On 11/21/2022 12:29 PM, Nyssa wrote:
> suzeeq wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/2022 9:35 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:19:29 -0500, Nyssa
>>> <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> suzeeq wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/2022 10:38 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 06:17:30 -0500, Rhino
>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (The extreme western corner of Lake Ontario is Deas
>>>>>>>> Slough which has Hamilton - the McMaster campus in
>>>>>>>> fact - to the south and the Royal Botanical Gardens
>>>>>>>> on the south side of Burlington which I assume is
>>>>>>>> still there - we did our wedding pictures there)
>>>>>>>> There's a bridge between Burlington and east
>>>>>>>> Hamilton part of highway 427 which is kind of a
>>>>>>>> Canadian Interstate highway type road.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't pretend to know all geography but that's one
>>>>>>>> area I do know :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you look at Google Maps, the western tip of Lake
>>>>>>> Ontario is further west than the eastern tip of Lake
>>>>>>> Erie. Hamilton and Burlington are at the western tip
>>>>>>> of Lake Ontario. You need to drive about 90 minutes
>>>>>>> east along the south shore of Lake Ontario to reach
>>>>>>> the Niagara River which is very close to running
>>>>>>> exactly due south of Niagara-on-the-Lake ON, which is
>>>>>>> at the northernmost end of the Niagara River. Buffalo
>>>>>>> is at the southern end of the Niagara River where it
>>>>>>> flows into the eastern tip of Lake Erie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm quite prepared to believe traffic is much worse
>>>>>> than 35 years ago when I last drove it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been ti Niagara Falls several times, never been to
>>>>>> Buffalo though obviously I know where it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No Google maps in those days - bbses were still the
>>>>>> norm and the Internet hadn't yet entirely moved
>>>>>> outside academia.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still refer to road atlases for looking at highways,
>>>>> city locations and maps. Google maps is good for street
>>>>> to street references, but lousy at telling you where
>>>>> you are in the country, any country compared to other
>>>>> cities.
>>>>>>
>>>> Ditto! I want to see where places are in relation to
>>>> each other and also places of interest, terrain, rivers,
>>>> and the like. I simply can't get the right feel for it
>>>> unless I use a paper map or atlas.
>>>>
>>>> I still ask people I know who are traveling out of state
>>>> to pick up a state map for me (usually freebies from
>>>> state tourist welcome centers) or even those one-page
>>>> city maps
>>> >from car rental places.
>>>>
>>>> They come in handy when I'm reading a book too that is
>>>> set in an area I don't know well so I can get familiar
>>>> with towns and roads that might be mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> Nyssa, who thinks map reading is becoming a lost art
>>>> among the younger generations just like cursive writing
>>>> and reading an analog clock
>>>
>>> Those I keep in my car since I'm a strident non-cellular
>>> junkie. I figure if I have a passenger that's their job
>>> while barrelling down
>>> the road. I wouldn't dream of trying to use a map app on
>>> a phone while in motion.
>>
>> You can have the phone read it to you, it uses GPS to know
>> where you are on the route you planned out, and will let
>> you know that a turn or offramp is coming up.
>>>
>>> Now I routinely plot out routes before I leave the house
>>> on the PC before I leave the house ....
>>>
>>
> Except that HG doesn't have a cell phone, much less one
> that will talk him through a route (aka a smartphone).

Right, but if he did have one...
>
> I don't have a cell phone either, but check the paper
> map before I head out if I'm going to someplace out of
> my usual flight path. If I need to, I'll pull over into
> a parking lot or the side of the road to double check
> if I have any doubt about which way to turn or a route
> number.
>
Yep, that's how I do it. Because a map is harder to read while drivng.

> OTOH last month I went to the Big City and was trying
> to find a couple of stores on familiar roads, but the
> traffic was just heavy enough that I couldn't risk
> rubber-necking to check signage or numbers of stores
> along the way. Next try, I'll see if I can track down
> some landmarks *near* the places I was looking for
> and/or reverse my route so I'll be on the proper
> side of the street for the numbers to be a right turn
> and can stick to the slower lane.
>
> Nyssa, who wonders what all these people who rely on
> smartphones, GPS, etc. think we did before they were
> invented and generally available
>
Used paper maps.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:41:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>That's all we need, another back seat driver.
>
>>> Now I routinely plot out routes before I leave the house on the PC
>>> before I leave the house ....

I often do that particularly if it's an unfamiliar part of town to see
if I've got it right and to print it off if I don't.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:29:58 -0500, Nyssa <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net>
wrote:

>Nyssa, who wonders what all these people who rely on
>smartphones, GPS, etc. think we did before they were
>invented and generally available

You mean like having a dozen or so maps in one's glove box?

At one time that was the major benefit of joining the auto club - now
it's getting your car jump started in winter.