On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 8:50:26 AM UTC-8, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
> Am Sat, 20 Jan 2024 00:11:16 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
> <ro...@sarlet.com>:
>
> [...]
> >> Less snow, same cyclist gripes:
> >>
> >> https://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/londons-cycle-lanes-left-neglected-as-snow-continues-to-fall
> >
> >That’s from 2018 which might be last time it snowed in london? London has
> >only a handful of snowblowers/plows about 1 per borough, so very few
> >roads/pavements/cycleways get cleared it’s unusual for it to snow and
> >settle in london so it’s not set up for it.
> Excuses, excuses. Why is it so difficult to admit that cycle lanes and
> paths are simply the inferior part of roads, everywhere and all the year
> round? They are built inferiorly and then neglected.
>
> Here is a collage from today. It had snowed the whole day long,
> yesterday, and over the night. So everybody and their children where
> outside. Wo got for a walk up an hill nearby, too. I mostly took
> pictures of the nice landscape and view
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/20240120/winter.jpg>,
>
> but I also took the opportunity to take a few photos of cycle paths in
> the city, when getting back. These aren't particularly cherry-picked
> examples, but rather the better ones.
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/2024-01-20_bonn_germany.jpg>
>
> Bonn has a lot of equipment to clear the roads of dirt and snow, they
> have a lot of salt too - and boy do they use it! :-(
>
>
> --
> Bicycle helmets are the Bach flower remedies of traffic
Just a couple of points. bicycle paths are everything you say, but bicycle lanes are part of the road and if the roads are ever improved (in California they're not even repaired) then the bicycle lane is as well.

I don't believe one person really believes that a helm,et would safe your life from a car collision. But they can reduce head injuries from falling off.

On 1/20/2024 3:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:32:53 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:37 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 6:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/15012024-fatal-and-serious-cycling-collisions-in-london-up-by-a-third
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Serious collisions for cyclists have gone up since the Mayor started
>>>>>>>>> all the segregated bike stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Putting in bike lanes has not brought casualties down but instead
>>>>>>>>> doubled them in some places.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “The problem is that there is a presumption that all bike lanes are good
>>>>>>>>> and casualties will come down if you put them in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Whereas, in fact, in terms of cycling, they introduce a less safe
>>>>>>>>> environment because, in order to cycle safely, you need to position
>>>>>>>>> yourself properly on the road.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “But what a bike lane does is leave you too close to the curb, so if you
>>>>>>>>> are travelling straight on, adjacent to a turning, you will find that
>>>>>>>>> cars will turn across you because you are not visible to them."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... and much more. Ridership is up, but KSI crashes are up far more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But hey, Any Bike Facility Is A Good Bike Facility. Just ask the promoters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As ever context is everything “Vincent Stops” is an anti bike and change
>>>>>>>> campaigner fairly unpleasant piece of work really.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And absolutely should not be taken a face value!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>> Krygowski, how often and what distances do you ride in deep snow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not much, but more than you I'm sure!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In areas where bike lanes can be hidden by snow you place signs so there
>>>>>>> is no question where bike lanes are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-) That sounds lovely - a sign that says "There's a bike lane buried
>>>>>> under snow here!"
>>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently some places use lights is shine the the bike sign as obviously
>>>>> anything painted will be buried under the snow even if smooth and cleared
>>>>> by plow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> Frank again can't stop himself from lying. By "not much" he means NEVER,
>>>> So in fact it is not more than me since I have ridden in very heavy hail
>>>> (the size of quarters) on several occasions which are very large
>>>> snowflakes. It certainly was not done on purpose and we had to seek
>>>> shelter under evergreens until it moderated or stopped but we had to
>>>> carry on barely able to distinguish the roadside from the road. This is
>>>> where Frank says he would take the lane in from of marginally controllable vehicles.
>>>>
>>> Seriously you live in California which at the closest area to cull canyon
>>> temperatures in the high to low teens where as Youngstown being rather more
>>> north and I believe the Great Lakes do weather stuff, is -8/9 or so and
>>> light snow predicted and Frank has said there is snow settled.
