On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 7:34:09 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 16:48:39 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:58:21 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:59:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 4/22/2022 11:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> On 4/22/2022 5:51 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >>>> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >>>>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
> >> >>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't attack
> >> >>>>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
> >> >>>>>>>>>> a number of
> >> >>>>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
> >> >>>>>>>>>> attack the officer
> >> >>>>>>>>>> or try to run away.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> at least from
> >> >>>>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
> >> >>>>>>>>>> that, Either
> >> >>>>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Why?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
> >> >>>>>>>>> village has a
> >> >>>>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
> >> >>>>>>>>> enforce the
> >> >>>>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
> >> >>>>>>>>> That's more than fine
> >> >>>>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
> >> >>>>>>>>> or more may get
> >> >>>>>>>>> you stopped.)
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
> >> >>>>>>>>> arrested here for
> >> >>>>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
> >> >>>>>>>>> being stopped
> >> >>>>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
> >> >>>>>>>>> warrant has drugs
> >> >>>>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> That's why.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
> >> >>>>>>>> should read,
> >> >>>>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
> >> >>>>>>>> should be "Black
> >> >>>>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> +1
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
> >> >>>>>> then one quite
> >> >>>>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
> >> >>>>>> what seems to
> >> >>>>>> be popular.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
> >> >>>>> annoying truth.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
> >> >>>> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
> >> >>>> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
> >> >>>> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> side note-
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
> >> >>>> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
> >> >>>> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
> >> >>>> man at that'.
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
> >> >>> "The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper
> >> >>> published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the
> >> >>> celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site
> >> >>> Decider.com.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander
> >> >>> Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under
> >> >>> the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor
> >> >>> was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was
> >> >>> owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid
> >> >>> format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million.
> >> >>> Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its
> >> >>> distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you
> >> >>> need some help. Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support. If
> >> >>> you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be
> >> >>> taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers. It says
> >> >>> "Bezos Exposes Pecker". With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his
> >> >>> girlfriend or wife. Fully clothed of course. Tell us Andy, does the
> >> >>> Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page?
> >> >>> Your main state newspaper. The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News
> >> >>> or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and
> >> >>> the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a
> >> >>> disagreement and did not call each other names. I am sure they did
> >> >>> have a divergence. I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK
> >> >>> disagreed on many matters too. But they still held to their core
> >> >>> principles.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> I saw Mr Newsome's interview in his own words (except the bleep) it on
> >> >> the radio early on WOR and later on WABC.
> >> >>
> >> >> Post has convenient non-paywall web links.
> >> >>
> >> >> You're welcome in that your only criticism is that you dislike the Post.
> >> >> I assume you share with me utter contempt for Mr Newsome and BLM generally.
> >> >
> >> >Let me agree with Mr. Muzi on part of this. I suppose most news outlets
> >> >have some editorial slant one way or other. (I've seen articles rating
> >> >that slant for dozens of news sources - although I'm sure those offended
> >> >by the ratings will call "bias!") And I do think the Post is not
> >> >particularly respectable as a source.
> >> >
> >> >However, not everything in the Post is wrong. Similarly, if a biased and
> >> >deluded maniac says "The sun is rising!" the sun may still be rising.
> >> But what is "Bias"? Is it, in some manner, a definitive measure of
> >> right and wrong? Or a matter of what a large number of people consider
> >> right and wrong, at this moment in time?
> >>
> >> Slavery, for example. A perfectly legal and accepted practice from
> >> earliest human history until `about` the 1800's, and now regarded with
> >> horror.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >Bias would be a leaning, slant, towards one side of a philosophy. Assuming there are only two sides to every idea.
> >
> >You mention slavery. It has been practiced and legal for thousands of years. But not everyone practiced it. Not everyone accepted it. There was always a large number of people against it. Same with drug use. Marijuana and hashish in particular. Commonly used by many up until about 100 years ago. Legal usage of drugs. And some of these illegal drugs are now being made legal again. Prostitution and whore houses. Very legal in most places around the world until somewhat recently. But still legal in Nevada and Amsterdam. Imagine that. Drugs and prostitutes, legal. Horror.
> "But not everyone practiced it. Not everyone accepted it"??
>
> Really? During what time period? The Roman Empire is pretty well
> documented and slavery was certainly accepted then, in fact part of
> the Legion's "pay", was in dividing the money gotten from selling
> enslaved enemy. It was written that when Julius Caesar conquered Gaul
> the numbers of slaves sold by the conquering Romans depressed the
> Mediterranean slave markets for several years.
>
> I think, if you look into it, that slavery became less acceptable as
> an economy became less dependent on agriculture. The U.S. Civil War
> was fought between the largely agricultural South and the rapidly
> becoming industrialized North.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Yes the changing economy of the world changed slavery. According to Google, 1803 Denmark Norway stopped trading in slaves. Not sure if that means they outlawed it in Denmark Norway or not. Maybe that was just the start to abolish it and the current slaves could still be kept as slaves. 1834 Britain abolished slavery in all its dominion. 1847 France abolished slavery in all its colonies. I'm guessing also in France proper too. Even the USA banned the importation of slaves beginning in 1808. Current and newly bred slaves were not impacted of course. But even by 1808, the slave promoters in the USA knew slavery was not popular.

As for the Civil War. Did any of the enlisted Confederates own slaves? I'd guess no. The Confederate politicians and officers owned slaves. But did any of the Confederate enlisted soldiers own slaves?

So I very much stand by my statements. Not everyone practiced it. The vast majority of the Confederate did not own any slaves. The vast majority of the population of Europe did not own slaves. And not everyone accepted it.. Early mid 1800s it was outlawed in Europe. 1860 in the USA. And like the women voting act in 1920 in the USA, the backbone to get the law passed started decades before the fact. And with slavery, the laws outlawing it did not pass until the 1800s, but the supporters working against it started 20-50-100 years earlier.