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* Cantor's notion of countability is trash.WM
+* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.sergio
|+- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.sergio
|`- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Ross A. Finlayson
+- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.FromTheRafters
+- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Gus Gassmann
+- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Mathin3D
+* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.zelos...@gmail.com
|`* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.WM
| +* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.sergio
| |`* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Ross A. Finlayson
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| |  `- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Ross A. Finlayson
| +* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Gus Gassmann
| |`* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.WM
| | +* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Gus Gassmann
| | |`- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Dan Christensen
| | `- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.sergio
| `- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.zelos...@gmail.com
+- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Eram semper recta
+* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Dan Christensen
|`* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.WM
| +- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.sergio
| +- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Dan Christensen
| +* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Eram semper recta
| |+- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.zelos...@gmail.com
| |+- STUDENTS BEWARE: Don't be a victim of JG's fake mathDan Christensen
| |`* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.WM
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| `- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.zelos...@gmail.com
+* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Eram semper recta
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|`- Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.Mathin3D
+* Bullshit baffles brains.Eram semper recta
+* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.David Petry
`* Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.mitchr...@gmail.com

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From: thenewca...@gmail.com (Eram semper recta)
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 by: Eram semper recta - Fri, 6 May 2022 12:26 UTC

On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 07:43:08 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 17:05:12 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Dienstag, 3. Mai 2022 um 14:02:18 UTC+2:
> > > On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 14:39:47 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Montag, 2. Mai 2022 um 10:16:31 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 23:13:42 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > The derivative of x^n = nx^(n-1), proved by limit method.
> > > > > Limit theory is not a proof of any kind - it merely helps you validate your *guess* that nx^(n-1) is the correct derivative.
> > > > (x^2 + 2xh + h^2 - x^2)/h = 2x + h
> > > (x^2 + 2xh + h^2 - x^2)/h = 2x + h is the first principles method which is a *guess*.
> > > > For h -->0 the result is precisely 2x.There is no guess.
> > > Unfortunately no,
> > For me it means 2x + h, and in the limit 2x.
> 2x+h _IS_ the first principles method, you ignoramus.

To get 2x, you need f'(x)=Lim{h->0} (x^2 + 2xh + h^2 - x^2)/h in your bullshit calculus.

But to use f'(x)=Lim{h->0} (x^2 + 2xh + h^2 - x^2)/h means 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon where L=2x.

Ergo, 2x is used in the very process that is meant to define 2x.

Nothing could be more circular.

>
> >
> > Regards, WM

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On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:57:04 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> Eram semper recta schrieb am Freitag, 6. Mai 2022 um 14:26:44 UTC+2:
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> > Nothing could be more circular.
> lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x.
>
> Nothing circular.

You're obviously a crank.

Where did you get the 2x on the left hand side?

Hint: you got it from the first principles method which means 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon where L=2x.

In order to find 2x using 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon, you need to know 2x.

You can't use 2x in the first principles method because the "first principles method" is what you use to find 2x.

You're using it in the "definition" 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon which is equivalent to Lim_{h->0} [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h.

Yes, it's circular.

>
> Regards, WM

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On Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 18:50:09 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:57:04 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Freitag, 6. Mai 2022 um 14:26:44 UTC+2:
> >
> > > Nothing could be more circular.
> > lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x.
> >
> > Nothing circular.
> You're obviously a crank.
>
> Where did you get the 2x on the left hand side?
>
> Hint: you got it from the first principles method which means 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon where L=2x.
>
> In order to find 2x using 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon, you need to know 2x.
>
> You can't use 2x in the first principles method because the "first principles method" is what you use to find 2x.
>
> You're using it in the "definition" 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon which is equivalent to Lim_{h->0} [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h.
>
> Yes, it's circular.

In any case, lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x is EQUIVALENT to h=0 meaning that your application of the first principles method is not sound.

According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.

The only way you can get 2x from 2x+h is indeed if h=0.

No, your hand waving bullshit 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon means you already know 2x.

Circular from whichever perspective.

