I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
not be spam.

> I am MacK William UN, a senior officer at John F. Willians
> International Airport (JFK) New York.

I never knew that that's who JFK airport was named for. But
it makes perfect sense. If K can stand for potassium, it can
certainly stand for Willians. And we all remember the tragic
assasination of John F. Willians by Lee Harvey Armold.

> I have contacted you regarding an abandoned diplomatic ATM Card.
> The x-ray scan report of the ATM Card revealed some US dollar bill
> in it which could be approximately 5Million dollars and the official
> paper of the ATM MASTER CARD indicates your contact details.

I never knew that dollar bills were actually hidden inside ATM cards.
I foolishly thought that they came out of the machine I insert them
into. I guess I'll skip my next trip to the ATM, and just get the
money out of the card with tweezers and a magnifying glass without
ever leaving my room.

The largest bill I've seen is $100. I've heard of larger ones, but
never seen them. I wonder whose picture is on the 5 million dollar
bill. Maybe Sanford Wallace's? It's especially clever of the
government to make bills readable by x-ray.

> For your information, the ATM Master Card was abandoned by the
> diplomat agent who was on transit to your city because he was not
> able to pay the (JFK) clearance fee

Yes, that happens to me all the time. I keep forgetting to pay the
fee to transport my ATM card, so I have to just toss it on the floor
at the airport for a UN official to pick up. Also, the airlines keep
refusing to "transit" me to "my city." They keep insisting that I say
which city. I told them: *My* city.

> you will and sum of $100 USD to the FedEx Delivery Department being
> have to pay a payment for the Insurance Fee of the FedEx Company.

I'm trying to figure out what language this is in. The words look
like English, but the syntax, not so much.

> Yours Sincerely.
> MACK WILLIANM

I've never seen William spelled with an N before. Especially not when
it was spelled without the N earlier in the same message. Maybe his
(her?) name is actually Willia, and she's from New Mexico.

Email [redacted]@gmail.com

Of course all UN officials use Gmail for their official business, and
also have UN as their last name.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
>not be spam.
>
>> I am MacK William UN, a senior officer at John F. Willians
>> International Airport (JFK) New York.
>
>I never knew that that's who JFK airport was named for. But
>it makes perfect sense. If K can stand for potassium, it can
>certainly stand for Willians. And we all remember the tragic
>assasination of John F. Willians by Lee Harvey Armold.
>
>> I have contacted you regarding an abandoned diplomatic ATM Card.
>> The x-ray scan report of the ATM Card revealed some US dollar bill
>> in it which could be approximately 5Million dollars and the official
>> paper of the ATM MASTER CARD indicates your contact details.
>
>I never knew that dollar bills were actually hidden inside ATM cards.
>I foolishly thought that they came out of the machine I insert them
>into. I guess I'll skip my next trip to the ATM, and just get the
>money out of the card with tweezers and a magnifying glass without
>ever leaving my room.
>
>The largest bill I've seen is $100. I've heard of larger ones, but
>never seen them. I wonder whose picture is on the 5 million dollar
>bill. Maybe Sanford Wallace's? It's especially clever of the
>government to make bills readable by x-ray.
>
>> For your information, the ATM Master Card was abandoned by the
>> diplomat agent who was on transit to your city because he was not
>> able to pay the (JFK) clearance fee
>
>Yes, that happens to me all the time. I keep forgetting to pay the
>fee to transport my ATM card, so I have to just toss it on the floor
>at the airport for a UN official to pick up. Also, the airlines keep
>refusing to "transit" me to "my city." They keep insisting that I say
>which city. I told them: *My* city.
>
>> you will and sum of $100 USD to the FedEx Delivery Department being
>> have to pay a payment for the Insurance Fee of the FedEx Company.
>
>I'm trying to figure out what language this is in. The words look
>like English, but the syntax, not so much.
>
>> Yours Sincerely.
>> MACK WILLIANM
>
>I've never seen William spelled with an N before. Especially not when
>it was spelled without the N earlier in the same message. Maybe his
>(her?) name is actually Willia, and she's from New Mexico.
>
>Email [redacted]@gmail.com
>
>Of course all UN officials use Gmail for their official business, and
>also have UN as their last name.

