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 by: Commander Kinsey - Thu, 5 May 2022 18:18 UTC

On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:53:33 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>>>
>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
>>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>>
>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?
>
> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
> that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
> they get to set the price.

Of course it's victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."

>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>>>
>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
>>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
>>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
>>> online, and make my own media to install from.
>>
>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>
> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did.

Because very few people are as stupid as you.

> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
> though it's so cheap.

Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>>>>
>>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
>>>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>>>
>>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?
>>
>> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
>> that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
>> they get to set the price.
>
>Of course it's victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."

Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.

>>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>>>>
>>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
>>>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
>>>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
>>>> online, and make my own media to install from.
>>>
>>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>>
>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did.
>
>Because very few people are as stupid as you.

And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter
stupidity.

>> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>> though it's so cheap.
>
>Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".

Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.

--
Joel Crump

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:43:08 UTC+1, Joel wrote:
> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
> >>>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
> >>>
> >>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?
> >>
> >> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
> >> that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
> >> they get to set the price.
> >
> >Of course it's victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."
> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
> But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.
> >>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
> >>>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
> >>>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
> >>>> online, and make my own media to install from.
> >>>
> >>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
> >>
> >> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did.
> >
> >Because very few people are as stupid as you.
> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter
> stupidity.
> >> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
> >> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
> >> though it's so cheap.
> >
> >Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.
>

Its not quite that simple. In the EU it is perfectly legal to use a software license
that is no longer being used by the original purchaser. For example, if Windows
was supplied with a PC that has been scrapped, then that Windows license can be
sold to somebody else who is entitled to use it on another machine.
Microsoft don't like it, which is why they ask you nicely not to do it.
In the UK it is probably still legal, because all EU law became incorporated into
UK law after Brexit unless specifically changed.
I have no idea about the situation in the USA.
John

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John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:43:08 UTC+1, Joel wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate
>> >>>>> Windows, I'd use Linux.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your
>> >>>> pirated copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd
>> >>> still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I
>> >>> use Windows for free?
>> >>
>> >> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization
>> >> to think that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their
>> >> intellectual property, they get to set the price.
>> >
>> >Of course it's victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a
>> >calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still
>> >get no money form me."
>> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to
>> Linux. But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless
>> warezer.
>> >>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is
>> >>>> absolutely a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved
>> >>>> about $50 by getting the OEM version, but it was simpler to
>> >>>> just buy the retail product key online, and make my own
>> >>>> media to install from.
>> >>>
>> >>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies
>> >>> sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>> >>
>> >> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did.
>> >
>> >Because very few people are as stupid as you.
>> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter
>> stupidity.
>> >> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold
>> >> product keys from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable
>> >> with that, even though it's so cheap.
>> >
>> >Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of
>> >those from (for building machines for others) was told by
>> >Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
>> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.
>>
>
> Its not quite that simple. In the EU it is perfectly legal to use
> a software license that is no longer being used by the original
> purchaser. For example, if Windows was supplied with a PC that
> has been scrapped, then that Windows license can be sold to
> somebody else who is entitled to use it on another machine.
> Microsoft don't like it, which is why they ask you nicely not to
> do it. In the UK it is probably still legal, because all EU law
> became incorporated into UK law after Brexit unless specifically
> changed. I have no idea about the situation in the USA.
> John
>

Very doubtful. Windows license is tied to the machine it is sold
with. AND it will not operate on other hardware without illegal
manipulations. You may not like it, but you are not correct.What you
have no idea about is how an OS can be tied to the serialization of
the machine it is installed onto.

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On Thu, 05 May 2022 22:41:46 +0100, John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:43:08 UTC+1, Joel wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
>> >>>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?
>> >>
>> >> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
>> >> that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
>> >> they get to set the price.
>> >
>> >Of course it's victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."
>> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
>> But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.
>> >>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
>> >>>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
>> >>>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
>> >>>> online, and make my own media to install from.
>> >>>
>> >>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>> >>
>> >> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did.
>> >
>> >Because very few people are as stupid as you.
>> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter
>> stupidity.
>> >> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>> >> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>> >> though it's so cheap.
>> >
>> >Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
>> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.
>>
>
> Its not quite that simple. In the EU it is perfectly legal to use a software license
> that is no longer being used by the original purchaser. For example, if Windows
> was supplied with a PC that has been scrapped, then that Windows license can be
> sold to somebody else who is entitled to use it on another machine.
> Microsoft don't like it, which is why they ask you nicely not to do it.
> In the UK it is probably still legal, because all EU law became incorporated into
> UK law after Brexit unless specifically changed.
> I have no idea about the situation in the USA.

Why would that not be legal anywhere?!

Ah hang on.... is this the same as Tesla getting away with saying the extra they switched on in your car, which you then sold to me, has to be paid for again? American law is fucked up.

