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Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
😱😱😱

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:

> Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?

Well, maybe it's a really tiny star.

John Savard

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:39:37 PM UTC-8, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>
> > Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
> Well, maybe it's a really tiny star.
>
> John Savard

Tiny-tiny?
Then how can be seen?
😯

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:16:42 PM UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
> https://news.binodon24live.com/nasa-has-discovered-a-water-planet-100-million-light-years-away-from-earth-that-completes-an-orbit-of-its-star-every-11-days/
>
> Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
> 😱😱😱

Show us your math....

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:16:40 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>https://news.binodon24live.com/nasa-has-discovered-a-water-planet-100-million-light-years-away-from-earth-that-completes-an-orbit-of-its-star-every-11-days/
>
>Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
>???

It's orbiting an M4 dwarf, 3185 K. Puts the temperature at the planet
around 50 C. It's only 100 ly away, so not hard to detect even with a
very small aperture.

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:28:17 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:16:40 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
> >https://news.binodon24live.com/nasa-has-discovered-a-water-planet-100-million-light-years-away-from-earth-that-completes-an-orbit-of-its-star-every-11-days/
> >
> >Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
> >???
>
> It's orbiting an M4 dwarf, 3185 K. Puts the temperature at the planet
> around 50 C. It's only 100 ly away, so not hard to detect even with a
> very small aperture.

How small aperture?
4"?
🙄😯

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:28:17 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:16:40 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
> >https://news.binodon24live.com/nasa-has-discovered-a-water-planet-100-million-light-years-away-from-earth-that-completes-an-orbit-of-its-star-every-11-days/
> >
> >Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
> >???
>
> It's orbiting an M4 dwarf, 3185 K. Puts the temperature at the planet
> around 50 C. It's only 100 ly away, so not hard to detect even with a
> very small aperture.

Only 100 ly?
>>It would take roughly 1,736,809 years for humans to travel 100 light years away from our solar system.
This would be achieved using one of the fastest space crafts ever developed, the Voyager 1 space probe, travelling at its maximum velocity of 62,140 kph.<<

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 22:17:29 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:28:17?PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:16:40 -0800 (PST),
>> wrote:
>> >https://news.binodon24live.com/nasa-has-discovered-a-water-planet-100-million-light-years-away-from-earth-that-completes-an-orbit-of-its-star-every-11-days/
>> >
>> >Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
>> >???
>>
>> It's orbiting an M4 dwarf, 3185 K. Puts the temperature at the planet
>> around 50 C. It's only 100 ly away, so not hard to detect even with a
>> very small aperture.
>
>How small aperture?
>4"?

Yes. In the red/near-IR region the cameras operate, the star has a
magnitude of about 11. That requires only a few second exposure with a
4" aperture and a properly matched detector.

On 10/03/2023 03:39, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>
>> Planet has 11 days orbit around a star and has water?
>
> Well, maybe it's a really tiny star.

A low mass star - physical size tend to be fairly similar to our sun
since it has a much weaker gravitational field and is a lot dimmer.

Modest mass main sequence stars tend to be about the same size give or
take 10% unless they are very massive indeed. Weaker surface gravity and
less but zone inside them mean that most stars end up with a fairly
similar diameter but a lifetime determined by how much mass.

Dim stars burn slowly and faintly for a very long time, whereas super
massive stars burn very brightly for a short time.

In this case it is an M class star about 2000K surface temperature and
only a bit smaller in diameter than our sun ~10% smaller. So the
goldilocks zone will be considerably nearer to it than for our sun.

Ball park our sun is 6000K and the red dwarf 3000K

Incident power ~T^4 so solar heating is 1/2^4 ~ 1/16

The exo planet is ~0.061 AU from the star so it is plausibly sat in the
zone where liquid water and even ice at the poles could well exist.

https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/exoplanet-catalog/8563/toi-1452-b/

It was observed by transit measurements across the star's photosphere so
they may be able to detect the planetary atmosphere spectroscopically.

--
Martin Brown

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:58:14 PM UTC-7, StarDust quoted, in part:

> It would take roughly 1,736,809 years for humans to
> travel 100 light years away from our solar system.
> This would be achieved using one of the fastest space
> crafts ever developed, the Voyager 1 space probe, travelling
> at its maximum velocity of 62,140 kph.

The Voyager space probe wasn't intended or designed for
interstellar travel, it was designed to explore the outer solar
system.

If we ever do design ships intended to travel to other solar
systems, they would likely be much faster than the Voyager
1 space probe.

