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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Sally Essam

someone help me please can someone send me Solution Manual Dynamic Systems : Modeling, Simulation, and Control (by Craig A. Kluever) thanks.

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Notice the iKooks like Lewis are literally _afraid_ of facts. Given the dozen reliable resources (see below), it's interesting the iKooks like Lewis are so afraid of facts, they claim facts can't exist. And yet, they do. *Warped Roto

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Lewis

Oh, it's comedy gold. Obviously by "well educated: s.he.it means "kicked out of kindergarten" and by 'scientist' s/he/it means 'I have a spell checker... etc. There's been a lot of dumb fucks in this group over the years, but arlen is t

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

A claim not supported by anything. Supra. It's also well-known that you don't have to heat a metal to its melting point for it to become plastic. Heat has to be transmitted to those other components... ...and that doesn't happen.

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: leigh shelton

does it dissipate heat from the flexi-pipe. it cant be cheap putting this mesh over to protect stainless steel flexi-pipe and companies making millions of these mesh sleaves cant be doing it for nothing. the mesh is often not really that s

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Steve, You are reading every word I state, which is fine, but stop pretending please, as it means you think I'm too stupid to realize you constantly regurgitate what I said about you. I don't think anyone here doubts I do brake jobs all

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Ooops. that was Moses. My bad! I openly apologize for that "factual" error. But the point remains that I am allergic to bullshit. If someone says God gave them a tablet at the top of the mountain where all we have is his word for it, I

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: sms

Correct. It's rather amusing to read this thread, which somehow ended up in the iPhone and Android newsgroups, where someone who has likely never performed an actual brake job on a vehicle attempts to promulgate misinformation on th

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi AMuzi, First off, let me state what should be obvious, but what might not be: a. I am a well educated scientist & engineer which means I'm extremely familiar with "things" that "seem" to be one way, but which aren't. b. I'm also

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Yikes. I apologize to Amuzi! I replied to this post "thinking" it was from Amuzi, who (along with Vic Smith) was the only person to propose an hypothesis of _how_ we can reconcile the fact that rotors at 2300 degrees would destroy brak

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Lewis is correct, in my opinion, which I can back up with reliable cites: *How Anecdotal Evidence Can Undermine Scientific Results* <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-anecdotal-evidence-can-undermine-scientific-results/>

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I'm willing to listen to and read and watch "good science"; but I must first let you know that I'm allergic to people trying to bullshit me. I'm all about good science, where I appreciated that Vic Smith brought up that engineering tes

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Why did you concoct that purely imaginary fanciful strawman above Xeno? I wonder if you own the cognitive skills to realize you just proved my case and, at the same time, you proved that you can't comprehend basic facts? Basic facts th

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Xeno

Indeed but Arlen says warped rotors don't exist, I say they do because I have seen them, I have measured them, I have machined them. There are video references showing *warped rotors* so they do exist. The maths involved is above my pa

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Lewis

No matter who you are, "my own experiences" is not a reference, much less a reliable one. A reference is something published and accepted by others, preferably through an editorial process that includes exports in the field. It is not so

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: AMuzi

Yes but beyond rotor temperature note the caliper and other components are _not_ glowing hot.

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Xeno

The only spec, ultimately, that matters is the minimum thickness spec. If the rotor won't clean before minimum thickness is reached, any gouge spec becomes irrelevant. I'm not going to put a machined rotor back on a customer's car if *

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Xeno

Me? Desperate? You must be joking? FWIW, Putin is a *liar*. I gave you the one I value most, my direct experience. I backed up my claim with reference to what I saw and did whilst working at my trade. My direct experience. Yes, I worke

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I can tell you're getting desperate because you have no defense to facts. You're acting just like Putin where you accuse me of what _you_ are doing. FACT: a. I gave you a dozen reliable references; none of which you read. b. You gave me

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Find even a _single_ reliable reference that backs up your claims. And I'll read it. Find just one.

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

It's kind of interesting how _desperate_ you have become given not a single one of you read even a single one of the references already provided. All you "can" do is point to a special Porsche destructive testing jig. You do realize th

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Destructive testing has its place in terms of gathering scientific data. That situation was artificially created on a special "test jig for brakes" by Porsche as shown here <https://seinesystems.com/BrakeFade.htm> "Yellow color indicate

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Xeno

You are being deliberately disingenuous here! I have told you that I have *measured* warped rotors. It is very easy to prove that a rotor has warped, all you need is a dial indicator with a magnetic base. You measure the face and find

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Xeno

When people say *trust me*, it is far wiser to do the opposite. You might, I don't. One of the things I do is *test* any *theory* I come up with. Is the rotor warped? Intuition might tell you, my measurements tell me what the reality i

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: sms

Exactly. The idea that brake fluid would boil because the rotors got hot displays a profound cluelessness about how vehicle braking systems function.

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: AMuzi

further to my recent comments: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads20/REDHOTBR+7001334174918.jpg Note relatively significant heat isolation of rotor braking surface as compared to caliper, brake lines, wheel bearing etc.

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: AMuzi

Brake pads are thermal insulators so whatever is going on at the rotor doesn't necessarily melt rubber bits or boil brake fluid. There's also ample airflow and space between rotor and other components. Even brake shoe holders have mini

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Alan

Metals don't need to "soften" to undergo change due to relief of stress.

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I realized belatedly that I didn't point out that the temperature it takes to "soften" rotors only has to be "locally" applied for what Amuzi is hypothesizing to occur, to occur. So, for example, you can perhaps get to the 2300 degrees

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Alan

How about videos of warped rotors? Will those do?

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Finally someone on this newsgroup is using their brain. It's disconcerting that most people completely ignored the dozen references I provided and that they provided, in turn, a 20-second youtube from a kid in NJ which shows absolutely

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Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: AMuzi

Differential thermal expansion does not require entering the plastic zone for the entire piece.

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Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Burnelli

Don't worry. I knew the answer before I asked it of you. I understand. I know all about what people do. It's a basic question I ask of everyone who claims to measure rotors. They never even _know_ what the gouge spec is. Trust me

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Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fFY2MPylrS4>

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Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fFY2MPylrS4>

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Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

He didn't dodge the issue and neither did I. He stated from personal experience that he had seen warped rotors and I presented video that conclusively showed warped rotors.

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Posted: 8 Days 6 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, I assess you as the most knowledgeable here (certainly you have more experience than I do); however I will point out you dodged both issues. 1. You dodged the issue that brake rotors can't possibly warp simply because the 2

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Posted: 8 Days 6 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Steve, You make something as simple as a spec into some kind of voodoo magic. Every statement from you shows you have _never_ done a proper brake job in your entire life, which is why you posted total bullshit about rotor warp. Rotors

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Posted: 8 Days 7 Hours ago by: sms

It depends on the vehicle and how thick the rotors are. I recall my 1970's to 1990's VWs that had very thick rotors. The late 1970's was the time when disc brakes were becoming standard equipment even on lower-priced cars. Those roto

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Posted: 8 Days 12 Hours ago by: Alan

The irony.

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Posted: 8 Days 13 Hours ago by: Xeno

Recycle them - scrap iron.

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Posted: 8 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hehhehheh... Lewis _hates_ that he knows nothing about the topic.

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Posted: 8 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I have only about a half dozen old rotors in my garage in a heap. They're useful for weights, but I was hoping to find a use for them.

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Posted: 8 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Almost nobody knows the spec for gouges for any given rotor in my experience, and, when the spec id finally found (if found), it's shocking how _huge_ a gouge has to be to fail a rotor. They're not really hard to measure though, simply

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Posted: 8 Days 14 Hours ago by: Xeno

I have often seen discs worn beyond limits by the end of the second set of pads. When to replace? When they don't clean up on a lathe, are undersized, or I use my judgement to assess that gouges, etc may cause bed-in and braking balanc

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Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

Can't recall. I just looked at the rotor gouge and, if *I* considered it too deep, into the bin it went. You have to realise that *any gouge* reduces the surface area for braking so if it doesn't machine out, it will take ages for the

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Posted: 8 Days 16 Hours ago by: Lewis

Arleen is a lying sack of shit without the slightest hint of class. Please, every time you're going to reply to him imagine that little chubby he gets and think again. Do you really want to be responsible for the only sexual stimul

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Posted: 8 Days 17 Hours ago by: Alan

Nah. I think I'll stay. :-)

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Posted: 8 Days 17 Hours ago by: dan

On Fri, 13 May 2022 19:11:39 -0700, Alan wrote: You're nothing but a whiny troll. Go away.

