On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 09:24:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/23/2022 5:58 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:59:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/22/2022 11:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 5:51 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't attack
>>>>>>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> attack the officer
>>>>>>>>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
>>>>>>>>>>>> at least from
>>>>>>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
>>>>>>>>>>>> that, Either
>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
>>>>>>>>>>> village has a
>>>>>>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
>>>>>>>>>>> enforce the
>>>>>>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's more than fine
>>>>>>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
>>>>>>>>>>> or more may get
>>>>>>>>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
>>>>>>>>>>> arrested here for
>>>>>>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
>>>>>>>>>>> being stopped
>>>>>>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
>>>>>>>>>>> warrant has drugs
>>>>>>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's why.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
>>>>>>>>>> should read,
>>>>>>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
>>>>>>>>>> should be "Black
>>>>>>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
>>>>>>>> then one quite
>>>>>>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
>>>>>>>> what seems to
>>>>>>>> be popular.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
>>>>>>> annoying truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
>>>>>> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
>>>>>> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
>>>>>> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> side note-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
>>>>>> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
>>>>>> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
>>>>>> man at that'.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
>>>>> "The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper
>>>>> published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the
>>>>> celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site
>>>>> Decider.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander
>>>>> Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under
>>>>> the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor
>>>>> was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was
>>>>> owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid
>>>>> format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million.
>>>>> Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its
>>>>> distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you
>>>>> need some help. Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support. If
>>>>> you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be
>>>>> taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers. It says
>>>>> "Bezos Exposes Pecker". With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his
>>>>> girlfriend or wife. Fully clothed of course. Tell us Andy, does the
>>>>> Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page?
>>>>> Your main state newspaper. The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News
>>>>> or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and
>>>>> the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a
>>>>> disagreement and did not call each other names. I am sure they did
>>>>> have a divergence. I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK
>>>>> disagreed on many matters too. But they still held to their core
>>>>> principles.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw Mr Newsome's interview in his own words (except the bleep) it on
>>>> the radio early on WOR and later on WABC.
>>>>
>>>> Post has convenient non-paywall web links.
>>>>
>>>> You're welcome in that your only criticism is that you dislike the Post.
>>>> I assume you share with me utter contempt for Mr Newsome and BLM generally.
>>>
>>> Let me agree with Mr. Muzi on part of this. I suppose most news outlets
>>> have some editorial slant one way or other. (I've seen articles rating
>>> that slant for dozens of news sources - although I'm sure those offended
>>> by the ratings will call "bias!") And I do think the Post is not
>>> particularly respectable as a source.
>>>
>>> However, not everything in the Post is wrong. Similarly, if a biased and
>>> deluded maniac says "The sun is rising!" the sun may still be rising.
>>
>> But what is "Bias"? Is it, in some manner, a definitive measure of
>> right and wrong? Or a matter of what a large number of people consider
>> right and wrong, at this moment in time?
>>
>> Slavery, for example. A perfectly legal and accepted practice from
>> earliest human history until `about` the 1800's, and now regarded with
>> horror.
>>
>
>Bias is equally if not more effective by _not_ reporting
>inconvenient events.
>
>https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2022/03/poll-media-suppression-of-hunter-biden-laptop-story-made-joe-biden-president/

It seems as though "bias" is largely a matter of "those who believe as
I believe", for want of a better description :-)
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Cheers,

John B.