On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 5:47:41 AM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 1:17:17 AM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 9:06:47 AM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 10:12:46 PM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 8:13:17 AM UTC-5, Tim Lang wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13.02.2022 12:51, Daud Deden wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Entrench/entrance/internal/endura-ndula under
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Entre entour into(r)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I) INTER/INTRA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entre < Latin inter "between"/"among"/"in the midst of", along with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > preposition & adverb intra (from intera) "inside/within, in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interior" &c.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inter's kinship, inter alia: Engl. under, Germ. unter, Goth undar,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanscrit antar.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara.bangsa@Mly: inter.national
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Induerre@Ltn: to put on, interlay?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (ii) INDURARE, INDURAT-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas endur- is something else: Latin in- + duro, indurare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "(getting, making etc) hard, dure" ("making dour"); compare Latin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > durus, dura, durum "hard; rough", which > French dur/-e and vb.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > endurer, Ital duro. Cf. Sanscr. daruna "hard, rough".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ngduatlua ngDuAtLU(n)A ngDUatLA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Induerre@Ltn: to put on durable skin/rough outerwear/shield-shell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forms: indurare, induravi, past participle as adjective induratus,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indurata, induratum (e.g. "hardened"). Hence duress, dour ("harsh,"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "stern), endure/-ing, -ance; Ital. grano duro "durum wheat" &c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (esp in Romance languages, with even more meanings, e.g. in Romanian
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > îndurare "mercy", i.e. begging for it, getting it).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > French/English/Hispanic en-/em- are mere new Romance forms for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latin in-, namely in western areas of the Romance world ("Romania").
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (iii) DURARE, DURATIO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the other, related, "family" based on Latin durare with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a primordial meaning referring to time: hence Engl. "duration".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Endura@Mbuti: the people within the home = family intergenerational
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Etxe@Bsq: the people within the home = family intergenerational
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (iv) UNDA, UNDULAT-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > OTOH, undulatus, undulata, undulatum "making/having/showing waves-like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something", <= Lat. unda "wave". Unda & undula have nothing to do with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indur- > endur-. Unda's IE kinship: Sanscr. ud-, und-, referring to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being "wet", hence, uda "water;" Old Engl. ydhu "wave"; Slav. voda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "water"; Greek ὕδωρ, ὑάδες (compare Latin udor); Goth. vatō "water";
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc, incl. Gr. & "international": (h)ydr-a/o-. For Lat. unda: Hispania
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romance and Italian onda, French onde, Romanian unda, Lithuanian udens
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > atl@Azt: water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > *wahir@OMly: water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (njamb)uangduatlua ATL UNDA WAngd(H)iA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (v) TRENCH - trancher, tranchier, tranche
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > entrench is made of prefix en- + word: trench < French trenchier "to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cut" > trench ("ditch");
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Drainage {s}Tren(it)ch D(ren)itch .s.trict/s.ect/intersect/interest/spec.ies Streams cut through land
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tranche "portion, section" of sth., from Fr.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trancher "cut a slice (etc)" > even in German tran(s)chieren "cut in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pieces: esp. boiled/roasted fowl", i.e. "to partition", to make por-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tions out of one <corpus>. And also the French-German notion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > die Tranche "installment/rate" ie, "part of a series of actions,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > esp. in payments" (pay/ment installment).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, great. Add this:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sevivon@Hbr: swing/swivel, Semitic root sbb ("to turn")
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vibra.te/wobble/{xyUAmBuatL}/w.eb(b)/weave(over-under/ndula)/wavy/undula
> > > > > > > > > > > > Quibble
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Seems obvious to me that the derived forms mentioned above stemmed from the root familiarity of the family shelter, its texture, its form, its construction traits. If you are weaving wicker into a shelter, you can't use hand gestures to communicate, but you can vocalize freely, and vice versa. The word Unda came not from the sea but from the over-under handweaving of twigs to make a durable family home with a roomy interior, ndula, imo.
