On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
> > On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid..org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
> >>>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
> >>>>>>> fire-risk in
> >>>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
> >>>>>>> wasted if
> >>>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
> >>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
> >>>>
> >>>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
> >>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
> >>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
> >>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
> >>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
> >>>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
> >>>
> >>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> >>> 13 Amps!
> >>
> >> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.
> >
> > Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown..
> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
> >>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
> >>>>
> >>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> >>>
> >>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
> >>>
> >>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
> >>
> >> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
> >> coming loose.
> >
> > It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
which was earthed.

> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
> >
> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
> >
> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
> >
> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
> I have fuses :-)

I do too and thinking of updating

> >>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >>>>
> >>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
> >>>
> >>> A bit like being retired - like me!
> >>
> >> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years..
> >
> > I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
> > of just 55?
> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.

> >>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
> >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
> >>>>>>> timeline
> >>>>>>> and the group which I run.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
> >>>>>> kills far more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
> >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
> >>>>>> time. If
> >>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
> >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
> >>>
> >>> Understood. Thanks.
> >>
> >> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
> >
> > Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)

>
> But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).
> >>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
> >>>>>>>>>>> holidays
> >>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> front
> >>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
> >>>>>>>>>>> internet,
> >>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
> >>>>>>>>>> speed
> >>>>>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
> >>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> warn you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
> >>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
> >>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
> >>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
> >>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
> >>>>
> >>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
> >>>
> >>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
> >>> vehicles on the road.
> >>
> >> If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
> >> could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.
> >
> > We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
> > like a train!
> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.

That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
I know in F1 cars can be 6 inches apart and be doing 200MPH but they have really good brakes and drivers.
I wouldn't have thought a couple of volvos doing a ~70 MPH and if one hit the brakes the other could stop within 2 metre social distancing.
One day perhaps if boy have driverless mode and communicat with each other.

> >>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> >>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> >>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> >>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> >>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
> >>>
> >>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
> >>
> >> And delegate?
> >
> > Yes, that too!
> >
> > Remember the adage that I was taught.
> >
> > 'Tis the duty of a wealthy man to enlist the services of an artisan.
> >
> > In truth though:-
> >
> > Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
> > Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
> > It is the business of the wealthy man
> > To give employment to the artisan.
> >
> > Hilaire Belloc
> This is why people shouldn't grumble about rich folk, as they spend that money much faster than anyone else. The moaners should just go work for them, or make things they want to buy.

For me it depends on how they get rich. Don't really want to bring back slavery

> >>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
> >>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
> >>>
> >>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
> >>
> >> I have never driven slowly at any age and never will, unless a pig is
> >> watching.
> >
> > GOD is watching you - ALWAYS!
> He hasn't told me off yet, he might be a boy racer. Imagine god was a loud mouthed teenager, and we're all inside a game he's playing on a computer.

Like carmeggedon.

> >>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
> >>>
> >>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
> >>> underway - travelling forwards!
> >>
> >> A handbrake turn is better under those circumstances. Unfortunately I
> >> usually own a car without a functional handbrake. Apart from the
> >> aforementioned manoeuvre, I'm not sure what they're for, I just park in
> >> gear.
> >
> > You really are nuts!
> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.

I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill. Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
without the drivers or owners permission.

> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >>>>>> gravity.
> >>>>
> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >>>
> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >>
> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >
> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?

and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde

> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
> >
> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.

I do the same with students.

>
> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).

I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
> >>>>>> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
> >>>>>> to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've
> >>>>>> had
> >>>>>> it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That warrants a photograph!
> >>>>
> >>>> It is under many things in the shed.
> >>>
> >>> Isn't that just typical?!!! You made it sound as if you STILL ride a
> >>> bike! ;-)
> >>
> >> I used to, then decided running was more fun than cycling when doing it
> >> for fun, and driving was more convenient and efficient when doing it to
> >> get somewhere. I can't see the point of bikes unless we run out of oil..
> >
> > You might need it again sooner than you think! Lets hope not, though.
> >
> > Stay safe and well!
> If I get less well I will not be cycling.
>
> We will run out of Lithium.....