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 by: Ricky - Wed, 18 May 2022 21:05 UTC

I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.

I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?

Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Wed, 18 May 2022 21:19 UTC

onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>
> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>
> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>

windows or linux?

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 by: Ricky - Wed, 18 May 2022 21:27 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> >
> > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> >
> > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> >
> windows or linux?

Windows

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Wed, 18 May 2022 21:49 UTC

onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> > onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> > >
> > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> > >
> > windows or linux?
> Windows
>

if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
(or bring bring up the chose application menu)

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 by: Ricky - Wed, 18 May 2022 22:04 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> > > onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> > > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> > > >
> > > windows or linux?
> > Windows
> >
> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)

Is "start" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I'll ask in the Forth group how to run a file.. Thanks

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 by: Mike Coon - Wed, 18 May 2022 22:37 UTC

In article <148d5858-cd8e-484b-9d77-ff0343a26acen@googlegroups.com>,
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com says...
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> > onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> > >
> > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> > >
> > windows or linux?
>
> Windows

Before I retired (10+ years ago) I was testing some HTTP client s/w by
using, IIRC, Microsoft IIS to serve up HTML to it using a freebie
interceptor the name of which I have not yet remembered. It was an
ordinary dictionary word, I think, not invented or acronym...

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 by: Clifford Heath - Thu, 19 May 2022 01:11 UTC

On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>>>>>
>>>> windows or linux?
>>> Windows
>>>
>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>
> Is "start" an actual command?

It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
different version.

It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
whatever is configured for right-click Edit".

There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.

However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

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 by: Ricky - Thu, 19 May 2022 05:22 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> >>>>>
> >>>> windows or linux?
> >>> Windows
> >>>
> >> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
> >> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
> >
> > Is "start" an actual command?
> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
> different version.
>
> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
>
> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
>
> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.

Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol

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 by: Clifford Heath - Thu, 19 May 2022 06:51 UTC

On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> windows or linux?
>>>>> Windows
>>>>>
>>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
>>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>>>
>>> Is "start" an actual command?
>> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
>> different version.
>>
>> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
>> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
>> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
>>
>> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
>>
>> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
>> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
>> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
>> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
>
> Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol

I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
for an example.

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 by: Ricky - Thu, 19 May 2022 07:17 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
> >> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> windows or linux?
> >>>>> Windows
> >>>>>
> >>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
> >>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
> >>>
> >>> Is "start" an actual command?
> >> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
> >> different version.
> >>
> >> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
> >> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
> >> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
> >>
> >> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
> >>
> >> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
> >> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
> >> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
> >> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
> >
> > Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
> I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
> a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
> for an example.

As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C. I'm not using C, so running a command through a Windows call is fine. In fact, I have example code for that, which is excellent. I need to get something going quickly, only a couple of weeks or so to make it useful, then I can guild the lily further.

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 by: Clifford Heath - Thu, 19 May 2022 12:55 UTC

On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>>>> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> windows or linux?
>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
>>>>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>>>>>
>>>>> Is "start" an actual command?
>>>> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
>>>> different version.
>>>>
>>>> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
>>>> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
>>>> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
>>>>
>>>> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
>>>>
>>>> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
>>>> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
>>>> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
>>>> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
>>>
>>> Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
>> I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
>> a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
>> for an example.
>
> As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.

Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That's
pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...

CH.

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On 05/19/2022 12:51 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>>> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
>>>>>>>> provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was
>>>>>>>> originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but
>>>>>>>> also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test
>>>>>>>> program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point
>>>>>>>> to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of
>>>>>>>> the signal to be expected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
>>>>>>>> test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the
>>>>>>>> detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit
>>>>>>>> harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the
>>>>>>>> signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a
>>>>>>>> way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
>>>>>>>> on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware
>>>>>>>> group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> windows or linux?
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>
>>>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it
>>>>> should open filename.html in the default browser
>>>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>>>>
>>>> Is "start" an actual command?
>>> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
>>> different version.
>>>
>>> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
>>> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
>>> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
>>>
>>> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
>>>
>>> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
>>> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
>>> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
>>> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
>>
>> Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run
>> that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I
>> just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in
>> it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number
>> of new command line programs running. lol
>
> I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
> a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
> for an example.
>
> Clifford Heath

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/processthreadsapi/

There are a number of functions to create processes or threads and
manage them.

At one time you could use the IE COM interface to control it. I haven't
used Forth in years but it was fairly easy in Pytnon. Chrome can be
automated with the new WebDriver but it's more complex.

