More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.

One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.

At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.

So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.

Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.

How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.

Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>
> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>
> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>
> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>
> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>
> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>
> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.

Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?

Lou

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.

Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.

Lou

On 11/19/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>
> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>
> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>
> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>
> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>
> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>
> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
>
>

Acetylsalicilic acid was synthesized in the late 1800s and
commercialized about 1900.

The 1918 influenza had several waves of different variants
and is commonly known as the Spanish Flu although origin is
unknown (I've read several interesting hypotheses on origin
but all are inconclusive. Not Spain at any rate)

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:33:42 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/19/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >
> > One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> >
> > At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
> >
> > So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> >
> > Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> >
> > How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> >
> > Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> >
> >
> Acetylsalicilic acid was synthesized in the late 1800s and
> commercialized about 1900.
>
> The 1918 influenza had several waves of different variants
> and is commonly known as the Spanish Flu although origin is
> unknown (I've read several interesting hypotheses on origin
> but all are inconclusive. Not Spain at any rate)
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The reason it is called the Spanish flu is because it was exposed in Spain that there was something going on. It was kept 'secret' because of WW1 in other countries but Spain was neutral in that conflict.

Lou

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
>
> Lou
It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:27:08 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >
> > One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> >
> > At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
> >
> > So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> >
> > Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> >
> > How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> >
> > Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
>
> Lou
Due to the common use of antibiotics, normal body temperature now is closer to 36C. Are you asking why warm blooded mammals as warm blooded?

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>>
>> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>>
>> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>>
>> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>>
>> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>>
>> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>>
>> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
>
>
>Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
>
>Lou

Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >>
> >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> >>
> >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
> >>
> >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> >>
> >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> >>
> >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> >>
> >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> >
> >
> >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
> >
> >Lou
> Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
> thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.

Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.

Lou

On 11/19/2023 3:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
>>
>> Lou
> It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.

Or Kansas but neither is provable.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:41:35 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/19/2023 3:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
> >>
> >> Lou
> > It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.
> Or Kansas but neither is provable.
>

Indeed. The earliest documented case was March 1918 in the state of Kansas in the United States. India is not likely.

Lou

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:39:45 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04?PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>> >>
>> >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>> >>
>> >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>> >>
>> >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>> >>
>> >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>> >>
>> >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>> >>
>> >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
>> >
>> >
>> >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
>> >
>> >Lou
>> Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
>> thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
>
>Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
>
>Lou

Forehead monitors and under tongue electronic monitors almost always
show 97.2...

Tom also thought I should get another doctor because he's perfectly
fine with my low resting heart rate... high thirties, low 40s. He's
also fine with my temperature. I think I'll keep my doctor.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:50:30 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:39:45 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04?PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> >> >>
> >> >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
> >> >>
> >> >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> >> >>
> >> >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> >> >>
> >> >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
> >> >
> >> >Lou
> >> Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
> >> thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
> >
> >Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
> >
> >Lou
> Forehead monitors and under tongue electronic monitors almost always
> show 97.2...

They don’t show core temperatures.

>
> Tom also thought I should get another doctor because he's perfectly
> fine with my low resting heart rate... high thirties, low 40s. He's
> also fine with my temperature. I think I'll keep my doctor.

I agree.

Lou

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:34:28 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:50:30?PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:39:45 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04?PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
>> >> >
>> >> >Lou
>> >> Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
>> >> thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
>> >
>> >Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> Forehead monitors and under tongue electronic monitors almost always
>> show 97.2...
>
>They don’t show core temperatures.

OK

>> Tom also thought I should get another doctor because he's perfectly
>> fine with my low resting heart rate... high thirties, low 40s. He's
>> also fine with my temperature. I think I'll keep my doctor.
>
>I agree.
>
>Lou

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:33:42?PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 11/19/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > More study has brought to me interesting information. During the
1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time
that aspirin was invented and became available.
>> >
>> > One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>> >
>> > At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>> >
>> > So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>> >
>> > Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>> >
>> > How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>> >
>> > Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
>> >
>> >
>> Acetylsalicilic acid was synthesized in the late 1800s and
>> commercialized about 1900.
>>
>> The 1918 influenza had several waves of different variants
>> and is commonly known as the Spanish Flu although origin is
>> unknown (I've read several interesting hypotheses on origin
>> but all are inconclusive. Not Spain at any rate)
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
>
>The reason it is called the Spanish flu is because it was exposed in Spain that there was something going on. It was kept 'secret' because of WW1 in other countries but Spain was neutral in that conflict.
>
>Lou

