In article
<1463446609.679857760.605349.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
> >>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
> >>>>>>>> being worse today:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-repor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b149-7de4735fbe37
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
> >>>>>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by
> >>>>>>>> this passerby and say it is meaningless.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
> >>>>>>> first place?" :P
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
> >>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
> >>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
> >>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
> >>>>>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
> >>>>>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander
> >>>>>> may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
> >>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
> >>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
> >>>>>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
> >>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
> >>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
> >>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal
> >>>>> right up until he started shooting it at people.
> >>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
> >>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
> >>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
> >>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a
> >>>>> mall carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
> >>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
> >>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
> >>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
> >>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
> >>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
> >>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
> >>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
> >>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
> >>>> rifle in a mall.
> >>>
> >>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
> >> vermin infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
> >>>
> >> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
> >> transport them in a box.
> >
> > I've got news for them...
> >
>
> Yes?

Sounds like a great idea for an invention (if it already hasn't been
invented), a magnetometer that can detect people getting in cars who are
packin'. Seems like all you'd have to do is wire the area around the
back doors and have that hooked up to the main unit.

Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
gun helped).

On Jul 18, 2022 at 1:16:02 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid>
wrote:

> In article
> <1463446609.679857760.605349.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> > On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>> >>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>> >>>>>>>> being worse today:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-repor
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b149-7de4735fbe37
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
>> >>>>>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by
>> >>>>>>>> this passerby and say it is meaningless.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>> >>>>>>> first place?" :P
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>> >>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>> >>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>> >>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
>> >>>>>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
>> >>>>>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The
>>>>>>>> bystander
>> >>>>>> may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>> >>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>> >>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
>> >>>>>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>> >>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>> >>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>> >>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal
>> >>>>> right up until he started shooting it at people.
>> >>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>> >>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>> >>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>> >>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a
>> >>>>> mall carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>> >>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>> >>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>> >>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>> >>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>> >>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>> >>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>> >>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>> >>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>> >>>> rifle in a mall.
>> >>>
>> >>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>> >> vermin infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>> >>>
>> >> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>> >> transport them in a box.
>> >
>> > I've got news for them...
>> >
>> Yes?
>
> Sounds like a great idea for an invention (if it already hasn't been
> invented), a magnetometer that can detect people getting in cars who are
> packin'. Seems like all you'd have to do is wire the area around the
> back doors and have that hooked up to the main unit.

And then go through an aggravating rigamarole every time a person gets in the
car with a cell phone, key ring, belt buckle, or anything else made of metal.

And unless they're going to refuse rides to cops, they're still gonna have
people riding armed in their cars. I Ubered to and from LAX every time I was
sent on a job trip. Armed every time.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:42:37 -0500, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Jul 18, 2022 at 1:16:02 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <1463446609.679857760.605349.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> > On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>> >>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>> >>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-repor
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b149-7de4735fbe37
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
>>> >>>>>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by
>>> >>>>>>>> this passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>> >>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> >>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> >>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>> >>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
>>> >>>>>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
>>> >>>>>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The
>>>>>>>>> bystander
>>> >>>>>> may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>> >>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>> >>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
>>> >>>>>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>> >>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>> >>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>> >>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal
>>> >>>>> right up until he started shooting it at people.
>>> >>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>> >>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>> >>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>> >>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a
>>> >>>>> mall carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>> >>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>> >>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>> >>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>> >>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>> >>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>> >>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>> >>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>> >>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>> >>>> rifle in a mall.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>>> >> vermin infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>>> >> transport them in a box.
>>> >
>>> > I've got news for them...
>>> >
>>> Yes?
>>
>> Sounds like a great idea for an invention (if it already hasn't been
>> invented), a magnetometer that can detect people getting in cars who are
>> packin'. Seems like all you'd have to do is wire the area around the
>> back doors and have that hooked up to the main unit.
>
>And then go through an aggravating rigamarole every time a person gets in the
>car with a cell phone, key ring, belt buckle, or anything else made of metal.
>
>And unless they're going to refuse rides to cops, they're still gonna have
>people riding armed in their cars. I Ubered to and from LAX every time I was
>sent on a job trip. Armed every time.
>

Though how many times did you have a visible weapon that the driver
saw and said nothing? My guess is that if the driver sees a weapon
there's going to be a problem unless the passenger makes it clear up
front that they are a LEO and that's why they are carrying.

