On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:21:50 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/18/2022 10:32 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:07:10 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 14:15:35 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:32:27 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:42:12 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/surveillance-video-shows-bicyclist-struck-by-driver-in-west-loop/
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> >>>> Defunding the police has led to the preposterous end of enforcing traffic violations which could make up for the lost funds.
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> >>> I doubt any sane and rational person is against the police enforcing the laws properly. What some people are against is the police using made up nonsense to stop all black drivers. And then arresting or shooting them dead. And sense there is no policing of the police, the only way to prevent police abuse is to defund the police. No one monitors the police. They have free will to do anything they please. No one can hold them accountable because they have immunity from everything. So to prevent police abuse, you eliminate the police. Not exactly the best way to achieve the result of police abuse. Because you end up with less law enforcement. But you take the good with the bad. Less police lawbreakers, good, and more overall lawbreakers, bad.
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> >>> As for writing traffic tickets to get money, many many many police forces do this a lot. Its a big complaint against police. I am for enforcing the traffic laws. But if/when the police go the extra mile and use it as a means of enhancing their revenue and taking people's cars and property just because they can, then I am against this.
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> >> Your arguments are illogical, at best. Sure "police brutality" exists.
> >> but frequently it exists primarily in the mind of the oppressed. "But
> >> he hit me with a stick!" "And what were you doing when he hit you?"
> >> "Err... well I had my hand in his pocket. See... his wallet was stuck
> >> somehow and I couldn't get it out".
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> > Apparently John you have not been keeping up with what is happening in the USA. A few stories I recall. Police woman goes home to her apartment, or so she thought, and shoots the man in the apartment. Because he actually lived in the apartment. Police serving a warrant in Kentucky(?) break into a house and shoot a woman in her bedroom. Wrong house they served the warrant on. Oops. 3-4-5 cops on top of the black guy up in Minnesota, and choke him to death and he dies of suffocation. If you have that many cops sitting on top of the guy's back, do you really need to suffocate, choke him? Some big city, Chicago(?), where the suspect is running away from the cops and they shoot him 15 times in the back. And this suspect was not someone they had witnessed murder someone in front of their eyes. He was just someone they were chasing for some reason. Not saying he was not guilty. But unless someone is a murderer, are the police justified in shooting someone 15 times in the bac
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> >>>> I lived on what used to be a quiet road in a housing area
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> >>> Is this your momma's basement house or some other place you used to live?
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> >>>> that is now commonly used by heavy trucks as a short cut to another road when a road built heavily enough to take the loads is only one block away and there is a sign on the corner leading into this area that says "No Trucks". Also it is used as a race track by non-residents who speed through the series of stop signs. They had been taking the route through another road on block up from mine but they have now turned that road (which had been completely repaved 4 years ago) into nothing more than gravel. I went to a Valentine's Day brunch yesterday and was shocked, SHOCKED, to see that the CHP had pulled over a Lotus sports car. These guys typically drive 90-100 mph on the freeways with a 65 limit without a qualm or fear of a ticket. Local police are now forbidden to chase serious law breakers so they won't even chase escaping murderers hoping I suppose to get enough crime scene evidence to rate their living quarters afterwards rather than catch the actual inarguable perpetrator
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> >>> the weapon in his possession. Plus California juries are prone now to not believe a word that comes out of the mouth of a cop.
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> >>> As for not believing what a cop says, that is probably due to the fact in some instances there are videos of the police stop. And what the cop says and is written in the police report is 100% opposite of what the video shows. Do you believe what your eyes see, or what you hear from someone trying to convince you of something else.
> >> Well, obviously, as the police are worthless lying bastards the
> >> solution is to get rid of them. and, of course this will reduce taxes
> >> a bit so everyone will be happy. Right?