They would still take a long time, though. From the best
information I've read, 1% of the speed of light is about the
best we could manage until technologies as yet unknown
were invented to protect the spaceship from the interstellar
medium at such high speeds.

So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
years, rather than 1,700,000 years.

Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.

John Savard

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
>on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
>the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
>years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
>
>Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
>could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
>be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.

I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
existed or knew how to receive its information.

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
> >
> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
> existed or knew how to receive its information.

You are full of all kinds of crud today...

There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.

Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:39:40 -0800 (PST), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48?PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
>> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
>> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
>> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
>> >
>> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
>> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
>> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
>> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
>> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
>> existed or knew how to receive its information.
>
>You are full of all kinds of crud today...
>
>There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.
>
>Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.

Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:42:57 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:39:40 -0800 (PST), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48?PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
> >> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
> >> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
> >> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
> >> >
> >> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
> >> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
> >> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
> >> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
> >> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
> >> existed or knew how to receive its information.
> >
> >You are full of all kinds of crud today...
> >
> >There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.
> >
> >Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.
> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?

NASA is unlikely to launch an interstellar probe anytime soon, so your question is entirely nonsensical. The organization that would send out such a probe does not need to be the same one that receives the results hundreds of years later.

On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:42:57?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:39:40 -0800 (PST), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48?PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
>> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
>> >> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
>> >> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
>> >> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
>> >> >
>> >> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
>> >> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
>> >> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
>> >> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
>> >> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
>> >> existed or knew how to receive its information.
>> >
>> >You are full of all kinds of crud today...
>> >
>> >There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.
>> >
>> >Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.
>> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
>> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?
>
>NASA is unlikely to launch an interstellar probe anytime soon, so your question is entirely nonsensical. The organization that would send out such a probe does not need to be the same one that receives the results hundreds of years later.

NASA was a rhetorical example. The point is, we have no organizations
that are likely to be here in a few hundred years.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:43:09 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:42:57?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:39:40 -0800 (PST), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48?PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> >> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
> >> >> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
> >> >> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
> >> >> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
> >> >> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
> >> >> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
> >> >> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
> >> >> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
> >> >> existed or knew how to receive its information.
> >> >
> >> >You are full of all kinds of crud today...
> >> >
> >> >There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.
> >> >
> >> >Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.
> >> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
> >> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?
> >
> >NASA is unlikely to launch an interstellar probe anytime soon, so your question is entirely nonsensical. The organization that would send out such a probe does not need to be the same one that receives the results hundreds of years later.
> NASA was a rhetorical example. The point is, we have no organizations
> that are likely to be here in a few hundred years.

You have no evidence to support such a ridiculous assertion.

Whereas, I gave examples of several organizations that have been around for a while and that will continue to be around.

On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 08:07:48 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:43:09?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:42:57?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:39:40 -0800 (PST), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48?PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
>> >> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
>> >> >> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
>> >> >> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
>> >> >> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
>> >> >> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
>> >> >> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
>> >> >> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
>> >> >> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
>> >> >> existed or knew how to receive its information.
>> >> >
>> >> >You are full of all kinds of crud today...
>> >> >
>> >> >There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.
>> >> >
>> >> >Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.
>> >> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
>> >> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?
>> >
>> >NASA is unlikely to launch an interstellar probe anytime soon, so your question is entirely nonsensical. The organization that would send out such a probe does not need to be the same one that receives the results hundreds of years later.
>> NASA was a rhetorical example. The point is, we have no organizations
>> that are likely to be here in a few hundred years.
>
>You have no evidence to support such a ridiculous assertion.
>
>Whereas, I gave examples of several organizations that have been around for a while and that will continue to be around.

They are organizations based on foolish ideas and controlling people.
Not advancing knowledge and managing high technology. We are on the
edge now of ecological collapse, which is likely to result in the
collapse of our civilizations, and that will certainly take with it
the sort of organizations that could manage a several hundred year
high tech space project!

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 8:42:57 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?

Maybe someone in Brazil will know the radio frequencies to use?

More importantly, though, it clearly is very much in the interest of
people living in the developed world not to allow it to collapse. So
I would expect some effort to be made to avoid that.

Of course, pessimism is possible. Trump, or someone like him, could
be elected in 2024. Unchecked global warming could eventually have
consequences that affect the developed world seriously, and these
might result not in a reaction against the political forces responsible
for causing it, but instead, seemingly perversely, in the parties that tried
to prevent the disaster being blamed - as they're less appealilng to
irrational people.

And in the U.S., at least, the crazy people own more guns.

However, clearly the people with some sense also have more brains.
They can, therefore, if necessary, start using them to outwit the
other ones tactically. Giving up hope is not a winning strategy,
however realistic it may seem.

