MSNBC�s Joy Reid claimed that Republicans loathe President Joe Biden
because he was vice president to President Barack Obama, who the host
inferred was not liked by conservatives because he was �the Black
president.�

Guests Matthew Dowd and former Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) joined The
ReidOut Wednesday to discuss the prospect of the Republican Party
gaining full control of Congress later this year.

Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has �failed.�

�If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
point where our democracy is failed,� Dowd said. �One of the problems
that I have with what�s happened over the last five years is that our
democracy has gone under a stress test.�

The former advisor to President George W. Bush then described the
country as being wounded and in need of a permanent cure, rather than
medicine to treat its symptoms.

Reid responded by stating she believes Republican voters are
fundamentally opposed to Biden because he served in the administration
of the country�s first Black commander-in-chief.

�Yeah. I mean, I totally agree with you. So, tomorrow president Biden
is going to speak, and there is a question of whether or not he
actually can change this, or he can alter it at all,� Reid said.
�Because unbelievably, he has become for Republicans as much of a sort
of figure of hatred, a hate object, as President Obama was. You know,
the Black president.

�Like, he was his vice president, maybe that�s part of it. I don�t know
what it is. But this is the like the most sort of norm, core Democrat
ever. He�s a moderate, you know, sort of ordinary Democrat. There�s
nothing outrageous about him, but they have cast him as some sort of
demonic character.�

--
Let's go Brandon!

Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has “failed.”
>
> “If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
> point where our democracy is failed,” Dowd said.

So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.

Unreal.

On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has “failed.”
>>
>> “If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>> point where our democracy is failed,” Dowd said.
>
> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
> Unreal.
>
That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
every election, there was voter fraud.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 04:31:13 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
wrote:

>MSNBC’s Joy Reid claimed that Republicans loathe President Joe Biden
>because he was vice president to President Barack Obama, who the host
>inferred was not liked by conservatives because he was “the Black
>president.”

That's an extraordinary claim so she had BETTER have a lot of
evidence. REALLY a lot of evidence.

>Guests Matthew Dowd and former Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) joined The
>ReidOut Wednesday to discuss the prospect of the Republican Party
>gaining full control of Congress later this year.
>
>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has “failed.”

So from Dowd's ponit of view has US democracy triumphed if the Dems
control both houses? A lot of this rhetoric strikes me as "we believe
in you win or tie"

>“If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>point where our democracy is failed,” Dowd said. “One of the problems
>that I have with what’s happened over the last five years is that our
>democracy has gone under a stress test.”
>
>The former advisor to President George W. Bush then described the
>country as being wounded and in need of a permanent cure, rather than
>medicine to treat its symptoms.
>
>Reid responded by stating she believes Republican voters are
>fundamentally opposed to Biden because he served in the administration
>of the country’s first Black commander-in-chief.
>
>“Yeah. I mean, I totally agree with you. So, tomorrow president Biden
>is going to speak, and there is a question of whether or not he
>actually can change this, or he can alter it at all,” Reid said.
>“Because unbelievably, he has become for Republicans as much of a sort
>of figure of hatred, a hate object, as President Obama was. You know,
>the Black president.

My problem with Reid is that she puts everything in racial terms when
it's really about policies which she ignores. Though I strongly
suspect she would have loathed Colin Powell.

>“Like, he was his vice president, maybe that’s part of it. I don’t know
>what it is. But this is the like the most sort of norm, core Democrat
>ever. He’s a moderate, you know, sort of ordinary Democrat. There’s
>nothing outrageous about him, but they have cast him as some sort of
>demonic character.”

He's being characterized as demonic because he isn't reining in the
more lunatic left elements of his party. You can't legitimately
portray yourself as a centrist while tolerating the endless sniping of
the Squad and their friends. Or at least taking their policy aims
seriously.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 09:38:35 -0600, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
>Unreal.

Sure sounds like it.

