On Friday, 18 March 2022 at 18:26:18 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 20:20:23 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 2022 at 3:13:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> > <op.1iwxd...@ryzen.lan>:
> >
> >> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 00:27:13 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2022 at 2:56:55 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>> <op.1ii0k...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 03:00:38 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 3, 2022 at 3:41:32 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>>>> <op.1ig7z...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Makes it easier:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> * Go to such and such address
> >>>>>>>>>>> * Go two doors up
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Both of those fit with how we do things normally. Which is better depends on
> >>>>>>>>>>> the circumstances.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How is this showing the mac way is better?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Given how Windows also uses absolute and relative paths, what makes you think
> >>>>>>>>> it is different?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The extra garbage on the beginning of yours. The simplest example: a file in
> >>>>>>>> the root directory if the main drive. c:\file.txt And on a mac?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why would you save something on the root?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For quickness, but that's irrelevant, I showed you the shortest example to
> >>>>>> make a point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It still makes no sense to save to root. But it is even easier on macOS:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> \file.txt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No need for silly drive letters.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which drive is that the root of?
> >>>
> >>> The boot drive.
> >>
> >> Quicker on Windows for any other drive. E:\videos\beach babes.mp4
> >
> > Your boot drive is your E: drive?
>
> No, the E: drive is the large rust spinner for videos and TV.

Why do you have to call it the E drive.
I have a 3TB drive for TV and Films, and a 3TB drive for Music and home made videos. Just USB3 drives
Then there's my backups drives, I never refer to them by one letter of the alphabet

why do you need to refer to a drive as E ?

I cna understand you labeling your shoes L & R but not drives.

>
> > And how is that faster than ~/videos/beach babes.mp4
>
> What's a tilde again? Is that your user folder? Well I don't want them in there. My user folder is on the boot drive and that's too small for terabytes of TV.

> > You create your own rules. Sure. And it is your system -- enjoy. Just do not
> > expect others to follow your rules.
>
> I don't expect anyone to organise anything the same way, which is why having the OS try to push you into one way is ridiculous.

I think it helps to have such things like a download folder I even have an upload folder.
It's handy too that when typing a letter it prompts to save it in the documents folder rather than music or movies folder.
I can always change it though if I want to I saved a picture in the movies folder last night because it was a picture of a band
andn I wanted to represent that band by the picture on facebook.

>
> >>>>>> I save things in folder in the root like c:\pictures, c:\videos.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But when do you refer to it like that? I generally just say a file in the
> >>>>>>> Documents folder or whatever.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think even a mac would respond to "a file in the documents folder".
> >>>>>> Maybe an Alexa.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no issue saving files in the Documents folder.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why use the setup the OS writer chose? I'll decide what array to organise my
> >>>> folders in, depending if I'm a photographer, music fan, etc.
> >>>
> >>> You can also save things to the Pictures or Music folders... which are
> >>> defaults, or any other folder you want.
> >>
> >> Are those folders not inside your user folder?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> My videos are on a different drive to my pictures.

I don't keep such things permanently on my main drive, I archive them off on to seperate archive discs.
Then when I need space on my main drive I can delete them knowing that they are on my archive drives.

>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But, really, for general use when do you use either much?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Every day, many times.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Example?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When installing a program and seeing where it's going. When referring to a
> >>>>>>>> file in a program. When saving a file.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I install a program I put it either in the Applications folder or the
> >>>>>>> desktop.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ROPL! You install programs to the desktop.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes. I download them and fiddle with them there. Then I decide to keep or
> >>>>> toss. Having a quick temporary storage is a key use of the desktop.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> No need to give more of a path.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kinda helps to give each application it's own folder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On macOS each app is almost always just one icon. It is, technically, a
> >>>>> folder, but it is easy to move around. More recent versions of macOS do offer
> >>>>> more benefits for putting apps in the Applications folder.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you think you're looking at a file but it's a folder, how confusing.
> >>>
> >>> You are looking at an application icon. And it works fine.
> >>
> >> I prefer to know what I'm looking at.
> >
> > As opposed to?
>
> What's sneaking up behind me.

My computers usually in front of me, I find that if it's behind me it's harder to use.

>
> >>>> What happens if you double click one?
> >>>
> >>> If you double click on an application icon the application opens. Of course.
> >>> What else would you expect?
> >>
> >> But you said it's actually a folder. Wouldn't a folder open when you double
> >> click it?
> >
> > Why would you want to open a folder when you launch an app? You can dig into
> > it if you want but as the norm? What is the value? Why make it so you have to
> > dig to find the EXE, and figure out which one, just to launch an app? Seems to
> > get around that weakness you would need to create some extra menu and maybe
> > even have to place it on the taskbar to deal with this challenge. Oh. Windows
> > does that.
>
> The application is not one file, it's a collection of files, inside a folder. So when I double click that folder, I expect it to open, not launch something inside it.

Refering to the Word app.
But on a Mac it doesn't look like a folder , it is just an icon that looks like an app and behaves like one,
unless you right click it and do "show package contents", then it acts like a folder, which contains the resources,
plugins and other stuff relating to the Word app.
I guess your PC keeps the Word plugins in the beach babes folder.

> > I was wrong. Nospam is correct they would just show their names. No added
> > numbers. But, really, why name them the same?
>
> Say I have 20 USB sticks to give to a class. I put the same things on them all at once. I plug them all in at once. Why make up 20 names?
>
> >>>>> Say you have an MS Word (or whatever) file open on Windows. You opened it from
> >>>>> Recent Files and it is buried deep. How do you find where it is? How do you
> >>>>> move it? How do you rename it?
> >>>>
> >>>> You have it open, you save it, it will tell you where it's going.
> >>>
> >>> And if you want to move or rename it?
> >>
> >> Never heard of anyone wanting to rename an open file.
> >
> > Not on systems where they cannot do so! But what if there is a typo? What if
> > you decide it is in the wrong place? On Windows you have to do a little dance
> > of closing it, renaming or moving, the re-opening it. And then the Recent
> > files info often is broken.
>
> I rename it when it isn't open. I'd see the typo when I was about to open it.

I rename files when they are open especailly screen shots.
As I forget when they depicted so I open them up then change their name while they are open
and their name gets updated in the app and on disc.

I Did this more than 6 times on saturday. While listing to the 'movie' MV_4405.MP4'
I'd filmed early in the day I was watching it and listening to it until I reconnised the track name,
then I edited the MVI_4405.MP4 to the track name "dark Angels" or what ever it was.