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Posted: 8 Days 17 Hours ago by: Alan

"Law"? Of course not. Is it typical, normal, and courteous to repeatedly call someone a liar (essentially)...

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Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: dan

On Fri, 13 May 2022 12:11:35 -0700, Alan wrote: There's no law requiring repeating everything that was already said. It's typical & normal & courteous to NOT repeat everything that was said. Look it up. Common netiquette is you only quo

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Posted: 9 Days ago by: Alan

And leaving out that the conversation was about rotors warping...

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Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: dan

On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:25:35 -0700, Alan wrote: It shirly looks like he was replying to what Xeno said about surface gouges.

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Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Alan

This text does not exist in the post to which you're replying, Arlen...

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Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, (See the question in the bottom of the introductory explanation below.) A _lot_ of morons (like Steve) "claim" to need to replace rotors with every pad change, and even more morons opine that they simply replace rotors at every

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Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Alan

We can certainly see what you wanted to change the topic.

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Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, On _that_ topic alone, have you ever seen a typical rotor "gouge" spec? I have. That spec is often hard to find, but when found, it's shocking (to me). For two reasons. The first is that the spec allows _huge_ gouges (imho).

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Posted: 9 Days 10 Hours ago by: Vikram Sankhala

Dear Mark, I need the Solutions Manual for Calculus Volume 1 2016 edition by Gilbert Strang. Can you tell me the cost and the procedure. Best Regards Vikram On Thursday, October 28, 2010 at 10:57:37 AM UTC+5:30, Mark Rain wrote:

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Posted: 9 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yep, very familiar with that scenario. Been there, seen that, done that! ;-)

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Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yeah, that's been the trend for quite some time now. Rotors are considered as *disposable* as the pads themselves. Indeed, I need to see a very overt issue before I would bother machining rotors. If you don't feel the symptoms on a roa

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Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

And he's not just suddenly playing dumb, folks!

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Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

If that's supposed to be a question, I readily admit I don't know what you're asking. Can you please rephrase the question so that I can understand what you're asking me to respond to? Thanks!

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Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Where "reputable" is redefined as "agrees with me". Very good question. :-)

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Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: AMuzi

f you're so certain about that why not offer to pay parts and service charges for a warped brake rotor?

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Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Because you lack the integrity to admit you were wrong.

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Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

You didn't have to tell me that. I knew it. Your real-world experience is very helpful sometimes. As it was with the tire wear on mountain roads. I appreciate that. I won't delve further on the brake rotor warp issue.

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Posted: 9 Days 20 Hours ago by: Alan

Empiricism trumps your bullshit, Arlen: 'In the past people here have said that rotors don't "warp". That shaking or shuddering during braking is caused by brake pad deposits. This is on my lathe right now. You can see the spots where

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Posted: 9 Days 21 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

People like Steve are no different than people who believe the earth is flat. Steve actually _believes_ what he writes.... and yet... And yet... and yet... Steve doesn't even _read_ what the experts say about it. As a result, Steve wil

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Posted: 10 Days 6 Hours ago by: sms

Good video Andy Burnelli/Arlen Holder/Dean Hoffman/Nil/Robin Goodfellow/more is wrong of course™. Those look like pretty thick rotors. The warping had to be pretty minor in order to machine them flat. Most of the rotors these days

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Posted: 10 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

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Posted: 10 Days 9 Hours ago by: Xeno

And it also can cause shimmy without pulsations or judder. That I have definitely experienced and on my own car. A lot of people, when doing diagnosis, cannot differentiate the symptoms. At the end of the day, the process of *measurin

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Posted: 10 Days 9 Hours ago by: Xeno

I have real world experience with disc brakes on my side, that's enough!

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Posted: 10 Days 10 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, Let's cut our losses as you will _never_ read any reference I've provided. I provided, what, oh, maybe about a dozen reliable references that back up my point of view, and you provided, oh, um, what? Zero, right? You think I d

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Posted: 10 Days 10 Hours ago by: Vic Smith

snip snip Here's what I took from the study. "In particular, brake judder has been an important issue in vehicle comfort in recent years, and various methodologies for reducing this low-frequency vibration have been used (Ref 6-8). It i

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Posted: 10 Days 11 Hours ago by: Hank Rogers

Maybe we’ll get to see some more of his book pictures.

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Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Alan

And Arlen will continue to insist that his "education" (which he won't substantiate) trumps your real-world experience and knowledge.

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Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Xeno

You can get thickness variation in a rotor that has *no* pad material deposition. The most typical cause is the creation of *hard spots* in the rotor that typically wear *less* than the rest of the rotor. Those hard spots are created b

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Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Alan

Dude: You've been told by a professional in the field and you've been presented video evidence. You're a complete and utter ass.

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Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

People who think rotors warp also firmly believe the earth is flat. There is no discernible difference between those two belief systems. They're both imaginary; they're both strongly held; & they're both wrong. All the professionals, in

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yep, as oft stated, I've felt it, seen it, measured it, machined it.

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

It is actually so the rotor can *hold more heat*. It's all about *heating capacity*, not to cooling. You gain SFA extra surface dissipation area when you increase the disc thickness. With a thin (below spec) rotor, you reach brake fade

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Alan

The comment that goes with it very nicely matches yours: '"No such thing as warped brake rotors." I've heard that saying spread around quite a bit. "What you're experiencing is merely uneven brake pad transfer." While pad transfer

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

Looks a lot like *warp* to me. ;-) I don't think I would be bothered even starting to machine that one - binned!

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

I'm up to 120,000 kilometres without any regenerative braking.

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Alan

Oh, I understand that you understand. But it's great that you've replied, as Arlen/Andy/....who knows how many others...

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

You're preaching to the converted. Well, not so much *converted* as *aware*. I was doing disc and drum machining in the *70s*. I have seen and done all of that guff, including all the measuring with appropriate *workshop level* equipme

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yep, done that, seen the warp, many, many times! I liked the way he did that final non-directional finish. I used to do it the hard way, that looked easy in comparison.

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: sms

I recall my first vehicle with disc brakes. The rotors were thick, heavy, and massive. The pads were very small. The rotors never warped (or deformed, or whatever someone wants to call it) but the pads had so little surface area that t

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Alan

Isn't it amazing how Arlen continues to argue with someone who quite obviously has lots of hands on experience with the subject...

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

Well, yes, uneven rapid cooling of the disc, that would do it. That said, my only experience of warped rotors is with the non-ventilated variety.

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Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yes, this excerpt is *classic*. My 2008 Mustang GT shakes at around 60-65 mph when braking. The Hurst five-speed stick shakes, too. When this is happening, the steering wheel moves from side to side. I have had the *shimmy* (

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Xeno

As I have stated, you can have a *warped disc* and *not experience* judder, shudder or the like. You see, a warped disc does *not* lead to a *thickness variation*, it's more akin to a *buckle* and, as such will much more likely cause a

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

1. A test that didn't exist until 2013. 2. A test that no manufacturer is required to pass.

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

But you'll avoid actually providing an answer. Utterly wrong. Metal can warp when temperature rises enough to release stresses left over from the manufacturing process. I have an aluminum engine that came with my Van Diemen Honda tha

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

There are half a dozen materials rotors are made of though, so we'd have to look up the melting point of each of them to be more precise about melting. 1. cast iron 2. steel 3. stainless steel 4. laminated steel 5. high carbon iron (e.g.

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I wonder if _anyone_ here realizes _why_ there's a minimum thickness spec? HINT: It's not what everyone intuits (e.g., it's not for heat dissipation). It's amazing how you concoct your own imaginary belief systems, Steve. If a rotor

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

TRIPLEHINT: The cold/hot friction rating is not all that matters. Probably, yes. Vehicles have become far more complex. I can do my own brake pads if I care to, and I do do so for my 1998 Van Diemen RF98-2 Formula F. Easily, yes.

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Why would I have had to read the article then and there? The article was posted (checking) at 11:35, and I replied to Vic at 12:53pm with my prediction. Sorry, but I'm not into the game playing. Brake rotor warping can be and has bee

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Some brake compounds aren't compatible with what came before and the new pads can do that.