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On Thu, 05 May 2022 19:43:01 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
>>>>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>>>>
>>>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?
>>>
>>> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
>>> that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
>>> they get to set the price.
>>
>> Of course it's victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."
>
> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
> But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.

I've already explained to you that switching to Linux wouldn't profit MS, so why should I do it?

>>>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
>>>>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
>>>>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
>>>>> online, and make my own media to install from.
>>>>
>>>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>>>
>>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did.
>>
>> Because very few people are as stupid as you.
>
> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter stupidity.

Honourable. And yes it's stupid to do something that costs you money.

>>> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>>> though it's so cheap.
>>
>> Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
>
> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.

Since the shop was not charged, it was just MS throwing it's weight around.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>> Of course it's [pirating Windows] victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."
>>
>> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
>> But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.
>
>I've already explained to you that switching to Linux wouldn't profit MS, so why should I do it?

Because that would be the right thing to do, if you don't want to pay
for software.

>>>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did [pay the retail price for Windows].
>>>
>>> Because very few people are as stupid as you.
>>
>> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter stupidity.
>
>Honourable. And yes it's stupid to do something that costs you money.

Nope, it's being honest.

>>>> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>>>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>>>> though it's so cheap.
>>>
>>> Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
>>
>> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.
>
>Since the shop was not charged, it was just MS throwing it's weight around.

Sure, but I'd still rather avoid such a scene.

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 13:34:22 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I don't want an apology, really - what I want is for the Commander to
>>>>> acknowledge that there is something wrong with what he's doing.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you acknowledge that you deliberately broke the law and only stopped because you realised MS could catch you out.
>>>
>>> I was wrong in thinking it would be OK to install one copy on two
>>> computers. I have not been unclear about that. I learned from it.
>>
>> You don't need to learn stealing is wrong. I don't care if I steal. A lot of people say it's wrong. But you don't make any sense. You once did it and now you don't. Are you a bad guy or not? And don't give me the I saw god and changed my ways bullshit.
>
> At the time I attempted to do this, I didn't think of it as stealing
> or piracy - I was wrong. I admitted that multiple times. I don't
> know why you aren't hearing that.

Same reason you didn't? Practise what you preach you crazy religious nut.

>>>> And also admit that you're rubbish at piracy because you didn't get away with it and I did.
>>>
>>> Oh, yes, I definitely admit being bad at piracy, because I don't trust
>>> warez. Casual copying isn't quite the same thing, but I also haven't
>>> done that in a long time. But as far as thinking that using warez is
>>> somehow clever, I don't, I think it's risky at best.
>>
>> It's never caused me any harm, so clearly you did it wrong.
>
> No, I simply didn't do it *at all*. Downloading software in that
> manner is *unsafe*. You have no idea what could be embedded in it.

I know exactly what's in it, there are things called virus checkers.

>>>>> I've been hearing the same BS from warezers for decades, and it always
>>>>> seemed ridiculous to me, frankly. I don't understand how someone
>>>>> could think pirating an *operating system* is sensible. The OS has
>>>>> *complete* control of the machine. It's playing with fire.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you don't know what you're doing.
>>>
>>> But this is the point: Microsoft *does* know you pirated it. They're
>>> tolerating it, but you can't claim to have somehow fooled them.
>>
>> In MS's case perhaps, as their theory is to get people using pirated Windows at home and like it, then want to use it at work where they do enforce licensing.... But game and film manufacturers do not tolerate piracy in any way whatsoever. But they can't stop it.
>
> That's an entirely different issue, though - media piracy doesn't have
> *control of your computer*. Software, *especially* an operating
> system, does.

You claim this, yet it's never happened. Probably because two wrongs don't make a right. In civilised countries (that's anywhere except the US), if you broke into my house and I killed you, I would be in the wrong too. In fact you'd be in trouble for breaking and entering, and I'd be in trouble for murder. So MS won't do that.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>> I was wrong in thinking it would be OK to install one copy on two
>>>> computers. I have not been unclear about that. I learned from it.
>>>
>>> You don't need to learn stealing is wrong. I don't care if I steal. A lot of people say it's wrong. But you don't make any sense. You once did it and now you don't. Are you a bad guy or not? And don't give me the I saw god and changed my ways bullshit.
>>
>> At the time I attempted to do this, I didn't think of it as stealing
>> or piracy - I was wrong. I admitted that multiple times. I don't
>> know why you aren't hearing that.
>
>Same reason you didn't? Practise what you preach you crazy religious nut.

That was 20 years ago, man. I did pay for Windows multiple times,
since then. You haven't.