>>>
>>> Even London is colder than California let alone tomorrow into the Surrey
>>> hills (Gravel ride) which is predicted to be just above freezing all day,
>>> had been -3/4 or so last few days at night.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> Rodger, in general you are correct that the further north latitude the
>> colder it is on the average. But that certainly depends on weather
>> patterns and last year or the year before it was well below 0 C here for
>> most of the mornings weeks at a time. I think that I related slipping in
>> glare ice and sliding all the way to the side of the road before catching
>> traction again at NOON. And while London is far north at 51 degrees north
>> latitude it is heated by the Gulf Stream whereas we at 37 degrees
>> latitude are cooled by arctic currents.
>>
> Unless the weather reports are way out, and by reputation California is
> significantly warmer than London let alone into the Surrey Hills and London
> yes is kept warm by the Gulf Stream and being a smaller land mass it’s same
> latitude as Moscow.
>
> You live in a warmer drier climate by some degree for both.
>
> I’d assume all here bar perhaps CatTrike have colder winters.
>
> Roger Merriman
>

+1
London's latitude is about the same as Lake Winnipeg and
since I was listening to Radio Canada this morning I can
safely say Manitoba is much colder now (-20C) and IME
usually. With plenty of snow for extended periods. Average
weather is affected by many things besides latitude!
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 7:03:54 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/20/2024 3:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:32:53 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:37 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/17/2024 6:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/15012024-fatal-and-serious-cycling-collisions-in-london-up-by-a-third
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Serious collisions for cyclists have gone up since the Mayor started
> >>>>>>>>> all the segregated bike stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> “Putting in bike lanes has not brought casualties down but instead
> >>>>>>>>> doubled them in some places.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> “The problem is that there is a presumption that all bike lanes are good
> >>>>>>>>> and casualties will come down if you put them in.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> “Whereas, in fact, in terms of cycling, they introduce a less safe
> >>>>>>>>> environment because, in order to cycle safely, you need to position
> >>>>>>>>> yourself properly on the road.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> “But what a bike lane does is leave you too close to the curb, so if you
> >>>>>>>>> are travelling straight on, adjacent to a turning, you will find that
> >>>>>>>>> cars will turn across you because you are not visible to them."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ... and much more. Ridership is up, but KSI crashes are up far more.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But hey, Any Bike Facility Is A Good Bike Facility. Just ask the promoters.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As ever context is everything “Vincent Stops” is an anti bike and change
> >>>>>>>> campaigner fairly unpleasant piece of work really.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And absolutely should not be taken a face value!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>> Krygowski, how often and what distances do you ride in deep snow?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not much, but more than you I'm sure!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In areas where bike lanes can be hidden by snow you place signs so there
> >>>>>>> is no question where bike lanes are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> :-) That sounds lovely - a sign that says "There's a bike lane buried
> >>>>>> under snow here!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Apparently some places use lights is shine the the bike sign as obviously
> >>>>> anything painted will be buried under the snow even if smooth and cleared
> >>>>> by plow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank again can't stop himself from lying. By "not much" he means NEVER,
> >>>> So in fact it is not more than me since I have ridden in very heavy hail
> >>>> (the size of quarters) on several occasions which are very large
> >>>> snowflakes. It certainly was not done on purpose and we had to seek
> >>>> shelter under evergreens until it moderated or stopped but we had to
> >>>> carry on barely able to distinguish the roadside from the road. This is
> >>>> where Frank says he would take the lane in from of marginally controllable vehicles.
> >>>>
> >>> Seriously you live in California which at the closest area to cull canyon
> >>> temperatures in the high to low teens where as Youngstown being rather more
> >>> north and I believe the Great Lakes do weather stuff, is -8/9 or so and
> >>> light snow predicted and Frank has said there is snow settled.
> >>>
> >>> Even London is colder than California let alone tomorrow into the Surrey
> >>> hills (Gravel ride) which is predicted to be just above freezing all day,
> >>> had been -3/4 or so last few days at night.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>
> >> Rodger, in general you are correct that the further north latitude the
> >> colder it is on the average. But that certainly depends on weather
> >> patterns and last year or the year before it was well below 0 C here for
> >> most of the mornings weeks at a time. I think that I related slipping in
> >> glare ice and sliding all the way to the side of the road before catching
> >> traction again at NOON. And while London is far north at 51 degrees north
> >> latitude it is heated by the Gulf Stream whereas we at 37 degrees
> >> latitude are cooled by arctic currents.
> >>
> > Unless the weather reports are way out, and by reputation California is
> > significantly warmer than London let alone into the Surrey Hills and London
> > yes is kept warm by the Gulf Stream and being a smaller land mass it’s same
> > latitude as Moscow.