>
> >
> > Regards, WM

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söndag 8 maj 2022 kl. 17:56:40 UTC+2 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 18:50:09 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:57:04 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Freitag, 6. Mai 2022 um 14:26:44 UTC+2:
> > >
> > > > Nothing could be more circular.
> > > lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x.
> > >
> > > Nothing circular.
> > You're obviously a crank.
> >
> > Where did you get the 2x on the left hand side?
> >
> > Hint: you got it from the first principles method which means 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon where L=2x.
> >
> > In order to find 2x using 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon, you need to know 2x.
> >
> > You can't use 2x in the first principles method because the "first principles method" is what you use to find 2x.
> >
> > You're using it in the "definition" 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon which is equivalent to Lim_{h->0} [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h.
> >
> > Yes, it's circular.
> In any case, lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x is EQUIVALENT to h=0 meaning that your application of the first principles method is not sound.
>
> According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
>
> The only way you can get 2x from 2x+h is indeed if h=0.
>
> No, your hand waving bullshit 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon means you already know 2x.
>
> Circular from whichever perspective.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Regards, WM

Damn hilarious seeing 2 cranks argue stuff

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Subject: Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.
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 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Tue, 10 May 2022 05:00 UTC

söndag 8 maj 2022 kl. 17:56:40 UTC+2 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 18:50:09 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:57:04 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Freitag, 6. Mai 2022 um 14:26:44 UTC+2:
> > >
> > > > Nothing could be more circular.
> > > lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x.
> > >
> > > Nothing circular.
> > You're obviously a crank.
> >
> > Where did you get the 2x on the left hand side?
> >
> > Hint: you got it from the first principles method which means 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon where L=2x.
> >
> > In order to find 2x using 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon, you need to know 2x.
> >
> > You can't use 2x in the first principles method because the "first principles method" is what you use to find 2x.
> >
> > You're using it in the "definition" 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon which is equivalent to Lim_{h->0} [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h.
> >
> > Yes, it's circular.
> In any case, lim h-->0 (2x + h) = 2x is EQUIVALENT to h=0 meaning that your application of the first principles method is not sound.
>
> According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
>
> The only way you can get 2x from 2x+h is indeed if h=0.
>
> No, your hand waving bullshit 0<|x-c|<delta => | [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h - L|<epsilon means you already know 2x.
>
> Circular from whichever perspective.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Regards, WM
demonstrating once again that you do not know what circular means

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 by: Eram semper recta - Wed, 11 May 2022 06:04 UTC

On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
>
> > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.

But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.

Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.

h cannot be both non-zero and zero whenever it tickles your fancy. My historic geometric theorem proves that the first principles method which is part of your delusional limit definition is a fraud of galactic proportions. It proves the utter incompetence and stupidity of mainstream math academics worldwide.

https://www.academia.edu/62358358/My_historic_geometric_theorem_of_January_2020

One of your countrymen (retired Engineer) was the first to realise these facts.

https://hanspeterguettinger.weebly.com

Antinomie: antinomy is a contradiction between two beliefs or conclusions that are in themselves reasonable; a paradox.

> >
> > The only way you can get 2x from 2x+h is indeed if h=0.
> Of course.

....which is problematic because h can never be zero in mainstream derivative definition.

To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):

"We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."

http://web.mit.edu/andersk/Public/John-Gabriel.pdf (See Page 20)

Perhaps you and the mainstream math community should all agree to speak the same thing? It might make you look less incredulous than you already are.

>
> Regards, WM

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On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 09:04:25 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> >
> > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
>
> Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.
>
> h cannot be both non-zero and zero whenever it tickles your fancy.

Reminds me of your limit drivel, that is, f(x) = x+1 when f(x) is defined for x=1. Then you multiply by the identity element (x-1)/(x-1) (for what else can x/x be besides 1) and suddenly f(x) is no longer defined when x=1.

