundwork. Biding
his time, as it were.

The "met" version of the lyric (an early draft?) would not lead to that
wordplay.
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--------------------------------------+------------------------------------
Mike Brown: mjb[-at-]signal11.org.uk | http://www.signal11.org.uk

On 2022-04-28, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:22:27 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
><usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-04-22, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 23:32:30 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>><clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
>>>>> On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
>>>>>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't it God, Norwegian wod?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sloman corrects everyone's spelling but his own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish he'd research the difference between  its  and  it's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
>>>>> "Rubber Soul"... :) May be he meant it.
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
>>>
>>> Teasing leading to furniture combustion in a fireplace.
>>
>>There wasn't a chair.
>
> I noticed that now as well, after the quote from a Beetle in the Wiki
> article.
>
> But I recall two versions of the lyrics, one saying "I once met a girl
> ...", the other saying that "I once had a girl ...", the difference
> being the implications of had versus met. This was always bothering
> me.
>
> Later, it came to me that the "had" story given in the Wiki didn't
> hold up:

Had can also mean tricked, many 3 letter words are quite versitile.

> If the girl was already a mistress, there would not likely be any
> tease involved, and if her apartment had in fact been set alight,
> there would be no mystery as to who set the fire, or why for that
> matter, and we would have seen news reports of a real arson
> prosecution. Which never happened.

It's probable that some of the story is fantasy... just like the
Yellow Submarine and and Sergeant Pepper (etc)

wiki says that the story is mostly John's but the arson was added by
Paul.

--
Jasen.