> >
> > You live in a warmer drier climate by some degree for both.
> >
> > I’d assume all here bar perhaps CatTrike have colder winters.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> >
> +1
> London's latitude is about the same as Lake Winnipeg and
> since I was listening to Radio Canada this morning I can
> safely say Manitoba is much colder now (-20C) and IME
> usually. With plenty of snow for extended periods. Average
> weather is affected by many things besides latitude!
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can't even begin to understand Roger's position when we have long term records of the weather in London and every major city in the USA. And it shows on the whole that London has better weather than most of the northern US.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 7:03:54 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/20/2024 3:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:32:53 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:37 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 6:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/15012024-fatal-and-serious-cycling-collisions-in-london-up-by-a-third
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Serious collisions for cyclists have gone up since the Mayor started
>>>>>>>>>>> all the segregated bike stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “Putting in bike lanes has not brought casualties down but instead
>>>>>>>>>>> doubled them in some places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “The problem is that there is a presumption that all bike lanes are good
>>>>>>>>>>> and casualties will come down if you put them in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “Whereas, in fact, in terms of cycling, they introduce a less safe
>>>>>>>>>>> environment because, in order to cycle safely, you need to position
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself properly on the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “But what a bike lane does is leave you too close to the curb, so if you
>>>>>>>>>>> are travelling straight on, adjacent to a turning, you will find that
>>>>>>>>>>> cars will turn across you because you are not visible to them."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ... and much more. Ridership is up, but KSI crashes are up far more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But hey, Any Bike Facility Is A Good Bike Facility. Just ask the promoters.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As ever context is everything “Vincent Stops” is an anti bike and change
>>>>>>>>>> campaigner fairly unpleasant piece of work really.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And absolutely should not be taken a face value!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>> Krygowski, how often and what distances do you ride in deep snow?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not much, but more than you I'm sure!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In areas where bike lanes can be hidden by snow you place signs so there
>>>>>>>>> is no question where bike lanes are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-) That sounds lovely - a sign that says "There's a bike lane buried
>>>>>>>> under snow here!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently some places use lights is shine the the bike sign as obviously
>>>>>>> anything painted will be buried under the snow even if smooth and cleared
>>>>>>> by plow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank again can't stop himself from lying. By "not much" he means NEVER,
>>>>>> So in fact it is not more than me since I have ridden in very heavy hail
>>>>>> (the size of quarters) on several occasions which are very large
>>>>>> snowflakes. It certainly was not done on purpose and we had to seek
>>>>>> shelter under evergreens until it moderated or stopped but we had to
>>>>>> carry on barely able to distinguish the roadside from the road. This is
>>>>>> where Frank says he would take the lane in from of marginally controllable vehicles.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously you live in California which at the closest area to cull canyon
>>>>> temperatures in the high to low teens where as Youngstown being rather more
>>>>> north and I believe the Great Lakes do weather stuff, is -8/9 or so and
>>>>> light snow predicted and Frank has said there is snow settled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even London is colder than California let alone tomorrow into the Surrey
>>>>> hills (Gravel ride) which is predicted to be just above freezing all day,
>>>>> had been -3/4 or so last few days at night.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> Rodger, in general you are correct that the further north latitude the
>>>> colder it is on the average. But that certainly depends on weather
>>>> patterns and last year or the year before it was well below 0 C here for
>>>> most of the mornings weeks at a time. I think that I related slipping in
>>>> glare ice and sliding all the way to the side of the road before catching
>>>> traction again at NOON. And while London is far north at 51 degrees north
>>>> latitude it is heated by the Gulf Stream whereas we at 37 degrees
>>>> latitude are cooled by arctic currents.
>>>>
>>> Unless the weather reports are way out, and by reputation California is
>>> significantly warmer than London let alone into the Surrey Hills and London
>>> yes is kept warm by the Gulf Stream and being a smaller land mass it’s same
>>> latitude as Moscow.
>>>
>>> You live in a warmer drier climate by some degree for both.
>>>
>>> I’d assume all here bar perhaps CatTrike have colder winters.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>> +1
>> London's latitude is about the same as Lake Winnipeg and
>> since I was listening to Radio Canada this morning I can
>> safely say Manitoba is much colder now (-20C) and IME
>> usually. With plenty of snow for extended periods. Average
>> weather is affected by many things besides latitude!