Truly amazing orangutan mathematics! :-)

> My historic geometric theorem proves that the first principles method which is part of your delusional limit definition is a fraud of galactic proportions. It proves the utter incompetence and stupidity of mainstream math academics worldwide.
>
> https://www.academia.edu/62358358/My_historic_geometric_theorem_of_January_2020
>
> One of your countrymen (retired Engineer) was the first to realise these facts.
>
> https://hanspeterguettinger.weebly.com
>
> Antinomie: antinomy is a contradiction between two beliefs or conclusions that are in themselves reasonable; a paradox.
> > >
> > > The only way you can get 2x from 2x+h is indeed if h=0.
> > Of course.
> ...which is problematic because h can never be zero in mainstream derivative definition.
>
> To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
>
> "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
>
> http://web.mit.edu/andersk/Public/John-Gabriel.pdf (See Page 20)
>
> Perhaps you and the mainstream math community should all agree to speak the same thing? It might make you look less incredulous than you already are.
>
> >
> > Regards, WM

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onsdag 11 maj 2022 kl. 08:04:25 UTC+2 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> >
> > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
>
> Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.

Here you demonstrate once again you do not know how limits work. Go back to school you crank.

>
> h cannot be both non-zero and zero whenever it tickles your fancy. My historic geometric theorem proves that the first principles method which is part of your delusional limit definition is a fraud of galactic proportions. It proves the utter incompetence and stupidity of mainstream math academics worldwide.
>
> https://www.academia.edu/62358358/My_historic_geometric_theorem_of_January_2020
>
> One of your countrymen (retired Engineer) was the first to realise these facts.
>
> https://hanspeterguettinger.weebly.com
>
> Antinomie: antinomy is a contradiction between two beliefs or conclusions that are in themselves reasonable; a paradox.
> > >
> > > The only way you can get 2x from 2x+h is indeed if h=0.
> > Of course.
> ...which is problematic because h can never be zero in mainstream derivative definition.
>
> To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
>
> "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
>
> http://web.mit.edu/andersk/Public/John-Gabriel.pdf (See Page 20)
>
> Perhaps you and the mainstream math community should all agree to speak the same thing? It might make you look less incredulous than you already are..
>
> >
> > Regards, WM

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Eram semper recta schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2022 um 08:04:25 UTC+2:
> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> >
> > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
>
> Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.

h is a shrinking sequence. Therefore we can use two explanations:

1) h is never 0. But in 2x + h we can see what would happen if h was 0.
2) Put h = 0. Before simplification the result is the same, but not as easy to see.

> To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
>
> "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."

It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)

Regards, WM

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On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 15:37:46 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> Eram semper recta schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2022 um 08:04:25 UTC+2:
> > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> > >
> > > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> > But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
> >
> > Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.
> h is a shrinking sequence.

No, h neither shrinks nor expands. h is merely the horizontal distance between the endpoints of each non-parallel secant line.

>Therefore we can use two explanations:

You mean various forms of hand waving?

>
> 1) h is never 0. But in 2x + h we can see what would happen if h was 0.

And we can also see what happens in the finite difference quotient [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h if h=0. It's undefined.

> 2) Put h = 0. Before simplification the result is the same, but not as easy to see.

It's easy to see that you can't put h=0 before the simplification but that taking limits of the sequence of finite differences [f(x+h_1)-f(x)]/h_1; [f(x+h_2)-f(x)]/h_2; ... gives you the derivative. Problem is that there is no finite difference that ever gives you the derivative.

Also there is the fact that you have no systematic way of finding the derivative without actually doing a lot of bogus arithmetic (first principles method) and then in a circular fashion using the result in your limiting process.

> > To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
> >
> > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."

> It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)

Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:

Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+... &c.

0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.

If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.

In effect, you acknowledge Euler's delusional claim that there exists an n such that 0 = 1/n.

According to Euler S(n)=(1/3)[1-10^(-n)] and S(oo)=1/3 <-> 0.333... = 1/3.

Are you refusing to admit you're wrong because you are ashamed or just plain stupid?

>
> Regards, WM

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 by: Eram semper recta - Thu, 12 May 2022 05:10 UTC

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 15:37:46 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2022 um 08:04:25 UTC+2:
> > > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> > > >
> > > > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > > > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> > > But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
> > >
> > > Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.
> > h is a shrinking sequence.
> No, h neither shrinks nor expands. h is merely the horizontal distance between the endpoints of each non-parallel secant line.

