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by: Spiros Bousbouras - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23 UTC

I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 17:29 UTC

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
>
> So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?

Maybe look on a bibliographic website?

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 17:30 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 10:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> >
> > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> Maybe look on a bibliographic website?

"Look, I don't think you see that..."

Oh, that's "leading argumentation" and although I see lots of it I don't have any idea how you ought to proceed with it.
I was just handling the "general, objective question" literally stated.

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by: Spiros Bousbouras - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:07 UTC

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> >
> > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
>
> Maybe look on a bibliographic website?

If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
I was hoping that someone on this group might know.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 22:03 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > >
> > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> >
> > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> I was hoping that someone on this group might know.

Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 22:19 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > >
> > > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> > >
> > > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> > If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> > there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> > ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> > websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> > I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
> Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"

Sometimes it's called "inanity".

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Tue, 1 Nov 2022 19:52 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> > > If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> > > there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> > > ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> > > websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> > > I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
> > Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
> Sometimes it's called "inanity".

"No, I don't think you see..."

That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 4 Nov 2022 01:16 UTC

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > > > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> > > > If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> > > > there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> > > > ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> > > > websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> > > > I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
> > > Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
> > Sometimes it's called "inanity".
> "No, I don't think you see..."
>
> That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?

"Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 4 Nov 2022 21:57 UTC

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > > > > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> > > > > If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> > > > > there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> > > > > ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> > > > > websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> > > > > I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
> > > > Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
> > > Sometimes it's called "inanity".
> > "No, I don't think you see..."
> >
> > That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?
> "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."

Yeah, "Wizard of Oz" vibes.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 20:56 UTC

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > > > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > > > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > > > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > > > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > > > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > > > > > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> > > > > > If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> > > > > > there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> > > > > > ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> > > > > > websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> > > > > > I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
> > > > > Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
> > > > Sometimes it's called "inanity".
> > > "No, I don't think you see..."
> > >
> > > That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?
> > "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."
> Yeah, "Wizard of Oz" vibes.

"No, I swear..." stuff can on for a long time, and yet what is supposedly "sworn" to is so feeble,
more feeble than the con-man has noticed, such that more and more "comes to light" about
who they are (cheaply, venally malicious jerks) and what they want (things they oughtn't to
want and *could* have by some more direct means, but are really "playing themselves
out of" with the can't-miss circular conceit).

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 22:23 UTC

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 1:56:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 6:16:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:03:40 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:23:30 PM UTC-7, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > > > > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > > > > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > > > > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > > > > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > > > > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > > > > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So is there a reliable way to learn the ISBN for the English translation of
> > > > > > > > > the *novel* "Crying out love..." ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maybe look on a bibliographic website?
> > > > > > > If I knew of a specific one , I would have searched already. I'm guessing
> > > > > > > there have to be websites which have an authoritative association between
> > > > > > > ISBNs and other aspects of books (author , title , format , etc.) ; perhaps
> > > > > > > websites run by publishers' associations. But I don't know of such a site and
> > > > > > > I was hoping that someone on this group might know.
> > > > > > Of the form: "This is a hoax, right?"
> > > > > Sometimes it's called "inanity".
> > > > "No, I don't think you see..."
> > > >
> > > > That it's a tiresome scam which you maybe find more convincing that it is?
> > > "Oh, I've done it over and over and you find... wait..."
> > Yeah, "Wizard of Oz" vibes.
> "No, I swear..." stuff can on for a long time, and yet what is supposedly "sworn" to is so feeble,
> more feeble than the con-man has noticed, such that more and more "comes to light" about
> who they are (cheaply, venally malicious jerks) and what they want (things they oughtn't to
> want and *could* have by some more direct means, but are really "playing themselves
> out of" with the can't-miss circular conceit).

Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the place to look for
such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no help", right?

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by: Spiros Bousbouras - Tue, 8 Nov 2022 12:09 UTC

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
> place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
> help", right?

This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic
presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
time I go to a public library.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Tue, 8 Nov 2022 21:14 UTC

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
> Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
> > place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
> > help", right?
> This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
> for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
> does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic
> presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
> time I go to a public library.

No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property,
"you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone
asking the question, etc.)