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> I can't even begin to understand Roger's position when we have long term
> records of the weather in London and every major city in the USA. And it
> shows on the whole that London has better weather than most of the northern US.
>
Then you need to reread what I’ve posted, yes many American cities have
harsh winters, but where you are in California isn’t one of them, and is
costal anyway which tends to moderate extreme temperatures in both
directions.

Roger Merriman

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 1/20/2024 3:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:32:53 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:37 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 6:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/15012024-fatal-and-serious-cycling-collisions-in-london-up-by-a-third
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Serious collisions for cyclists have gone up since the Mayor started
>>>>>>>>>> all the segregated bike stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Putting in bike lanes has not brought casualties down but instead
>>>>>>>>>> doubled them in some places.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “The problem is that there is a presumption that all bike lanes are good
>>>>>>>>>> and casualties will come down if you put them in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Whereas, in fact, in terms of cycling, they introduce a less safe
>>>>>>>>>> environment because, in order to cycle safely, you need to position
>>>>>>>>>> yourself properly on the road.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “But what a bike lane does is leave you too close to the curb, so if you
>>>>>>>>>> are travelling straight on, adjacent to a turning, you will find that
>>>>>>>>>> cars will turn across you because you are not visible to them."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ... and much more. Ridership is up, but KSI crashes are up far more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But hey, Any Bike Facility Is A Good Bike Facility. Just ask the promoters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As ever context is everything “Vincent Stops” is an anti bike and change
>>>>>>>>> campaigner fairly unpleasant piece of work really.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And absolutely should not be taken a face value!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>> Krygowski, how often and what distances do you ride in deep snow?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not much, but more than you I'm sure!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In areas where bike lanes can be hidden by snow you place signs so there
>>>>>>>> is no question where bike lanes are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-) That sounds lovely - a sign that says "There's a bike lane buried
>>>>>>> under snow here!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently some places use lights is shine the the bike sign as obviously
>>>>>> anything painted will be buried under the snow even if smooth and cleared
>>>>>> by plow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank again can't stop himself from lying. By "not much" he means NEVER,
>>>>> So in fact it is not more than me since I have ridden in very heavy hail
>>>>> (the size of quarters) on several occasions which are very large
>>>>> snowflakes. It certainly was not done on purpose and we had to seek
>>>>> shelter under evergreens until it moderated or stopped but we had to
>>>>> carry on barely able to distinguish the roadside from the road. This is
>>>>> where Frank says he would take the lane in from of marginally controllable vehicles.
>>>>>
>>>> Seriously you live in California which at the closest area to cull canyon
>>>> temperatures in the high to low teens where as Youngstown being rather more
>>>> north and I believe the Great Lakes do weather stuff, is -8/9 or so and
>>>> light snow predicted and Frank has said there is snow settled.
>>>>
>>>> Even London is colder than California let alone tomorrow into the Surrey
>>>> hills (Gravel ride) which is predicted to be just above freezing all day,
>>>> had been -3/4 or so last few days at night.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> Rodger, in general you are correct that the further north latitude the
>>> colder it is on the average. But that certainly depends on weather
>>> patterns and last year or the year before it was well below 0 C here for
>>> most of the mornings weeks at a time. I think that I related slipping in
>>> glare ice and sliding all the way to the side of the road before catching
>>> traction again at NOON. And while London is far north at 51 degrees north
>>> latitude it is heated by the Gulf Stream whereas we at 37 degrees
>>> latitude are cooled by arctic currents.
>>>
>> Unless the weather reports are way out, and by reputation California is
>> significantly warmer than London let alone into the Surrey Hills and London
>> yes is kept warm by the Gulf Stream and being a smaller land mass it’s same
>> latitude as Moscow.
>>
>> You live in a warmer drier climate by some degree for both.
>>
>> I’d assume all here bar perhaps CatTrike have colder winters.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
> +1
> London's latitude is about the same as Lake Winnipeg and
> since I was listening to Radio Canada this morning I can
> safely say Manitoba is much colder now (-20C) and IME
> usually. With plenty of snow for extended periods. Average
> weather is affected by many things besides latitude!

I’m from the Brecon Beacons ie Welsh hills which in winter can vary hugely
over very short distances due to the hills and the micro climate and so on.

Ie can drive/cycle down to the local market town though snowy lanes and low
clouds to find the town having a nice warm sunny snow free day! Though
occasionally get the reverse in that the river holds low clouds, which you
can climb out of into the sun and so on.