I feel the same way about Justin Trudeau but I haven't drunk the
'magic kool-aid' (reference to Jim Jones) yet.

I've cut Ubi-the-shithead's crosspost to a nonexistant newsgroup.

BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."

>>"If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.

>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.

>Unreal.

Another way to look at it is Democrats aren't offering a reason to vote
for them and the current Congress just doesn't care to demonstrate that
it can govern.

suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."

>>>"If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.

>>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.

>>Unreal.

>That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>every election, there was voter fraud.

Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election, and
Republicans turned out in record numbers and they won quite a few seats
in the House that Democrats held previously. They did quite well in state
elections.

They really really really need to stop whining.

no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has �failed.�
>>
>> �If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>> point where our democracy is failed,� Dowd said.
>
>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
>Unreal.

Nutcases? That's been mainstream for awhile now.

--
Let's go Brandon!

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>
>>>> "If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>> point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>
>>> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
>>> Unreal.
>
>> That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>> every election, there was voter fraud.
>
> Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election, and
> Republicans turned out in record numbers and they won quite a few seats
> in the House that Democrats held previously. They did quite well in state
> elections.
>
> They really really really need to stop whining.
>

I’ll stop whining when they stop stealing my ballot

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

On 1/10/2022 11:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>>
>>>>> "If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>>> point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>>
>>>> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>>> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>>
>>>> Unreal.
>>
>>> That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>>> every election, there was voter fraud.
>>
>> Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election, and
>> Republicans turned out in record numbers and they won quite a few seats
>> in the House that Democrats held previously. They did quite well in state
>> elections.
>>
>> They really really really need to stop whining.
>>
>
> I’ll stop whining when they stop stealing my ballot
>
That's not anyone's fault except your local post office.

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>
>>>> "If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>> point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>
>>> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
>>> Unreal.
>
>> That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>> every election, there was voter fraud.
>
> Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election

What no one seems to remember is that a wide range of Democrats were also
saying that if Trump won in 2020 that would be evidence of election
tampering.

> They really really really need to stop whining.

I don't think it's whining to tell them they're full of shit when they
clutch their pearls and bemoan the end of democracy if Democrats don't win
everything forever and ever and ever.

BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>>>>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>>>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>>>>>"If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>>>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>>>point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.

>>>>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>>>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.

>>>>Unreal.

>>>That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>>>every election, there was voter fraud.

>>Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election

>What no one seems to remember is that a wide range of Democrats were also
>saying that if Trump won in 2020 that would be evidence of election
>tampering.

Ok. ANYONE who makes shit up, attempting to cause trouble, with no
evidence whatsoever, needs to shut the fuck up. If they won't shut the
fuck up, then those who hear this shit need to stop passing it along as
if there is anything to it other than a malicious rumor.

>>They really really really need to stop whining.

>I don't think it's whining to tell them they're full of shit when they
>clutch their pearls and bemoan the end of democracy if Democrats don't win
>everything forever and ever and ever.

I didn't say that. In another followup that you failed to acknowledge, I
called out my own party for political incompetence.

In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.

In article <srhovs$sn64$1@solani.org>, suzee@imbris.com wrote:
> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has “failed.”
>>>
>>> “If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>> point where our democracy is failed,” Dowd said.
>>
>> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>>
>> Unreal.
>
>That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>every election, there was voter fraud.

Wrong. Democrats have cried "voter fraud" since Al Gore failed to steal
the election in 2000; in fact, they now do it pre-emptively, like they
did in the last two elections (2016 and 2020). What is it with leftists
accussing others of what they do?

--
Trump won.

In article <srhsaf$n4i$2@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>>>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>>>>
>>>>"If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>>point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>>>
>>>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>>>
>>>Unreal.
>>
>>That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>>every election, there was voter fraud.
>
>Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election, and
>Republicans turned out in record numbers and they won quite a few seats
>in the House that Democrats held previously. They did quite well in state
>elections.