I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone
number, my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He
wanted to send me a DNA test kit so they could add it to their
database on the relationship between cancer and heart trouble,
and they were going to send it. He actually sounded genuine.

But when the kit arrived, it was from a lab in *Pennsylvania,*
and said the tests had been ordered by a certain doctor whom I'd
never heard of, but I googled him and he's an oncologist, all
right-- in Tennessee. At this point I emailed my endocrinogist
with the details.

About that time somebody (different person, a woman) phoned me to
see if the kit arrived, and I said Yes it did, and what was this
testing lab in Pennsylvania about, and who was the oncologist in
Tennessee (where I have never been)? She started to hem and haw,
and I said, "If you don't know, can you transfer me to somebody
who does?" and she hung up.

I then got mail back from my endocrinologist, beginning, "Yikes!"
and giving me a .gov site to report it to. I haven't done it yet
(problems with a broken tooth, which got extracted today), but I
shall.

It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine
AND had my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me
was obviously phony and the joke was over.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

>
> I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone number,
> my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted to send me
> a DNA test kit so they could add it to their database on the
> relationship between cancer and heart trouble, and they were going to
> send it. He actually sounded genuine.
>
> But when the kit arrived, it was from a lab in *Pennsylvania,* and said
> the tests had been ordered by a certain doctor whom I'd never heard of,
> but I googled him and he's an oncologist, all right-- in Tennessee. At
> this point I emailed my endocrinogist with the details.
>
> About that time somebody (different person, a woman) phoned me to see if
> the kit arrived, and I said Yes it did, and what was this testing lab in
> Pennsylvania about, and who was the oncologist in Tennessee (where I
> have never been)? She started to hem and haw,
> and I said, "If you don't know, can you transfer me to somebody who
> does?" and she hung up.

> I then got mail back from my endocrinologist, beginning, "Yikes!"
> and giving me a .gov site to report it to. I haven't done it yet
> (problems with a broken tooth, which got extracted today), but I shall.
>
> It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine AND had
> my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me was obviously
> phony and the joke was over.

Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it
didn't begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it
because you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some
reason.

On 8/20/21 12:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine
> AND had my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me
> was obviously phony and the joke was over.

If a scammer could put together that much information on you, the "joke"
may be far from over. I'd check every bank and credit statement very
carefully for the next couple of months.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
Lynch) wrote:

>
> I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
> not be spam.

A few years ago, I got a spam that looked ever so genuine, until right at
the bottom where there was a button containing the text "Logine".

On 8/20/21 7:06 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
> In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
> Lynch) wrote:
>
>>
>> I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so it must
>> not be spam.
>
> A few years ago, I got a spam that looked ever so genuine, until right at
> the bottom where there was a button containing the text "Logine".
>

I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are no
buttons with hidden URLs to worry about. Unfortunately, some legitimate
lists I'm on make the plain text mail as unreadable as they can.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In article <ChJTI.26706$tv2.18553@fx45.iad>,
Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>>
>> I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone number,
>> my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted to send me
>> a DNA test kit so they could add it to their database on the
>> relationship between cancer and heart trouble, and they were going to
>> send it. He actually sounded genuine.
>>
>> But when the kit arrived, it was from a lab in *Pennsylvania,* and said
>> the tests had been ordered by a certain doctor whom I'd never heard of,
>> but I googled him and he's an oncologist, all right-- in Tennessee. At
>> this point I emailed my endocrinogist with the details.
>>
>> About that time somebody (different person, a woman) phoned me to see if
>> the kit arrived, and I said Yes it did, and what was this testing lab in
>> Pennsylvania about, and who was the oncologist in Tennessee (where I
>> have never been)? She started to hem and haw,
>> and I said, "If you don't know, can you transfer me to somebody who
>> does?" and she hung up.
>
>> I then got mail back from my endocrinologist, beginning, "Yikes!"
>> and giving me a .gov site to report it to. I haven't done it yet
>> (problems with a broken tooth, which got extracted today), but I shall.
>>
>> It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine AND had
>> my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me was obviously
>> phony and the joke was over.
>
>
>Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it
>didn't begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it
>because you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some
>reason.