Roger Merriman

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:35:19 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 7:03:54 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/20/2024 3:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:32:53 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:37 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 6:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/15012024-fatal-and-serious-cycling-collisions-in-london-up-by-a-third
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Serious collisions for cyclists have gone up since the Mayor started
> >>>>>>>>>>> all the segregated bike stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> “Putting in bike lanes has not brought casualties down but instead
> >>>>>>>>>>> doubled them in some places.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> “The problem is that there is a presumption that all bike lanes are good
> >>>>>>>>>>> and casualties will come down if you put them in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> “Whereas, in fact, in terms of cycling, they introduce a less safe
> >>>>>>>>>>> environment because, in order to cycle safely, you need to position
> >>>>>>>>>>> yourself properly on the road.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> “But what a bike lane does is leave you too close to the curb, so if you
> >>>>>>>>>>> are travelling straight on, adjacent to a turning, you will find that
> >>>>>>>>>>> cars will turn across you because you are not visible to them.."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ... and much more. Ridership is up, but KSI crashes are up far more.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But hey, Any Bike Facility Is A Good Bike Facility. Just ask the promoters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As ever context is everything “Vincent Stops” is an anti bike and change
> >>>>>>>>>> campaigner fairly unpleasant piece of work really.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And absolutely should not be taken a face value!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>>> Krygowski, how often and what distances do you ride in deep snow?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not much, but more than you I'm sure!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In areas where bike lanes can be hidden by snow you place signs so there
> >>>>>>>>> is no question where bike lanes are.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> :-) That sounds lovely - a sign that says "There's a bike lane buried
> >>>>>>>> under snow here!"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apparently some places use lights is shine the the bike sign as obviously
> >>>>>>> anything painted will be buried under the snow even if smooth and cleared
> >>>>>>> by plow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Frank again can't stop himself from lying. By "not much" he means NEVER,
> >>>>>> So in fact it is not more than me since I have ridden in very heavy hail
> >>>>>> (the size of quarters) on several occasions which are very large
> >>>>>> snowflakes. It certainly was not done on purpose and we had to seek
> >>>>>> shelter under evergreens until it moderated or stopped but we had to
> >>>>>> carry on barely able to distinguish the roadside from the road. This is
> >>>>>> where Frank says he would take the lane in from of marginally controllable vehicles.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Seriously you live in California which at the closest area to cull canyon
> >>>>> temperatures in the high to low teens where as Youngstown being rather more
> >>>>> north and I believe the Great Lakes do weather stuff, is -8/9 or so and
> >>>>> light snow predicted and Frank has said there is snow settled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even London is colder than California let alone tomorrow into the Surrey
> >>>>> hills (Gravel ride) which is predicted to be just above freezing all day,
> >>>>> had been -3/4 or so last few days at night.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>
> >>>> Rodger, in general you are correct that the further north latitude the
> >>>> colder it is on the average. But that certainly depends on weather
> >>>> patterns and last year or the year before it was well below 0 C here for
> >>>> most of the mornings weeks at a time. I think that I related slipping in
> >>>> glare ice and sliding all the way to the side of the road before catching
> >>>> traction again at NOON. And while London is far north at 51 degrees north
> >>>> latitude it is heated by the Gulf Stream whereas we at 37 degrees
> >>>> latitude are cooled by arctic currents.
> >>>>
> >>> Unless the weather reports are way out, and by reputation California is
> >>> significantly warmer than London let alone into the Surrey Hills and London
> >>> yes is kept warm by the Gulf Stream and being a smaller land mass it’s same
> >>> latitude as Moscow.
> >>>
> >>> You live in a warmer drier climate by some degree for both.
> >>>
> >>> I’d assume all here bar perhaps CatTrike have colder winters.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >> +1
> >> London's latitude is about the same as Lake Winnipeg and
> >> since I was listening to Radio Canada this morning I can
> >> safely say Manitoba is much colder now (-20C) and IME
> >> usually. With plenty of snow for extended periods. Average
> >> weather is affected by many things besides latitude!
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> a...@yellowjersey.org
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > I can't even begin to understand Roger's position when we have long term
> > records of the weather in London and every major city in the USA. And it
> > shows on the whole that London has better weather than most of the northern US.
> >
> Then you need to reread what I’ve posted, yes many American cities have
> harsh winters, but where you are in California isn’t one of them, and is
> costal anyway which tends to moderate extreme temperatures in both
> directions.
