On Jan 15, 2022 at 2:33:54 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<6ywEJ.252174$onI5.121028@fx13.ams1>:

> On 15/01/2022 02:12, Snit wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 2022 at 3:56:56 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <YcnEJ.19849$0Kl7.15483@fx11.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 14/01/2022 20:30, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jan 14, 2022 at 12:32:00 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <QckEJ.134361$%Gk6.8512@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/01/2022 18:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2022 at 3:29:45 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <ugcEJ.447113$SVq5.273563@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/01/2022 04:45, LegionX wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Brooks <David@geemail.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The author of Irok-10000, who calls himself Raid, also wrote the HLL
>>>>>>>>> Toadie.7800 virus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayep. That's his too. We aren't disputing any of this David...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the tech details on Toadie
>>>>>>>> <https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/toadie.shtml>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Toadie is a relocating virus-worm. It is encrypted and non-memory
>>>>>>>> resident. This virus was posted to several newsgroups as a cell
>>>>>>>> phone cloning application on 15th of August 1999. The virus was
>>>>>>>> in CELLCRK.ZIP file. When the CELLCRK.EXE program that was inside
>>>>>>>> that ZIP is run it displays a rhyme and a copyright string of
>>>>>>>> Symantec.
>>>>>>>> TECHNICAL DETAILS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When activated the virus searches for EXE files and infects them
>>>>>>>> (50-100 at a time for Toadie.7800 version). This might cause a
>>>>>>>> considerable decrease of perfomance on DOS-based and slow Windows
>>>>>>>> systems. The delay after an infected file is run and before the
>>>>>>>> original file code gets control can be up to 20 seconds if no
>>>>>>>> disk cache program is installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The virus infects DOS and Windows EXE files files the same way.
>>>>>>>> The 7800 bytes (or other length depending on virus version) from
>>>>>>>> original file beginning are relocated to the end of the file and
>>>>>>>> encrypted by the virus. The virus writes 7800 bytes of its code
>>>>>>>> which is a DOS program (with EXE header) itself to infected file
>>>>>>>> beginning thus converting any Windows program to DOS format. When
>>>>>>>> any infected DOS or Windows program is run, virus code gets
>>>>>>>> control first, infects more EXE files on hard disk(s) and then
>>>>>>>> passes control to the original file code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The virus has an ability to spread itself through IRC networks. On
>>>>>>>> infected system the virus modifies settings of IRC client (mIRC)
>>>>>>>> and creates TOADIE.EXE file. This file is sent [DCC] by an
>>>>>>>> infected user to anyone who is joining any IRC channel the user
>>>>>>>> is on at the moment. The virus also can replace unsent message
>>>>>>>> contents in Outbound folder of Pegasus Mail. In this case the
>>>>>>>> virus executable will be sent out instead of an original outgoing
>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 1.1 version of this virus contains several internal text
>>>>>>>> strings and rhymes. They are output only once when the virus
>>>>>>>> starts from a dropper (that is 1 byte longer than the virus
>>>>>>>> body):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There once was a bud named B.C. He grew on a 7 foot tree Till one
>>>>>>>> day I plucked him Rolled him and smoked him And now I can barely
>>>>>>>> see! dia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ladiesa nd gentlemen, I stand before you to stand behind you to
>>>>>>>> tell you something I know nothing about. Thursday, which is Good
>>>>>>>> Friday, we're having a Father's Day party for mother's only.
>>>>>>>> Admission is free, pay at the door, pull out a chair and sit on
>>>>>>>> the floor. Late one night in the middle of the day, two dead
>>>>>>>> soldiers got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other,
>>>>>>>> pulled out their swords and shot one another. A deaf policeman
>>>>>>>> heard the noise, got up and shot the twice dead boys. If you
>>>>>>>> don't believe me, ask the blind man who saw it all, through a
>>>>>>>> knothole in a wooden brick wall. Question: If someone with
>>>>>>>> multiple personalities tries to commit suicide, do the police
>>>>>>>> consider it a hostage situation? One bong hit, Two bong hit,
>>>>>>>> Three bong hit, Floor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 7800 bytes long virus version is a very fast infector. Within
>>>>>>>> several minutes all EXE files will be infected. From 3:00pm to
>>>>>>>> 5:00pm the virus 'sleeps' - doesn't replicate. Infected files do
>>>>>>>> not work after 9:00pm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The virus also displays a copyright message if current minutes are
>>>>>>>> equal to
>>>>>>>> 17.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes David you've *destroyed* snits description of Gremlin by
>>>>>>>> sharing what you did for the purposes of attacking him over code
>>>>>>>> that was written years before he ever heard of you. This reply
>>>>>>>> containing details of his Toadie virus haven't helped snit
>>>>>>>> either. You're welcome. Asshat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You write as if you are PROUD of the harm that was done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nil Point (said with a French accent)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any evidence Gremlin actually wrote these, or if he did have a hand in them
>>>>>> did so alone? Those who really do such work might use someone who wants to
>>>>>> brag to be able to pin it on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've said elsewhere, I am 100% sure that Dustin J. Cook wrote and
>>>>> published his viruses without outside help. He was a complete loner back
>>>>> then.
>>>>
>>>> Seems likely that is the type person a real virus writer would work to help
>>>> hide their work. Find someone with a desire to be a "big shot" and take credit
>>>> as they ride off into the sunset. Seems Gremlin did not get in much trouble
>>>> with the law, but he could have.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is because the law didn't catch him that I came to Usenet to bring
>>> him to his senses!
>>>
>> You will fail.
>
>
> Leopards changing spots?
>
> Sadly, you are probably right. :-(
>
> It's been fun trying though.

And it makes sense to try. I know I give people chance after chance after
chance. It seems the right thing to do even when the chance of success is
small.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.