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

High quality? How did you know? By the advertising? HINT: What's the cold/hot friction rating (coefficient) of those pads? DOUBLEHINT: It's printed on every passenger vehicle pad sold in the USA. Is that true? Do people do less of th

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

What a load of bullshit.

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Posted: 10 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

"Warped" is a perfectly fine descriptor and no one would argue that a 2x4 piece of lumber was "warped" simply because all it had was (say) a twist.

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Posted: 10 Days 20 Hours ago by: sms

Yes, in many cases "uneven" would be a better adjective than "warped" but there are still cases where the steel brake rotor is deformed from heat.

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Posted: 10 Days 21 Hours ago by: sms

"Back in the olden days" I kept a spare set of rotors so when I was doing a brake job I didn't have to stop and take the rotors to be machined in the middle of the work. I'd then take the rotors that I removed to be put on a lathe (f

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Posted: 10 Days 21 Hours ago by: sms

Decades ago I replace the brake pads on a VW Rabbit (Golf in other regions) with pads that I ordered online from JC Whitney, a mail-order parts house. Descending a steep hill, in San Francisco, the pads glazed over from the heat. The

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Posted: 10 Days 21 Hours ago by: Carlos E. R.

I worked for a company where we made industrial test beds (I was the programmer). One of those was for testing brakes. During testing at the brake factory where this machine was installed, the chap there actually brought the disk to that

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Posted: 10 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Btw, since Steve has repeatedly insisted warp occurs, I must make the point that _every_ article proposed by Steve has been in the latter category. That is, as Steve did with his fabricated FCC maps (he never knew they showed _zero_ 3G

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Posted: 10 Days 22 Hours ago by: John Doe

You must be a speed reader because your post is 3 minutes after his during which time you read the article Vic proposed & his response. What is your summary of what Vic Smith's article said? And how does your assessment differ from his?

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

Tell me, Mr. Well-educated: Does "exceedingly rare" actually mean "impossible"? This is your idea of only stating facts, is it? Claiming things you cannot possibly know? Did I call it? :-)

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

We've had this discussion many times, where I'm well aware that there is conflicting information even in any one given article on the subject. What we have is a difference in terminology and measurement skills. For example: *The Myste

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

Your own sources disagree.

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

"Exceedingly rare" means that it DOES happen...

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

Only if you redefine "red" to mean "infrared"... Brake rotors DO warp. See all my previous posts with actual video of actual warped rotors.

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

The "problem" most of the time is the driver's own foot, so, yeah. It will come back. It will continue to come back until the driver learns that warped rotors (as in potato chip) are a myth. Verbatim... *Six Brake Rotor Myths Debu

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Nothing wrong with anecdotal evidence but here is what the pros say. *Nuts & Bolts: Warped Rotor Myth* <https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1808-nuts-and-bolts-warped-rotor-myth/> "It's exceedingly rare to actually warp a rotor. Instea

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Everybody wants a simple answer, but as Xeno & Vic Smith are showing, a simple answer isn't always going to be the answer to your issue. In your case, improper torquing certainly can cause runout, as everyone here has been saying; how

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Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

There's no doubt rotors get hot during braking. That's what friction is all about. Black body radiation is well studied, which is what you were seeing. Everything glows "red" (but usually in the infrared which our eyes can't easily see

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Posted: 11 Days ago by: Alan

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiuwzN2mQuA&t2s>

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Posted: 11 Days ago by: Alan

<https://youtu.be/glIik3KHcOs> What's that if it's not warp, Arlen?

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Posted: 11 Days ago by: Alan

I guarantee Arlen will find some reason why he understands the subject better than the authors.

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Posted: 11 Days ago by: Alan

Empiricism: <https://youtu.be/fFY2MPylrS4> See the big dark patch as that rotor is slowly being turned on the brake lathe? That's warp. As is this: <https://youtu.be/eEpYifYWV5k?t%0>

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Posted: 11 Days ago by: Alan

Empiricism: <https://youtu.be/fFY2MPylrS4> See the big dark patch as that rotor is slowly being turned on the brake lathe? That's warp. As is this: <https://youtu.be/eEpYifYWV5k?t%0>

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Posted: 11 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

Longer answer, verbatim... *Brake Rotors Warp From Heat -- Myth Busted* <https://www.hansonsubaru.com/service/information/brake-myths.htm> 5. Brake Rotors Warp From Heat -- Myth Busted Damaged brake rotors can cause your car to shudd

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Posted: 11 Days 1 Hour ago by: Vic Smith

The author quoted above says - in the same article - "The excessive heat from the pads can cause the discs to overheat, resulting in disc warping." This author also says in the same article, "Brake rotors become warped over time from the

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Posted: 11 Days 1 Hour ago by: Vic Smith

Ventilated rotors warp too. After a period of severe braking I unintentionally drove though a long, deep puddle. Went from a smoothly braking car to a shuddering beast at the next stoplight.

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Posted: 11 Days 4 Hours ago by: News

Hondas... improper lug torquing plus thin-ish rotors led to warping.

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Posted: 11 Days 4 Hours ago by: sms

where the pads had to move parallel to the rotor axis to remain in What has happened, over the years, is that vehicle manufacturers have made the rotors as thin as possible to reduce the rotating mass of the wheel in order to increa

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Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I'm all for testing, as my cars are a quarter of a century old and when they break, I form an hypothesis and then I test that hypothesis so as to replace the part that needs to be replaced. One place I need your intuition on is this sen

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Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

You are correct that I'm only saying what the reliable sources are saying, as I don't know offhand what temperature brake fluid boils at, for example, but _they_ do (the people who made the references); and I trust them. *The 'Warped'

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Posted: 11 Days 7 Hours ago by: NY

"Andy Burnelli" <spam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:t5g3bk$1qs$1@gioia.aioe.org... I saw a demonstration in a TV program(me) about physics in the early 1980s, in which a car was repeatedly braked from high speed (and then accelerate

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Posted: 11 Days 7 Hours ago by: Xeno

You don't trust intuition, you listen to it, you make some assessments, and then you *test* what it is telling you. Nope, they were warped and wouldn't clean up *before* they went below minimum thickness. In the early days I tried a fe

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Posted: 11 Days 7 Hours ago by: NY

"Andy Burnelli" <spam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:t5g136$11db$1@gioia.aioe.org... OK, so what you (and all the sources you are quoting) are saying is that brake discs *don't* warp by any measurable amount because they are designed

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Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, I respect your experience, where I am never afraid to admit when I don't know something since there is an almost infinite amount of knowledge that I don't have. You have much of that knowledge that I do not have. I respect you

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Posted: 11 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Everything you ask is explained in this one PDF from Carroll Smith: *The 'Warped' Brake Disc & Other Myths of the Braking System* <https://centricparts.com/getmedia/bd69395a-b65c-481d-93f7-b26b1bd0638d/Centric_and_APC_Technical_Whitepa

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Posted: 11 Days 9 Hours ago by: Xeno

Short answer - no. The most common type of warped disc I have seen is more like a buckle. Think of it like a bicycle wheel that doesn't run true in the lateral plane. I have measured it and I have seen it when truing it on the brake

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Posted: 11 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Assuming you actually believe that, allow me to explain why intuition is a terrible thing if people trust their own intuition far more than they do facts. Me? I don't trust my intuition at all. I trust in facts. Facts from reliable sour

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Posted: 11 Days 9 Hours ago by: Xeno

I, for one, know that warped rotors do not necessarily *shudder*. What's more, I can differentiate between *shudder* and the myriad other symptoms that manifest themselves from brake faults. Intuition, for the most part, *develops* fr

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Posted: 11 Days 10 Hours ago by: NY

"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message news:2b4m7hp2le1tl7anjbnleua0jiu1qsmfep@4ax.com... Is "warp" the right word to use for a rotor (disc) that remains as a flat plane but with a surface that is not uniformly sm

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Posted: 11 Days 10 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Again, I'm going to repeat I'm highly educated, intelligent, and I've researched this subject for years, so just saying "I measured it" is like saying "I measured the earth and it's still flat, dammit". Having taken on the iKooks with f

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Posted: 11 Days 16 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yeah, "as in a potato chip" would be a bit too extreme. OTOH, I have *measured* warped rotors that were warped sufficiently to have an effect on the *steering*, even some that were too far gone to machine whilst still retaining minimum

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Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: Vic Smith

I agree that rotors don't warp "as in a potato chip." Rotors do warp "as in a warped rotor."