>
> Roger Merriman
I said that there are winters here in which weeks at a time the weather can be a great deal more harsh than the London average. And that is completely true.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:35:19 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 7:03:54 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/2024 3:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:32:53 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:37 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/17/2024 6:07 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:38:41 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/15012024-fatal-and-serious-cycling-collisions-in-london-up-by-a-third
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Serious collisions for cyclists have gone up since the Mayor started
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the segregated bike stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Putting in bike lanes has not brought casualties down but instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubled them in some places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The problem is that there is a presumption that all bike lanes are good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and casualties will come down if you put them in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Whereas, in fact, in terms of cycling, they introduce a less safe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment because, in order to cycle safely, you need to position
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself properly on the road.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “But what a bike lane does is leave you too close to the curb, so if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are travelling straight on, adjacent to a turning, you will find that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars will turn across you because you are not visible to them."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... and much more. Ridership is up, but KSI crashes are up far more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But hey, Any Bike Facility Is A Good Bike Facility. Just ask the promoters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As ever context is everything “Vincent Stops” is an anti bike and change
>>>>>>>>>>>> campaigner fairly unpleasant piece of work really.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And absolutely should not be taken a face value!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>> Krygowski, how often and what distances do you ride in deep snow?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not much, but more than you I'm sure!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In areas where bike lanes can be hidden by snow you place signs so there
>>>>>>>>>>> is no question where bike lanes are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-) That sounds lovely - a sign that says "There's a bike lane buried
>>>>>>>>>> under snow here!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently some places use lights is shine the the bike sign as obviously
>>>>>>>>> anything painted will be buried under the snow even if smooth and cleared
>>>>>>>>> by plow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank again can't stop himself from lying. By "not much" he means NEVER,
>>>>>>>> So in fact it is not more than me since I have ridden in very heavy hail
>>>>>>>> (the size of quarters) on several occasions which are very large
>>>>>>>> snowflakes. It certainly was not done on purpose and we had to seek
>>>>>>>> shelter under evergreens until it moderated or stopped but we had to
>>>>>>>> carry on barely able to distinguish the roadside from the road. This is
>>>>>>>> where Frank says he would take the lane in from of marginally
>>>>>>>> controllable vehicles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously you live in California which at the closest area to cull canyon
>>>>>>> temperatures in the high to low teens where as Youngstown being rather more
>>>>>>> north and I believe the Great Lakes do weather stuff, is -8/9 or so and
>>>>>>> light snow predicted and Frank has said there is snow settled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even London is colder than California let alone tomorrow into the Surrey
>>>>>>> hills (Gravel ride) which is predicted to be just above freezing all day,
>>>>>>> had been -3/4 or so last few days at night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodger, in general you are correct that the further north latitude the
>>>>>> colder it is on the average. But that certainly depends on weather
>>>>>> patterns and last year or the year before it was well below 0 C here for
>>>>>> most of the mornings weeks at a time. I think that I related slipping in
>>>>>> glare ice and sliding all the way to the side of the road before catching
>>>>>> traction again at NOON. And while London is far north at 51 degrees north
>>>>>> latitude it is heated by the Gulf Stream whereas we at 37 degrees
>>>>>> latitude are cooled by arctic currents.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Unless the weather reports are way out, and by reputation California is
>>>>> significantly warmer than London let alone into the Surrey Hills and London
>>>>> yes is kept warm by the Gulf Stream and being a smaller land mass it’s same
>>>>> latitude as Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>> You live in a warmer drier climate by some degree for both.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’d assume all here bar perhaps CatTrike have colder winters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> London's latitude is about the same as Lake Winnipeg and
>>>> since I was listening to Radio Canada this morning I can
>>>> safely say Manitoba is much colder now (-20C) and IME
>>>> usually. With plenty of snow for extended periods. Average
>>>> weather is affected by many things besides latitude!
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> I can't even begin to understand Roger's position when we have long term
>>> records of the weather in London and every major city in the USA. And it
>>> shows on the whole that London has better weather than most of the northern US.
>>>
>> Then you need to reread what I’ve posted, yes many American cities have
>> harsh winters, but where you are in California isn’t one of them, and is
>> costal anyway which tends to moderate extreme temperatures in both
>> directions.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
> I said that there are winters here in which weeks at a time the weather
> can be a great deal more harsh than the London average. And that is completely true.
>