I do not recall him pre-emptively declaring "voter fruad", but the signs were
there, like the mass mailing of ballots and Unconstitutional voter law
changes that facilitated voter fraud.

--
Let's go Brandon!

lcraver@home.ca wrote:

>My problem with Reid is that she puts everything in racial terms when
>it's really about policies which she ignores.

I'd like to think that's why she's losing her show, but this is MSNBC.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:38:04 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>>>>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>
>>>>>>"If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>>>>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>>>>point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>
>>>>>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>>>>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
>>>>>Unreal.
>
>>>>That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>>>>every election, there was voter fraud.
>
>>>Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election
>
>>What no one seems to remember is that a wide range of Democrats were also
>>saying that if Trump won in 2020 that would be evidence of election
>>tampering.
>
>Ok. ANYONE who makes shit up, attempting to cause trouble, with no
>evidence whatsoever, needs to shut the fuck up. If they won't shut the
>fuck up, then those who hear this shit need to stop passing it along as
>if there is anything to it other than a malicious rumor.
>
>>>They really really really need to stop whining.
>
>>I don't think it's whining to tell them they're full of shit when they
>>clutch their pearls and bemoan the end of democracy if Democrats don't win
>>everything forever and ever and ever.
>
>I didn't say that. In another followup that you failed to acknowledge, I
>called out my own party for political incompetence.
>
>In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
>general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
>stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.

What I find so bizarre is how those vary same Republicans who claim
that the election was stolen won't address the fact that many of the
people involved in verifying the election results were Republicans and
Trump supporters (as in the Georgia Governor and the Secretary of
State.)

On 1/10/2022 1:49 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:38:04 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>>>>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>>
>>>>>>> "If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>>>>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>>>>> point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>>
>>>>>> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>>>>> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>>
>>>>>> Unreal.
>>
>>>>> That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>>>>> every election, there was voter fraud.
>>
>>>> Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election
>>
>>> What no one seems to remember is that a wide range of Democrats were also
>>> saying that if Trump won in 2020 that would be evidence of election
>>> tampering.
>>
>> Ok. ANYONE who makes shit up, attempting to cause trouble, with no
>> evidence whatsoever, needs to shut the fuck up. If they won't shut the
>> fuck up, then those who hear this shit need to stop passing it along as
>> if there is anything to it other than a malicious rumor.
>>
>>>> They really really really need to stop whining.
>>
>>> I don't think it's whining to tell them they're full of shit when they
>>> clutch their pearls and bemoan the end of democracy if Democrats don't win
>>> everything forever and ever and ever.
>>
>> I didn't say that. In another followup that you failed to acknowledge, I
>> called out my own party for political incompetence.
>>
>> In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
>> general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
>> stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.
>
> What I find so bizarre is how those vary same Republicans who claim
> that the election was stolen won't address the fact that many of the
> people involved in verifying the election results were Republicans and
> Trump supporters (as in the Georgia Governor and the Secretary of
> State.)
>
Yes and if there was any voter fraud, why do they only say it was the
presidential results that were tampered with, but not the lesser
republican offices?

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:57:25 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>
>>>"If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>
>>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>
>>Unreal.
>
>Another way to look at it is Democrats aren't offering a reason to vote
>for them and the current Congress just doesn't care to demonstrate that
>it can govern.

That's not good - a party that takes victory for granted is very often
unpleasantly surprised. That's why they call it a 'campaign' not a
'battle'

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:49:43 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
>>general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
>>stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.
>
>What I find so bizarre is how those vary same Republicans who claim
>that the election was stolen won't address the fact that many of the
>people involved in verifying the election results were Republicans and
>Trump supporters (as in the Georgia Governor and the Secretary of
>State.)

Now that they're 2 1/2 years from the next election they need to get
their act together and start preparing for November 2024.