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
> >> On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
> >>>> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >>>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >>>>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> windows or linux?
> >>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
> >>>>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is "start" an actual command?
> >>>> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
> >>>> different version.
> >>>>
> >>>> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
> >>>> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
> >>>> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
> >>>>
> >>>> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
> >>>> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
> >>>> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
> >>>> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
> >> I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
> >> a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
> >> for an example.
> >
> > As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.
> Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
> especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That's
> pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...

Ok, what would be an example of that? Do you know of any code that does that? I don't.

Forth does many, many things. I am limited to using the things I know of and know how to use. The basic language is a basic language. It is up to the designer of the Forth implementation to provide the various bells and whistles.

Do you have documentation for the API you are talking about? I have no problem with using a CMD approach. None, in fact, it can be very advantageous to separate the testing, the generation of the HTML and the display of the HTML.

That's my thinking anyway. If you have more information, I'm happy to listen.

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> skrev Ricky:
>> lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> > skrev Ricky:
>> > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a
>> > > means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for
>> > > it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would
>> > > provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for
>> > > each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
>> > > probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>> > >
>> > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test
>> > > program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
>> > > instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring
>> > > up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
>> > > console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser
>> > > page to display this?
>> > >
>> > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the
>> > > same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might
>> > > not be the best place to ask.
>> > >
>> > windows or linux?
>> Windows
>>
>
> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should
> open filename.html in the default browser
> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" "C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\ux\resources\de\license.html"

Danke,

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 by: Clifford Heath - Fri, 20 May 2022 02:50 UTC

On 20/5/22 1:18 am, Ricky wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>>>> On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>>>>>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> windows or linux?
>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should open filename.html in the default browser
>>>>>>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is "start" an actual command?
>>>>>> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
>>>>>> different version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
>>>>>> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
>>>>>> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
>>>>>> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
>>>>>> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
>>>>>> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of new command line programs running. lol
>>>> I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
>>>> a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
>>>> for an example.
>>>
>>> As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.
>> Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
>> especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That's
>> pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...
>
> Ok, what would be an example of that? Do you know of any code that does that? I don't.
>
> Forth does many, many things. I am limited to using the things I know of and know how to use. The basic language is a basic language. It is up to the designer of the Forth implementation to provide the various bells and whistles.
>
> Do you have documentation for the API you are talking about? I have no problem with using a CMD approach. None, in fact, it can be very advantageous to separate the testing, the generation of the HTML and the display of the HTML.
>
> That's my thinking anyway. If you have more information, I'm happy to listen.
>

This was the API I was thinking of:
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/shellapi/nf-shellapi-shellexecutea>

It's defined in shell32.dll. I would expect that most scripting
languages could be told to open that DLL, find that named entry point,
and construct a function call frame using the required parameters (two
integers, four C strings). This kind of dynamic loading and function
call is pretty basic stuff. Sometimes it's implemented using an "FFI"
layer - see if your Forth supports FFI. There are "interesting" APIs
that are hard to support using FFI, but this one is very simple.

Another way would be if you can add a small C extension to define a
ShellExecute word for your Forth.

Clifford Heath.

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 by: Clifford Heath - Fri, 20 May 2022 02:52 UTC

On 20/5/22 2:07 am, Don wrote:
> Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>> skrev Ricky:
>>> lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>>> skrev Ricky:
>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a
>>>>> means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for
>>>>> it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would
>>>>> provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for
>>>>> each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
>>>>> probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test
>>>>> program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
>>>>> instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring
>>>>> up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
>>>>> console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser
>>>>> page to display this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the
>>>>> same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might
>>>>> not be the best place to ask.
>>>>>
>>>> windows or linux?
>>> Windows
>>>
>>
>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it should
>> open filename.html in the default browser
>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>
> "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" "C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\ux\resources\de\license.html"

That uses Edge, not the users default browser. You need to use
ShellExecute to get the default browser.

CH

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On 2022-05-18, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>
> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>
> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.

yeah, in windows it's something like

system('start filename.htm');

in linux

system('xdg-open filename.html')

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In article <d93b170a-c892-4682-a261-8b116333b8d2n@googlegroups.com>,
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> > > onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>> > > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
>provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
>planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
>would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
>for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
>probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
>test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
>instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
>the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
>console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser
>page to display this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
>on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this
>might not be the best place to ask.
>> > > >
>> > > windows or linux?
>> > Windows
>> >
>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it
>should open filename.html in the default browser
>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>
>Is "start" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like
>the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the
>default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I'll ask in the Forth group how
>to run a file. Thanks

In MS-Windows.
If I associate a .txt file with a particular editor,
the editor is opened with this file if I state the name of the text
file on the command prompt.
I would expect the same happens if you associate a .html file with
a browser.

(A unix shell could do the same, if a html is marked executable,
they could start the preferred mime association. There is no
such shell as far as I know.)