For any x and h pair, my historic geometric theorem holds:

[f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x) + Q(x,h)

Nothing shrinks or expands ever.

> >Therefore we can use two explanations:
> You mean various forms of hand waving?
> >
> > 1) h is never 0. But in 2x + h we can see what would happen if h was 0.
> And we can also see what happens in the finite difference quotient [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h if h=0. It's undefined.
> > 2) Put h = 0. Before simplification the result is the same, but not as easy to see.
> It's easy to see that you can't put h=0 before the simplification but that taking limits of the sequence of finite differences [f(x+h_1)-f(x)]/h_1; [f(x+h_2)-f(x)]/h_2; ... gives you the derivative. Problem is that there is no finite difference that ever gives you the derivative.
>
> Also there is the fact that you have no systematic way of finding the derivative without actually doing a lot of bogus arithmetic (first principles method) and then in a circular fashion using the result in your limiting process.
> > > To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
> > >
> > > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
>
> > It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)
> Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
>
> Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+.... &c.
>
> 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
>
> If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.
>
> In effect, you acknowledge Euler's delusional claim that there exists an n such that 0 = 1/n.
>
> According to Euler S(n)=(1/3)[1-10^(-n)] and S(oo)=1/3 <-> 0.333... = 1/3.
>
> Are you refusing to admit you're wrong because you are ashamed or just plain stupid?
>
> >
> > Regards, WM

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Subject: Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.
From: thenewca...@gmail.com (Eram semper recta)
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 by: Eram semper recta - Thu, 12 May 2022 05:15 UTC

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:10:54 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 15:37:46 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2022 um 08:04:25 UTC+2:
> > > > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> > > > >
> > > > > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > > > > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> > > > But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
> > > >
> > > > Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.
> > > h is a shrinking sequence.
> > No, h neither shrinks nor expands. h is merely the horizontal distance between the endpoints of each non-parallel secant line.
> For any x and h pair, my historic geometric theorem holds:
>
> [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x) + Q(x,h)
>
> Nothing shrinks or expands ever.
> > >Therefore we can use two explanations:
> > You mean various forms of hand waving?
> > >
> > > 1) h is never 0. But in 2x + h we can see what would happen if h was 0.
> > And we can also see what happens in the finite difference quotient [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h if h=0. It's undefined.
> > > 2) Put h = 0. Before simplification the result is the same, but not as easy to see.
> > It's easy to see that you can't put h=0 before the simplification but that taking limits of the sequence of finite differences [f(x+h_1)-f(x)]/h_1; [f(x+h_2)-f(x)]/h_2; ... gives you the derivative. Problem is that there is no finite difference that ever gives you the derivative.
> >
> > Also there is the fact that you have no systematic way of finding the derivative without actually doing a lot of bogus arithmetic (first principles method) and then in a circular fashion using the result in your limiting process.
> > > > To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
> > > >
> > > > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
> >
> > > It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)

For one who is constantly rejecting infinity and using it in his FISON arguments, it's perplexing that you would even quote such garbage as:

"a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx." - Euler

So now you reject infinity, but infinitesimal is okay? Chuckle.

> > Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
> >
> > Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+.... &c.
> >
> > 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
> >
> > If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.
> >
> > In effect, you acknowledge Euler's delusional claim that there exists an n such that 0 = 1/n.
> >
> > According to Euler S(n)=(1/3)[1-10^(-n)] and S(oo)=1/3 <-> 0.333... = 1/3.
> >
> > Are you refusing to admit you're wrong because you are ashamed or just plain stupid?

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Subject: Re: Cantor's notion of countability is trash.
From: thenewca...@gmail.com (Eram semper recta)
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 by: Eram semper recta - Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47 UTC

