On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:05:12 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > Yes, not known to the general public = obscure.
>
> > HTH and HAND.
> As most poetry is now to the general public in the modern age....

Unfortunately true.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-05-29 2:09 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>>> It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>>> [...]
>>> Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
>>> Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
>>> Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
>>> For O! it is not always May!
>>> [...]
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
>>
>> Okay, this is interesting[...] even [with] such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to [the] general public of modern times?

> I edited your question, because some people on the group seemed to have
> difficulty understanding it.

> I suspect the answer is very little. I know a few Longfellow poems, but
> I could state you only a few lines from memory. "Footprints on the sands
> of time" from "Psalm of Life", and almost an entire stanza of Paul Revere:

> Listen, my children, and you shall hear
> Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
> It was [something, something] in '75;
> Hardly a man is still alive
> Who remembers that famous day and year."

> Even poetry students don't encounter his work: he's in none of the
> anthologies I own, for example. I suspect that's a style thing; he wrote
> (1) popular poems with easily-understood messages, in (2) formal verse,
> both of which went out of style over 100 years ago. Why today's
> academics are still using stylistic judgements from 100 years ago,
> rather than making their own, is more of a mystery.

Quite interesting read, I thank....

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:12:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> The average man on the street isn't in a "literary circle", and most poets would be relatively obscure to such a person.

> No... most poets would be relatively unknown to them.

>

> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obscure

> 3 : relatively unknown: such as

> b : not prominent or famous // an obscure poet

There you go, I'm proven right by your own dictionary.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:00:15 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:12:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> The average man on the street isn't in a "literary circle", and most poets would be relatively obscure to such a person.
>
> > No... most poets would be relatively unknown to them.
>
> >
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obscure
>
> > 3 : relatively unknown: such as
>
> > b : not prominent or famous // an obscure poet
> There you go, I'm proven right by your own dictionary.
>

Damn but you're a dumbass, Donkey.

Longfellow was both prominent and famous in his time, and still is among poetry lovers (and literate people in general).

I'd tell you to invest in a dictionary, but you'd need to hire a tutor to explain it to you.

Michael Pendragon
"I'd think so, but never underestimate the stupidity of a troll."
-- Will Dockery, a man who should never be underestimated.

In my original post I stated that Longfellow is a famous poet.

Try to keep up, Pendragon.

😃

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> In my original post I stated that Longfellow is a famous poet.
>
> Try to keep up, Pendragon.

Then make your mind up, Donkey.

He's either famous or obscure -- not both.

Michael Pendragon
"I was influenced by the poetry of Edgar Allan Poland other poets but I don't consider that a topic to debate."
-- Will Dockery on his literary influences

Pretty much all poets are obscure to the general public in these modern times, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 8:18:45 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Pretty much all poets are obscure to the general public in these modern times, Pendragon.
>
> HTH and HAND.

There's just no teaching a dumbass donkey, Donkey.

<spam>

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 2:09:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > [...]
> > Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
> > Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
> > Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
> > For O! it is not always May!
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
> Okay, this is interesting, even such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to be general public of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> modern times?

See above, Pendragon. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 8:18:45 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Pretty much all poets are obscure to the general public in these modern times, Pendragon.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.

> There's just no teaching a dumbass

You're the dumbass who proves that point.

🙂

General-Zod wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:

>> On 2022-05-29 2:09 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>>>> It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>>>> [...]
>>>> Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
>>>> Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
>>>> Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
>>>> For O! it is not always May!
>>>> [...]
>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
>>>
>>> Okay, this is interesting[...] even [with] such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to [the] general public of modern times?

>> I edited your question, because some people on the group seemed to have
>> difficulty understanding it.

>> I suspect the answer is very little. I know a few Longfellow poems, but
>> I could state you only a few lines from memory. "Footprints on the sands
>> of time" from "Psalm of Life", and almost an entire stanza of Paul Revere:

>> Listen, my children, and you shall hear
>> Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
>> It was [something, something] in '75;
>> Hardly a man is still alive
>> Who remembers that famous day and year."

>> Even poetry students don't encounter his work: he's in none of the
>> anthologies I own, for example. I suspect that's a style thing; he wrote
>> (1) popular poems with easily-understood messages, in (2) formal verse,
>> both of which went out of style over 100 years ago. Why today's
>> academics are still using stylistic judgements from 100 years ago,
>> rather than making their own, is more of a mystery.

> Quite interesting read, I thank....

Agreed.

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:29:48 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 6:29:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-05-29 2:09 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > >> It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > >> [...]
> > >> Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
> > >> Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
> > >> Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
> > >> For O! it is not always May!
> > >> [...]
> > >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
> > >
> > > Okay, this is interesting[...] even [with] such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to [the] general public of modern times?
> >
> > I edited your question, because some people on the group seemed to have
> > difficulty understanding it.
> Your edit does nothing to clarify its meaning.
>
> It is painfully obvious that the Donkey wishes to pretend that anyone who is not a current household name is "obscure."
>
> Anyone who's played Author Cards as a child (or as an adult with children) is familiar with Longfellow's name. Those with any interest in literature will seek out his works.
> > I suspect the answer is very little. I know a few Longfellow poems, but
> > I could state you only a few lines from memory. "Footprints on the sands
> > of time" from "Psalm of Life", and almost an entire stanza of Paul Revere:
> >
> > Listen, my children, and you shall hear
> > Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
> > It was [something, something] in '75;
> > Hardly a man is still alive
> > Who remembers that famous day and year."
> >
> > Even poetry students don't encounter his work: he's in none of the
> > anthologies I own, for example. I suspect that's a style thing; he wrote
> > (1) popular poems with easily-understood messages, in (2) formal verse,
> > both of which went out of style over 100 years ago. Why today's
> > academics are still using stylistic judgements from 100 years ago,
> > rather than making their own, is more of a mystery.
> And excellent point (and attempted deflection of the Donkey's dumbassery).
>
> I believe

Hush, fool.....