Oh, no. Somebody had gotten hold of a lot of Medicare
information that *should* have been private. They would not have
done all that falsification for just one person.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <sfnrub$oo6$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>On 8/20/21 12:35 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> It is unnerving that the first guy was able to sound so genuine
>> AND had my Medicare number! Fortunately, the form they sent me
>> was obviously phony and the joke was over.
>
>If a scammer could put together that much information on you, the "joke"
>may be far from over. I'd check every bank and credit statement very
>carefully for the next couple of months.
>
Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
reimburse some of it), and Hal watches the credit card balance
like a hawk; it's paid down to nothing at the moment and he likes
to keep it that way.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote in
news:memo.20210820120721.20268B@pauldormer.cix.co.uk:

> In article <sfn8v4$efj$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net
> (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:
>
>>
>> I just got an email. It wasn't stopped by my spam filter, so
>> it must not be spam.
>
> A few years ago, I got a spam that looked ever so genuine, until
> right at the bottom where there was a button containing the text
> "Logine".

The one I got yesterday was "You have a new voicemail," with a link
that (according to Google) leands to a link, which leads to a link,
which leads to a fake login for either Gmail or Microsoft's
equivalent, which (after it harvests your credentials) actually logs
you into your account (where there's no voicemail). The screen shots
looke pretty good. If the entire idea hadn't been so ridiculous, I'm
have Googled it to find out if it was fake, rather than out of
curiosity as to which kind of scam it was.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:10:44 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> In article <ChJTI.26706$tv2.18553@fx45.iad>,
> Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone
>>> number, my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted
>>...

>>Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it didn't
>>begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it because
>>you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some reason.
>
> Oh, no. Somebody had gotten hold of a lot of Medicare information that
> *should* have been private. They would not have done all that
> falsification for just one person.

It's my guess that if you gave us the name of the Pennsylvania
lab and the Tennessee oncologist, one or more of us could,
with a little online research, suss out the deception.

In article <sfo8r0$bvu$1@dont-email.me>, garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com
(Gary McGath) wrote:

>
> I view my email as plain text whenever possible. Then there are no
> buttons with hidden URLs to worry about. Unfortunately, some
> legitimate
> lists I'm on make the plain text mail as unreadable as they can.

I tend to when using my desktop computer, but I use Thunderbird as well,
especially when I'm away. Also, PayPal notifications are totally
unreadable in text only. (Sometimes, the text is even in German, for
some reason.)

In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
> hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
> reimburse some of it),

Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:54:02 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>The one I got yesterday was "You have a new voicemail," with a link
>that (according to Google) leands to a link, which leads to a link,
>which leads to a fake login for either Gmail or Microsoft's
>equivalent, which (after it harvests your credentials) actually logs
>you into your account (where there's no voicemail). The screen shots
>looke pretty good. If the entire idea hadn't been so ridiculous, I'm
>have Googled it to find out if it was fake, rather than out of
>curiosity as to which kind of scam it was.

(tempting fate mode)

I must have upset someone, somewhere...

I hardly ever seem to get dodgy emails, despite not running a spam filter!

(/tempting fate mode)

But I do get a lot of the ""You have missed a call from your internet
provider. Your account will be disconnected in 24 hours due to illegal
activity, press 1 to speak to an account adviser" phone calls...

Since I'm NOT going to press 1, they aren't half so much fun as the "This is
your internet provider. There seems to be a problem with your router" calls.

No-one is surprised that I can keep them on the line for ages, are they,
although they do seem to hang up faster nowadays if they realise they are
talking to someone who can recognise a clue -before- it bites them.

Example

Scammer "There sees to be a problem with your internet connection."

Bearded Fan "Which one?"

S. "The one you use to connect to the internet"

BF. "Which one, I've got four different internet connections?"