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:15:24 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:10:54 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 15:37:46 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2022 um 08:04:25 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > > > > > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> > > > > But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.
> > > > h is a shrinking sequence.
> > > No, h neither shrinks nor expands. h is merely the horizontal distance between the endpoints of each non-parallel secant line.
> > For any x and h pair, my historic geometric theorem holds:
> >
> > [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x) + Q(x,h)
> >
> > Nothing shrinks or expands ever.
> > > >Therefore we can use two explanations:
> > > You mean various forms of hand waving?
> > > >
> > > > 1) h is never 0. But in 2x + h we can see what would happen if h was 0.
> > > And we can also see what happens in the finite difference quotient [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h if h=0. It's undefined.
> > > > 2) Put h = 0. Before simplification the result is the same, but not as easy to see.
> > > It's easy to see that you can't put h=0 before the simplification but that taking limits of the sequence of finite differences [f(x+h_1)-f(x)]/h_1; [f(x+h_2)-f(x)]/h_2; ... gives you the derivative. Problem is that there is no finite difference that ever gives you the derivative.
> > >
> > > Also there is the fact that you have no systematic way of finding the derivative without actually doing a lot of bogus arithmetic (first principles method) and then in a circular fashion using the result in your limiting process.
> > > > > To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
> > > > >
> > > > > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
> > >
> > > > It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)
> For one who is constantly rejecting infinity and using it in his FISON arguments, it's perplexing that you would even quote such garbage as:
>
> "a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx." - Euler
>
> So now you reject infinity, but infinitesimal is okay? Chuckle.
> > > Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
> > >
> > > Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+... &c.
> > >
> > > 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
> > >
> > > If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.
> > >
> > > In effect, you acknowledge Euler's delusional claim that there exists an n such that 0 = 1/n.
> > >
> > > According to Euler S(n)=(1/3)[1-10^(-n)] and S(oo)=1/3 <-> 0.333.... = 1/3.
> > >
> > > Are you refusing to admit you're wrong because you are ashamed or just plain stupid?

As a result of my historic theorem, it turns out that it's valid to simply throw away all the terms in h because these denote the difference in slope between the non-parallel secant line and the tangent line.

However, my theorem never allows h to be 0 even though setting h=0 is equivalent.

Your flawed mainstream approach allows h to be 0 for some time and you can't provide any rationale for why the first principles method as you have been taught in the mainstream actually works just fine without your circular limit theory.

Had Newton and Berkeley known about my theorem, there would never have been any publication called "The Analyst" and no bullshit in the 19th century claiming that calculus was made rigorous - a pathetic joke.

All the same, my historic theorem shows why your mainstream calculus is a BIG LIE and a fraud of galactic proportions, but my New Calculus is elegant and easier to learn, not to mention more powerful in every way.

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torsdag 12 maj 2022 kl. 07:47:49 UTC+2 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:15:24 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:10:54 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper recta wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 15:37:46 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2022 um 08:04:25 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 23:29:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> > > > > > > Eram semper recta schrieb am Sonntag, 8. Mai 2022 um 17:56:40 UTC+2:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > According to mainstream mythmaticians, h can never be zero.
> > > > > > > h can be zero if it is not in the denominator.
> > > > > > But h is in the denominator for a short time? Chuckle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before simplification h =/= 0 and after simplification h=0 is a contradiction.
> > > > > h is a shrinking sequence.
> > > > No, h neither shrinks nor expands. h is merely the horizontal distance between the endpoints of each non-parallel secant line.
> > > For any x and h pair, my historic geometric theorem holds:
> > >
> > > [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x) + Q(x,h)
> > >
> > > Nothing shrinks or expands ever.
> > > > >Therefore we can use two explanations:
> > > > You mean various forms of hand waving?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) h is never 0. But in 2x + h we can see what would happen if h was 0.
> > > > And we can also see what happens in the finite difference quotient [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h if h=0. It's undefined.
> > > > > 2) Put h = 0. Before simplification the result is the same, but not as easy to see.
> > > > It's easy to see that you can't put h=0 before the simplification but that taking limits of the sequence of finite differences [f(x+h_1)-f(x)]/h_1; [f(x+h_2)-f(x)]/h_2; ... gives you the derivative. Problem is that there is no finite difference that ever gives you the derivative.
> > > >
> > > > Also there is the fact that you have no systematic way of finding the derivative without actually doing a lot of bogus arithmetic (first principles method) and then in a circular fashion using the result in your limiting process.
> > > > > > To quote Anders Kaesorg (an MIT graduate whose ass I handed to him in a lengthy debate):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
> > > >
> > > > > It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)
> > For one who is constantly rejecting infinity and using it in his FISON arguments, it's perplexing that you would even quote such garbage as:
> >
> > "a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx." - Euler
> >
> > So now you reject infinity, but infinitesimal is okay? Chuckle.
> > > > Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
> > > >
> > > > Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+... &c.
> > > >
> > > > 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
> > > >
> > > > If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.
> > > >
> > > > In effect, you acknowledge Euler's delusional claim that there exists an n such that 0 = 1/n.
> > > >
> > > > According to Euler S(n)=(1/3)[1-10^(-n)] and S(oo)=1/3 <-> 0.333... = 1/3.
> > > >
> > > > Are you refusing to admit you're wrong because you are ashamed or just plain stupid?
> As a result of my historic theorem, it turns out that it's valid to simply throw away all the terms in h because these denote the difference in slope between the non-parallel secant line and the tangent line.
>
> However, my theorem never allows h to be 0 even though setting h=0 is equivalent.
>
> Your flawed mainstream approach allows h to be 0 for some time and you can't provide any rationale for why the first principles method as you have been taught in the mainstream actually works just fine without your circular limit theory.

