On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 00:18:24 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:34:13 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:43:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:18:56 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 12:18:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam..com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> >> >> >>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.
> >> >
> >> > What is best value to one person doesn't have to be best value to another.
> >> Performance, calculations per second, versus money. Very simple.
> >
> > I'ts no where near that simple if you think about it.
> > If the software is crap or bloated then alla fast processor will do is provide you with a nice heater.
> Software will be better for something more widespread. More customers, more competition.

yeah sure so McD's is the best resturant .
Best clothes .. Tescos
sainsbury blended scotch best whisky there is ..

> >> > I can't drink bells or teachers (well not easily) my prefered standard whisky is Grants but it is more expensive.
> >> > I have a 1 litre bottle of the 50% but don't like it.
> >> > My prefered whisky is Isle of Jura , so you're telling me that Bells is a better whisky than Isle of Jura because it;s cheaper.
> >> I drink alcohol for the amount of alcohol, I can always add mixers. Just as if a PC is more powerful but has less bells and whistles, I just install some software.
> >
> > Shows you how little you understand then.
> About alcohol? It's a simple chemical, ethanol, that's what give you the effect.

There's taste too, you can get drunk on meths .

> >> > Well to get drunk quickly my prefereed drink was thunderbird wine .
> >> > In a pub it was snakebite & black, or hairy chest (PiLs + blackcurrent + vodka)
> >> When I was a young teenager, me and a friend both had a bottle of white lightning each on a camping trip.
> >
> > My ex flatemates favourite tipple, she drank 3 cans in an evening, poor girl died at 42 years old enlarged heart or something.
> > Not saying that was the cause but I don't think it helped.
> I've never heard of heart trouble from alcohol,

Excessive alcohol intake can lead to high blood pressure, heart failure or stroke. Excessive drinking can also contribute to cardiomyopathy, a disorder that affects the heart muscle. What's more, alcohol can contribute to obesity and the long list of health problems that can go along with it.

>I thought it always went for the liver? My ex's brother got blind drunk every night, he needed a liver transplant at 30.
> >> > You're allowed to choose which computer you want as a memebr of admin, academic or research staff.
> >> > Who also get what they want for use at home.
> >> > Most appear to choose a Macbook air as a general purpose laptop.
> >> I encouraged PCs. Some stuck to Macs, but 3/4s of them changed to PCs when I have the a reasoned argument. Mainly due to price and availability of software.

Depends what they are doing. Most artists, music, film video prefer Mac , due to higher quality displays as standard and less latancy with audio.

> >
> > That is true but I don't think you can get final cut pro on a PC or logic pro.
> There will be something similar.

There is but not the same.
Just like all sotfware ther;e very similar stuff to word and excel and that is google docs.

>
> We got loads of PCs because Autodesk Inventor wasn't on the Mac.

You can runn it on a Mac under emulation.

Fucking brilliant program for designing stuff.
> > Adobe creative suite is now a sunscription packge Mac & PC.
> Adobe is available on both, but it's overpriced shit.

It works and lots seem to resonabley happy with it.

> >> > But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
> >> > So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
> >> > Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
> >> > And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.
> >> It did go badly at one point, just before Jobs I believe. Then he conned everyone into thinking it was great.
> >
> > Because it was.
> You sound like a religious nut.

Nah, I just prefer the Mac OS and the hardware that's all.

> >> > So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
> >> > complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
> >> > of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.
> >> >
> >> > But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
> >> > not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
> >> > Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC.
> >> As a technician you should have bought what you wanted. I had a £1800 PC. Nice fast graphics for games.... er research.
> >
> > Being a technician I can do things on either mac or PC.
> > I just don;t like wondows much.
> I can do things on both, I just use more swearwords on a Mac.
> >> >> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies.
> >> >
> >> > yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .
> >> I have 7 PCs running it, up to 12 years old. I don't know what the fuck MS are playing at but it doesn't need the TPM security shit they claim. It's only checked during setup. Search for a free program called Rufus. It will create a bootable USB stick which will install or upgrade any Windows PC to windows 11.
> >
> > Not my problem . I'm not sure whether the software we have will run under W11 took a whiloe to get it all running under W10
> It will. Windows 11 is really 10.0.2. Same drivers and software works precisely the same.
> >> >> Macs are made by one. No competition
> >> >
> >> > A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
> >> > one size doesn;t fit all does it.
> >> PCs work together just fine. They use agreed standards.
> >
> > which aren't always followed. there's always differncies between which processor is used ITEL, AMD etc..
> Intel and AMD actually have an agreement to keep the processor instructions compatible.

yeah sure they do, think you're getting comfused with RISC and ARM.

> >> > Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
> >> > Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.
> >> They don't make their own stuff, they're just resellers, just like every PC manufacturer is.
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> >> > I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
> >> > There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
> >> > They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.
> >> Agreed. I use Tesco. They're the only one that makes very tasty high fat cottage cheese. This modern low fat shit tastes like water.
> >> >> your wallet is emptied.
> >> > hardly emptied .
> >> Double the price of a PC!
> >
> > Because they are worth twice as much.
> > The displays on Macs are far better than the displays on most PC's it's why they are cheaper.
> >
> > Put them side by side watch a movie compare the skin tones and everything else
> > some such as photograhers care about.
> >
> > It's like me after the pub a kebab is great best thing ever but I can't eat them unless drunk or at least tipsy.
> A display is not the computer. I'm free to use an Apple display on a PC or a PC display on a Mac.

But an imac is cheaper than getting a PC and a Mac quality monitor.

>I did both quite often actually.
> >> > But while I have this iMac all the PC's ahve been replaced twice now and they'll need replacing again soon.
> >> Bullshit, they don't wear out any quicker, and they have the same specs as Apples when they're bought.
> >
> > They don't have the same specs, there's far more too it than the hight the GBs and GHz to it.
> >
> > Same with % alachol.
> > 40% vodka and 40% whisky aren't the same.
> >
> > You can;lt tell me all whiskies are the same whether it's glenfiddich or jack daniels.
> Why consider flavour and % together? Get lots of % then add flavour.

you mean add orange juice to a single malt well no thanks.

> >> They go out of date at the same time. At the uni we had 12 year old Macs and 12 year old PCs running things, it just depended what they were used for, we just handed them down to projects that needed less processing power.
> >
> > We do the same that's why I have a Mac but academics get what they choose as they can pay for them from research grants.
> I encouraged mine to get something more useful. Usually they didn't know, they just said buy me a computer to run this.
> >> > ---------------------------------------
> >> > You know what you were saying about RS well yesterday one of our academics wanted a PSU
> >> > for the new power lab, wanted it ASAP couldn't find it cheaper and availible so ordered yesterday midday and it arrived this morning.
> >> > RS 806-7565
> >> Farnell and UK Testing have that but a bit more expensive. But for more common parts, RS always cost too much.
> >
> > try finding an arduino nano , cheapest at RS currently snd in stock.
> > going to order 2 or 3 before 5pm
> >
> > £14.40 no discount on these but a £2 handling charge
> > https://onecall.farnell.com/arduino/a000005/board-arduino-nano/dp/SC09659
> >
> > £11.61 with university discount. free postage
> > https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/6961667/
> >
> > £13.26 with university discount.free postage
> > https://www.rapidonline.com/arduino-nano-a000005-board-v3-73-4448
> > 5 weeks
> Maybe RS aren't as bad as they used to be. Most stuff (look up a common product) used to be double the price in RS. The only reason RS was used was because they had absolutely everything.