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Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: root

Years ago I used these in several cars/trucks. One unit I kept as spare new in the box. Years later, when I needed it, I found all the pins on the long chip on the circuit board had eroded away.

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Posted: 12 Days 1 Hour ago by: Lex Luthor

Not True, As CONDITION is everything. That dont even apply to Electrolytic Caps anymore as they are being built better and smaller and still work after 20+ years

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Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, I respect your knowledge and experience so I won't harp on it with you. I deal all the time with iKooks who can't handle the facts. Respect me that I'm highly educated, intelligent, and I speak the facts. Hence, I simply point

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Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Bullshit. The time to replace rotors is when they no longer meet the specs, and there are a few specs that they need to meet (cracks, thickness, gouges, etc.), but the main spec is the thickness. I've seen many people say the bullshit

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Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: sms

In the early days of disc brakes, the rotors were heavy and thick and could be resurfaced multiple times. Brake jobs were pretty inexpensive since rotors didn't need to be replaced, they were dropped onto a lathe. Back when I did my ow

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Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Xeno

Dial indicator with the disc mounted on a brake lathe is my choice. Much more accurate and allows you to ascertain exactly where the runout is and enables the mechanic to differentiate between such things at thickness variation, taper,

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Posted: 13 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Agreed. All you need is a long flat edge and feeler gauges as a minimum. I'm all about facts. I'll change my mind in a split second if that's where the facts lead. Let's look at the facts in this discussion between two adults on Usen

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Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Xeno

Or mounted on a brake lathe I wasn't saying anything about rebedding at all. Depends on the amount of warp and whether the rotor still meets minimum specs afterwards. It only takes a very small amount of warp for the driver to be able

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Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Remember, warp (as in potato chip) is _different_ from runout. Warp will cause runout but so will a lot of other things cause runout. Let's take those items one by one: a. wear b. distortion c. runout d. And the like Which one of thos

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Posted: 13 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Steve is a politician, so I simply call him out on his cherry picked bullshit above where I doubt Steve is smart enough to realize he used every bullshitter's trick in the book to make his bullshit argument above. Remember my main point

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Posted: 13 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Bear in mind I made a mistake in what I said since it was off the cuff... I looked back and I said "accidents" so please accept my apologies in that I meant the accident rate, as _anything_ causes accidents (even a duck waddling across

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Posted: 13 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Be careful when comprehending what I said, and not what you _think_ I said. Rain causes accidents. A good economy causes accidents. Construction causes accidents. Hot coffee causes accidents. Crying babies cause accidents. Driving whil

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Posted: 13 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

BTW, it's the _same_ wrong intuition on the warped rotors, or the intuition that if you pay more for an iPhone it _must_ be more powerful, etc. Intuition is a terrible thing. In the case of cellphone accidents, intuition is a terrible

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Posted: 13 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Hi Xeno, The problem here is that intuition is a terrible thing when it's wrong. I don't discuss anything with Rod Speed or Alan Baker (or Jock, who is just Rod Speed by another nym, et. al), but you can comprehend basic logic. First

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Posted: 13 Days 13 Hours ago by: sms

Andy Burnelli/Arlen Holder/Dean Hoffman/Nil/Robin Goodfellow/more is wrong of course™. According to the the NHTSA, for 2019 in the U.S.: Total fatal crashes: 33,244 Total fatalities in fatal crashes: 36,096 Fatal crashes caused by di

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Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Rod Speed

So is talking to the pax and listening to the radio.

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Sure... ....but if you want to go down that road, so is using or even listening to the radio...

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Of course they do. Arlen is (as usual) utterly ignorant of reality.

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

Yup! My BMW 135i MSport's rotors are like that. :-)

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Xeno

It is still a *distraction* from the primary function the driver should be focussed on - driving.

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Xeno

Distracted drivers using cellphones cause accidents.

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Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Xeno

When I was doing a lot of brake repairs, and operating a brake lathe, I came across many warped rotors. One is required, after all, to check discs and drums for wear, distortion, runout and the like. In my experience, there were two po

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Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Alan

This isn't marketing. It's quite obvious logic. Reading text messages is not something you want people to be doing while driving. Writing them on a tiny smartphone onscreen keyboard is insane. Handsfree phone use with your smart assi

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Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Alan

If the rotor was actually very hot...

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Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Alan

I'm not saying one should do a full-on, threshold-braking racing stop. (Which I am actually capable of doing) I'm just correcting a misconception about braking and heat. :-)

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Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I realize you're responding to another point from another person... My point is... In terms of what people call "rotor warp", the primary point I'm trying to make is that holding the pad against the hot rotor at the end of a stop is th

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Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

The primary reason that I brake early is for safety. Last minute is not a good idea.

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Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

Isn't it interesting how you've clipped and ignored all the facts presented. :-)

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Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Don't even get me started on the "cellphones cause accidents" intuition, by the way, as monkeys intuit all sorts of stuff that doesn't show up in independent statistics outside {police,insurance,law} politics. If someone wants to claim

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Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Regarding brake rotor warp (as in "potato chip"), that (almost) never happens on rotors that didn't come out of the factory already warped. Regarding temperatures, the _melting_ point is (almost) impossible to reach in braking operation

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Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: NY

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message news:t57i62$p1k$1@dont-email.me... I remember many years ago watching a "for schools and colleges" TV science programme at school about "energy". It talked about converting kinetic energy into o

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Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Alan

How shockingly stupid you are...

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Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Alan

Assuming a similar time to stop the vehicle, it makes no difference whether you stop quickly or slowly; the range of "quick" to "slow" isn't sufficiently different. If you start from the same speed, and brake to the same place...

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Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Good. Almost nobody knows that the key is to brake harder earlier, rather than braking harder later, and, most importantly, NOT leaving your foot on the pedal at the stop. I've never met a person in my life who was adamant that his roto

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Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Alan

Interesting but wrong. Do the math on a single stop from highway speed. My 2012 BMW 135i MSport Edition weights 4,255lbs, so stopping it from 60mph must dissipate 694,273 Joules. We'll assume that all the energy of the stop remains in

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Posted: 14 Days 17 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I always brake this way either way. It wigs me out when I ride with people who slow down quickly. Perhaps because I'm used to old beaters with less reliable braking systems, but I always take it easy and pulse the brakes when slowing

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Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: nospam

they are not common, especially in urban areas, where it's extremely rare to find a gravel road. it would have to be a *very* rural area for it to be 'quite common'.

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Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: sms

Not sure what country Xeno lives in, but in the U.S. gravel roads are still quite common, even short stretches in urban areas, especially on roads not maintained by the city or county. Sometimes the entity that controls the unpaved roa

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Posted: 15 Days 14 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Fortunately, those are already disassembled (at least one side). I've dealt with more difficult, but these were replaced with too-cheap parts in the near past, which might be why they came apart easier. I got more expensive ball join

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Posted: 15 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

The bad news is that they won't say and the bad news also is that if you call them up they won't even know what you're talking about - but - the good news is it's printed on every pad ever sold in the United States. So when I call for

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Posted: 15 Days 14 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I don't work in a rural area, but the commute is rural. Even living in Pittsburgh, PA, I recall a few roads that weren't fully paved. Of course, I have no experience with areas like LA.

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Posted: 15 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Good luck. As I recall, removal is the hard part. That's why the pickle fork is used. You put it horizontally to the connection and bang away until it just pops free. In _my_ experience, it pops after just a few bangs. Much like a U-Jo

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Posted: 15 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

You must live in a distinctly rural area. Where I live (country city) I need never see a gravel road I am forced to negotiate.

