It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
worse today:

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37

I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
passerby and say it is meaningless.

--
Rhino

On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
> worse today:
>
> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>
>
> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>
You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
first place?" :P

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 7/17/2022 9:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
> worse today:

Wow, a shooting 'not getting worse' is quite a triumph for the 2nd
Amendment.

On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>> worse today:
>>
>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>
>>
>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>
> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
> first place?"  :P
>
"Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
(ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.

I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
"open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.

--
Rhino

On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>> being worse today:
>>>
>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>
>>>
>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>
>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>> first place?"  :P
>>
> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>
> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>
Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
up until he started shooting it at people.

And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.

--
Rhino

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>> being worse today:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>
>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>> first place?"  :P
>>>
>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>
>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>
>Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>up until he started shooting it at people.

As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.

>And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.

I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
rifle in a mall.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>> worse today:
>>>
>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>
>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>> first place?"  :P
>>
> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
> (ever?) use magazines

Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
get them to work reliably.

so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>
> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>
>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>
>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>> up until he started shooting it at people.
>
> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>
>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>
> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
> rifle in a mall.
>

My office was right by a gun shop and between us there was a Dairy Queen so
I was always seeing people going around heeled.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>
>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>
>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>>> up until he started shooting it at people.
>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>>> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>> rifle in a mall.
>
> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the vermin
> infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>
>

Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
transport them in a box.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On 7/18/2022 7:06 AM, Rhino wrote:
> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>> being worse today:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed
>>>> done by this passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>
>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>> first place?"  :P
>>>
>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The
>> bystander may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing
>> range in the mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>
>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>
> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
> up until he started shooting it at people.
>
> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>
A lot of us down here do too.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.

One of the first things I learned after I married was that my new wife
had a firearms acquisition certificate (required in purchase to
purchase a handgun in Canada and involved a police record check among
other things). Since the only gun I had ever handled was my father's
hunting rifle I was a bit taken aback as it's one helluva thing to
learn 2 days after your honeymoon (!) but she never felt the interest
to go back on the range again.

Guess I should have known as her uncle was an air force colonel.....

On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>> worse today:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>
>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>> first place?"  :P
>>>
>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>> (ever?) use magazines
>
> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
> get them to work reliably.
>
I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
seeing a video of it.

> so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>
>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>
>
>
>

--
Rhino

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 08:11:21 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>> worse today:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>
>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>> first place?"  :P
>>>
>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>> (ever?) use magazines
>
>Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>get them to work reliably.

Yeah, my dad's shotgun (the one that he had since as far back as I can
remember) was like that. A 12 gauge shotgun with multiple shots. I've
seen some of those drum designs in youtube videos but can't imagine
where someone would need something like that in real life.

> so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>
>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>

On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>>
>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>>>> up until he started shooting it at people.
>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>>>> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>> rifle in a mall.
>>
>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>> vermin
>> infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>
> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
> transport them in a box.

I've got news for them...

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:41:47 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>
>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>
>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>> get them to work reliably.
>>
>I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
>a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
>seeing a video of it.
>
>> so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.

I was a bit confused in my other video as the shotgun wasn't mag fed
but a pump action. So it did have multiple shots but not from a
magazine.
Now if you want to see a magazine fed shotgun here is one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6n1gPlGfA

And here is one that uses a drum for fast shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnrsvUanLfU

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:33:50 PM UTC-5, Rhino wrote:
> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
> worse today:
>
> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>
> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>
> --
> Rhino

Holy freeking shit. Only 3 dead at a Sunday mall outing. 2 injured for life. Good job Smith and Weston.

On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:41:47 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>
>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>
>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>> get them to work reliably.
>>
> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
> seeing a video of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uh3MuOq1LA

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>
>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>
>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>> get them to work reliably.
>>
> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
> seeing a video of it.
>

Here’s an article about them in general. Mines closest to the first
picture:

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/the-top-5-magazine-fed-shotguns/

The YouTube returns lots of hits for

Mossberg 590M

Hey! Here’s an unboxing video for my actual weapon:

https://youtu.be/6wzPQlfVBWs

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 08:11:21 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>
>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>
>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>> get them to work reliably.
>
> Yeah, my dad's shotgun (the one that he had since as far back as I can
> remember) was like that. A 12 gauge shotgun with multiple shots. I've
> seen some of those drum designs in youtube videos but can't imagine
> where someone would need something like that in real life.
>
>> so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>
>

After Jake Paul and his BLM cronies took down fashion square mall, they
proceeded to march through the shopping district towards my office. The
only places they spared were the mom and pop shops were the owners were
sitting inside with the lights on and guns evident.

You better believe I want a 25 round hot-swappable drum magazine for that!
Hell, I’ll take a Gatling gun.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>>>>> up until he started shooting it at people.
>>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>>>>> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>>> rifle in a mall.
>>>
>>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>> vermin
>>> infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>>
>> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>> transport them in a box.
>
> I've got news for them...
>

Yes?

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:41:47 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>>
>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>>
>>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>>> get them to work reliably.
>>>
>> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
>> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
>> seeing a video of it.
>>
>>> so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>
> I was a bit confused in my other video as the shotgun wasn't mag fed
> but a pump action. So it did have multiple shots but not from a
> magazine.
> Now if you want to see a magazine fed shotgun here is one.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6n1gPlGfA
>
> And here is one that uses a drum for fast shooting.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnrsvUanLfU
>
>

The only disadvantage to mine is that it doesn’t rack or pump so it doesn’t
make the scary shotgun noise. You just pull the trigger. Over and over and
over.

In the scary days after those riots, especially when their texts got out
saying the next time they were going to make sure to do white residential
homes, you took what you could get.

I seriously considered an AR 15 or similar but I really didn’t want
something that would go through the guy with the torch in my front yard and
continue across the street and go through the neighbors house as well.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On 2022-07-18 12:46 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:41:47 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>>
>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>>
>>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>>> get them to work reliably.
>>>
>> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
>> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
>> seeing a video of it.
>>
>>> so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>
> I was a bit confused in my other video as the shotgun wasn't mag fed
> but a pump action. So it did have multiple shots but not from a
> magazine.
> Now if you want to see a magazine fed shotgun here is one.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6n1gPlGfA
>
> And here is one that uses a drum for fast shooting.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnrsvUanLfU
>
Interesting videos! Thanks for digging that up :-)

--
Rhino

On 2022-07-18 12:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:41:47 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>>
>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>>
>>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>>> get them to work reliably.
>>>
>> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
>> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
>> seeing a video of it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uh3MuOq1LA
>
>
See? I told y'all that I didn't know much about guns! ;-)

--
Rhino

On 2022-07-18 1:16 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>>
>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>>
>>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>>> get them to work reliably.
>>>
>> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
>> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
>> seeing a video of it.
>>
>
> Here’s an article about them in general. Mines closest to the first
> picture:
>
> https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/the-top-5-magazine-fed-shotguns/
>
> The YouTube returns lots of hits for
>
> Mossberg 590M
>
> Hey! Here’s an unboxing video for my actual weapon:
>
> https://youtu.be/6wzPQlfVBWs
>
>
Thank you! Very enlightening!

--
Rhino

On Jul 18, 2022 at 10:31:55 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>>>>>> up until he started shooting it at people.
>>>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>>>>>> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>>>> rifle in a mall.
>>>>
>>>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>>> vermin
>>>> infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>>>
>>> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>>> transport them in a box.
>>
>> I've got news for them...
>>
> Yes?

They have people riding with guns all the time.