Though I wonder how many criminals would take advantage of a concealed
carry permit to rob an Uber/Lyft/Taxi driver?

On 7/18/2022 3:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 1:16:02 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <1463446609.679857760.605349.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> > On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>> >>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>> >>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>> >>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-repor
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b149-7de4735fbe37
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
>>> >>>>>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by
>>> >>>>>>>> this passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>> >>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>> >>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>> >>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>> >>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
>>> >>>>>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
>>> >>>>>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The
>>>>>>>>> bystander
>>> >>>>>> may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>> >>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>> >>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
>>> >>>>>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>> >>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>> >>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>> >>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal
>>> >>>>> right up until he started shooting it at people.
>>> >>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>> >>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>> >>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>> >>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a
>>> >>>>> mall carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>> >>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>> >>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>> >>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>> >>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>> >>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>> >>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>> >>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>> >>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>> >>>> rifle in a mall.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>>> >> vermin infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>>> >> transport them in a box.
>>> >
>>> > I've got news for them...
>>> >
>>> Yes?
>>
>> Sounds like a great idea for an invention (if it already hasn't been
>> invented), a magnetometer that can detect people getting in cars who are
>> packin'. Seems like all you'd have to do is wire the area around the
>> back doors and have that hooked up to the main unit.
>
> And then go through an aggravating rigamarole every time a person gets in the
> car with a cell phone, key ring, belt buckle, or anything else made of metal.

Because the quantity of metal won't be an issue? It's no wonder why
you're a science denier, you don't know dick.

On 2022-07-18 4:16 PM, super70s wrote:
> In article
> <1463446609.679857760.605349.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>>>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-repor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
>>>>>>>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by
>>>>>>>>>> this passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
>>>>>>>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
>>>>>>>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander
>>>>>>>> may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
>>>>>>>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>>>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>>>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>>>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal
>>>>>>> right up until he started shooting it at people.
>>>>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>>>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>>>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>>>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a
>>>>>>> mall carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>>>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>>>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>>>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>>>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>>>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>>>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>>>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>>>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>>>>> rifle in a mall.
>>>>>
>>>>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>>>> vermin infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>>>>
>>>> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>>>> transport them in a box.
>>>
>>> I've got news for them...
>>>
>>
>> Yes?
>
> Sounds like a great idea for an invention (if it already hasn't been
> invented), a magnetometer that can detect people getting in cars who are
> packin'. Seems like all you'd have to do is wire the area around the
> back doors and have that hooked up to the main unit.
>
>
> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
> gun helped).

A few years back, there was a case here in Southern Ontario of a guy who
was trying to sell his pickup truck. A couple of guys came to look it
over and then asked for a test drive; the owner consented and left with
the two guys. He was never seen again. Before long, police determined
that the two guys had killed him and then incinerated him; both were
convicted of thee Bosma murder and also the murder of an ex of one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dellen_Millard_and_Mark_Smich#Murder_of_Tim_Bosma

This got a lot of media attention in Ontario and possibly in your area
as well so this may have inspired your lawn mover buyer to pack some
heat when visiting strangers. Here in Ontario, it caused so much concern
that the police actually set up "safe buy" areas - one was in the police
station parking lot in the city where I lived at the time - so that
people could avoid the fate of Tim Bosma.