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Posted: 15 Days 16 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I don't see how anyone could entirely avoid gravel roads. A friend might have a gravel drive way to pull into; if nothing else. I drive urban and rural, and many side streets that sometimes have to be used if a road is blocked, are a

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Posted: 15 Days 16 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Ball joints just came in. The project will commence when the weather is better. Isn't there a special tool for inner tie rod ends? The last time that I had to have those done, I took it to a shop (that does work cheap for me). Of

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Posted: 15 Days 16 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

That, or in a few years when the original roofing shingles need to be replaced, part could be extended higher for a lift (depending on the cost of lumber). Many thanks! Typically; or a failing master cylinder, or a bad wheel cylinde

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Posted: 15 Days 21 Hours ago by: sms

What "Andy Burnelli" doesn't understand is the difference between an off-road capable SUV, and what are commonly referred to as MTVs (Mall Terrain Vehicles). MTVs are built on a car chassis, not a truck chassis. They don't have high

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Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: The Real Bev

Anyone who is serious about off-roading should buy a motorcycle. Period. We drove a rented Yaris around the floor of Monument Valley, but it wasn't pleasant -- much better ~50 years earlier on dirtbikes! Carry on.

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

I used to go "baja" with a 2WD chevy pickup so I don't disagree; but, most people who spend upwards of $80K for their brand new SUV perhaps don't. To be clear, I'll accept any facts but the only one who provided facts was me on the perc

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Posted: 16 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

It's telling that my goal on the Apple newsgroups is to tell the facts, which, not surprisingly, the trolls like Alan & Lewis call "lies". Why? I know why. Fun fact. Why is it that all the iKooks _hate_ any facts about Apple? Fun fa

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Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: Lewis

Because he lies constantly and makes up numbers constantly, so he assumes that everyone is just as shitty and dishonest and amoral as s/he/it is. Please, every time you're going to reply to him imagine that little chubby he gets and thi

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Posted: 16 Days 18 Hours ago by: Alan

Why is you just assume that any number you don't agree with must be some form of propaganda?

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Posted: 16 Days 18 Hours ago by: Ken Olson

My truck has the dents to prove it has been off-road.

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Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I think people have an agenda, just as I do with the iKooks. The best statistics I can find are between 12% and 18% according to car manufacturers for _specific_ vehicles (see that reference in this thread). Just as I'd halve the numbe

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Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I'm not sure why this is even being argued, where I personally haven't run the statistics, but from my experience, I would agree logically with those who say the only place "most" 4WD SUVs go "off road" are in the TV commercials. Howeve

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Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: nospam

unless it's sms, in which case, it applies to everyone.

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Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: Lewis

that's nice for you, it is still not the usual. And a whole lot of people will simply NOT drive on gravel or dirt roads at all. Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it usual.

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Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: nospam

most != all. a few do, and only on rare occasion, however, *most* do not.

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Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

I beg to differ. I live a very urban life in my BMW...

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Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Lewis

MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads, SMS is full of shit, as usual.

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Posted: 18 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Luckily, ball joints don't need much by way of tools, other than a pickle fork and a good mallet (and maybe an old-time grease gun for older cars). Tie rod ends also aren't too bad - just be sure to mark things first. The idler arm and

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Posted: 18 Days 12 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

One advantage of living in California is rusty bolts (almost) don't exist. If you ever need to choose the best penetrating oil, it's in this document <http://bit.ly/2FCrBpk>

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Posted: 18 Days 12 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Check out this video testing the penetrating oils for rusty bolts. <https://youtu.be/xUEob2oAKVs> <https://youtu.be/st8dkGzJWtg> Part two Fun Fact: ATF/Acetone mix came in second.

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Posted: 18 Days 12 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

No problem. You have the garage to die for, not only for automotive use, but also for woodworking (where a table saw, drill press, lathe, planer, grinder, sander, jig saw, etc., take up room). Once you have a wood shop, you can make all

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Posted: 18 Days 12 Hours ago by: Xeno

Ah, yes, rusty old bolts, know them well.

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Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Ah, I just assumed that they were more durable. I found the '75 Dart parked on a neighborhood street with a $800 sign in the window. I couldn't call the guy fast enough. It barely ran on really old gas. I puttered to a local fuel s

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Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

True, for the most part. The reason that I'm so addicted to early 90's Geo Metros is because the 3 cylinder 5 speed variety hatchback get an honest-to-God 50 MPG on the highway. How many cars owners can say that and not lie through t

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Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Actually, that's a pretty regular thing for me. I've still got the '89 Olds up on jacks because the lower ball joints both need done. Those little buggers aren't cheap. I did the outer tie rod ends when I bought it a couple of years

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Posted: 18 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I don't, aside from rough furniture repair and refinishing (to sell at the antique mall). Lots of old furniture in the garage. Although, for some reason, I'm subscribed to rec.woodworking Tempting for the dirt floor side; I'll have

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Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Alan

Don't I know it! It's certainly key on the track... :-D Very.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

For the record, I have been in the automotive industry in a professional capacity for *decades* and I still refer to 14" tyres. It isn't a big deal, really it isn't, so don't make it so.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

If you're talking about vehicle handling, then a discussion of slip angles is an imperative. Yep, start with the concept at one wheel and then, once understood, move onto all wheels at once to get the concept of handling. Handling is a

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Alan

I had no issue understanding what he MEANT...

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Alan

When someone consistently uses terms inaccurately, it's a fairly safe bet that they don't know the subject matter very well.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

I had no issue with what you wrote no with how you wrote it.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

It never fails that the iKooks (e.g., Alan Baker, nospam, Jolly Roger, Lewis, et. al) have nothing of value to add - so - just to be able to say something (anything) - they endlessly & childishly argue about nothing. Every _adult_ knew

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

Ability to fit larger brake discs and calipers is one. Better fuel efficiency is another. That's countered by the rough ride, faster tyre wear and increased potential for tyre and rim damage.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I realize you're using industry terminology and I'm not, so I appreciate that you clarified what you had meant by the "tighter slip angle". <https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/slip_angle.html> "Slip angle is the angle between a rollin

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

I repeat, you weren't, I was. And did.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

Leaf springs commonly break. It is one of the things I remember doing a lot of when most cars had semi-eliptical leaf springs back in the day. Used to replace a lot of broken coils springs too.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Xeno

The quicker steering is a direct *result* of the tighter slip angles. What it also does is reduce steering feel so, once tyres are close to the limit, shit happens real quick.

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Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

The kindergarten iKooks would have a field day with that sentence, even though every _adult_ knows exactly what Steve & Michael Trew meant. I didn't know about the ten minute requirement. Thanks. Most of my cars have to be put on the

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Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

You mean 14" rims...

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Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: nospam

he said 'in a county with no emissions', not the entire state. many states do not have emissions checks in rural areas.

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Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: sms

There are no emissions in Ohio? Amazing. Just got the first smog check on my wife's 2014 vehicle, there are no smog checks required for the first eight years. Since the smog checks now just involve reading the status of the sensors a

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Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

In my experience with 14 inch tires, they practically fall on and off the wheels, so for those tires, you have no good reason to be paying $20 for a mounting and balancing when it should be done for the price of a tire valve. It's the h

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Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

The overly simplistic answer that shows no real understanding...

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

Thanks for answering this question, where, um, er, that's what I said. Didn't I? (Anyway, I agree that the steering is the main beneficiary.) I would call it "quicker steering" in that the time between twisting the steering wheel & the

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

The only thing Alan Baker posts for on Usenet is to argue about nothing. But I _do_ want to know two things, if you know more about them, since you have far more experience in handling than I do (and I respect that). I was taught, long

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

I can tell instantly that you've never even once taken a vacuum tube apart. In addition, you've never smashed the tube in the old style TVs either. Worse, you add no value to _any_ Usenet conversation, nospam. You can't.

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Alan

Banal fact. Fun observation: you have no proof of that.

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

I bought well over a hundred gallons of gasoline two days before the war, and I'm almost empty now, so I'll find out what the gas prices are in California, but I'm expecting even Costco to be well nigh near six bucks. I bring that up on

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

Fun fact: If wheels don't shake at any speed, they're properly balanced. To those who want to _learn_ something from the pros, check this video out: *How to Balance Your Car's Tires at Home with the HF Static Balancer* <https://youtu.

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Alan

Running a tire down to the point that you can see the belts is utterly irresponsible.

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Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

They're all Windows, but yes, you're correct there are more Windows ngs alt.comp.os.windows-11 alt.comp.os.windows-10 alt.comp.os.windows-8 microsoft.public.windowsxp.general alt.comp.os.windows-2000 alt.comp.os.windows-95 alt.com

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Michael Trew

I've owned several. I currently have 5 Geo Metros. Some models had the 12" rim tires; others had 13". It's getting hard to find new 12" rim tires. My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also. All of my larger vehicles take 15's now.