> > > > > > > > > > > Initially, only words relative to early human interactions existed. Mountains, rivers, sun/moon evolved from more basal terms.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > To cut is to enter between. Endura/ndula in two, en- duo, in- dual. To enter between the shield and the ground, thus interior
> > > > > > > > > > > En- trench, entre-
> > > > > > > > > > > Entrance ~ entrench
> > > > > > > > > > Malay ascend/descend naik/turun
> > > > > > > > > > To enter domeshield, one tilted it up and descended into the center
> > > > > > > > > > EnDURa-nDULa/inTERNa/TURuN
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, 'center' reflects a po.inter which enters a t.ent as a NeeDLE (NDuLA), or skin as a spl.INTeR.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > center (n.)
> > > > > > > > > > late 14c., "middle point of a circle; point round which something revolves," from Old French centre (14c.), from Latin centrum "center," originally the fixed point of the two points of a drafting compass (hence "the center of a circle"), from Greek kentron "sharp point, goad, sting of a wasp," from kentein "stitch," from PIE root *kent- "to prick" (source also of Breton kentr "a spur," Welsh cethr "nail," Old High German hantag "sharp, pointed").
> > > > > > > > > When the Mbuti and Baka women build their mong(u/o)lu dome huts they gather ngongo leaves for shingles, they slit the woody stems clothespin-like and hang them from the wicker frame. What are their terms for this? Pin? (M/b)end? P.ndula?(pendulum) dalam@Mly: inside vs diluar: outside; pintu@Mly: frame-hung door. Undula wavy weaving.
> > > > > > > > > Need word lists!!
> > > > > > > > I've found none of Pygmy words.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pin, needle, arrow, dart, thorn, spine in Aztec
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thorn maguey spine; thorn: huitztli
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > their spine; their thorn: inhitzio
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > huitzmallotl azt: sewing needle
> > > > > > > > iztitl nail
> > > > > > > > arrow; bolt; dart; spear mitl
> > > > > > > > arrow; dart; reed acatl
> > > > > > > > peg , stake: tlaxichtli
> > > > > > > > Gate: otl
> > > > > > > > they hang it: quipipiloa
> > > > > > > Thus possibly Azt used -itzi/-izti/-ichtli to mean po.int.er, rather than inte-/endu-ra.
> > > > > > > Note that the Aztecs had migrated far from the tropical forests of central Africa, and used various materials for their shelters.
> > > > > > Basque ezten sting, izten awl
> > > > > > Azt iztitl nail
> > > > > > Basque azkazal nail
> > > > > > Azt acatl arrow dart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basque Oscol treebark, shell
> > > > > > Basque sabel belly (Xy)uA(m)BELe
> > > > > > > Igloo@Innuit and mongolu@Mbuti both retain the original sense and sound of "enclose/enclothe", igloo has no aboveground doorway, thus is closer to the original domeshield enclosure. Mongolu may have replaced (ua)ngolu when doorway & hearth were added, changing the transportable domeshield-coracle to the sedentary dome hut. This would explain why a coracle in India is called harigolu, not harimongolu, people had moved from Africa to India *before* inventing dome huts with internal hearths cf Mount Toba.
> > > > Cwrwgl@Welsh: coracle
> > > > Corita: coracle/bullboat used on Colorado River by Amerindians (via Spn corona/cordita?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still searching for the words used by the Pygmy women to describe their leaf pinning.
> > > > > !ai @ !kung San bushmen, Ju/wasi "!ai" digging stick
> > > > >
> > > > > Tschu @ The dome grass hut or "tshu", such as those of the Ju/wasi (San "bushmen") is probably one of the oldest shelters used by humans
> > > > >
> > > > > <https://books.google.nl/books?id=rtHR8_gK_WwC&lpg=PA164&hl=nl&pg=PA14#v=
> > > Loom as noun and verb appear to link as up and down/over-under motion of weaving/waving of ships
> > >
> > > Compare (mon)golu to geloma/lama/loom and harigolu@Indic: coracle weaving, as finger-hand-needle tool, also cf pendulum cf penis, pintu-pintle-s..pin
> > >
> > > loom (n.)