And, The earliest documented case was March 1918 in the state of
Kansas in the United States :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:39:48 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> > <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> > >>
> > >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> > >>
> > >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
> > >>
> > >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> > >>
> > >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> > >>
> > >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> > >>
> > >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> > >
> > >
> > >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
> > >
> > >Lou
> > Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
> > thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
> Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
>
> Lou

So you're exercising to the point of sweating is a serious risk? You seem to be courting with death.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:41:35 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/19/2023 3:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
> >>
> >> Lou
> > It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.
> Or Kansas but neither is provable.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Well, its a good suggestion since they dug up Indians of the lower caste that died BEFORE 1915 from unknown causes and the virus they discovered was the original strain of H1N1 that caused the pandemic. No one cared what caused the lower castes to die in India so it took a recent study to discover that.

Now this doesn't guarantee that it came from India but the timing is close enough to answer questions.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:50:30 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:39:45 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04?PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> >> >>
> >> >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
> >> >>
> >> >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> >> >>
> >> >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> >> >>
> >> >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
> >> >
> >> >Lou
> >> Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
> >> thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
> >
> >Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
> >
> >Lou
> Forehead monitors and under tongue electronic monitors almost always
> show 97.2...
>
> Tom also thought I should get another doctor because he's perfectly
> fine with my low resting heart rate... high thirties, low 40s. He's
> also fine with my temperature. I think I'll keep my doctor.
I think that you're mistaking me for dumbshit Liebermann since he accused me of lying when I said that by heart rate would drop to as low as 20 while I was watching TV and in hard training. Besides the heart rate monitor, If I stood up at that time my blood pressure would be so low that I would almost fall over and I would have to support myself until my heart rate returned to normal. As for temperature, why in the hell would I comment on a normal temperature? I would leave that for the experts like Liebermann. In his 6 years getting (as he calls it) a BS in engineering, (Good lord is it possible to be more accurate than that?) he also got a medical degree. I only designed and programmed at least a half dozen medical machines. Why Liebermann could even tell me that heart lung machines that I designed and programmed was really in use in the 1800's. Obviously on the streets of Tombstone, AZ.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:25:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:41:35?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 11/19/2023 3:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04?PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>> >> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> > It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.
>> Or Kansas but neither is provable.

>Well, its a good suggestion since they dug up Indians of the lower caste that died BEFORE 1915 from unknown causes and the virus they discovered was the original strain of H1N1 that caused the pandemic. No one cared what caused the lower castes to die in India so it took a recent study to discover that.
>Now this doesn't guarantee that it came from India but the timing is close enough to answer questions.

For once, Tom seems to be correct. 10 to 20 million dead. I have to
confess that I didn't know about that pandemic in India:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic_in_India>

I thought you meant these Indians:
"Native American tribes were already being wiped out. Then the 1918
flu hit."
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/28/1918-flu-native-americans-coronavirus/>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 11/19/2023 5:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:25:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:41:35?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 11/19/2023 3:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04?PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>>>>> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>> It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.
>>> Or Kansas but neither is provable.
>
>> Well, its a good suggestion since they dug up Indians of the lower caste that died BEFORE 1915 from unknown causes and the virus they discovered was the original strain of H1N1 that caused the pandemic. No one cared what caused the lower castes to die in India so it took a recent study to discover that.
>> Now this doesn't guarantee that it came from India but the timing is close enough to answer questions.
>
> For once, Tom seems to be correct. 10 to 20 million dead. I have to
> confess that I didn't know about that pandemic in India:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic_in_India>
>
> I thought you meant these Indians:
> "Native American tribes were already being wiped out. Then the 1918
> flu hit."
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/28/1918-flu-native-americans-coronavirus/>
>

Also interesting is that the samples used to sequence the
1918 influenza are from Alaskans as the bodies have been
virtually 'on ice' and are well enough preserved to retrieve
useful virus samples.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:41:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think that you're mistaking me for dumbshit Liebermann since he accused me of lying when I said that by heart rate would drop to as low as 20 while I was watching TV and in hard training. Besides the heart rate monitor, If I stood up at that time my blood pressure would be so low that I would almost fall over and I would have to support myself until my heart rate returned to normal. As for temperature, why in the hell would I comment on a normal temperature? I would leave that for the experts like Liebermann. In his 6 years getting (as he calls it) a BS in engineering, (Good lord is it possible to be more accurate than that?) he also got a medical degree. I only designed and programmed at least a half dozen medical machines. Why Liebermann could even tell me that heart lung machines that I designed and programmed was really in use in the 1800's. Obviously on the streets of Tombstone, AZ.

