Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
> Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that
> were obtained through willful deception by the police. They can
> still do it to adults, but it's a small gain.

Good. But unless it's matched to a requirement that the police record
all interrogations from the beginning, and that "the dog ate my tapes"
not be accepted as an excuse, it's worthless, since otherwise nothing
would keep the cops from lying to the court about whether they lied to
the suspect.
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

>Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that
>> were obtained through willful deception by the police. They can
>> still do it to adults, but it's a small gain.
>
>Good. But unless it's matched to a requirement that the police record
>all interrogations from the beginning, and that "the dog ate my tapes"
>not be accepted as an excuse, it's worthless, since otherwise nothing
>would keep the cops from lying to the court about whether they lied to
>the suspect.

IMHO any time one is in police custody (including being stopped on the
street, even if it's only to be asked directions) whether as a
witness, a victim, or a suspect, one is under arrest, and is subject
to all rights and protections (such as they are, e.g. Miranda rights,
and them explaining why one is being detained).

I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.
--

Qualified immuninity = vertual impunity.

Tim Merrigan

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On 8/22/2021 5:34 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
> <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>> Illinois has passed a law invalidating confessions by minors that
>>> were obtained through willful deception by the police. They can
>>> still do it to adults, but it's a small gain.
>>
>> Good. But unless it's matched to a requirement that the police record
>> all interrogations from the beginning, and that "the dog ate my tapes"
>> not be accepted as an excuse, it's worthless, since otherwise nothing
>> would keep the cops from lying to the court about whether they lied to
>> the suspect.
>
> IMHO any time one is in police custody (including being stopped on the
> street, even if it's only to be asked directions) whether as a
> witness, a victim, or a suspect, one is under arrest, and is subject
> to all rights and protections (such as they are, e.g. Miranda rights,
> and them explaining why one is being detained).
>
> I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
> to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
> investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.
>

I don't think I've ever seen a cop show that sometime in the series or
movie doesn't use questionable, or even outright illegal, methods but
since we're the good guys it's really ok.

Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> IMHO any time one is in police custody (including being stopped on
> the street, even if it's only to be asked directions) whether as a
> witness, a victim, or a suspect, one is under arrest,

No. For instance look up "Terry stop."

> and is subject to all rights and protections (such as they are, e.g.
> Miranda rights, and them explaining why one is being detained).

You always have the right not to talk to the police, whether or not
you are being detained. (There are rare exceptions for "mandatory
reporters," e.g. if you're a doctor or a teacher and you believe
a child is being abused, you're required to call the cops and
tell them.)

The Miranda warning is only required if you are being questioned and
are in police custody. Police custody includes arrest, Terry stops,
psychiatric holds, protective custody, and any other time you're not
free to go. Always answer any question with "Am I free to go?" And
respond to anything they say in response other than yes or no by
repeating that question.

Police love to intimidate you into thinking you aren't free to go,
then later claim in court that it was a friendly conversation and you
were always free to go. Make them commit to one or the other. If
they answer yes, then go without saying another word. If they answer
no, then say nothing except that you will say nothing without your
lawyer.

> I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
> to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
> investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.

They don't need a warrant to question you. They usually need a
warrant to either arrest or search you, but there are numerous
exceptions. Whether they have a warrant or not, you never have to
answer their questions, except possibly giving your name and address,
and I'd strongly recommend never answering their questions, even if
they claim you're not a suspect.

Anyone who thinks they can talk their way out of trouble just because
they're innocent should watch the 46-minute "Don't Talk to the Police"
YouTube video, made by a law professor talking to his class. People
have been convicted of drug sales just because they correctly answered
the question as to how many grams are in an ounce.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

In article <sfu1st$iqf$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
Lynch) wrote:

> > I had a car, it would be quicker for me to walk across the road to
> > the hospital.
>
> I've never lived that close to a hospital, but I can see Fairfax Inova
> Hospital out my bedroom window, just barely,

I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as there are
trees in the way. Also a supermarket. The road in question is the A3, a
major road from London to Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to
use a subway (in the UK sense of the word).

It takes me about five minutes to walk to the supermarket and maybe a
couple more minutes to continue to the hospital. When I had my prostate
operation ten years ago, they wouldn't let me walk home afterwards and
insisted in calling my brother out of a meeting in London to drive here
to collect me. Of course, once I got home, the first thing I had to do
was visit the supermarket.