From the GOP's side of things the best thing that could happen would
be something bad to happen to Trump. Please note I'm NOT suggesting
assassination but rather the sort of awkward photos we normally
associate with Gary Hart (whose campaign after publication of those
photos imploded in epic fashion).

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who remembers 1988!

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:55:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:49:43 -0500, shawn
><nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
>>>general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
>>>stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.
>>
>>What I find so bizarre is how those vary same Republicans who claim
>>that the election was stolen won't address the fact that many of the
>>people involved in verifying the election results were Republicans and
>>Trump supporters (as in the Georgia Governor and the Secretary of
>>State.)
>
>Now that they're 2 1/2 years from the next election they need to get
>their act together and start preparing for November 2024.
>
>From the GOP's side of things the best thing that could happen would
>be something bad to happen to Trump. Please note I'm NOT suggesting
>assassination but rather the sort of awkward photos we normally
>associate with Gary Hart (whose campaign after publication of those
>photos imploded in epic fashion).
>
>I'm sure I'm not the only one here who remembers 1988!

I think we've reached a point where such pictures wouldn't matter.
Some supporters would say the pictures must be faked, others would use
it as a sign of Trump's virility. I'm not sure what would hurt Trump
with his strongest supporters at this point as they've proven
themselves able to explain away anything negative.

In article <sri4jl$166$1@solani.org>, suzee@imbris.com wrote:
> On 1/10/2022 11:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/10/2022 7:38 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>>>>> Dowd commented that if the GOP takes control of the House and Senate,
>>>>>> it will serve to him as proof that American democracy has "failed."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If the Republicans take the Congress back and the Senate in 2022 and
>>>>>> we have a presidential election unfold, then I think we are at the
>>>>>> point where our democracy is failed," Dowd said.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>>>> Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unreal.
>>>>
>>>> That seems to be the attitude of the republicans too. If they don't win
>>>> every election, there was voter fraud.
>>>
>>> Good point. Trump declared "voter fraud" before the 2020 election, and
>>> Republicans turned out in record numbers and they won quite a few seats
>>> in the House that Democrats held previously. They did quite well in state
>>> elections.
>>>
>>> They really really really need to stop whining.
>>
>> I'll stop whining when they stop stealing my ballot
>
>That's not anyone's fault except your local post office.

The Post Office is run by people who didn't want Trump to win.

[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

--
Let's go Brandon!

In article <sri5fc$j42$2@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:

>In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
>general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
>stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.

TROLL-O-METER
5* 6* *7
4* *8
3* *9
2* *10
1* | *stuporous
0* -*- *catatonic
* |\ *comatose
* \ *clinical death
* \ *biological death
* _\/ *demonic apparition
* * *damned for all eternity

In article <srimkk$t91a$3@solani.org>, suzee@imbris.com wrote:

>Yes and if there was any voter fraud, why do they only say it was the
>presidential results that were tampered with, but not the lesser
>republican offices?

That's because they didn't care to steal the downticket races.
Did you know a lot of those suspicious fake ballots only had a vote for
Biden? Next time, they'll work on filling in the rest of the ballots...

--
Trump won.

lcraver@home.ca wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>>In the face of Republicans have had a very good night after the 2020
>>>general election despite Trump's loss, they need to shut the fuck up and
>>>stop whining that the election was stolen. Clearly, it wasn't.
>>
>>What I find so bizarre is how those vary same Republicans who claim
>>that the election was stolen won't address the fact that many of the
>>people involved in verifying the election results were Republicans and
>>Trump supporters (as in the Georgia Governor and the Secretary of
>>State.)
>
>Now that they're 2 1/2 years from the next election they need to get
>their act together and start preparing for November 2024.

Alas, they're morons, so they'll be caught flat-footed again.

>From the GOP's side of things the best thing that could happen would
>be something bad to happen to Trump. Please note I'm NOT suggesting
>assassination but rather the sort of awkward photos we normally
>associate with Gary Hart (whose campaign after publication of those
>photos imploded in epic fashion).
>
>I'm sure I'm not the only one here who remembers 1988!