John Savard

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 10:05:38 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 8:42:57?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
>> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
>> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?
>
>Maybe someone in Brazil will know the radio frequencies to use?
>
>More importantly, though, it clearly is very much in the interest of
>people living in the developed world not to allow it to collapse. So
>I would expect some effort to be made to avoid that.
>
>Of course, pessimism is possible. Trump, or someone like him, could
>be elected in 2024. Unchecked global warming could eventually have
>consequences that affect the developed world seriously, and these
>might result not in a reaction against the political forces responsible
>for causing it, but instead, seemingly perversely, in the parties that tried
>to prevent the disaster being blamed - as they're less appealilng to
>irrational people.
>
>And in the U.S., at least, the crazy people own more guns.
>
>However, clearly the people with some sense also have more brains.
>They can, therefore, if necessary, start using them to outwit the
>other ones tactically. Giving up hope is not a winning strategy,
>however realistic it may seem.

I don't really care. We had our chance. IMO it is climate change that
will take us down. Don't really see any recovery at this point, and
the collapse of ecosystems will strain our society beyond its ability
to function in the way it does. Dark ages are ahead.

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:24:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> I don't really care. We had our chance. IMO it is climate change that
> will take us down. Don't really see any recovery at this point, and
> the collapse of ecosystems will strain our society beyond its ability
> to function in the way it does. Dark ages are ahead.

The irony. You are not reflecting on how much YOU have contributed to this alleged "collapse," as you call it.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:09:26 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 08:07:48 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:43:09?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 04:20:58 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:42:57?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 11:39:40 -0800 (PST), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:00:48?PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 08:08:24 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> >> >> >> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >So one of those ships with a stockpile of H-bombs to act
> >> >> >> >on a giant pusher plate, only reaching the maximum speed at
> >> >> >> >the halfway point of the journey, would ideally take "only" 20,000
> >> >> >> >years, rather than 1,700,000 years.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Still hardly worth the trip. But with that kind of technology, we
> >> >> >> >could reach Proxima Centauri b in a mere 800 years. We _might_
> >> >> >> >be able to build a spaceship that could last that long.
> >> >> >> I'm skeptical that we can build a civilization that would last that
> >> >> >> long, though. Shame if there were nobody here who remembered the probe
> >> >> >> existed or knew how to receive its information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You are full of all kinds of crud today...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >There are organizations that have been around for a long time even as governments and nations have come and gone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Roman Catholic Church, Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, numerous colleges and universities have staying power and any or all of them could nurture and preserve knowledge of a long-duration space mission and be prepared to receive the results sent back to Earth.
> >> >> Organizations are not civilizations. You think NASA will be here after
> >> >> the U.S. collapses in a few years, along with the developed world?
> >> >
> >> >NASA is unlikely to launch an interstellar probe anytime soon, so your question is entirely nonsensical. The organization that would send out such a probe does not need to be the same one that receives the results hundreds of years later.
> >> NASA was a rhetorical example. The point is, we have no organizations
> >> that are likely to be here in a few hundred years.
> >
> >You have no evidence to support such a ridiculous assertion.
> >
> >Whereas, I gave examples of several organizations that have been around for a while and that will continue to be around.
> They are organizations based on foolish ideas and controlling people.
> Not advancing knowledge and managing high technology. We are on the
> edge now of ecological collapse, which is likely to result in the
> collapse of our civilizations, and that will certainly take with it
> the sort of organizations that could manage a several hundred year
> high tech space project!

You need to present your evidence for all the crap that you just wrote.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 02:59:49 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:24:48?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
>> I don't really care. We had our chance. IMO it is climate change that
>> will take us down. Don't really see any recovery at this point, and
>> the collapse of ecosystems will strain our society beyond its ability
>> to function in the way it does. Dark ages are ahead.
>
>The irony. You are not reflecting on how much YOU have contributed to this alleged "collapse," as you call it.

My contribution has been far below average. It has been reasonable.

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:02:57 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 02:59:49 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:24:48?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >
> >> I don't really care. We had our chance. IMO it is climate change that
> >> will take us down. Don't really see any recovery at this point, and
> >> the collapse of ecosystems will strain our society beyond its ability
> >> to function in the way it does. Dark ages are ahead.
> >
> >The irony. You are not reflecting on how much YOU have contributed to this alleged "collapse," as you call it.
> My contribution has been far below average. It has been reasonable.

It certainly is NOT below average.
Nor is it reasonable unless you are a hypocrite.