On 8/22/21 8:22 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> On 8/22/2021 5:34 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
>> <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>

>> I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
>> to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
>> investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.
>>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a cop show that sometime in the series or
> movie doesn't use questionable, or even outright illegal, methods but
> since we're the good guys it's really ok.

I've watched some episodes of the German cop show "Mord mit Aussicht"
(murder with a view). Often I wonder how much German police authority
differs from the US, and how much is the writers making stuff up.

For example, in one episode the cops dug up the grave of a pet on the
suspect's property without getting a warrant or anything like it. The
purpose was to establish that the pet had been poisoned, which was a
link to a human victim having been poisoned. In the US that search would
be illegal, which doesn't guarantee cops wouldn't do it. Is it legal to
dig up someone's property in Germany on suspicion without a warrant? I
don't know.

In another episode, the crime took place just on the other side of a
state line, so the regular characters had to bring in cops from that
state. At least that much is the same.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In article <sg005a$urk$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>On 8/22/21 8:22 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>> On 8/22/2021 5:34 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:59:08 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
>>> <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>>
>
>>> I've noticed that in some cop shows (the Law & Order franchise comes
>>> to mind) the detectives seem to think the phrase "this is a murder
>>> investigation" trumps the requirement for warrants.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen a cop show that sometime in the series or
>> movie doesn't use questionable, or even outright illegal, methods but
>> since we're the good guys it's really ok.
>
>I've watched some episodes of the German cop show "Mord mit Aussicht"
>(murder with a view). Often I wonder how much German police authority
>differs from the US, and how much is the writers making stuff up.
>
>For example, in one episode the cops dug up the grave of a pet on the
>suspect's property without getting a warrant or anything like it. The
>purpose was to establish that the pet had been poisoned, which was a
>link to a human victim having been poisoned. In the US that search would
>be illegal, which doesn't guarantee cops wouldn't do it. Is it legal to
>dig up someone's property in Germany on suspicion without a warrant? I
>don't know.

There's a series of murder mysteries by Catherine Aird, set in England,
featuring a detective inspector and his hapless assistant, a
sergeant with boundless enthusiasm and an incomplete
understanding of the procedural rules. He's always digging into
suspects garbage bins, e.g., and finding out something
interesting that cannot be brought as evidence in court, but
which provides useful information that the inspector can follow
up by more appropriate means.

For example, an old woman, living alone with her cat, is murdered
in the course of a robbery. The feckless sergeant notices the
cat cleaning his paws, and takes samples of the blood under
its claws. Purely by accident, I'm sure, he manages to do this
in such a way that the blood is legitimate evidence.

Later on, a man is diagnosed with cat-scratch fever, with
infected lacerations on his legs; the blood matches and they get
a conviction. (The cat, meanwhile, has been adopted by the old
woman's niece, and is seen calmly sunning itself on a windowsill,
unable to give verbal evidence because it's a cat. As Peter
Beagle once put it, no cat has ever given anyone a straight
answer.)

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
> I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as there
> are trees in the way.

Likewise, but they're only in the way in summer.

> The road in question is the A3, a major road from London to
> Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to use a subway
> (in the UK sense of the word).

Likewise, except the road the hospital and I are both on is Gallows
Road, and the hospital is about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) away, not directly
across. Directly across from me is a facility where very large dump
trucks bang their tailgates as loudly as possible, unfortunately.
At least they only do so all day. They used to also do so all night.
(I'm not quite directly on Gallows, but it's only 150 ft (50 m) from
my bedroom window.) But yes, I'd have to cross the road to get to
the hospital.

Directly across Gallows from Inova Fairfax Hospital is what used
to be the Exxon/Mobil headquarters but is now the Inova Center for
Personalized Health. (Ever since Obamacare put its thumb on the
scale, more and more of the US economy is devoted to medical care.
If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
a medical facility.)

> It takes me about five minutes to walk to the supermarket and maybe
> a couple more minutes to continue to the hospital.

The closest two supermarkets, an H-Mart and a Lidl, are both about
1000 ft (300 m) away. A Target is slightly further. But it takes me
more than five minutes as there are busy roads in the way, with no
pedestrian underpasses or overpasses.

> When I had my prostate operation ten years ago, they wouldn't let
> me walk home afterwards and insisted in calling my brother out of
> a meeting in London to drive here to collect me. Of course, once
> I got home, the first thing I had to do was visit the supermarket.

What could they have done had you walked home anyway?