S. "Liar, you are just wasting my time you (Expletive in a foreign language, I
presume)"

S. slams phone down in disgust.

The scammer was 50% right - I was trying to waste his time, but I do have four
separate internet connections - the home broadband, my smartphone, a Mi-Fi
unit, and there is a WiFi hotspot built into the car. :-)

Alan "easily amused, sometimes" Woodford
The Greying Lensman

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
Dormer) wrote:

>In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
>> hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
>> reimburse some of it),
>
>Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
>done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
>Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral
examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral
hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
implants, and denture fittings.
--

Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

Tim Merrigan

--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:48:37 -0700, Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
>Dormer) wrote:
>
>>In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
>>> hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
>>> reimburse some of it),
>>
>>Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
>>done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
>>Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.
>
>I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral
>examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral
>hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
>implants, and denture fittings.

Kind of like the difference between optometrists and ophthalmologists.
--

Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

Tim Merrigan

--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
>
>> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
>> hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
>> reimburse some of it),
>
> Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
> done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
> Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general
practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment
and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental
and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of
places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can
be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

In article <HeQTI.23092$Lv3.1683@fx08.iad>,
Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:10:44 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> In article <ChJTI.26706$tv2.18553@fx45.iad>,
>> Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:35:49 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I got a scam last week from somebody who knew my name, my phone
>>>> number, my street address, AND my Medicare account number. He wanted
>>>...
>
>
>>>Unlike the email sent to Keith, which was obvious spam because it didn't
>>>begin "Dear Mr. Lynch," whoever was working you was doing it because
>>>you, uniquely, must be important to somebody, for some reason.
>>
>> Oh, no. Somebody had gotten hold of a lot of Medicare information that
>> *should* have been private. They would not have done all that
>> falsification for just one person.
>
>
>It's my guess that if you gave us the name of the Pennsylvania
>lab and the Tennessee oncologist, one or more of us could,
>with a little online research, suss out the deception.
>
My endocrinologis sent me a site to report it to, and I really
need to quit stalling and do that. Googling the name of the lab
yielded only an online article on a different scam whose scammers
knock on the doors of elderly people and *ask them* for their
Medicare IDs! And get them, sometimes! May I be dead and buried
befor I get that dim.

The oncologist is apparently for real; whether he's actually
involved in the scam or is being used by the scammers without his
knowledge or consent, I don't know and it's not my place to find
out.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <memo.20210820170609.10676B@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer eight
>> hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my insurance will
>> reimburse some of it),
>
>Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist?

Mine is both a DDS and an MD. So was his partner, now retired,
and so is his current partner.

> I've just had root canal work
>done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
>Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.

Ouch! IIRC I had at least one root canal done by my (then)
dentist, but the extractions were done by an oral surgeon.
And this latest one cost me $850.00, but I am hoping that Blue
Shield and/or Medicare will reimburse some of it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <btsvhg5krfdjq2vr4ni45d405hvqg664fb@4ax.com>,
Alan Woodford <alan@thewoodfords.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:54:02 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>The one I got yesterday was "You have a new voicemail," with a link
>>that (according to Google) leands to a link, which leads to a link,
>>which leads to a fake login for either Gmail or Microsoft's
>>equivalent, which (after it harvests your credentials) actually logs
>>you into your account (where there's no voicemail). The screen shots
>>looke pretty good. If the entire idea hadn't been so ridiculous, I'm
>>have Googled it to find out if it was fake, rather than out of
>>curiosity as to which kind of scam it was.
>
>(tempting fate mode)
>
>I must have upset someone, somewhere...
>
>I hardly ever seem to get dodgy emails, despite not running a spam filter!
>
>(/tempting fate mode)
>
>But I do get a lot of the ""You have missed a call from your internet
>provider. Your account will be disconnected in 24 hours due to illegal
>activity, press 1 to speak to an account adviser" phone calls...
>
>Since I'm NOT going to press 1, they aren't half so much fun as the "This is
>your internet provider. There seems to be a problem with your router" calls.
>
>No-one is surprised that I can keep them on the line for ages, are they,
>although they do seem to hang up faster nowadays if they realise they are
>talking to someone who can recognise a clue -before- it bites them.
>
>Example
>
>Scammer "There sees to be a problem with your internet connection."
>
>Bearded Fan "Which one?"
>
>S. "The one you use to connect to the internet"
>
>BF. "Which one, I've got four different internet connections?"
>
>S. "Liar, you are just wasting my time you (Expletive in a foreign language, I
>presume)"
>
>S. slams phone down in disgust.
>
>The scammer was 50% right - I was trying to waste his time, but I do have four
>separate internet connections - the home broadband, my smartphone, a Mi-Fi
>unit, and there is a WiFi hotspot built into the car. :-)

Bravo!