Caveat, the last MS-Windows I use is Windows XP. Maybe it has changed
in the meantime.

>
>--
>
>Rick C.
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In article <773144ee-10a6-4fc0-8812-8df6ccd54436n@googlegroups.com>,
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 19/5/22 5:17 pm, Ricky wrote:
>> > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:51:18 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> >> On 19/5/22 3:22 pm, Ricky wrote:
>> >>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:11:41 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
>> >>>> On 19/5/22 8:04 am, Ricky wrote:
>> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> >>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4,
>lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>> >>>>>>>>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
>provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
>planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
>would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
>for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
>probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in.
>The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
>instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
>the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
>console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser
>page to display this?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a
>browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware
>group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> windows or linux?
>> >>>>>>> Windows
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html"
>it should open filename.html in the default browser
>> >>>>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is "start" an actual command?
>> >>>> It is, but I think it is a built-in of CMD.EXE. Powershell may have a
>> >>>> different version.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It looks up the default double-click action in the registry for that
>> >>>> file type. You can give it options to simulate other actions, like "do
>> >>>> whatever is configured for right-click Edit".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There is also a C API that does the same thing for you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, because of default security settings of some browsers, starting
>> >>>> a file.html won't necessarily load or run the associated Javascript
>> >>>> files. This depends on the browser and operating system. Test it, but if
>> >>>> you have a problem you might need to incorporate a tiny HTTP server.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, I looked it up and START does exactly what I want. I can run
>that using CMD which I'm pretty sure I can invoke from my program. I
>just need to make sure I don't create any infinite loops with that in
>it! lol I'd hate to have my computer crash from an infinite number of
>new command line programs running. lol
>> >> I believe there's an API that does the same thing without having to make
>> >> a new process or execute CMD, but I'd have to go searching some old code
>> >> for an example.
>> >
>> > As soon as you say API, I assume you are talking about something in C.
>> Surely your Forth can load a DLL and call any function inside it,
>> especially if it only take a single string as an parameter? That's
>> pretty basic stuff I would expect from any scripting language...
>
>Ok, what would be an example of that? Do you know of any code that does
>that? I don't.
>
>Forth does many, many things. I am limited to using the things I know
>of and know how to use. The basic language is a basic language. It is
>up to the designer of the Forth implementation to provide the various
>bells and whistles.
>
>Do you have documentation for the API you are talking about? I have no
>problem with using a CMD approach. None, in fact, it can be very
>advantageous to separate the testing, the generation of the HTML and the
>display of the HTML.
>
>That's my thinking anyway. If you have more information, I'm happy to listen.

Check out ciforth. It runs any subroutine on any dll that is present
on your machine.
https://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/wina.html
You can inspect the example of midi events. (openmidi sendmidi closemidi).
If you are not happy with ciforth, you can even copy the source implementation
for win32forth.
Read the sections DLL and DLL-calls-internal in
https://github.com/albertvanderhorst/ciforth/wiki

Documentation on this level about dll's is hard to come by, however.
There are datastructures defined in C, that must be passed around.

>
>--
>
>Rick C.

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On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-4, none albert wrote:
> In article <d93b170a-c892-4682...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >> > > onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
> >> > > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
> >provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
> >planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
> >would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
> >for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
> >probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
> >test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
> >instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
> >the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
> >console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser
> >page to display this?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
> >on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this
> >might not be the best place to ask.
> >> > > >
> >> > > windows or linux?
> >> > Windows
> >> >
> >> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it
> >should open filename.html in the default browser
> >> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
> >
> >Is "start" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like
> >the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the
> >default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I'll ask in the Forth group how
> >to run a file. Thanks
> In MS-Windows.
> If I associate a .txt file with a particular editor,
> the editor is opened with this file if I state the name of the text
> file on the command prompt.
> I would expect the same happens if you associate a .html file with
> a browser.
>
> (A unix shell could do the same, if a html is marked executable,
> they could start the preferred mime association. There is no
> such shell as far as I know.)
>
> Caveat, the last MS-Windows I use is Windows XP. Maybe it has changed
> in the meantime.

Thanks for the reply. I've decided it is not so important to link the debug instructions with the test program. The debug process for anything in the audio paths is pretty much the same, so one large HTML file with lots of images of schematic and PWB layouts showing where to probe.

I still have the rest of the board (purely digital) to do, so that is next. Two files that cover pretty much anything that goes wrong.

Thanks for the advice.

