On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 5:29:48 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 5:15:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:16:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2021 3:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 11:28:40 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 1:27:18 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 10:15 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Now that companies are firing employees that refuse to get
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and universities are expelling students that refuse to get
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (other than those that have a valid medical reason for
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> refusing), the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> percentages will start to rise in the U.S..
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, possibly, if we are really lucky. BUT, even if the vaccination
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> rises due to the threats, it will be a miniscule minimal amount. 0.1%
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> each month or so. As you state we are at 56.3% fully vaccinated now.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If my 0.1% is accurate, it will take 15 years 7 months to reach that
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> mythical herd immunity percentage of 75%. 1 million, 2 million, 3
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> million more dead people? From a disease that is easily prevented
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with an available vaccine. Is that winning?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Except it's not prevented by the available vaccine. CDC agrees that
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccinated people can and do become infected and do spread
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the disease.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The "mythical" herd immunity vaccination threshold is indeed mythical,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there is no reason to think that covid would vanish even at 100%
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> vaccination.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Successful human vaccines, such as smallpox, polio, measles, mumps,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pertussis, &c produce "sterilizing immunity". The vaccinated do not
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> become infected. The available covid vaccines do not work this way and
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hence are not comparable. Leaky vaccines like those for covid
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> allow the
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> virus to continue to evolve among the vaccinated, which has given rise
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to at least one remarkably lethal viral disease in chickens. Do a
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> search for "Marek's disease".
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> +1
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Which is why I have avoided calling the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> products 'vaccine'. J&J is an actual vaccine of attenuated
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> virus.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> The mRNA jab promotes production of a blood-borne antibody.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> An antibody, one of the body's defenses, but only one..
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> This is an important aspect of human immune response and is
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> effective for the (sometimes fatal)
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> vascular/cardiac/respiratory damage caused by a combination
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> of the virus and cysteine response. It does not promote
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> production of respiratory/mucosa antibodies (found in
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 'natural' immunity) so you are exactly right. The mRNA shot
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> will likely keep you from dying but will not stop you from
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> contracting or spreading the CCP Wuhan product.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Natural immunity" isn't faring that well.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sars-cov-2-likely-study-finds
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Natural immunity and a vaccine appear to be the ticket, although one
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> would prefer to skip being sick to start with. No vaccine is 100% and
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> many are not effective forever. Flu vaccines are notoriously
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> ineffective, but we still take them, and they prevent some infections.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Who is this "we"? Patients in the US are able to choose whether to get
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> a flu shot or not. They should be able to make a choice with respect to
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> covid as well. For healthy young people the covid vaccine is almost
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> certainly more dangerous, (albeit fairly safe), than infection with covid.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Almost certainly? CDC says that vaccines are safer for young people
> >> >> >> >> >>>> than the disease, but maybe they are lying to us because they want
> >> >> >> >> >>>> to kill young people. Personally, I think we should be out to kill
> >> >> >> >> >>>> the old people to reduce the pressure on the SS/Medicare trusts.
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> I read Radey's comments too and wondered. I've seen lots of stories
> >> >> >> >> >>> about kids catching Covid and some of them dying. Especially in
> >> >> >> >> >>> Mississippi and other anti vaccine Republican states that outlaw
> >> >> >> >> >>> masks. But I guess they are only kids so what, who cares. They can't
> >> >> >> >> >>> vote and give me money so...
> >> >> >> >> >> If you have any numbers on kids, say below 18, dying *of* covid, that
> >> >> >> >> >> might be informative. Stories, in this day and age, are increasingly
> >> >> >> >> >> just that.
> >> >> >> >> > The deaths of EVERYONE under 25 is perfectly normal
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I didn't die at 25. Some close calls, but no.
> >> >> >> >> (yes, I have been called abnormal)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I remember crawling forward from the tail gunners position to the front
> >> cabin after a bomb run. I didn't know that in case we had shrapnel
> >> from the anti-aircraft that might have penetrated a bomb, they left
> >> the bomb doors open to air out the bays and dry the HE which was
> >> liquid. The shelf you had to crawl on was maybe 6" wide and the sides
> >> of the aircraft were circular so that it would tip you out and over he
> >> bomb bays and to move forward you would stick a finger in forward to
> >> where a lateral rib crossed over a for and aft rib. This left a space
> >> about the size of a finger and a half where you could maintain your
> >> balance.
> >> >> >> Tommy, by your own admission you are a liar. You have told us all
> >> >> >> about how you were a helper for a more skilled worker and how you and
> >> >> >> your mate fixed all those things that the "stars" couldn't fix and
> >> >> >> now, suddenly you have become a tail gunner.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As I have said, your stores might go over big with the other drunks
> >> >> >> down at the VFW but for somebody that actually was there you come
> >> >> >> across as just a silly fool, trying to tell everyone what a hero you
> >> >> >> were.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >For someone that is a real nobody - the crew chief on a bomber that never existed -
> >> you sure know a lot. You must have learned that entirely by intuition
> >> and not because you had superior enlisted men to teach you. It must
> >> have been wonderful to go from E1 to E7 overnight without the help of
> >> anyone else at any time.
> >> >> Hardly Tommy, it took me some years to "go from E1 to E7" but still I
> >> >> don't have to tell lies like you. A 19 year old gunner on a B-52, from
> >> >> your other posts been in the Air Force a whole year all ready.
> >> >>
> >> >> And the bombs leaking so we have to dry them out?
> >> >>
> >> >> I will say one thing Tommy, you do have a vivid imagination.
> >> >
> >> >What the hell are you talking about? What 19 year old tail gunner? You certainly are inventive.
> >> >
> >> >Explain why the B52 would leave the bomb bay doors open until we climbed up to 20,000 ft. You're inventive and as a crew chief of bomber certainly you know about bombs.
> >> Well Tommy this is a new one. Leaving the bomb doors open until the
> >> B-52 gets to 20,000 ft. And this is to dry the bombs out? Or have you
> >> got some other wild notion this morning?
> >>
> >> And it is rather strange that I was "around" B-52's for 10 years or
> >> more and have seen quite a number take off during that period... and
> >> not a single one had the bomb doors open on take off. In fact I've
> >> never seen a B-52 taxiing on the ground with the bomb doors open.
> >>
> >> And, how strange that the conventional bombs we used during the Korean
> >> escapade didn't require drying out, isn't it. Do you think that the
> >> Air Force developed some special sort of new leaky bombs just so Tommy
> >> could watch them dry?
> >>
> >> Tom, telling a small fib, or exaggeration, might be considered normal
> >> but rambling on and on about things that you, so obviously, know
> >> nothing at all, is ludicrous.
> >
> >John, keep showing everyone here that you think that bombs are made out of gunpowder,
> No, not gun powder. and who should know better then I? After all I've
> cut enough of them up and made bells out of them.

So you made a bell out of something that held HE in it? Aside from the fact that you're a liar - the shell of a bomb isn't heavy steel from which a bell would ring - residue from HE would blow your brains out if you started grinding on it.

Johnny, I will ask you again - what do you think that HE is? I would suggest that if you made bells out of something it was artillery shells which are fragmentation devices and hence very heavy steel. Bombs, at least those we used were not. They were explosive devices made to produce a large pressure wave to destroy the targets which in our case were missile sites.