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 8/20/21 2:48 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul
> Dormer) wrote:

>> Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root canal work
>> done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there are no National
>> Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been able to find.
>
> I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like oral
> examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space for oral
> hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root canals, dental
> implants, and denture fittings.
>

In my experience, I've had dentists do fillings, their assistants do
X-rays and cleanings, endodontists do root canals, and an oral surgeon
extract wisdom teeth.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote in
news:4huvhgdv7ihigg33r9tmvp1qbv2a4n22kr@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:48:37 -0700, Tim Merrigan
> <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk
>>(Paul Dormer) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com
>>>(Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer
>>>> eight hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my
>>>> insurance will reimburse some of it),
>>>
>>>Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root
>>>canal work done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there
>>>are no National Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been
>>>able to find.
>>
>>I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like
>>oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space
>>for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root
>>canals, dental implants, and denture fittings.
>
> Kind of like the difference between optometrists and
> ophthalmologists.

Not really, no. Dentists and oral surgeons are both medical doctors,
and is an opthamologist. And optometrist is a technician. Many have
some medical training, but are *far* from doctors.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <XnsAD8CA91EEA3C6taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote in
>news:4huvhgdv7ihigg33r9tmvp1qbv2a4n22kr@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:48:37 -0700, Tim Merrigan
>> <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:06 +0100 (BST), prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk
>>>(Paul Dormer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <qy53Dz.1oMM@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com
>>>>(Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I checked my bank balance yesterday (had to transfer
>>>>> eight hundred bucks to pay the oral surgeon; I *hope* my
>>>>> insurance will reimburse some of it),
>>>>
>>>>Is an oral surgeon the same as a dentist? I've just had root
>>>>canal work done and that was nearly a thousand quid, and there
>>>>are no National Health dentists in Guildford, that I've been
>>>>able to find.
>>>
>>>I don't know about in the UK but here, dentists do things like
>>>oral examinations and filling cavities (and provide office space
>>>for oral hygienists), while oral surgeons do things like root
>>>canals, dental implants, and denture fittings.
>>
>> Kind of like the difference between optometrists and
>> ophthalmologists.
>
>Not really, no. Dentists and oral surgeons are both medical doctors,
>and so is an opthamologist. An optometrist is a technician. Many have
>some medical training, but are *far* from doctors.
>
Correct.

(My aunt was one of the first female ophthalmologists in the US.
Years and years later, when a much younger female ophthalmologist
asked me who had given me my first pair of glasses, I named my
aunt, and the young woman said, "YOU KNEW DOROTHY MACDONALD!?!?"
So she had a certain degree of fame among her colleagues.)

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

<rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
>
>Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general
>practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment
>and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
>Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental
>and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of
>places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can
>be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.

Indeed. Oral surgeons have an MD, dentists have a DDS.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article <sfphjr$jk4$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> <rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
>>
>>Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general
>>practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment
>>and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
>>Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental
>>and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of
>>places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can
>>be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.
>
>Indeed. Oral surgeons have an MD, dentists have a DDS.

The three or four oral surgeons I've known have both the MD and
the DDS.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 10:20:01 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <sfphjr$jk4$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
> Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com> wrote:
> > <rksh...@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Oral surgeons are specialists while dentists are the equivalent of general
> >>practitioners. It's typical to see a dentist for checkups and basic treatment
> >>and get a referral to an oral surgeon for more complex procedures.
> >>Without going to far into the insanity that is the US medical system, dental
> >>and medical insurance have only slight overlap but oral surgery is one of
> >>places where they potentially do. Which policy/company pays and how much can
> >>be the subject of much debate with the patient being the primary loser.
> >
> >Indeed. Oral surgeons have an MD, dentists have a DDS.
> The three or four oral surgeons I've known have both the MD and
> the DDS.
> --

"My friend Harold said D.D.S. meant "Dey Died Screaming."

- Sam Levenson in "Everything But Money" (1966)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Levenson

--
Kevin R