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On 2022-05-30, albert@cherry.(none) (albert) <albert@cherry> wrote:
> In article <d93b170a-c892-4682-a261-8b116333b8d2n@googlegroups.com>,
> Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:49:53 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>> onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.27.40 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:19:46 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>>> > > onsdag den 18. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.33 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
>>> > > > I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would
>>provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally
>>planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
>>would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular,
>>for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for
>>probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The
>>test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
>>instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up
>>the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the
>>console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser
>>page to display this?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser
>>on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this
>>might not be the best place to ask.
>>> > > >
>>> > > windows or linux?
>>> > Windows
>>> >
>>> if you can execute a system command like "start filename.html" it
>>should open filename.html in the default browser
>>> (or bring bring up the chose application menu)
>>
>>Is "start" an actual command? I think I understand what you mean. Like
>>the file was double clicked in Windows, it would be opened by the
>>default browser... even Microsoft Edge. I'll ask in the Forth group how
>>to run a file. Thanks
>
> In MS-Windows.
> If I associate a .txt file with a particular editor,
> the editor is opened with this file if I state the name of the text
> file on the command prompt.
> I would expect the same happens if you associate a .html file with
> a browser.
>
> (A unix shell could do the same, if a html is marked executable,
> they could start the preferred mime association. There is no
> such shell as far as I know.)

Ah, no. executable launching is mediated by the operating system
(execve() system call), not by a shell, and it does not use mime
to pick the interpreter (if one is needed).

OTOH xdg-open uses mime.

--
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In article <t74i8j$snl$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org>,
Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
>On 2022-05-30, albert@cherry.(none) (albert) <albert@cherry> wrote:
>> In MS-Windows.
>> If I associate a .txt file with a particular editor,
>> the editor is opened with this file if I state the name of the text
>> file on the command prompt.
>> I would expect the same happens if you associate a .html file with
>> a browser.
>>
>> (A unix shell could do the same, if a html is marked executable,
>> they could start the preferred mime association. There is no
>> such shell as far as I know.)
>
>Ah, no. executable launching is mediated by the operating system
>(execve() system call), not by a shell, and it does not use mime
>to pick the interpreter (if one is needed).

Sure? A shell passes a file to the execve shell.
It would be small potatoes to inspect the first few characters
for '#!' and '.ELF' and then go by the extension instead
using mime, provided the file is marked executable.

>
>OTOH xdg-open uses mime.

I used
mime x.pdf
but an inconvenient menu appears.

xdg-open x.pdf
opens the files without hassle.
Thanks.

Unfortunately
firefox lina.html#DROP
opens the doc file at the subject DROP.
Via xdg-open it doesn't succeed.
[It can be argued that the # is an awful hack that has no
place in an command shell.]

>--
> Jasen.

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 by: Joerg - Mon, 13 Jun 2022 19:58 UTC

On 5/18/22 2:05 PM, Ricky wrote:
> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be expected.
>
> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to a browser page to display this?
>
> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group, this might not be the best place to ask.
>

In the 90's we did this. Designed an ultrasound machine that ran on a PC
and if the user needed any read-up it came up as HTML in the browser. At
first the OS was QNX and later this got ported to Windows NT4.0. I don't
know about modern Windows anymore because personally I switched to
Linux. It's the same there, lots of software and HW-control routines
open the help files in the broweer upon request, as HTML.

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 by: Jeroen Belleman - Mon, 13 Jun 2022 21:40 UTC

On 2022-06-13 21:58, Joerg wrote:
> On 5/18/22 2:05 PM, Ricky wrote:
>> I need to prepare some sort of technical manual that would provide
>> a means of debugging a particular board. I was originally planning
>> for it to contain a theory of operation, but also a guide that
>> would provide detailed debug info for the test program. In
>> particular, for each type of failure, it would point to various
>> test points for probing and indicate the nature of the signal to be
>> expected.
>>
>> I'm thinking of the medium that this would be easiest in. The test
>> program is in Forth on a PC and could incorporate the detailed
>> instructions and the decision tree. It might be a bit harder to
>> bring up the images showing where to probe and the signals expected
>> in the console. But I'm wondering if there's a way to send HTML to
>> a browser page to display this?
>>
>> Anyone familiar with one application sending HTML to a browser on
>> the same machine? I guess this being more of a hardware group,
>> this might not be the best place to ask.
>>
>
> In the 90's we did this. Designed an ultrasound machine that ran on a
> PC and if the user needed any read-up it came up as HTML in the
> browser. At first the OS was QNX and later this got ported to Windows
> NT4.0. I don't know about modern Windows anymore because personally I
> switched to Linux. It's the same there, lots of software and
> HW-control routines open the help files in the broweer upon request,
> as HTML.
>

It's simple enough: Just refer your browser to an URL like
file:///path/to/desired/html/file.

Jeroen Belleman

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