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:00:15 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> Longfellow was both prominent and famous in his time, and still is among poetry lovers (and literate people in general)

Again, I've no argument with the fact that Longfellow is a famous poet.

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 2:09:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > [...]
> > Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
> > Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
> > Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
> > For O! it is not always May!
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
> Okay, this is interesting, even such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to be general public of modern times?

Back in my youth, yes...

Neil Diamond - Longfellow Serenade (1974)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDW4RpAxhM

Michael Pendragon wrote:

>

> Most modern *readers* have some familiarity with poetry

Some, yes, I'll grant you that.

Edgar Allan Poe and Shakespeare are probably both still known by most people

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 8:18:45 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Pretty much all poets are obscure to the general public in these modern times, Pendragon.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.

> There's just no

We don't have anything to say to each other, correct.

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 6:29:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-05-29 2:09 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>
> >> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> >> It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >> [...]
> >> Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
> >> Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
> >> Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
> >> For O! it is not always May!
> >> [...]
> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> > Okay, this is interesting[...] even [with] such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to [the] general public of modern times?
>
> I edited your question, because some people on the group seemed to have
> difficulty understanding it.
>
> I suspect the answer is very little. I know a few Longfellow poems, but
> I could state you only a few lines from memory. "Footprints on the sands
> of time" from "Psalm of Life", and almost an entire stanza of Paul Revere:
>
> Listen, my children, and you shall hear
> Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
> It was [something, something] in '75;
> Hardly a man is still alive
> Who remembers that famous day and year."
>
> Even poetry students don't encounter his work: he's in none of the
> anthologies I own, for example. I suspect that's a style thing; he wrote
> (1) popular poems with easily-understood messages, in (2) formal verse,
> both of which went out of style over 100 years ago. Why today's
> academics are still using stylistic judgements from 100 years ago,
> rather than making their own, is more of a mystery.

Hi there well said......

General Zod wrote:

> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 2:09:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >
>> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> > [...]
>> > Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
>> > Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
>> > Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
>> > For O! it is not always May!
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
>> Okay, this is interesting, even such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to be general public of modern times?

> Back in my youth, yes...

> Neil Diamond - Longfellow Serenade (1974)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDW4RpAxhM

Good song, actually.

Zod wrote:

> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 6:29:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-05-29 2:09 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> >> It Is Not Always May, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> >> [...]
>> >> Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
>> >> Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
>> >> Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
>> >> For O! it is not always May!
>> >> [...]
>> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-not-always-may-henry-wadsworth.html
>> >
>> > Okay, this is interesting[...] even [with] such a famous poet as Longfellow, how well known is his poetry to [the] general public of modern times?
>>
>> I edited your question, because some people on the group seemed to have
>> difficulty understanding it.
>>
>> I suspect the answer is very little. I know a few Longfellow poems, but
>> I could state you only a few lines from memory. "Footprints on the sands
>> of time" from "Psalm of Life", and almost an entire stanza of Paul Revere:
>>
>> Listen, my children, and you shall hear
>> Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
>> It was [something, something] in '75;
>> Hardly a man is still alive
>> Who remembers that famous day and year."
>>
>> Even poetry students don't encounter his work: he's in none of the
>> anthologies I own, for example. I suspect that's a style thing; he wrote
>> (1) popular poems with easily-understood messages, in (2) formal verse,
>> both of which went out of style over 100 years ago. Why today's
>> academics are still using stylistic judgements from 100 years ago,
>> rather than making their own, is more of a mystery.

> Hi there well said......

Good evening my friend, hope you and Mike are having a great one.

🙂

Again, at least you admit now that most modern readers don't know much, if anything, about poetry, and that rap, hip-hop and spoken word/slam poetry are bringing popularity back to poetry, as you wrote in the other thread:

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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Other forms of poetry have b
een emerging, also.

> Their status as poetry is questionable.

> However, it remains significant that the first popular forms of poetry in the last 50+ years have been those that embrace the rhymed-metered form: Rap, spoken word, slam.

---------------------------------

"

Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> Most modern *readers* have some familiarity with poetry.
> Most modern people on the street
> do not.

Probably most modern people that do think of poetry think of spoken word/slam, hip-hop or rap poetry.

Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Sorry, Pendragon, but many of the giants you listed are fading into obscurity.

> Ask the average person an find out for yourself.

> HTH and HAND.

Quite sad but yes true....

Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> Most poets are not unknown in the modern age; they're unknown by the general public in the modern age

Something we can perhaps all agree on....

Victor H. wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> Most poets are not unknown in the modern age; they're unknown by the general public in the modern age

> Something we can perhaps all agree on....

I'd say so.

Will Dockery wrote:

> Pretty much all poets are obscure to the general public in these modern times

Hip Hop and Rap poets being the most notable in these times....