>>>>> And also admit that you're rubbish at piracy because you didn't get away with it and I did.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yes, I definitely admit being bad at piracy, because I don't trust
>>>> warez. Casual copying isn't quite the same thing, but I also haven't
>>>> done that in a long time. But as far as thinking that using warez is
>>>> somehow clever, I don't, I think it's risky at best.
>>>
>>> It's never caused me any harm, so clearly you did it wrong.
>>
>> No, I simply didn't do it *at all*. Downloading software in that
>> manner is *unsafe*. You have no idea what could be embedded in it.
>
>I know exactly what's in it, there are things called virus checkers.

Is that 100% reliable?

>>>> But this is the point: Microsoft *does* know you pirated it. They're
>>>> tolerating it, but you can't claim to have somehow fooled them.
>>>
>>> In MS's case perhaps, as their theory is to get people using pirated Windows at home and like it, then want to use it at work where they do enforce licensing.... But game and film manufacturers do not tolerate piracy in any way whatsoever. But they can't stop it.
>>
>> That's an entirely different issue, though - media piracy doesn't have
>> *control of your computer*. Software, *especially* an operating
>> system, does.
>
>You claim this, yet it's never happened. Probably because two wrongs don't make a right. In civilised countries (that's anywhere except the US), if you broke into my house and I killed you, I would be in the wrong too. In fact you'd be in trouble for breaking and entering, and I'd be in trouble for murder. So MS won't do that.

They want software pirates to use their products, but that could
always change. You have no guarantee of anything.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:03 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 03:10:00 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Of course it's [pirating Windows] victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."
>>>
>>> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
>>> But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.
>>
>> I've already explained to you that switching to Linux wouldn't profit MS, so why should I do it?
>
> Because that would be the right thing to do, if you don't want to pay
> for software.

It doesn't make MS richer. It has no impact on them at all. So what is gained by my switching? Don't tell me god's watching....

>>>>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did [pay the retail price for Windows].
>>>>
>>>> Because very few people are as stupid as you.
>>>
>>> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter stupidity.
>>
>> Honourable. And yes it's stupid to do something that costs you money.
>
> Nope, it's being honest.

Yes, MS is a poor company and all their employees would starve if you didn't buy it. So actually.... you'd be better pirating windows and sending $200 to a worthwhile charity. Why don't you do this? Why don't you save someone's life?

>>>>> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>>>>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>>>>> though it's so cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
>>>
>>> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.
>>
>> Since the shop was not charged, it was just MS throwing it's weight around.
>
> Sure, but I'd still rather avoid such a scene.

Wimp.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 14:31:17 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I was wrong in thinking it would be OK to install one copy on two
>>>>> computers. I have not been unclear about that. I learned from it.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to learn stealing is wrong. I don't care if I steal. A lot of people say it's wrong. But you don't make any sense. You once did it and now you don't. Are you a bad guy or not? And don't give me the I saw god and changed my ways bullshit.
>>>
>>> At the time I attempted to do this, I didn't think of it as stealing
>>> or piracy - I was wrong. I admitted that multiple times. I don't
>>> know why you aren't hearing that.
>>
>> Same reason you didn't? Practise what you preach you crazy religious nut.
>
> That was 20 years ago, man. I did pay for Windows multiple times,
> since then. You haven't.

So did you change since you saw Jesus?

>>>>>> And also admit that you're rubbish at piracy because you didn't get away with it and I did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, yes, I definitely admit being bad at piracy, because I don't trust
>>>>> warez. Casual copying isn't quite the same thing, but I also haven't
>>>>> done that in a long time. But as far as thinking that using warez is
>>>>> somehow clever, I don't, I think it's risky at best.
>>>>
>>>> It's never caused me any harm, so clearly you did it wrong.
>>>
>>> No, I simply didn't do it *at all*. Downloading software in that
>>> manner is *unsafe*. You have no idea what could be embedded in it.
>>
>> I know exactly what's in it, there are things called virus checkers.
>
> Is that 100% reliable?

Enough.

>>>>> But this is the point: Microsoft *does* know you pirated it. They're
>>>>> tolerating it, but you can't claim to have somehow fooled them.
>>>>
>>>> In MS's case perhaps, as their theory is to get people using pirated Windows at home and like it, then want to use it at work where they do enforce licensing.... But game and film manufacturers do not tolerate piracy in any way whatsoever. But they can't stop it.
>>>
>>> That's an entirely different issue, though - media piracy doesn't have
>>> *control of your computer*. Software, *especially* an operating
>>> system, does.
>>
>> You claim this, yet it's never happened. Probably because two wrongs don't make a right. In civilised countries (that's anywhere except the US), if you broke into my house and I killed you, I would be in the wrong too. In fact you'd be in trouble for breaking and entering, and I'd be in trouble for murder. So MS won't do that.
>
> They want software pirates to use their products, but that could
> always change. You have no guarantee of anything.

I know they won't do anything illegal against me.

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