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Michael Trew

Funny, I get annoyed with post 2000 cars. I'm quite irritated with my 2005 Hyundai Elantra. I don't like the hydraulic clutch, power windows, larger A-pillars, etc, etc. I enjoy driving the '89 Olds wagon. Can't wait to fix my '75

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: sms

It doesn't matter whether the vehicle is old or new, you still should be driving with properly balanced wheels.

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Burnelli

Oh wow. Most of "us" on Usenet were born before your parents were born! :) Yup. Bias ply tires suck compared to radial ply tires for example. And suspension systems have also improved. Drive trains too. When is the last time you had t

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Michael Trew

I guess the Windows 7 groups don't count anymore. I'm still subscribed to alt.windows7.general I'd love to have a lift, but the ceiling isn't high enough for the standard 2 or 4 post professional lifts. I could get a scissor lift t

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Michael Trew

I'm 27 years old, so I'm still allowed to use the "kid" excuse ;) To be fair, tires have gotten far more safe and reliable over time. I *have* recently driven on over 50 year old bias ply tires. The rubber hardened up, and on a slick

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Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: Alan

Dude... ...you're writing gibberish; raving about things no one has ever claimed. And making claims that are completely false.

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Posted: 19 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I was _wondering_ why you always disagree with what _everyone_ knows about internal resistance of (real) current sources (theoretical ones aside), until you made that statement above - which tells me why you hate facts. I didn't say any

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Posted: 19 Days 2 Hours ago by: Alan

Says the guy who things there is a "OBDII sensor"...

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Posted: 19 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

What's telling is that nospam's IQ is at least double that of Alan's. And Alan's is around 40 where he disputes everything that _nobody_ else would dispute - purely because that's the nature of people like that. Most people would strive

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Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Even worse, it's my observation that most SUVs in the _very flat_ Silicon Valley are 4WD, and almost _none_ of them ever get off the shoulder of the road. However, quite a few visit Tahoe to go skiiing... which is likely _why_ they adde

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Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

Linux? For consumers? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLLOLOLLLLOLOLOLLL Riiiight. Because there couldn't POSSIBLY be any other differences between different pads... Bullshit. And what makes one pad "better" than another? Bullshit. Whi

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Posted: 19 Days 4 Hours ago by: Alan

Oh, I know. I just find it telling that HE didn't know. :-)

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Posted: 19 Days 4 Hours ago by: Alan

No. The discussion wasn't about that.

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Posted: 19 Days 5 Hours ago by: nospam

only on rare occasion do they drive on gravel roads, and for a small number of owners. you're actually confirming what he said. chains are only required because the majority of drivers there have no idea how to drive in the snow, and

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Posted: 19 Days 6 Hours ago by: sms

Not sure what country you're in, but that statement is untrue in the U.S.. Where most vehicles, SUV or not, do drive on gravel roads on occasion. Many trailheads for hiking involve gravel roads, i.e. "Head south for 8 miles on House

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Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: nospam

they're made of glass, which means you could easily see what was inside, *without* 'taking them apart', an odd way to describe smashing the glass and potentially damaging the innards.

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Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: nospam

he's referring to emissions checks that are done by reading various sensors in the vehicle via obd-ii, versus the older tailpipe checks, sometimes done on a dyno and sometimes while idling in the inspection bay, depending on the state.

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Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: nospam

unlike you, who makes up stuff as he goes along, i use the established engineering definition, which is a parameter that can be measured. no. not just for high current demands. but at least you somewhat understand that high curren

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Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Xeno

You weren't, I was. And did.

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Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Xeno

Less sidewall flex therefore more directional steering. IOW, they reduce the slip angles. Given the tyres perform 10% or more of the springing function, lower profile tyres will ride more harshly than the standard profile tyre. Disreg

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Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Alan

But that's not what we were talking about. :-)

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Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Alan

There is no such thing as an "OBDII sensor".

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Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Alan

Wrong. And wrong. And one out of three! That's not even English.

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Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Alan

Wow. So much wrong in just a few sentences. Given the the speed rating only matters if you actually drive at the speeds involved... More things that you don't actually understand? Do some research. Maybe you'll figure it out.

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Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

You are correct in that my bimmer has wide tires and a lower profile ratio while my Toyota has tall tires and a higher profile ratio, where both would likely benefit from the substitution of wider tires & lower profile ratios. However,

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Wow. I don't think I've ever owned smaller than about 14 inch wheels on any passenger auto, where I saw that Michael Trew had 12 inch wheels. The 14 and 15 inch wheels are a breeze to mount and balance compared to the stiffer sidewall

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

One disadvantage of the older cars in California is they have to do the smog test on a dyno, which, one by one, are dropping out of the market. In California, newer cars get a smog check by the OBDII sensor instead.

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

At $20 per wheel, it would take about ten wheels to cover your basic cost for the HF tools if you can get them when they're (frequently) on sale. For example, is my bubble balancer in action (note the red/yellow dots). <https://i.posti

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Me too! Lighter fluid is hard to get out (unless you mean "charcoal lighter" fluid which I've never tried)... but I've tried acetone (but the problem is the lack of ability to "spray" it into the tire and what works best is MAF cleane

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Xeno

I haven't had a pre-1990 car since 1995. Now I don't even want a pre 2020 car.

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Xeno

Larger wheels with an overall larger diameter also negotiate potholed roads better than smaller diameter wheels. As a person who owned the original Minis with 10 inch wheels, I speak from experience. ;-)

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Xeno

Look at the *target market*. The manufacturer will put on the vehicle what they think the public wants, not necessarily what is best for *all-round use. Manufacturers are *market driven*. Low profile tyres make a lot of sense from a

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Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Well, if you don't mount and balance your own tires (note that Alan Baker got pedantic on you I see from your response), then you won't ever need to know about (a) match mounting marks on the _wheels_ and (b) the yellow & red dots on _ti

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Posted: 19 Days 16 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

There are five fundamental common consumer operating system newsgroups: <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android> <http://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux> <http://groups.g

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Posted: 19 Days 16 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Like most of the older guys here, I learned about vacuum tubes when my Dad would gather up a collection of them to take to the hardware store to test on the machine. I used to take them apart and marvel at the complexity of the insides.

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Posted: 19 Days 17 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Why does anyone even bother to respond to Alan Baker who is an utter moron. You'd think every _adult_ would already know this... but not Alan Baker. For Alan Baker to so brazenly be so confident in his ignorance is classic. I remembe

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I don't have any books on the matter, but I have an old vacuum tube tester, and some equipment to restore old tube radios and televisions -- although that hobby has been side-lined for a long time.

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I'm posting from the rec.autos.tech NG which is cross-posted into this thread; I'm not subscribed to the other two NG's anymore (never sub'd to the android NG); I trimmed my list of NG's significantly. I wouldn't relegate that behavior

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Yes. Eh, I don't know, I guess I'm biased. I drive old beaters; most of my cars are pre-1990.

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Hehe, I've done this with lighter or brake fluid and a match a few times...

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Well, the upside that I see is saving money. Most shops that mount/balance with their machine want to charge you $20+ per wheel these days. I buy used tires where ever I can find them. For my Geo Metro collection, I have a huge pile

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Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Interesting, I've never seen these markings. Then again, I always buy used tires, typically as cheap as I can find them. My favorite local shop will sell you a used tire with decent tread, and mount/balance it for a total cost of $30

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Posted: 19 Days 19 Hours ago by: nospam

he does, but in this case, there is surprisingly a bit of truth. different voltages. nimh/nicad rechargeable batteries have a nominal voltage of ~1.2v/cell, alkaline batteries are ~1.5v/cell and non-rechargeable lithium batteries are

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Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Alan

Riiiiiiiiiight. You know what would have been great there? A Google image search...