--
Rhino

On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
> In article
> <1463446609.679857760.605349.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>>>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-repor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform
>>>>>>>>>> incredible feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by
>>>>>>>>>> this passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that
>>>>>>>> isn't clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the
>>>>>>>> situation unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander
>>>>>>>> may have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal
>>>>>>>> for him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>>>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>>>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>>>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal
>>>>>>> right up until he started shooting it at people.
>>>>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>>>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>>>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>>>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a
>>>>>>> mall carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>>>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>>>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>>>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>>>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>>>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>>>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>>>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>>>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>>>>> rifle in a mall.
>>>>>
>>>>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>>>> vermin infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>>>>
>>>> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>>>> transport them in a box.
>>>
>>> I've got news for them...
>>>
>>
>> Yes?
>
> Sounds like a great idea for an invention (if it already hasn't been
> invented), a magnetometer that can detect people getting in cars who are
> packin'. Seems like all you'd have to do is wire the area around the
> back doors and have that hooked up to the main unit.
>
>
> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
> gun helped).
>
It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.

On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>
>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>> gun helped).
>>
> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.

You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-07-18 1:16 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-18 11:11 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from being
>>>>>>> worse today:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>> first place?"  :P
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>> (ever?) use magazines
>>>>
>>>> Mine does. Standard one holds five rounds. They had a drum which held some
>>>> thing like 20 but they never actually shipped them because they couldn’t
>>>> get them to work reliably.
>>>>
>>> I stand corrected! I've never seen or even heard of a shotgun that takes
>>> a detachable magazine. What brand/model is it? I'd be interested in
>>> seeing a video of it.
>>>
>>
>> Here’s an article about them in general. Mines closest to the first
>> picture:
>>
>> https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/the-top-5-magazine-fed-shotguns/
>>
>> The YouTube returns lots of hits for
>>
>> Mossberg 590M
>>
>> Hey! Here’s an unboxing video for my actual weapon:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/6wzPQlfVBWs
>>
>>
> Thank you! Very enlightening!
>

:)

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 10:31:55 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 8:17:42 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 10:28:09 UTC-4, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:22 -0400, Rhino
>>>>>> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 9:58 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-07-18 12:09 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2022 7:33 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It seems an armed bystander kept a mall shooting in Indiana from
>>>>>>>>>> being worse today:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can already imagine how the anti-gun people will perform incredible
>>>>>>>>>> feats of acrobatics to try to pooh-pooh the good deed done by this
>>>>>>>>>> passerby and say it is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean like "Why was he carrying a loaded shotgun in a mall in the
>>>>>>>>> first place?" :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of
>>>>>>>> ammo." I'm far from a gun expert but I don't think shotguns normally
>>>>>>>> (ever?) use magazines so it probably wasn't a shotgun that he was
>>>>>>>> carrying. As to whether the weapon was being carried loaded, that isn't
>>>>>>>> clear. Perhaps it was unloaded but when the bystander saw the situation
>>>>>>>> unfolding, he loaded the weapon to engage the shooter. The bystander may
>>>>>>>> have been carrying the weapon into a gun store or firing range in the
>>>>>>>> mall on a totally innocent errand for all we know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no idea what the gun regulations are in Indiana. Do they have
>>>>>>>> "open carry"? If so, it might have been completely normal and legal for
>>>>>>>> him to carry a loaded rifle even in a mall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hold the phone! I've just reread the paragraph I quoted here and it was
>>>>>>> the KILLER who had the long gun; elsewhere the article says the
>>>>>>> bystander (probably) had a handgun. Again, the shooter carrying a long
>>>>>>> gun - rifle or shotgun - might have been entirely legal and normal right
>>>>>>> up until he started shooting it at people.
>>>>>> As I understand it there was a recent change in the law which made
>>>>>> open carry legal. So while it may have been legal to do so I don't
>>>>>> expect many people walked around with weapons openly displayed.
>>>>>>> And yes, I expect I would be decidedly uneasy if I saw someone in a mall
>>>>>>> carrying any weapon openly but then I'm Canadian and the majority of
>>>>>>> Canadians probably find the sight of a visible gun uncomfortable
>>>>>>> anywhere other than the holster of a uniformed police officer. But then
>>>>>>> we don't have anything equivalent to the Second Amendment here.
>>>>>> I'm an American and my dad had guns from as far back as I recall. That
>>>>>> said if I saw a guy walking around in a field with a gun I wouldn't
>>>>>> think twice. In a mall I'm definitely not going to want to be near him
>>>>>> unless he's some sort of LEO/security guard. It's all in the context
>>>>>> as I don't expect people to be openly carrying, especially any sort of
>>>>>> rifle in a mall.
>>>>>
>>>>> I carried a rifle home on a bus on day as a teen, but that was before the
>>>> vermin
>>>>> infestation in Toronto so no one cared.
>>>>>
>>>> Uber and lift not only won’t let you have guns they won’t even let you
>>>> transport them in a box.
>>>
>>> I've got news for them...
>>>
>> Yes?
>
> They have people riding with guns all the time.
>

