On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 00:00:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 14:55:53 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> >> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid..org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
> >> >>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
> >> >>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
> >> >>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
> >> >>
> >> >> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
> >> >
> >> > Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
> >> > but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
> >> > aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
> >> > not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
> >> > you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
> >> > warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
> >> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> >> 13 Amps!
> >
> > That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
> > and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
> > on a double outlet.
> "Probably won't happen" is no reason to put a potential fire in your house.

Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most houses don't have enough sockets
and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have 3 extra sockets to use some have more.

> > Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
> > I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
> > A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.
> People plug in fanheaters everywhere.

So, but I doubt more than 2 or 3 are running at the same time.

> >> >> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >> >> wife is doing the ironing.
> >> >
> >> > The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> >> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
> >>
> >> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
> >
> > Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
> > In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.
> Is this acceptable to you?
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wuhy3rnur87yrz9/s-l1600.jpg?dl=0

Looks a bit risky what would happen if you plugged 5 fan heaters in.
Strange that so many are off too.

> >> > The earth leakage ones
> >> > hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
> >> > disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
> >> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
> >> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
> >> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
> >> > it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
> >> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
> >> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
> >> > argument or two.
> >> >
> >> > [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.
> >
> > Not by those that know what they are doing.
> And you expect a woman in the kitchen to know about earths?
> > >Consider you touch
> >> > a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
> >> > get a slight tingle or not even feel it.
> >
> > Depending on how it is dameged.
> Doesn't matter, the point is there is a live wire to touch. Best not to have an earth to go with it.
Best if the earth touches the live wire before a person does that's the point.

> >> But now imagine your knee is
> >> > touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
> >> > knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
> >> > safety device.
> >> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
> >
> > But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
> > That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.
> Not if the bare live wasn't touching the machine. A damaged flex is likely in a kitchen. Touch that and the earthed machine and you get a lot of current through you.
A damaged flex is likely to short yhe live to the earth blowing the fuse or cutout that's the point.

> >> >>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon..
> >> >>
> >> >> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >> >
> >> > I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.
> >
> > Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.
> Doesn't work with indoor lighting.

It does, but like everything else it can be overruled to some extent.

> >> I get up when
> >> > ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
> >
> > Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
> Is English please?

I went to bed just after

> >> > The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
> >> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
> >> vehicles on the road.
> >
> > Too many people wanting to go from A-B
> If they went twice as fast, twice as many cars could do so.

Doesn;t work like that. As people have to stop a turn and slow down.
Then more people would start traveling.

> >> > I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
> >> > overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
> >> > signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
> >> > more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
> >> > - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
> >
> > But does that mean you have to travel faster.
> > I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
> > in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH
> No, but they would do well to go 40 instead of 20.

Facts show that doesn't work too well.

> And actually acceleration is good for cutting in front of the slower drivers.
Good brrakes are handy too, and a driver withy a brain is even better.

> I overtook a BMW on the roundabout the other day, and surprisingly they didn't get angry. Most BMW drivers do. They were in the wrong lane, I was in the correct lane. So I drove faster and they had to slam on their brakes. Not many people get the correct lane there - the highway code is very clear.. If there are two lanes entering a roundabout, the left lane is used for going straight ahead unless otherwise marked. So many people think thee left lane is only for going left.
> >> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
> >
> > I'd be up for that.
> >
> >> >>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
> >> >>> because they find driving difficult.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
> >> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
> >
> > Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
> > drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.
> Delete the last sentence and I agree.
> >> >>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
> >> >>
> >> >> I would if you were going forwards!
> >> >
> >> > I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
> >> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
> >> underway - travelling forwards!
> >
> > How about a donut /Doughnut
> I'll only do one if you spell it correctly and pay for the tyres.

No idea how to spell it , seems to be country dependant.
Why care about tyres as they also wear out quicker if you drive faster.