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Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Alan

I remind everyone that you actually said this: "1. Most things that require AAA don't actually _need_ AAA (this is key!) (The assumption that they're "smaller" very often is just not true.) " The assumption that AAA batteries are small

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Posted: 20 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Burnelli

BTW, as an example, Scotty Kilmer (whom I have a love/hate relationship with) actually stole one of my graphics for his tire balancing video! :) I'll say no more, but the point is that I document tire mounting and balancing at home so w

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Posted: 20 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Burnelli

It's nice to know there are adults here who can speak rationally. I agree that you can't help NOT get AAA battery requirements with some things, where even switching those AAA batteries to rechargeable AAA batteries won't work all the t

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Posted: 20 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Bear in mind this is an _adult_ discussion below, devoid of marketing BS. There are scientific reasons what all these things do in terms of handling: a. Wider tread b. Lower profile c. Larger diameter If they come with the vehicle stoc

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Posted: 20 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

You mean a 15" diameter WHEEL, don't you? :-) I'm kind of with you about needlessly large trucks, etc. My brother and I at one time each owned a RAM 1500, but mine was a 1998, while his was a 2017 or 2018. The difference in size was

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Posted: 20 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alan

But they're not AAA batteries as Arlen implies. They're not even AAAA batteries (which are a rare, but real thing)

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Posted: 20 Days 3 Hours ago by: sms

Not really necessary, but they do improve handling and increase traction. Manual tire changers are not expensive. The ones from Harbor Freight are sufficient for home use. The issue remains that static balancing should be avoided. Re

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Posted: 20 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

On the topic of marketing cleverly differentiating your air from theirs... my point is always that morons fall for every marketing trick in the book. *Nitrogen in Tires: A Complete Guide* <https://www.autolist.com/guides/nitrogen-in-ti

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Posted: 20 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

The only reason for mentioning the rim diameter is that the HF bead breaker tool has to be "modified" slightly for the larger diameter wheels on SUVs and light trucks. That modification simply is to extend the base a few inches so that t

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Posted: 20 Days 5 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

True, but some things, you can't help. Both my Roku box for the TV and the DVD/VCR combo take AAA batteries. I didn't design the remotes; they are what they are. No I haven't, but I looked it up. Looks like 6 little 1.5V batteries;

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Posted: 20 Days 5 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Why is a tire larger than 18 inches ever necessary for a non-commercial vehicle? I don't think I've ever had a vehicle (I've owned well over 30 vehicles) with a larger than 15 inch diameter tire. That includes my F-150 and C10 trucks

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Posted: 21 Days 12 Hours ago by: Xeno

Oh dear, and I thought we were getting somewhere with your education. Instead you are turning into a recalcitrant. Sad!

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Posted: 21 Days 13 Hours ago by: Alan

No! KPI makes camber go into the NEGATIVE.

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Posted: 21 Days 13 Hours ago by: Xeno

And, in so doing, increases camber to the positive. And you can *see* this effect just by turning the steering to either lock! Well done, you're learning something. Keep at it, you'll get there - eventually.

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Posted: 21 Days 14 Hours ago by: Thomas

Moving forward on that topic, I thank you for giving a rationale why it's the nearside tire that wears its outside edge the most on twisty roads. One confusion I still have is about the magnitude of the wear between the nearside tire ou

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Posted: 21 Days 14 Hours ago by: Alan

Wow. That video gets so much wrong.

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Posted: 21 Days 14 Hours ago by: Alan

In correct. Draw a diagram of a steering axis with normal, closer-to-the-the-vehicle-centre-at-the-top KPI and no caster at all. Whichever direction you move the steering will cause the stub axle to point downward.

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Posted: 21 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

Misses the point of KPI/SAI. This video clip doesn't; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcZ63unEyU

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Posted: 21 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

KPI creates a positive camber change.

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Posted: 21 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

Yes, my understanding precisely. And my car has to negotiate a lot of such tight turns on a daily basis, tighter to the left because we are in RHD country, on the right for LHD country. That's why I use the terms; nearside and offside

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Posted: 21 Days 15 Hours ago by: Xeno

It was, I think, this Weber Auto Youtube Channel; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKfTe2WSAMc It might not have been, was quite a while back and I have watched a lot of videos in the intervening period. It was a *classroom situation* a

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Alan

But not nearly enough to cause significant tire wear. Remember: most of the time, the tire is running in a straight line. KPI opposes camber change on the inside wheel of a turn. Caster is driving it positive: KPI is driving it negati

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Thomas

Thank you for that helpful clarification. The inside wheel on a tight turn goes from negative camber of a degree or half degree or whatever to positive camber of a degree or half degree or whatever in the process of negotiating that slow

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Alan

The inner wheel has camber gain from positive caster. No one is disputing that. Sorry, but that is completely wrong. That's true but not helpful, because it fails to mention that normal king pin inclination acts to cause camber lo

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Alan

Yes: that wheel is in SLIGHTLY positive camber...

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Alan

You can beg all you want. Does caster add camber when a wheel is steered outward (left for a right wheel)? Yes. Does king pin inclination oppose that change? Yup. Clearly...

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Thomas

This is a photo of the added positive camber on the inside front wheel that you are explaining happens during a slow speed sharp turn almost to lock. https://carfromjapan.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/2-4-1024x683.jpg That's from this

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Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: WaltS48

The wear on twisty roads is to the outside edge of the front tires, specifically due to increased positive camber on the inside front tire. This increased positive camber on turns causes uneven tire wear on the outside edge of the inside

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Posted: 21 Days 17 Hours ago by: Alan

Wrong. As I have already shown you.

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Posted: 21 Days 17 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Before you waste too much time on Alan Baker, he's a moron. He has an IQ of about 40 and, worse, he loves to disagree with _anything_ you can claim. You can reference any number of links and he won't even _read_ them before denying tha

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Posted: 21 Days 17 Hours ago by: Xeno

Beg to differ, the inside wheel camber tends to go more positive in a turn thus increasing camber gain. Just turn your wheels hard in one direction whilst parked and you can see that effect. The effect will be less on the *outside wheel

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Posted: 21 Days 17 Hours ago by: WaltS48

That's a nice summary. I looked for the youtube you speak of but it's not one of these. Weber Automotive Tire Care & Wheel Alignment https://youtu.be/pUp8sJWeHE4 The Importance of Car Alignments | Weber Automotive https://youtu.be/VqFy

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Posted: 21 Days 17 Hours ago by: Xeno

Technically, it should *reduce* the effect but, given the typical speeds where the tight turns are made, weight transfer will be minimal. Besides, the effect of camber gain from the combination of KPI/SAI plus Caster will far outweigh

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Posted: 21 Days 18 Hours ago by: Alan

Just a little follow up: 'If we now compare the effects in Figs. 7.16 and 7.17, we can see that if kingpin is introduced first, undesirable positive camber results from steering but if castor is then added in, negative camber is introd

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Posted: 21 Days 18 Hours ago by: Alan

Quantify that gain...

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Posted: 21 Days 18 Hours ago by: Xeno

The camber gain from KPI/SAI will always wear tyres more on the outside edge during high or full lock turns. Mountain driving, with sharp hairpin bends, will guarantee it. Even in normal city street driving, camber gain will be prevale

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Posted: 21 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alan

No one here that I saw used that phrase.

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Posted: 21 Days 20 Hours ago by: Alan

How is it that you can't quote where it was explained? But the inside tire in a corner goes into NEGATIVE camber; both from the roll of the vehicle to the outside AND because of the suspension moving into droop. I hate to pull an Ar

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Posted: 21 Days 20 Hours ago by: Thomas

How could you keep missing the answer when it was explained to you multiple times by multiple people? It was explained to you by someone else already and it's in the explanation of front tire wear on the outside edges that you already w

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Posted: 21 Days 20 Hours ago by: Alan

No. It isn't, so I couldn't miss it. But if you think the explanation is in anything provided so far...

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Posted: 21 Days 20 Hours ago by: Thomas

The person I was asking already explained it to you as he's aware of the effect that with a positive kingpin angle the outside wheel in a corner will gain positive camber and the inside wheel will lose positive camber. Let him answer th

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Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Alan

Define your terms. What is "increased camber based scrub radius" even supposed to mean? First demonstrate that any such effect exists.

