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 by: Pentcho Valev - Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:40 UTC

"Doppler effect -- when an observer moves toward a stationary source" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE

"Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength [...] but a different frequency [...] to that seen by the stationary observer." http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node41.html

"The wavelength is staying the same in this case." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHepfIIsKcE

"The motion of an observer does not alter the wavelength. The increase in frequency is a result of the observer encountering more wavelengths in a given time." http://a-levelphysicstutor.com/wav-doppler.php

Accordingly, if the speed of the observer relative to the light source is v, the speed of the light relative to the observer is c'=c+v, in accordance with the formula

(frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

The speed of light is variable as per Newton, not constant as per Einstein.

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Pentcho Valev wrote:

> "Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength
> [...] but a different frequency [...] to that seen by the stationary
> observer."
> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node41.html

sure, but amazing what the Putina was doing with east uKronazia. A country
stretching from europe to Japan, is letting the people giving them water
and food, exposed to uKronazis to be killed, which looks like treason. You
can't retreat such things.

celebrating the birth of Mockba 800 years or so, with 12,000 salves of
howitzers, ammunition used evt on the front, holding sports and boxing
events etc, while you retreat from the front, how many times now. I can't
even believe is true. Hopefully the *_Communist_Party_* will take the
govern from this Putina *_young_global_leader_* in apparently in charge of
the oligarch capitalist eugenic "great_reset".

certainly, only the communism can save the world, and Russia.

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 by: Volney - Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:42 UTC

On 9/15/2022 3:46 PM, Chau Barbieri wrote:
> Pentcho Valev wrote:
>
>> "Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength
>> [...] but a different frequency [...] to that seen by the stationary
>> observer."
>> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node41.html
>
> sure, but amazing what the Putina was doing with east uKronazia.

Who is "Putina"? Putin's daughter? Is he trying to establish a dynasty
in 卐Ru⚑︎⚑︎ia卐?
>
> celebrating the birth of Mockba 800 years or so, with 12,000 salves of
> howitzers, ammunition used evt on the front, holding sports and boxing
> events etc,

Thank the Ukrainians for the founding of Moscow! Kyiv was already a city
when Moscow was still a swamp. The Ukrainians civilized the Russians. Or
at least they tried, now the 卐Ru⚑︎⚑︎ians卐 have reverted to being
uncivilized warlords.

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 by: Pentcho Valev - Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:55 UTC

Richard Feynman: "I want to emphasize that light comes in this form - particles. It is very important to know that light behaves like particles, especially for those of you who have gone to school, where you probably learned something about light behaving like waves. I'm telling you the way it does behave - like particles. You might say that it's just the photomultiplier that detects light as particles, but no, every instrument that has been designed to be sensitive enough to detect weak light has always ended up discovering the same thing: light is made of particles." https://www.amazon.com/QED-Strange-Theory-Light-Matter/dp/0691024170

If Feynman is correct, the wave-based concept of variation of the wavelength of light (illustration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJTRXCMU6o&t=77s) is unrealistic. It makes sense to advance the following

Axiom: The wavelength of light is invariable.

This axiom, combined with the formula (frequency)=(speed of light)/(wavelength), produces the following corollaries:

Corollary 1: Any frequency shift is caused by a proportional speed-of-light shift.

Corollary 2: If the emitter and the observer (receiver) travel towards each other with relative speed v, the speed of light as measured by the observer is c' = c+v, as per Newton's theory.

Corollary 3: Spacetime and gravitational waves (ripples in spacetime) don't exist.

Corollary 4: Light falls in a gravitational field with the same acceleration as ordinary falling bodies - near Earth's surface the accelerations of falling photons is g = 9.8 m/s^2. Accordingly, there is no gravitational time dilation.

Corollary 5: The Hubble redshift is due to light slowing down as it travels through vacuum. The universe is not expanding.

Corollary 6: The dark sky in the Olbers' paradox can be explained by the fact that very slow light coming from very distant sources (known as CMB) is invisible.

More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

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 by: Pentcho Valev - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:11 UTC

Physicists would not readily accept the axiom "The wavelength of light is invariable":

Stephen Hawking, "A Brief History of Time", Chapter 3: "Now imagine a source of light at a constant distance from us, such as a star, emitting waves of light at a constant wavelength. Obviously the wavelength of the waves we receive will be the same as the wavelength at which they are emitted (the gravitational field of the galaxy will not be large enough to have a significant effect). Suppose now that the source starts moving toward us. When the source emits the next wave crest it will be nearer to us, so the distance between wave crests will be smaller than when the star was stationary." http://www.fisica.net/relatividade/stephen_hawking_a_brief_history_of_time.pdf

Hawking is not alone - all physicists believe that the wavelength of light varies with the speed of the emitter. Here is an animation: https://youtu.be/3mJTRXCMU6o?t=77

Variable wavelength of light contradicts the principle of relativity. If the wavelength varied, the emitter could regularly measure the (varying) wavelength inside his spaceship - so he would know his speed without looking outside. If, for instance, measurements inside the spaceship show that the wavelength has decreased, the emitter will conclude that his spaceship is now moving faster than before.

See more: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 23:02 UTC

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:40:58 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> "Doppler effect -- when an observer moves toward a stationary source" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
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> "Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength [...] but a different frequency [...] to that seen by the stationary observer." http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node41.html
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> "The wavelength is staying the same in this case." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHepfIIsKcE
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> "The motion of an observer does not alter the wavelength. The increase in frequency is a result of the observer encountering more wavelengths in a given time." http://a-levelphysicstutor.com/wav-doppler.php
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> Accordingly, if the speed of the observer relative to the light source is v, the speed of the light relative to the observer is c'=c+v, in accordance with the formula
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> (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
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> The speed of light is variable as per Newton, not constant as per Einstein.
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> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>
> Pentcho Valev

There is a fundamental wavelength of light or EM wave energy that can be red shifted by gravity...
and can be blue shifted in Pound Rebka...

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: Tom Roberts - Sun, 18 Sep 2022 02:22 UTC

On 9/16/22 4:11 PM, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> Physicists would not readily accept the axiom "The wavelength of light is invariable":

Of course not, because it is falsified in many ways by many experiments.

The goal of physics is to model the world, not to pander to your deluded
fantasies.

> [... further nonsense omitted]

Tom Roberts

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Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 9/16/22 4:11 PM, Pentcho Valev wrote:
>> Physicists would not readily accept the axiom "The wavelength of light
>> is invariable":
>
> Of course not, because it is falsified in many ways by many experiments.

how does the firmly established emitted wavelength knows it has to change,
making the c stay constant?

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sun, 18 Sep 2022 21:27 UTC

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 9:01:38 AM UTC-7, Ibes Confortola wrote:
> Tom Roberts wrote:
>
> > On 9/16/22 4:11 PM, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> >> Physicists would not readily accept the axiom "The wavelength of light
> >> is invariable":
> >
> > Of course not, because it is falsified in many ways by many experiments.
> how does the firmly established emitted wavelength knows it has to change,
> making the c stay constant?

Light's wave energy can change where moving toward it.
There are gravitational and cosmological wavelength red shifts as well.

Mitchell Raemsch

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