> > > weaving machine, early 13c. shortening of Old English geloma "utensil, tool," from ge-, perfective prefix, + -loma, an element of unknown origin (compare Old English andloman (plural) "apparatus, article of furniture"). Originally "implement or tool of any kind" (as in heirloom); thus, "the penis" (c. 1400-1600). Specific meaning "a machine in which yarn or thread is woven into fabric" is from c. 1400.
> > >
> > > loom (v.)
> > > 1540s, "to come into view largely and indistinctly," of uncertain origin. According to OED perhaps from a Scandinavian or Low German source (compare dialectal Swedish loma, East Frisian lomen "move slowly"), which is perhaps from the root of lame (adj.). Early used also of ships moving up and down. Figurative use from 1590s. Related: Loomed; looming
> > Interesting that loom as referred to ships moving (only) up and down not forward or right/left, which is exactly what coracles do:
> >
> > https://images.app.goo.gl/xaB7StBarPLq72Xz6
> >
> > Also interesting, coracle as boat, backpack, bucket/basket, shelter/domeshield...is it really believable that it was independently invented just a few thousand years ago in Celtic Britain, Basque Spain, Herakles Greece, Mesopotamia, India, Vietnam, Tibet, North Dakota, Colorado, and nobody thought of it before then?
> >
> > Etymology
> > Related to Welsh corwgl, Irish curach, corrach (“boat”) and Cornish gorhel (“ship”), from Proto-Celtic *kurukos (“boat”).
> >
> > (This etymology is missing or incomplete. Please add to it, or discuss it at the Etymology scriptorium. Particularly: “Is it related to currach?”)
> >
> > [DD: they do not know. Cwrwgl = kupharigolu
> >
> > kufa: Arab coracle
> >
> > gophar/teba: Hebrew ark (Moses's basket, Noah's ark, Sargon's ship, David's ark of the covenant {pre-rectified}))
> >
> > harigolu: Indian coracle
> >
> > Kuphos: Greek cup]
> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves
>
> GM: I am interested in human evolution.
>
> DD: Did ancient Homo sleep in sand castles, or underwater like whales, or back floating like sea otters, or in sea caves like super furred sea lions, or in coco palms like coconut crabs or tucked in giant clamshells like little mermaids? Imaginary..
>
> Or,
>
> did they sleep like nearly all real human people today, under rain-shedding sun-shading roofs?
>
> GM: Domeshields appear to have nothing whatsoever to do with why we are different from the other apes..
>
> DD: Non sequitur. No other great hominoids construct anything like them, but do sleep in hand-woven arboreal bowl nests with resulting convergent derived traits not seen in humans, gibbons or monkeys eg. short backs, short legs, quadrupedal ground knucklewalk locomotion. Chromosome inversion => domicile inversion. QED.
>
> Also, iirc, some East African people slept under sea turtle carapaces sometimes.
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I didn't see the Chris Knight zoomcast, but watched his older videos, my response to his contention that apes do not speak because they live in a brute environment, while humans speak because we live in a virtual environment:

Language is a tool used in a "virtual environment", yes. Among great apes, there are two home environments: a handwoven arboreal bowl nest to sit on, used by furry gorillas, chimps & orangs; and a handwoven terrestrial domed roof (domeshield, predecessor of the dome hut) to sit under, used by archaic humans, which is the virtual environment where language originated. This inverted bowl domeshield (sunshade rainshed bug resistant predator resistant cold resistant) resulted from the chromosome inversion separating humans from arboreal apes 5ma. DDeden

WHAT talks on human language by Anthropologist Chris Knight