On 2021-07-21 10:15 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 15:24:38 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
>
>> In article <sd9djv$aou$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de>,
>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> schrieb:
>>>> In article <0arffgdgku8ij2hr2i4f4ptcnqsj25skvi@4ax.com>,
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 02:00:57 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>>>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>>>>>>> Directive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
>>>>>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
>>>>>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
>>>>>> as well as technologically!
>>>>>
>>>>> And he based that on experience with _how_ many ETs?
>>>>
>>>> As many as Wells had when he wrote _War of the WOrlds._
>>>
>>> That was a bitter satire on European colonianism.
>>
>> I know it was. But it did not stem from any experience with ETs.
>
> So ... the point of HG Wells' /War of the Worlds/ was ... that the
> Colonizers were destroyed by native micro-organisms?

It's an exaggeration. But it was inspired by the fact that tropical
diseases were the biggest obstacle that 19th century colonizers faced
when attempting to occupy.

On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>> Directive.
>
> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
> as well as technologically!

And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

In article <sdnii1$tc8$2@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>>> Directive.
>>
>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
>> as well as technologically!
>
>And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

Got pictures?

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 27/07/21 1:09 pm, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <sdnii1$tc8$2@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>>>> Directive.
>>>
>>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
>>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
>>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
>>> as well as technologically!
>>
>> And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.
>
> Got pictures?
>

Why do you need a bridge? I thought there were currently Californian
droughts and heat domes rather than raging torrents requiring means of
crossing? Have you considered the cost of transporting it from Mars?
Quadi may have set a low bar but he didn't ask for next week's pocket money.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 01:09:20 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <sdnii1$tc8$2@dont-email.me>,
>David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>>>> Directive.
>>>
>>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
>>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
>>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
>>> as well as technologically!
>>
>>And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.
>
>Got pictures?

Bridge on Mars? Come on, it should be a bridge on
Jupiter.(Blish--"They Shall Have Stars")

In article <sdnosj$uac$1@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On 27/07/21 1:09 pm, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <sdnii1$tc8$2@dont-email.me>,
>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>>>>> Directive.
>>>>
>>>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
>>>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
>>>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
>>>> as well as technologically!
>>>
>>> And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.
>>
>> Got pictures?
>>
>
>Why do you need a bridge? I thought there were currently Californian
>droughts and heat domes rather than raging torrents requiring means of
>crossing?

Well, we have a rather large bay with a substantial river pouring
into it from the northeast. But it's already got (counts on fingers)
at least five, and I'm not sure there aren't a couple more that I
don't know about because I don't drive.

Have you considered the cost of transporting it from Mars?
>Quadi may have set a low bar but he didn't ask for next week's pocket money.

No, I was just curious as to what kind of bridge you'd build on
Mars. Lower gravity, you could get some interesting shapes, but
you'd want to build it out of something tough, to withstand those
ferocious sandstorms.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:20:03 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <sdnii1$tc8$2...@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> >>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
> >>> Directive.

> >> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
> >> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
> >> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
> >> as well as technologically!

> >And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

> Got pictures?

Even without him providing any images, it is easy for me to determine
what that bridge probably looks like:

https://armenianweekly.com/2020/05/18/george-c-parker-the-brooklyn-bridge-and-the-madrid-principles/

John Savard

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 05:12:00 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <sdnosj$uac$1@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>On 27/07/21 1:09 pm, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <sdnii1$tc8$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
>>>>>> Directive.
>>>>>
>>>>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
>>>>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
>>>>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
>>>>> as well as technologically!
>>>>
>>>> And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.
>>>
>>> Got pictures?
>>>
>>
>>Why do you need a bridge? I thought there were currently Californian
>>droughts and heat domes rather than raging torrents requiring means of
>>crossing?
>
>Well, we have a rather large bay with a substantial river pouring
>into it from the northeast. But it's already got (counts on fingers)
>at least five, and I'm not sure there aren't a couple more that I
>don't know about because I don't drive.
>
> Have you considered the cost of transporting it from Mars?
>>Quadi may have set a low bar but he didn't ask for next week's pocket money.
>
>No, I was just curious as to what kind of bridge you'd build on
>Mars. Lower gravity, you could get some interesting shapes, but
>you'd want to build it out of something tough, to withstand those
>ferocious sandstorms.

The sandstorms aren't all that ferocious. No air density. They can
carry dust but that's about it.

J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 05:12:00 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:

>>No, I was just curious as to what kind of bridge you'd build on
>>Mars. Lower gravity, you could get some interesting shapes, but
>>you'd want to build it out of something tough, to withstand those
>>ferocious sandstorms.

> The sandstorms aren't all that ferocious. No air density. They can
> carry dust but that's about it.

Absolutely, that's the major blooper in "The Martian" - the most
you can get as dynamic pressure on Mars is a gentle breeze.

The author acknowledged it, though, he needed a plot device to
keep the hero on the planet.

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 1:25:03 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <sdnosj$uac$1...@dont-email.me>, Titus G <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >On 27/07/21 1:09 pm, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article <sdnii1$tc8$2...@dont-email.me>,
> >> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2021-07-21 3:00 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:38:17 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Be careful what you wish for. The Klingons don't have a Prime
> >>>>> Directive.
> >>>>
> >>>> But as Arthur C. Clarke has clearly explained, aggressive species
> >>>> destroy themselves before going into space; any advanced race
> >>>> that reaches Earth will be highly benevolent, morally ahead of us
> >>>> as well as technologically!
> >>>
> >>> And if you believe that I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.
> >>
> >> Got pictures?
> >>
> >
> >Why do you need a bridge? I thought there were currently Californian
> >droughts and heat domes rather than raging torrents requiring means of
> >crossing?
> Well, we have a rather large bay with a substantial river pouring
> into it from the northeast. But it's already got (counts on fingers)
> at least five, and I'm not sure there aren't a couple more that I
> don't know about because I don't drive.
> Have you considered the cost of transporting it from Mars?
> >Quadi may have set a low bar but he didn't ask for next week's pocket money.
> No, I was just curious as to what kind of bridge you'd build on
> Mars. Lower gravity, you could get some interesting shapes, but
> you'd want to build it out of something tough, to withstand those
> ferocious sandstorms.

The air is so thin that those 'ferocious sandstorms' actually carry dust,
and don't have enough oomph to do much of anything.

The author of 'the Martian' admitted that having wind blow over an
antenna was one of the ways he cheated.
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