I never said anything like that about your minimum heart rate.
However, I did comment on your alleged 167 bpm rate and your maximum
heart rate:
(July 2, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/N6W9EA1hcqQ/m/61Nuy1XvAAAJ>

"Target Heart Rate and Estimated Maximum Heart Rate"
<https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/measuring/heartrate.htm>
The rule of thumb is:
maximum_heart_rate = 220 - your_age
For you, that would be:
220 - 78 = 142 bpm
167 is much too high.

However, if you BP is as low as 20, then you have hypotension. It
might also explain your chronic errors in judgment and memory
failures, which might be due to lack of oxygenated blood to the brain.
Since you haven't died from this low blood pressure condition, the
only other available explanation is that you're lying. Try some
references:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=hypotension>
Most say that you should talk to a body mechanic if your BP is lower
than 60 mmHg.

I've been recording my resting heart rate since about 2001. Most of
the numbers are garbage because of wide and random variations. Earlier
this year, I decided to determine the cause and discovered by I have
three identical Omron HEM-773 HRM's, all of which produced
inconsistent results. I bought a new Omron BP7100 RHM which is much
more consistent with the added bonus of being certified:
<https://omronhealthcare.com/service-and-support/clinical-validation/>
<https://www.validatebp.org>
<https://www.validatebp.org/device/3-serieshem-7311/>

Here a graph of my daily BP since Aug 2, 2023:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/BP-JeffL-2023-11-19.jpg>
The measurements were taken as close as possible to 1 hr after taking
my evening pills. There is still more variation that I would like,
but it's much better than the previous mess.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:41:32 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 11/19/2023 3:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:28:04?PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>>> Indian flu? We had the Spanish flu here around that time.
>>>
>>> Lou
>> It was called the Spanish Flu but it originated in India.
>
>Or Kansas but neither is provable.

The first "documented" case was in Kansas and some researches suggest
that it might have originated there but there is no actual proof of
origin. Or none that I can find, anyway (:-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:41:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:50:30?PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:39:45 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04?PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
>> >> >
>> >> >Lou
>> >> Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
>> >> thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
>> >
>> >Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> Forehead monitors and under tongue electronic monitors almost always
>> show 97.2...
>>
>> Tom also thought I should get another doctor because he's perfectly
>> fine with my low resting heart rate... high thirties, low 40s. He's
>> also fine with my temperature. I think I'll keep my doctor.

>I think that you're mistaking me for dumbshit Liebermann since he accused me of lying when I said that by heart rate would drop to as low as 20 while I was watching TV and in hard training. Besides the heart rate monitor, If I stood up at that time my blood pressure would be so low that I would almost fall over and I would have to support myself until my heart rate returned to normal. As for temperature, why in the hell would I comment on a normal temperature? I would leave that for the experts like Liebermann. In his 6 years getting (as he calls it) a BS in engineering, (Good lord is it possible to be more accurate than that?) he also got a medical degree. I only designed and programmed at least a half dozen medical machines. Why Liebermann could even tell me that heart lung machines that I designed and programmed was really in use in the 1800's. Obviously on the streets of Tombstone, AZ.