That's how 2020 would have ended, were it not for massive voter fraud.
The 2024 election should be the same if Trump runs, assuming no Democrat
voter fraud and too many people vote for him to steal it.

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Trump won.

lcraver@home.ca wrote:
> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>So we've reached the point where these nutcases are literally saying if
>>Democrats don't win every election from now on, democracy is over.
>>
>>Unreal.
>
>Sure sounds like it.

This is mainstream Democrat thought.

Vice President Kamala Harris' new communications director repeatedly wrote on
Twitter that his former boss, Al Gore, won the 2000 presidential election and
that George W. Bush was an "illegitimate" president.

Jamal Simmons, a longtime Democratic operative and political analyst, was
announced last week as the replacement for Ashley Etienne, who left the vice
president's office last month along with other staffers.

Between 2012 and 2021, Simmons tweeted multiple times about how he believes
Bush "stole" the election from Gore in 2000. Simmons, who was the deputy
communications director for the Gore-Lieberman campaign, also called Bush's
first term "illegitimate."

"@jpodhoretz I worked for Gore 2000 & believe W's 1st term to have been
illegitimate," Simmons tweeted. "Yet when in the room w/him I stood and gave
ofc respect."

In a 2017 tweet, Simmons replied to a Twitter account, whose tweets are
protected and unreadable, saying, "I said losing tickets. Gore Lieberman
didn't lose."

VP HARRIS' NEW COMMS DIRECTOR SUGGESTED BIDEN 'DAZED AND CONFUSED,' SLAMMED
TRUMP FOR 'JANKY SCIENCE VACCINE'

The revelation of these tweets comes as national Democrats paint Republicans
as the sole offenders of perpetuating the "Big Lie," a phrase that the media
and Democrats have used for former President Trump's claims that President
Biden stole the election from him in 2020.

A couple of weeks before President Biden was sworn in, Simmons continued to
tweet his thoughts about the 2000 election, saying he thought "W stole the
2000 [election]," but added that he "still stood when [Bush] entered a room."

A few years after the 2000 election, Simmons worked for then-Sen. Bob
Graham's failed presidential campaign, during which he alluded to the Florida
recount saying, "[Graham] knows firsthand what voting irregularities and
disenfranchisement can mean for the electoral process."

Simmons wasn't the only Democrat close to Gore who claimed that the election
was stolen from him. Former Democratic National Committe Chairman Terry
McAuliffe, who lost his gubernatorial race last November, questioned the 2000
election results several times.

"Our base voters are madder than heck and think they were robbed. They worked
their hearts and souls out in the presidential election only to have it taken
from them," McAuliffe said in 2001.

In a 2001 interview with Black Entertainment Television (BET), McAuliffe said
that the Democrats "won the campaign" in 2000 but "didn�t get the prize."

"Folks, you know it, I know it, they know it," McAuliffe said during another
Democratic event in 2001, referring to the 2000 election. "We won that
election."

Other notable Democrats who have claimed an election was "stolen" or that
they actually won, include two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary
Clinton and Stacey Abrams.

A White House official told Fox News that Simmons respected Gore�s decision
to respect the electoral process.

A day after Simmons' hiring was announced last week, he received backlash and
mockery on Twitter in response to Fox News Digital's reporting on some of his
old tweets, including a pair of posts that asked why ICE was not picking up
illegal immigrants who were speaking to MSNBC.

The backlash from progressive and immigration activists on Twitter pressured
him to release a statement that drew even more backlash from activists who
didn't believe he was sincere.

In a tweet on Friday, Simmons said, "As a pundit I tweeted+spoke A LOT. At
times I've been sarcastic, unclear or plainly missed the mark. I apologize
for offending ppl who care as much as I do about making America the best,
multiethnic, diverse democracy"

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Let's go Brandon!