You would think. But the rules are such that if they catch you you get your
ride privileges revoked, presumably forever since I already can’t use Lyft
if Uber dumps me I’m in trouble.

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On 7/18/2022 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>
>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>> gun helped).
>>>
>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>
> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>
>
Yeahm, and how many more people might have been killed if there were a
couple more people with guns?

On Jul 18, 2022 at 5:15:08 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 7/18/2022 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>>> gun helped).
>>>>
>>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>>
>> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>>
> Yeahm, and how many more people might have been killed if there were a
> couple more people with guns?

Just one?

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>
>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>> gun helped).
>>>
>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>
> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>

I’ve reached my limit for free articles. I got as far as “white gunman”

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On Jul 18, 2022 at 7:29:26 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>>> gun helped).
>>>>
>>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>>
>> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>>
> I’ve reached my limit for free articles. I got as far as "white gunman".

It's just one of many stories detailing the shooting of ten people and
injuring of three others at a Buffalo grocery store in May.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 7:29:26 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>>>> gun helped).
>>>>>
>>>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>>>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>>>
>>> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>>>
>> I’ve reached my limit for free articles. I got as far as "white gunman".
>
> It's just one of many stories detailing the shooting of ten people and
injuring of three others at a Buffalo grocery store in May.
>

Thanks

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On 7/18/2022 9:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 7:29:26 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>>>> gun helped).
>>>>>
>>>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>>>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>>>
>>> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>>>
>> I’ve reached my limit for free articles. I got as far as "white gunman".
>
> It's just one of many stories detailing the shooting of ten people and
> injuring of three others at a Buffalo grocery store in May.

Many stories that non-white supremacists find noteworthy.

On 7/18/2022 8:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 5:15:08 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/2022 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>>>> gun helped).
>>>>>
>>>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>>>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>>>
>>> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
>>>
>> Yeahm, and how many more people might have been killed if there were a
>> couple more people with guns?
>
> Just one?
>
>

Yeahm.

On 7/18/2022 5:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2022 at 2:53:20 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/2022 1:16 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>
>>> Four or five years ago I sold a riding lawn mower through a local
>>> buy/sell site to a guy who showed up at my house with a gun and holster.
>>> I guess some people are weary about meeting up for transactions but he
>>> was on my turf, I thought it was pretty weird. Strange looking guy too,
>>> luckily the sale happened without any problems (other than the usual
>>> lowballing you run into with these situations -- maybe he thought the
>>> gun helped).
>>>
>> It's possible that it was one of those people who think they need a gun
>> to go to the grocery store and he's always armed.
>
> You don't need a gun at the grocery store... until you do.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting

Unless you're in any other civilized country on Earth, then you don't.
Conclusion: right wing assholes want the U.S. to have the ability of
people getting shot on a moment's notice.