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by: Tom Kunich - Sat, 9 Dec 2023 16:06 UTC

When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!

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by: Lou Holtman - Sat, 9 Dec 2023 17:32 UTC

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!

I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didn’t he started a trade war with China? Ah well. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?

Lou

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by: Tom Kunich - Sat, 9 Dec 2023 20:40 UTC

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!
> I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didn’t he started a trade war with China? Ah well. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?
>
> Lou
Tell me what you know about Trump and where that knowledge came from.

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by: Lou Holtman - Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:14 UTC

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:40:40 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!
> > I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didn’t he started a trade war with China? Ah well. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?
> >
> > Lou
> Tell me what you know about Trump and where that knowledge came from.

From 4 years presidency.

Lou

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by: Tom Kunich - Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:33 UTC

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:40:40 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!
> > > I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didn’t he started a trade war with China? Ah well.. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Tell me what you know about Trump and where that knowledge came from.
> From 4 years presidency.

Things were much better for Europe during his Presidency unless you didn't like his asking Europe to pay their promised share of NATO. Instead you would rather have Biden who blew up the Nordstream pipeline and teaching Germany that relying on windmills for electricity mean that you refrigerator doesn't work. I suggest that you stop watching CNN

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by: John B. - Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:04 UTC

On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 13:14:23 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
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>On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:40:40?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:32:21?AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!
>> > I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didnt he started a trade war with China? Ah well. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?
>> >
>> > Lou
>> Tell me what you know about Trump and where that knowledge came from.
>
>From 4 years presidency.
>
>Lou

From what I read the Trump "embargos" actually ended up causing a loss
of some 245,000 U.S. jobs
https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

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by: Jeff Liebermann - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 06:24 UTC

On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:58:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
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>it is being shipped by DSL

I think you mean DHL. DSL in a modem protocol.
No need to thank me.

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by: AMuzi - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 14:18 UTC

On 12/10/2023 10:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:40:40 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!
>>>> I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didn’t he started a trade war with China? Ah well. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>> Tell me what you know about Trump and where that knowledge came from.
>> From 4 years presidency.
>>
>> Lou
> Lou, case in point: one of the parts I ordered from China went through the customs in 2 hours. The Basso ordered from Germany has been in customs since November 29 and it is being shipped by DSL who supposedly have a contract with customs to move things through rapidly. If you think that Biden is your man then you certainly deserve him. And by the way, why are you getting involved in American politics? Of what possible benefit would you get from that?

That's more probably DHL and they are on strike.
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by: Frank Krygowski - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:25 UTC

On 12/10/2023 11:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
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> Lou, case in point: one of the parts I ordered from China went through the customs in 2 hours.

Customs now time stamps packages incoming and outgoing? Wow!

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by: AMuzi - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:43 UTC

On 12/11/2023 10:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/10/2023 11:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Lou, case in point: one of the parts I ordered from China
>> went through the customs in 2 hours.
>
> Customs now time stamps packages incoming and outgoing? Wow!
>

Depending on the delivery service that can sometimes be known.
USPS for example with live auto tracking sends notice of
arrival at US Customs/USPS clearing facility and then
another when it's back in transit.
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by: Tom Kunich - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:46 UTC

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:18:35 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/10/2023 10:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:40:40 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 5:07:00 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> When I said that the Biden administration was putting the brakes on European trade I certainly didn't expect the response I got. Five Germans emailed saying that they were hoping for a Republican victory because they saw exactly this China-centric policy in their own business and the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline has caused Germany endless energy problems. I didn't even know that we had so many Germans monitoring this group!
> >>>> I think I can find 5 Dutchman that are hoping for a Republican victory. If they are thinking that a Republican president will solve their problems I think they are wrong. Mr. Trump is a selfish man. America first or something like that. Didn’t he started a trade war with China? Ah well. Btw, can you forwarde the German Emails?
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou
> >>> Tell me what you know about Trump and where that knowledge came from.
> >> From 4 years presidency.
> >>
> >> Lou
> > Lou, case in point: one of the parts I ordered from China went through the customs in 2 hours. The Basso ordered from Germany has been in customs since November 29 and it is being shipped by DSL who supposedly have a contract with customs to move things through rapidly. If you think that Biden is your man then you certainly deserve him. And by the way, why are you getting involved in American politics? Of what possible benefit would you get from that?
> That's more probably DHL and they are on strike.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That is probably the reason that the Basso is hung up. But other items from Europe are being delayed for long times in customs as well and they are going USPS. Yes you are correct, DHL but wouldn't any European note the misspelling anyway? The point is that China is being given high priority while Europe is not. This means that people are ordering from China to get their goods more rapidly.

While I am no longer doing business through Amazon, apparently Paypal has reviewed my account and sent me a note via MAIL saying that I owe zero. I don't have any intentions of using Paypal again but that note suggests that they are losing a lot of customers because they are allowing phishing to steal from their users.

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by: Tom Kunich - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:48 UTC

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:43:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/11/2023 10:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 12/10/2023 11:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >> Lou, case in point: one of the parts I ordered from China
> >> went through the customs in 2 hours.
> >
> > Customs now time stamps packages incoming and outgoing? Wow!
> >
> Depending on the delivery service that can sometimes be known.
> USPS for example with live auto tracking sends notice of
> arrival at US Customs/USPS clearing facility and then
> another when it's back in transit.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The Seller contacted DHL who said that it is just sitting in customs for no discernable reason.

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by: Frank Krygowski - Mon, 11 Dec 2023 20:21 UTC

On 12/11/2023 11:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:43:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/11/2023 10:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2023 11:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lou, case in point: one of the parts I ordered from China
>>>> went through the customs in 2 hours.
>>>
>>> Customs now time stamps packages incoming and outgoing? Wow!
>>>
>> Depending on the delivery service that can sometimes be known.
>> USPS for example with live auto tracking sends notice of
>> arrival at US Customs/USPS clearing facility and then
>> another when it's back in transit.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> If you have a tracking number it shows arrival and departure from customs on foreign packages. But Frank never using that wouldn't know it.

Well, you're right that I only very seldom buy stuff from overseas. I
tend to get bike equipment from local shops, or sometimes online sources
in America. I think the greatest number of my overseas purchases have
been books.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Subject	Author
Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	Lou Holtman
Re: Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	Lou Holtman
Re: Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	John B.
Re: Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	Jeff Liebermann
Re: Funny thing	AMuzi
Re: Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	Frank Krygowski
Re: Funny thing	AMuzi
Re: Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	Tom Kunich
Re: Funny thing	Frank Krygowski

If you have a procedure with 10 parameters, you probably missed some.

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