On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 16:50:38 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 05:10:44 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 17:01:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 00:18:24 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:34:13 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Adobe creative suite is now a sunscription packge Mac & PC.
>> >> Adobe is available on both, but it's overpriced shit.
>> >
>> > It works and lots seem to resonabley happy with it.
>> Not if they paid for it.
>
> Most do.

Some people have more money than sense.

>> A long time ago we used JASC Paintshop Pro instead of Adobe Photoshop.. A third of the price, several times faster, and easier to use. Then Corel bought JASC. Paintshop Pro now takes 30 SECONDS to load on a very fast computer. When I complained, their excuse was Photoshop was the same speed. 30 seconds, WTF?
>
> I use affinity photo, I prefer photoshop but for the amount of times I use it I find I don't actualy need it.
> I don;t feel teh need for lightroom or all the other things you get.

How long does it take to start Photoshop?

>> >> >> > But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
>> >> >> > So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
>> >> >> > Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
>> >> >> > And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.
>> >> >> It did go badly at one point, just before Jobs I believe. Then he conned everyone into thinking it was great.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because it was.
>> >> You sound like a religious nut.
>> >
>> > Nah, I just prefer the Mac OS
>> It's got an interface like Fischer Price toys.
>
> and windows keeps trying to copy it.

They shouldn't. Most Windows users complain and get freeware to turn that shit off.

>> > and the hardware that's all.
>> Same hardware identically. So identical that you can run Mac OS on a PC if you pick the right components, and it's free! Apple are too stupid to prevent copying.
>
> They don't need to whybother when teh software is free.

If everyone did it Apple would make no money.

> few waste their time and energy trying to make
> Mac OS run on crap hardware what's the point.

Agreed, Windows is far better and works on any hardware. Mac OS is very fussy.

> Mac clones have failed to get any market share.

It's illegal to make and sell them.

> I know peolpe that run Windows on a Mac because it runs better than it does on a standard PC.

Bullshit. The parts are the same.

>> >> >> > So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
>> >> >> > complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
>> >> >> > of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
>> >> >> > not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
>> >> >> > Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC.
>> >> >> As a technician you should have bought what you wanted. I had a £1800 PC. Nice fast graphics for games.... er research.
>> >> >
>> >> > Being a technician I can do things on either mac or PC.
>> >> > I just don;t like wondows much.
>> >> I can do things on both, I just use more swearwords on a Mac.
>> >> >> >> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .
>> >> >> I have 7 PCs running it, up to 12 years old. I don't know what the fuck MS are playing at but it doesn't need the TPM security shit they claim. It's only checked during setup. Search for a free program called Rufus. It will create a bootable USB stick which will install or upgrade any Windows PC to windows 11.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not my problem . I'm not sure whether the software we have will run under W11 took a whiloe to get it all running under W10
>> >> It will. Windows 11 is really 10.0.2. Same drivers and software works precisely the same.
>> >> >> >> Macs are made by one. No competition
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
>> >> >> > one size doesn;t fit all does it.
>> >> >> PCs work together just fine. They use agreed standards.
>> >> >
>> >> > which aren't always followed. there's always differncies between which processor is used ITEL, AMD etc..
>> >> Intel and AMD actually have an agreement to keep the processor instructions compatible.
>> >
>> > yeah sure they do, think you're getting comfused with RISC and ARM.
>> No I'm not. Look it up. It's why only AMD and Intel make PC CPUs. Nobody else has the rights to the designs.
>
> Anyone can 'make' a PC. PC just means personal computer.
> samsung , epson used to , viglen too. Apple makes their own M1 chip it's still a personal computer chip.
> ie. it's not a multi-user system.
> And it can run windows.

Why are you confusing making a PC with making a CPU?

>> >> >> > Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
>> >> >> > Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.
>> >> >> They don't make their own stuff, they're just resellers, just like every PC manufacturer is.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep.
>> >> >
>> >> >> > I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
>> >> >> > There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
>> >> >> > They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.
>> >> >> Agreed. I use Tesco. They're the only one that makes very tasty high fat cottage cheese. This modern low fat shit tastes like water.
>> >> >> >> your wallet is emptied.
>> >> >> > hardly emptied .
>> >> >> Double the price of a PC!
>> >> >
>> >> > Because they are worth twice as much.
>> >> > The displays on Macs are far better than the displays on most PC's it's why they are cheaper.
>> >> >
>> >> > Put them side by side watch a movie compare the skin tones and everything else
>> >> > some such as photograhers care about.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's like me after the pub a kebab is great best thing ever but I can't eat them unless drunk or at least tipsy.
>> >> A display is not the computer. I'm free to use an Apple display on a PC or a PC display on a Mac.
>> >
>> > But an imac is cheaper than getting a PC and a Mac quality monitor.
>> Bullshit.
>
> prove it .
> Link to a 5k screen of at least 24" and not one of those crap ones that are highb speed but the colours
> only sutable for gamers and those doing pie charts.

https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-27MD5KL
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/apple-studio-display

Similar price.

>> >> I did both quite often actually.
>> >> >> > But while I have this iMac all the PC's ahve been replaced twice now and they'll need replacing again soon.
>> >> >> Bullshit, they don't wear out any quicker, and they have the same specs as Apples when they're bought.
>> >> >
>> >> > They don't have the same specs, there's far more too it than the hight the GBs and GHz to it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Same with % alachol.
>> >> > 40% vodka and 40% whisky aren't the same.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can;lt tell me all whiskies are the same whether it's glenfiddich or jack daniels.
>> >> Why consider flavour and % together? Get lots of % then add flavour.
>> >
>> > you mean add orange juice to a single malt well no thanks.
>> Doesn't have to be orange juice.
>
> I perfer the flavour of whisky, although I do drink JD & cola.

I dislike all alcohol flavours. I just like the alcohol effects. I prefer the taste of orange juice etc.