Around here, supposedy every hospital patient is free to leave against
medical advice (AMA), unless they're under arrest or in a locked psych
ward. (Leaving AMA may cause your insurance to refuse to pay, however.)

But five years ago cops shot and killed a released patient at a bus stop
next to that hospital. Supposedly the patient was threatening them.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

In article <sg1iob$112$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
Lynch) wrote:

> If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
> the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
> a medical facility.)

There was an episode of the TV series Sleepy Hollow where 21st century
cop Abby gets transported back to the eighteenth century. As she is
about to enter a building she says, "This is a Starbucks in my day - a
coffee house." She then looks across the street. "And that is a
Starbucks, too. We like coffee."
>
> > It takes me about five minutes to walk to the supermarket and maybe
> > a couple more minutes to continue to the hospital.
>
> The closest two supermarkets, an H-Mart and a Lidl, are both about
> 1000 ft (300 m) away.

They've just opened the first Lidl in Guildford, near where I used to
work - about a mile away.

There is a retail park the other side of a railway bridge from my office.
Soon after we started working there, a branch of PC World was built and
opened there. PC World and Currys, an electronics and household goods
store, combined and the shop became Currys PC World.

Also in the park were two large hardware stores, B&Q and Homebase but a
couple of years ago, Homebase closed in Guildford. Then Currys PC World
moved into their old building. Then Lidl converted the old Currys and
opened there.

It would have been useful if they had been there when I was still working
there, but Tesco is so much closer to my house.

On 8/23/21 9:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
>> I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as there
>> are trees in the way.
> Likewise, but they're only in the way in summer.
>
>> The road in question is the A3, a major road from London to
>> Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to use a subway
>> (in the UK sense of the word).
> Likewise, except the road the hospital and I are both on is Gallows
> Road, and the hospital is about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) away, not directly
> across. Directly across from me is a facility where very large dump
> trucks bang their tailgates as loudly as possible, unfortunately.
> At least they only do so all day. They used to also do so all night.
> (I'm not quite directly on Gallows, but it's only 150 ft (50 m) from
> my bedroom window.) But yes, I'd have to cross the road to get to
> the hospital.

The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some
people claimed property damage, but I don't think any claims were
upheld. The guy who did it got a suspended fine.

I now live about three miles from the quarry. The blast was probably
audible here.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

On 8/24/21 5:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
> In article <sg1iob$112$1@reader2.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
> Lynch) wrote:
>
>> If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
>> the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
>> a medical facility.)
> There was an episode of the TV series Sleepy Hollow where 21st century
> cop Abby gets transported back to the eighteenth century. As she is
> about to enter a building she says, "This is a Starbucks in my day - a
> coffee house." She then looks across the street. "And that is a
> Starbucks, too. We like coffee."

Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
(Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
part of Greater Boston. Even so...

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>
>Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
>(Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
>There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
>close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
>part of Greater Boston. Even so...

During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their agents to
live off the land, teaching them to be able to find edible items under any
conditions and to survive off edible insects and roots. While, at the same
time the CIA assured the survival of their agents by making sure there was
a McDonalds every fifty feet across the face of the earth.

There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:24:49 -0400
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
[]
>
> The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
> occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
> year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
> reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some

I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd rather not have it happen.
What if 'they' decide on a different gender later?

> people claimed property damage, but I don't think any claims were
> upheld. The guy who did it got a suspended fine.
>
> I now live about three miles from the quarry. The blast was probably
> audible here.
>
> --
> Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:59:45 AM UTC-4, Paul Dormer wrote:

[snip]
> Then Lidl converted the old Currys and opened there.
>

Will Lidl sell you the makings of a curry? :)

If I walk or ride the bus ~ 1 mi I wind up in a commercial area that
has 3 supermarkets. No Lidl, but there's an Aldi. I haven't visited
that Aldi in months, but I use Instacart to deliver groceries from there.
They sent me loads of food 24 hours before TS Henri showed up.

My top floor apartment has rustic-looking back stairs as a fire escape.
If I am on the top landing, and the trees have not yet leafed out, I can
see those stores across the river. If I extend that bus ride a bit, I get
to our town's hospital. I have done that, or driven there. I could walk
up the hill from the intersection of the streets the markets are on, but
it is quite steep, and the hospital really ought to remotely monitor my
vital signs I'm while doing that!

One of the supermarkets was built on land that used to be the home of
Charlton Publications, publishers of THE BLUE BEETLE, CAPTAIN ATOM,
DR GRAVES, E-MAN, SPACE WESTERN and other muddily printed gems.