You are still too stupid to understand what circular means.

>
> Had Newton and Berkeley known about my theorem, there would never have been any publication called "The Analyst" and no bullshit in the 19th century claiming that calculus was made rigorous - a pathetic joke.

It is very rigorous, unlike your shit. Newton and the gang were way smarter than you have ever been.

>
> All the same, my historic theorem shows why your mainstream calculus is a BIG LIE and a fraud of galactic proportions, but my New Calculus is elegant and easier to learn, not to mention more powerful in every way.

Yet fails doing derivatives for many functions and points that calculus can do.

That means it is weaker

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Eram semper recta schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2022 um 07:10:54 UTC+2:
> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper

> > > h is a shrinking sequence.
> > No, h neither shrinks nor expands.

My h is a shrinking sequence!

> > > > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
> >
> > > It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)
> > Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
> >
> > Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+... &c.
> >
> > 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
> >
> > If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.

Not everything Euler said must be false because he made a mistake.

Regards, WM

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 by: Eram semper recta - Thu, 12 May 2022 16:52 UTC

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 16:12:45 UTC+3, WM wrote:
> Eram semper recta schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2022 um 07:10:54 UTC+2:
> > On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper
> > > > h is a shrinking sequence.
> > > No, h neither shrinks nor expands.
> My h is a shrinking sequence!

Are you lost in a universe of alternate facts? I just told you that h does not shrink or expand. For every non-parallel secant line there is a *unique* h and my identity holds:

[f(x+h)-f(x)]/h = f'(x) + Q(x,h)

> > > > > "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
> > >
> > > > It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)
> > > Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
> > >
> > > Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+... &c.
> > >
> > > 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
> > >
> > > If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.
> Not everything Euler said must be false because he made a mistake.

Of course, but I did not claim "everything". I am pointed out to you that the expression "The infinite quantity a/dx2 is infinitely greater than a/dx" is absolute rot.

You've yet to provide anything that resembles a sound argument as to why you think the way that you do. Your responses are incoherent and contradictory in many senses.

>
> Regards, WM

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 by: sergio - Thu, 12 May 2022 16:52 UTC

On 5/12/2022 8:12 AM, WM wrote:
> Eram semper recta schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2022 um 07:10:54 UTC+2:
>> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:08:37 UTC+3, Eram semper
>
>>>> h is a shrinking sequence.
>>> No, h neither shrinks nor expands.
>
> My h is a shrinking sequence!

wrong! your h is a letter, that is all.

>
>>>>> "We never ever ever divide by h. That is absolutely not allowed, and the definition excludes that possibility, as it needs to."
>>>
>>>> It depends. a/dx2 quantitas infinita infinities maior quam a/dx. (Euler)
>>> Seriously? You're quoting the same idiot who claimed that S = Lim S:
>>>
>>> Daher ist uns Bruch 1/(1+a) gleich dieser unendlichen Reihe 1-a+aa-aaa+... &c.
>>>
>>> 0.333... (S) = 1/3 (Lim S) where S=0.333... and Lim S = 1/3.
>>>
>>> If you accept "quantitas infinita", then you can also accept that "0 = 1/oo" - another gem by the same idiot you quoted.
>
> Not everything Euler said must be false because he made a mistake.