Well Tommy you better call the Guinness Book of Records as you have
set a new record. As currently, the lowest confirmed heart rate on
record seems to be 27 bpm belonging to Martin Brady (UK, b. 24 March
1969) who was tested at the Guernsey Chest and Heart Unit, Channel
Islands on 11 August 2005
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/lowest-heart-rate
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:36:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:41:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I think that you're mistaking me for dumbshit Liebermann since he accused me of lying when I said that by heart rate would drop to as low as 20 while I was watching TV and in hard training. Besides the heart rate monitor, If I stood up at that time my blood pressure would be so low that I would almost fall over and I would have to support myself until my heart rate returned to normal. As for temperature, why in the hell would I comment on a normal temperature? I would leave that for the experts like Liebermann. In his 6 years getting (as he calls it) a BS in engineering, (Good lord is it possible to be more accurate than that?) he also got a medical degree. I only designed and programmed at least a half dozen medical machines. Why Liebermann could even tell me that heart lung machines that I designed and programmed was really in use in the 1800's. Obviously on the streets of Tombstone, AZ.
>
>I never said anything like that about your minimum heart rate.
>However, I did comment on your alleged 167 bpm rate and your maximum
>heart rate:
>(July 2, 2023)
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/N6W9EA1hcqQ/m/61Nuy1XvAAAJ>
>
>"Target Heart Rate and Estimated Maximum Heart Rate"
><https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/measuring/heartrate.htm>
>The rule of thumb is:
>maximum_heart_rate = 220 - your_age
>For you, that would be:
>220 - 78 = 142 bpm
>167 is much too high.
>
>However, if you BP is as low as 20, then you have hypotension. It
>might also explain your chronic errors in judgment and memory
>failures, which might be due to lack of oxygenated blood to the brain.
>Since you haven't died from this low blood pressure condition, the
>only other available explanation is that you're lying. Try some
>references:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=hypotension>
>Most say that you should talk to a body mechanic if your BP is lower
>than 60 mmHg.
>
>I've been recording my resting heart rate since about 2001. Most of
>the numbers are garbage because of wide and random variations. Earlier
>this year, I decided to determine the cause and discovered by I have
>three identical Omron HEM-773 HRM's, all of which produced
>inconsistent results. I bought a new Omron BP7100 RHM which is much
>more consistent with the added bonus of being certified:
><https://omronhealthcare.com/service-and-support/clinical-validation/>
><https://www.validatebp.org>
><https://www.validatebp.org/device/3-serieshem-7311/>
>
>Here a graph of my daily BP since Aug 2, 2023:
><http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/BP-JeffL-2023-11-19.jpg>
>The measurements were taken as close as possible to 1 hr after taking
>my evening pills. There is still more variation that I would like,
>but it's much better than the previous mess.

Resting heart rates aren't a constant. Even if you are flat on your
back in a hospital. For example, a change in blood oxygen level will
trigger a change in heart rate. Outside air temperature and humidity
will also effect pulse rate.
But your systolic 120 to 170 overnight, as it were, seems rather a
lot.

What happens if you take the BP readings before taking the pills?
Of course I can't comment on your pills but certainly the pills I take
effect my B.P. and pulse rate very quickly.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 12:19:20 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:39:48 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31:04 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> > > <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:11:22?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >> More study has brought to me interesting information. During the 1918 bouts of Indian Flu that killed so many, this was at the time that aspirin was invented and became available.
> > > >>
> > > >> One of the things that aspirin does is that it causes a dramatic reduction in fever.
> > > >>
> > > >> At the same time another school of thought said that fever was the body's reaction to infection and should be encouraged rather than thwarted..
> > > >>
> > > >> So they would use hot baths and hot towels to raise body temperatures rather than lower them. The people that used this technique had almost NO Flu deaths while the others up to 60 or more percent.
> > > >>
> > > >> Modern medicine now knows that a fever of 39 degrees C (102 F) triggers a large burst of Interferon which causes an abrupt burst of several different anti-viral compounds to be released by the immune system.
> > > >>
> > > >> How does this have anything to do with bicycling? Well riding hard also causes the body to overheat much like the surge of a fever. So if you've ever noticed that cyclists usually don't get sick as much as sedentary people this may very well be the reason. And this also suggests that dressing in such a manner to keep your body temperature in a position so that it can get to and retain 39 degrees C while cycling is probably a good way of preventing viral diseases like the flu. It also appears that the partial immune response from taking vaccines reduce fevers below the trigger point and probably cause more harm than good. It is better to keep your immune system supercharged than to hope to use your immune system partial response due to vaccines to prevent the illness.
> > > >>
> > > >> Did you ever wonder why hard workers so rarely get sick? Perhaps we now have the reason.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Why does the body of a healthy person regulate the temperature to 37 degrees Celsius with extreme accuracy?
> > > >
> > > >Lou
> > > Nor everyone. I've always been at 97.. now with accurate
> > > thermometers, I' usually at 97.2.
> > Core temperature? Anyway you answered my question. There is a reason for that temperature and why it is kept constant. Tom suggest that it is maybe a good idea to raise that temperature to 39 degrees to prevent infections.. It is not. Overheating is a serious risk.
> >
> > Lou
> So you're exercising to the point of sweating is a serious risk? You seem to be courting with death.