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Wed, 9 Nov 2022 22:30 UTC

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:14:38 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
> > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
> > > place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
> > > help", right?
> > This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
> > for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
> > does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic
> > presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
> > time I go to a public library.
> No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property,
> "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone
> asking the question, etc.)

"Any light rather than heat?" kind of stuff, isn't it?

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 21:34 UTC

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 2:30:48 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:14:38 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
> > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
> > > > place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
> > > > help", right?
> > > This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
> > > for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
> > > does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic
> > > presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
> > > time I go to a public library.
> > No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property,
> > "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone
> > asking the question, etc.)
> "Any light rather than heat?" kind of stuff, isn't it?

Like, it's kind of a well-known scam, "only they haven't heard of it"?

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 21:14 UTC

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:34:51 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 2:30:48 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:14:38 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:09:44 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:23:32 -0800 (PST)
> > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Partial indication: That the WorldCat website would be *indubitably* the
> > > > > place to look for such information, were you *really to need it*, is "no
> > > > > help", right?
> > > > This looks like it may help , thanks. I already did a search on the website
> > > > for "Crying out love in the center of the world" but apparently the website
> > > > does not play nicely with my browser and I got a page with just generic
> > > > presentational stuff i.e. nothing related to my search. I will try again next
> > > > time I go to a public library.
> > > No, we really know this as a "rambling-rose" con about intellectual property,
> > > "you can stop now" kind of stuff. (Learned it the other time we saw someone
> > > asking the question, etc.)
> > "Any light rather than heat?" kind of stuff, isn't it?
> Like, it's kind of a well-known scam, "only they haven't heard of it"?

Really pretty much *at all*? There's nothing to your "bit" but misdirection?

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
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> I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> formats so you can't reliably tell from those.

I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .

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On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:37:06 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .

"Like, it doesn't matter."

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:26 UTC

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:37:06 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
> > Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .
> "Like, it doesn't matter."

"No, it does."
As part of some stupid roundabout con, maybe. Otherwise not.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 19 Dec 2022 23:02 UTC

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:26:56 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:37:06 AM UTC-8, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 03:23:28 -0000 (UTC)
> > > Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm looking for the English translation of "Crying out love in the centre of
> > > > the world" also known as "Socrates in love" by Kyoichi Katayama ,
> > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates_in_Love .What complicates things a bit is that
> > > > there is also a manga and I want the novel , not the manga. A bit of googling
> > > > found 9781421501994 and 9781421501543 but I think these are for the manga.
> > > > amazon has the annoying habit of putting together the reviews for different
> > > > formats so you can't reliably tell from those.
> > > I can confirm now that the ISBN for the paperback is 9781421513928 .
> > "Like, it doesn't matter."
> "No, it does."
> As part of some stupid roundabout con, maybe. Otherwise not.

The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.

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On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
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>The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.

Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.

additional printings may or may not.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Tue, 27 Dec 2022 00:09 UTC

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
> <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
> Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.
>
> additional printings may or may not.

That is... just... not terribly informative.

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by: Pluted Pup - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 03:15 UTC

On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
> > <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
> > Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.
> >
> > additional printings may or may not.
>
> That is... just... not terribly informative.

It's not informative if you only read books that
don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
have ISBNs?

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 16:37 UTC

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
> > > <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
> > > Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.
> > >
> > > additional printings may or may not.
> >
> > That is... just... not terribly informative.
> It's not informative if you only read books that
> don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
> have ISBNs?

The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 16:38 UTC

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:37:57 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:15:08 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:09:10 -0800, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:05:56 PM UTC-8, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:02:55 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
> > > > <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The same book can have different ISBNs, of course.
> > > > Paperback and hardcover editions of the same title nearly always do.
> > > >
> > > > additional printings may or may not.
> > >
> > > That is... just... not terribly informative.
> > It's not informative if you only read books that
> > don't have ISBNs. So what do you read that doesn't
> > have ISBNs?
> The ISBN doesn't "individuate" the book in the sense of philosophical metaphysics.
> It's a relatively trivial guide to different physical editions of the book, being passed off as "important" as a clue to...

IOW, it's a pretty common "ruse" in the bookseller industry.

I've been there.

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How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Spiros Bousbouras
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
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Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Spiros Bousbouras
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
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Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
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Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Spiros Bousbouras
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
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Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	The Horny Goat
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Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	The Horny Goat
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Re: How do I find out the ISBN for a novel ?	Jeffrey Rubard