Euler did not make a mistake, Mr Rectum forged a mistake on one of Eulers papers, and was caught by many in this forum doing that.

>
> Regards, WM

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 by: Sergio - Sun, 24 Jul 2022 15:53 UTC

On 4/24/2022 5:14 AM, WM wrote:
> sergio schrieb am Samstag, 23. April 2022 um 21:46:03 UTC+2:
>
>> if dark numbers existed, how would you know ?
>
> We can reach omega by collectively treating the natural numbers
>
> {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = {omega} ,
>
> but not by individually treating them. For all definable n we get
>
> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n} = {n+1, n+2, ..., omega} .
>
> This proves the existence of numbers which can only be treated collectively. I call them dark numbers.
>
> Regards, WM
>

in above, "treating" means "neutering"

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 by: Sergio - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 02:14 UTC

On 7/24/2022 10:53 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 5:14 AM, WM wrote:
>> sergio schrieb am Samstag, 23. April 2022 um 21:46:03 UTC+2:
>>
>>> if dark numbers existed, how would you know ?
>>
>> We can reach omega by collectively treating the natural numbers
>>
>> {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = {omega} ,
>>
>> but not by individually treating them. For all definable n we get
>>
>> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n} = {n+1, n+2, ..., omega} .
>>
>> This proves the existence of numbers which can only be treated collectively. I call them dark numbers.
>>
>> Regards, WM
>>
>
> in above, "treating" means "neutering"
>

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 by: Sergio - Sun, 7 Aug 2022 14:39 UTC

On 7/30/2022 9:14 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/24/2022 10:53 AM, Sergio wrote:
>> On 4/24/2022 5:14 AM, WM wrote:
>>> sergio schrieb am Samstag, 23. April 2022 um 21:46:03 UTC+2:
>>>
>>>> if dark numbers existed, how would you know ?
>>>
>>> We can reach omega by collectively treating the natural numbers
>>>
>>> {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = {omega} ,
>>>
>>> but not by individually treating them. For all definable n we get
>>>
>>> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n} = {n+1, n+2, ..., omega} .
>>>
>>> This proves the existence of numbers which can only be treated collectively. I call them dark numbers.
>>>
>>> Regards, WM
>>>
>>
>> in above, "treating" means "neutering"
> >
>

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 by: Sergi o - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:15 UTC

On 4/24/2022 5:14 AM, WM wrote:
> sergio schrieb am Samstag, 23. April 2022 um 21:46:03 UTC+2:
>
>> if dark numbers existed, how would you know ?
>
> We can reach omega by collectively treating the natural numbers
>
> {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = {omega} ,
>
> but not by individually treating them. For all definable n we get
>
> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: {1, 2, 3, ..., omega} \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n} = {n+1, n+2, ..., omega} .
>
> This proves the existence of numbers which can only be treated collectively. I call them dark numbers.
>
> Regards, WM
>

WHAT ??

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Cantor can't count to infinity...
Even if he could use a computer.
of course he can't...

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: zelos...@gmail.com - Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:41 UTC

fredag 23 september 2022 kl. 22:36:23 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> Cantor can't count to infinity...
> Even if he could use a computer.
> of course he can't...
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
no one counts to it you fucking retard

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 26 Sep 2022 11:27 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com laid this down on his screen :
> Cantor can't count to infinity...
> Even if he could use a computer.
> of course he can't...

So he hired Chuck Norris to do it for him.

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 by: Fritz Feldhase - Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:10 UTC

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 7:41:15 AM UTC+2, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> fredag 23 september 2022 kl. 22:36:23 UTC+2 skrev mitchr...@gmail.com:
> >
> > Cantor can't count to infinity...
> > Even if he could use a computer.
> > of course he can't...
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> >
> no one counts to it you fucking retard

Chuck Norris did - twice!

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