On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>> >> >> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
>> >> >> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>> >> >> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> >> >> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> >> >> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > geoff
>> >> >> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
>> >> >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
>> >> >> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
>> >> >> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
>> >> >> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
>> >> > I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
>> >> > having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
>> >> > that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
>> >> > I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
>> >> Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more easily without breaking the flowers.
>> >> > If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
>> >> A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!
>> >
>> > Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
>> > I've never needed to do it.
>> Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who fells trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.
>> >> And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?
>> >
>> > No idea never had one.
>> Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.
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> Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.

Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.

>> >> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
>> >> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
>> >> >
>> >> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
>> >> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
>> >> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
>> > Most people stand on this planet called earth.
>> No, most are on a non-conducting floor,
>
> Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
> Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.

Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.

>> or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
>> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
>> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
>> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
>> If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.
>
> Can be but mostly make things safer.

I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are not earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?

>> It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.
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> It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.

A lot of American outlets have no switch!

>> And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.
>
> Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.

No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most likely start up again.

>> Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the ladder.
> That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.

Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.

>> You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.
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> Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.

Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.

>> They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.
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> Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.

It is safe if it's kept away from your head.

>> >> > But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
>> >> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.
>> >
>> > But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
>> > Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
>> > One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
>> > Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
>> If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.
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> But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.

So he would have noticed the smoke before the alarm did.