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Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Alan

And? Let's speak accurately. You've yet to demonstrate that the effect exists at all. Nope. You are utterly wrong. I'm talking about all things that affect camber. Look: I've been into vehicle dynamics for more than 40 years and ha

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Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Thomas

Does weight transfer to the front tires on a steep downhill turn have a compounding wear effect over and above the increased camber based scrub radius on the inside tire outside edge on those tight turns? Since kingpin angle (like c

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Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: WaltS48

It doesn't help the tires but it helps the tire provider's bottom line, or they wouldn't bother to do it. BTW, what did you think about the claim from somebody that steep twisty mountain driving doesn't wear tires any more than driving o

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Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Xeno

More likely to get the sharpest turns on a mountain road. Nothing to do with load transfer. Effect occurs even at low speeds. Think about KPI/SAI and its effect on camber in turns. You are only thinking of camber gain in bump and/or re

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Posted: 21 Days 21 Hours ago by: Xeno

For what its worth, using nitrogen in tyres is just another way to suck people into a *regular subscription payment* when they top up their tyres.

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Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Thomas

How is the force on the front tires different when traveling or braking on a level straight road from when traveling or braking on tight steep downhill curves? Read the explanation again on the causes of outside front tire wear. Write

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Posted: 21 Days 23 Hours ago by: Alan

Tight turns might cause wear (nothing to do with it being on a mountain)... ....but they won't cause it on the outside edge of the front inside tire... ....as that tire is only lightly loaded (load transfers to the outside tires when t

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Posted: 22 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

That link supplied to the government PDF is a nice find because it shows NHTSA found no practical advantage to nitrogen in tires, just as CR did. It's a gimmick. More to the point, only people with abnormally low IQ fall for paying ext

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Posted: 22 Days ago by: Alan

But you should check tire pressures with some regularity anyway, so what does it matter? Oh, I know. As it happens, I use nitrogen for my tires...

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Posted: 22 Days ago by: Andy Burnelli

Lewis has _never_ even once in his life ever read Consumer Reports. Why? I don't know why. I suspect Lewis gets _all_ his information from marketing advertisements. Instead of from reputable outfits. Like Consumer Reports is. FACT:

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Posted: 22 Days ago by: Thomas

Do you know why twisty mountain roads cause abnormal tire wear on the outside edges of the front inside tire on tight turns or not? The only solution for an otherwise properly aligned wheel is to lessen positive caster which decreases t

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Posted: 22 Days ago by: Ken Olson

If you're feeling down, get out your balloon!

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Posted: 22 Days ago by: Lewis

The biggest advantage for me is that the tires hold the pressure much better, so i don't have to go top-off the pressure. The reasons to not do it are expense (I get my tires at Costco, I do not pay extra for nitrogen and the tires are

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Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Alan

Wow. Basically everything drawn onto this image is wrong. You're showing a car that is clearly up on a jack on the side we cannot see to simulate the car rolling in a turn... ....but you're showing it rolling to the INSIDE, when in FAC

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Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Alan

Ha! It is to laugh!

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Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Olson

I want to try nitrous oxide in mine.

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Posted: 22 Days 1 Hour ago by: Alan

There are advantages to nitrogen...

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Posted: 22 Days 2 Hours ago by: wasbit

"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message <news:t4jl2h$id0$1@dont-email.me>... The gov cares about passenger tire underinflation accident reduction. The gov scoped their passenger car tire nitrogen study fifteen years ago. https

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Posted: 22 Days 2 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Consumer reports said the difference was 1.3 psi after an entire year. That's at about the level of reproducibility of a typical crap tire gauge. And that was for tires COMPLETELY inflated _multiple_ times at the start! *Should You Use

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Posted: 22 Days 3 Hours ago by: AJL

If you have to drive somewhere special to top up your tires you're paying extra with your time and trouble. I do my (normal air) top-ups in the comfort of my own garage... Yup. They get you to come down to their store to fill up...

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Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: sms

Exactly!! Seriously though, while I would not pay extra for nitrogen fill, since it's included with tire installation at Costco, I'll take it. Costco actually has a vested interest in using nitrogen because they include a road hazard

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

It's always consistent that the iKooks don't own the IQ or education to understand how marketing tries to differentiate what is, in essence, nothing different. The fact the iKooks fall for every marketing gimmick in the book is literaly

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Posted: 22 Days 9 Hours ago by: Lewis

Oh look, mr ignorant dipshit is spouting off uniformed bullshit. Again. Shocking. There are definite advantages to nitrogen filled tires, as 0.3 seconds on your favorite search engine will reveal.

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Posted: 22 Days 14 Hours ago by: wasbit

"Andy Burnelli" <spam@nospam.com>" wrote in message news:t4hl6o$s9i$1@gioia.aioe.org... My green cap tire fill is way more better than your black cap tire fill. If it wasn't way more better, why did they change the color of the cap?

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Posted: 22 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I agree with Steve in that I used to have Costco, Midas, Goodyear, etc., mount and balance my tires, even in the days I bought them from Tire Rack, and they all take more time than you might think they should, from the time you leave

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

The iKooks can't ever formulate a sensible argument on ANY topic. Why do you respond to Alan Baker? His IQ (at about 4) is half of yours, where even that is not saying much. Every time you respond to him (or to "Hank" or "Rod", et. al

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Posted: 23 Days ago by: sms

One negative about Costco's tire center. lately, is that they are understaffed. A couple of months ago, one tire on my wife's car blew out and I took the wheel and tire there for replacement since it wasn't repairable. It took about si

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Posted: 23 Days ago by: nospam

it is rather impressive, isn't it? don't confuse the poor child. he might think 'n' batteries are bigger yet. indeed. nothing a good lathe can't fix.

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Burnelli

As Steve noted, Harbor Freight sells crappy tools that get the job done. Just as you can buy an expensive smartphone or a cheap one, and for the most part, they both do exactly the same things (mostly) in the end... For example, just

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Alan

No, actually. Static balancing is acceptable in some situations, but far from all. And you don't describe the "_if_" Of course you have!

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Posted: 23 Days 1 Hour ago by: Alan

How is it you're so consistently an idiot about everything? AAA batteries are 44.5mm tall by 10.5mm in diameter AA batteries are 50.5mm tall by 14.mm in diameter. AAA batteries are always physically smaller than AA batteries and devic

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Posted: 23 Days 5 Hours ago by: sms

Yes, something like <https://www.harborfreight.com/portable-wheel-balancer-39741.html>. Even at 60 MPH you really should be properly balancing your tires. At Costco, mounting, lifetime-balancing, rotation, road hazard warranty, and

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Posted: 23 Days 5 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

Logic. Sense. Practicality. 1. Most things that require AAA don't actually _need_ AAA (this is key!) (The assumption that they're "smaller" very often is just not true.) 2. AAA cost about the same as AA which means they cost twice as

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Posted: 23 Days 6 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

The problem that anyone who has never worked on cars has with the term "dynamic balancing" is they fall prey to the fear-based marketing. Just as with Apple marketing always aiming that people quaking in their boots, so does tire & brak

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Posted: 23 Days 17 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

I rarely drive over 60 MPH. I've mounted little 12/13 inch Geo Metro wheels and just sent them without balancing at all before; so a cheap one would be good enough for most of my purposes. I drive old beater cars, and I currently own

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Posted: 26 Days 2 Hours ago by: J. P. Gilliver (John

The problem was the code was the opposite of what it said. And the buttons had to be pressed and NOT let up. I typed this procedure to tape on the top of the unit. The procedure is wrong in the documentation. https://www.manualslib.com/man

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Posted: 26 Days 14 Hours ago by: J. P. Gilliver (John

Do you know the process of getting a garage door opener clicker to work again? I had been using the "Clicker" brand hand held three button garage door opener clicker for years when it recently stopped working. It's gray with 3 blue butto

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Posted: 27 Days 3 Hours ago by: sms

A static wheel balancer is pretty inexpensive but it's not really a good idea to use one on tires that will be operated at high speed. A manual tire changer is also pretty cheap, under $100. But by the time you pay retail prices for

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Posted: 27 Days 4 Hours ago by: Michael Trew

Some drivers are more persnickety. I drive old beaters, and I usually use a few of my AAA tows per year. It's well worth it to pay for the middle tier of AAA with up to four 100 mile tows. Why no AAA batteries? I usually keep mult

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Posted: 28 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andy Burnelli

I'm similar to Vanguard in that I rely on the confidence of self reliance; however, we have wives and kids and grandkids, etc., who need that AAA card. Personally, I've found that you can "share" the AAA card, as the only entity that se

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