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> > No. As I somewhat clearly explained above. You need police to enforce the laws. Properly. Not improperly. And if you try to resolve the problem of police acting illegally by removing the funding for the police, then you kind of end up in the damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. No funding, no police, no police abuse, but also more crime by the criminals. Lot of police funding, more police abuse, and maybe less crime from criminals. Its kind of a choice whether you want the crimes committed by the police or by the criminals.
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> >> But, perhaps more to the point, I came across a study of some 93
> >> million stops and it showed that Black drivers were 20% more likely to
> >> be stopped then White drivers. And while it loudly acclaimed the fact
> >> that Black's were being stopped it quite coyly avoided the reasons for
> >> the stops. Was it a matter of "Hey Jake, there's a Jig-a-Boo in that
> >> car better stop him"? Or Hey, that car's going 50 mph over the speed
> >> limit, better stop him"?
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> > I suppose it also depends on your bias or views too. If you believe some people, certain races of people, are more prone to be criminals, then you can justify stopping 20% more blacks. Like the old saying, you rob banks because that is where the money is. So you stop, arrest, blacks because they are more likely to be criminals and guilty.
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> > 200 people. 100 black, 100 white. And because I am not a racist or have any preconceived notions, Ha Ha, I think criminality is universal. Equal criminals everywhere and amongst everyone. So 5 out of 100 blacks are criminal. And 5 out of 100 whites are criminal. But in the USA we have about double or triple the number of blacks in jail as whites. Given jailbirds per 100 population and racial census and such. In the USA there are far more blacks locked up than whites compared to how many there should be for the population of the races. In the USA we have 4 blacks locked up and 2 white locked up. Out of the 100 and 5 I mentioned above.
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> > Why? The number of criminals and criminal tendency is equal for the races. Is it because the police pick on the blacks more and stop their cars and arrest them more? So they get 4 out of the 5 criminals. But with the whites, heck, if we only get 2 out of the 5 criminals, that is plenty good enough. But is it? Shouldn't the police get 5 out of 5 criminals from both races? Or 2 out of 5 criminals from both races? Or 1 out of 5 criminals from both races? Parity? Equality in enforcing the laws?
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> You skipped over a lot of mitigating detail there.
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> The Houston officer Guyger had mistakenly gone to the wrong
> apartment in her building after a night shift and admitted
> it was an horrible tragic mistake. She was convicted and is
> in prison.
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> Ms Taylor was shot after her dope dealer boyfriend fired
> through a door at police who were looking for her
> ex-boyfriend, another dope dealer. Officer Hankison is on
> trial for recklessly and inexcusably firing the fatal round
> through the back wall of her apartment.
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> George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired
> about his having passed counterfeit currency. His companions
> all quietly waited as instructed and did not resist police
> inquiry. They are alive today. As he overdosed, he begins
> the 'I can't breathe' routine at initial conversation before
> any physical contact. Floyd violently resisted arrest, even
> smashing his way out of a police car twice after being
> handcuffed. Post mortem, he still had several lethal doses
> worth of undigested dope in his stomach. Take forty minutes
> to view the entire set of body cam footage. His death and
> the officer's conviction are not at all so clear as some
> believe.

John whose entire knowledge of the USA now is via Google wants to tell us all about conditions here. Then Russell is itching to play the race card and that ain't a bicycle race card. Either he isn't bright enough to actually investigate these claims of the left himself, or he is eager to lie about it.

The foolishness of these leftist morons is rather ridiculous. Russell in particular doesn't seem bright enough to know that in 38 years, the police have killed fewer people that the two and a half people murdered in Chicago by gangs every day so that Chicago gangs or Detroit or any of the other major cities now have far more murders in one to two years than the police have in 38. The sheer ignorance staggers the imagination. 13,000 people are killed on the freeways every year and these people want to tell us that a million people died of covid-19 after I showed CDC data that shows that less than 8,000 people did that that was all the way back in March and April of 2020. The group of leftists happily wants to proclaim Fauci king and get another booster despite more people have already died from the boosters than from the disease and 90% of those turning up on hospital doorways supposedly infected have been vaccinated.