And, ObSF, : Charlton also put out a one-shot prose magazine in Summer,
1964, TALES OF TERROR FROM THE BEYOND.

http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/tales_of_terror_from_the_beyond

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?663948

--
Kevin R

Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
> If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
> the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
> a medical facility.)

You'll be able to avoid both by going to a small town...hospitals are
closing and Starbucks isn't interested in that demographic, except to
push bagged coffee in the local market.
We own some land outside of a town in Oklahoma (small, but still the
county seat and home to half the county's population). The closest
Starbucks is 72 miles away. They do have a hospital, for now, but most
of the people I know in the area end up travelling the 150 miles to Oklahoma
City (or sometimes the 250 to Dallas).

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

In article <bdec82a0-5aa5-4568-a4ca-7f2588b9ab6cn@googlegroups.com>,
kevrob@my-deja.com (Kevrob) wrote:

>
> > Then Lidl converted the old Currys and opened there.
> >
>
> Will Lidl sell you the makings of a curry? :)

I see what you did there. :-)

"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote in
news:sg1iob$112$1@reader2.panix.com:

> Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
>> I can't actually see the hospital from my bedroom window as
>> there are trees in the way.
>
> Likewise, but they're only in the way in summer.
>
>> The road in question is the A3, a major road from London to
>> Portsmouth. The safest way to cross it is to use a subway
>> (in the UK sense of the word).
>
> Likewise, except the road the hospital and I are both on is
> Gallows Road, and the hospital is about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) away,
> not directly across. Directly across from me is a facility
> where very large dump trucks bang their tailgates as loudly as
> possible, unfortunately. At least they only do so all day. They
> used to also do so all night. (I'm not quite directly on
> Gallows, but it's only 150 ft (50 m) from my bedroom window.)
> But yes, I'd have to cross the road to get to the hospital.
>
> Directly across Gallows from Inova Fairfax Hospital is what used
> to be the Exxon/Mobil headquarters but is now the Inova Center
> for Personalized Health. (Ever since Obamacare put its thumb on
> the scale, more and more of the US economy is devoted to medical
> care. If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every
> building in the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a
> Starbucks in a medical facility.)
>
I'm reminded of the Simpons gag with the Starbuks in a Starbucks.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <20210824162716.7ddc08029df1ed20290c2c27@127.0.0.1>,
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:24:49 -0400
>Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>[]
>>
>> The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
>> occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
>> year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
>> reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some
>
>I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd rather
>not have it happen.

Right. I assume, from your omission of injuries, that there
weren't any?

>What if 'they' decide on a different gender later?
>
Well, same as if the parents had decided not to find out the
gender before birth. Which is how it was when I was having kids.
Nurse, seeing my son emerge into the world: "It's a boy!"
Obstetrician, having had to deliver my son's Viking shoulders,
"No it's not, it's a human moose!"

A generation later, my son's and daughter-in-law's firstborn
(identified as male at birth), at not quite age four, said, "I want
to be a girl!" They said, "Okay, (And we're going to have to
research trans-friendly kindergartens.)"

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >
> >Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
> >(Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
> >There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
> >close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
> >part of Greater Boston. Even so...
> During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their agents to
> live off the land, teaching them to be able to find edible items under any
> conditions and to survive off edible insects and roots. While, at the same
> time the CIA assured the survival of their agents by making sure there was
> a McDonalds every fifty feet across the face of the earth.
>
> There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.

I ate at one in Tallinn, Estonia, in 1985, when the USSR was still a going
concern.

Pt

On 8/24/2021 7:29 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
> Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
> (Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given geographic point.
> There were something like 80 within 2 miles of my workplace. That was
> close to Harvard Square, so the 2-mile radius circle covered a large
> part of Greater Boston. Even so...

Old cartoon, two Starbucks executives. "I think we may be expanding too
fast. We just opened a Starbucks inside of a Starbucks."

Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:392cf926-e0b7-462a-bf52-28d8305c45f5n@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey
> wrote:
>> Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
>> >(Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given
>> >geographic point. There were something like 80 within 2 miles
>> >of my workplace. That was close to Harvard Square, so the
>> >2-mile radius circle covered a large part of Greater Boston.
>> >Even so...
>> During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their
>> agents to live off the land, teaching them to be able to find
>> edible items under any conditions and to survive off edible
>> insects and roots. While, at the same time the CIA assured the
>> survival of their agents by making sure there was a McDonalds
>> every fifty feet across the face of the earth.
>>
>> There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.
>
> I ate at one in Tallinn, Estonia, in 1985, when the USSR was
> still a going concern.
>
I recall the news coverage when the first McDonalds open in Moscow.
The line to apply was as long as the line to eat there, and the
average employee lasted about an hour before being let go, until they
got a crew they liked. The reason for both long (long, long, long)
lines was the same: McDonalds won't open a new location unless they
can guarantee supplies of food products needed to run it - including
meat (and employees were given one meal a day off the menu).

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:392cf926-e0b7-462a...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey
> > wrote:
> >> Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Once I was pointed at a website that showed how many Starbucks
> >> >(Starbuckses?) were located within 2 miles of a given
> >> >geographic point. There were something like 80 within 2 miles
> >> >of my workplace. That was close to Harvard Square, so the
> >> >2-mile radius circle covered a large part of Greater Boston.
> >> >Even so...
> >> During the cold war, it was claimed that the KGB taught their
> >> agents to live off the land, teaching them to be able to find
> >> edible items under any conditions and to survive off edible
> >> insects and roots. While, at the same time the CIA assured the
> >> survival of their agents by making sure there was a McDonalds
> >> every fifty feet across the face of the earth.
> >>
> >> There are over 750 McDonalds in Russia now. I guess we won.
> >
> > I ate at one in Tallinn, Estonia, in 1985, when the USSR was
> > still a going concern.
> >
> I recall the news coverage when the first McDonalds open in Moscow.
> The line to apply was as long as the line to eat there, and the
> average employee lasted about an hour before being let go, until they
> got a crew they liked. The reason for both long (long, long, long)
> lines was the same: McDonalds won't open a new location unless they
> can guarantee supplies of food products needed to run it - including
> meat (and employees were given one meal a day off the menu).

Well, you made me go and check. They say memory is the second
thing to go.

I was definitely in Soviet Estonia in 1985. However the first
McD there opened in 1995, when I was on another visit to
once-again independent (and non-Communist) Estonia. The
Moscow store you mention was in Jan 1990, almost 2 years
before the final breakup.

pt

On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:07:55 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>I recall the news coverage when the first McDonalds open in Moscow.
>The line to apply was as long as the line to eat there, and the
>average employee lasted about an hour before being let go, until they
>got a crew they liked. The reason for both long (long, long, long)
>lines was the same: McDonalds won't open a new location unless they
>can guarantee supplies of food products needed to run it - including
>meat (and employees were given one meal a day off the menu).

It made the news here today that all the Mcdonalds in the UK have run out of
milksahkes and bottled drinks!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58315152

It is mostly being blamed on a shortage of truck drivers, for various reasons
including Covid, Brexit (Our exit from the European Union, for anyone
fortunate enough not to have heard the term!), and the inability of our
government to organise a pi**-up in a brewery :-)

Alan Woodford
The Greying Lensman

On 8/24/21 12:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <20210824162716.7ddc08029df1ed20290c2c27@127.0.0.1>,
> Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:24:49 -0400
>> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> []
>>> The place I recently moved from is about a mile from a quarry, and
>>> occasional explosions are audible. One of them made national news this
>>> year, when someone detonated 80 pounds of Tannerite for a "gender
>>> reveal" party. It was noticeably louder then the usual explosions. Some
>> I'm not sure how much gender is revealed by exploding people; I'd rather
>> not have it happen.
> Right. I assume, from your omission of injuries, that there
> weren't any?
>

Correct. As I said, there may have been property damage, but as far as I
know no one has filed a successful claim. The reported cracks in walls
could have been there before.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

On 8/24/21 11:53 AM, rkshullat@rosettacondot.com wrote:
> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>> If current trends continue, by the 22nd century every building in
>> the US will be a Starbucks, a medical facility, or a Starbucks in
>> a medical facility.)
>
> You'll be able to avoid both by going to a small town...hospitals are
> closing and Starbucks isn't interested in that demographic, except to
> push bagged coffee in the local market.
> We own some land outside of a town in Oklahoma (small, but still the
> county seat and home to half the county's population). The closest
> Starbucks is 72 miles away. They do have a hospital, for now, but most
> of the people I know in the area end up travelling the 150 miles to Oklahoma
> City (or sometimes the 250 to Dallas).

There's a Starbucks less than 2 miles from where I now live, but it's
across the state line, in the city of Haverhill.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com