On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> fight.
> >> >
> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >
> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >
> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >
> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >
> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >
> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >>
> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >
> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> let others see it or know about it.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
<cocodesockmonkey@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >> >> >> child.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >> >> fight.
>> >> >
>> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >> >
>> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >> >
>> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >> >
>> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >> >
>> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >>
>> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >
>> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> let others see it or know about it.
>
>That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A.. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting.. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> >> fight.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >> >
> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >
> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> LIAR!
>
> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >> >> >> >> child.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >> >> >> fight.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> >> let others see it or know about it.
>> >
>> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>> LIAR!
>>
>> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>
>Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>
>I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>
>My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>
>I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:54:59 -0800, Mack A. Damia
<drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
><michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>>> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>>> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>>> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>>> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>>> >> >> >> >> child.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>>> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>>> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>>> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>>> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>>> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>>> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>>> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>>> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>>> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>>> >> >> >> fight.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>>> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>>> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>>> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>>> >> >
>>> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>>> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>>> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>>> >> let others see it or know about it.
>>> >
>>> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>>> LIAR!
>>>
>>> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>>
>>Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>>
>>I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>>
>>My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>>
>>I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>
>Don't bore me.
>
>A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>You supplied them.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W..Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour.. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> >> >> fight.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >> >
> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> >> LIAR!
> >>
> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >
> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >
> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with).. It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >
> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >
> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> Don't bore me.
>
> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> You supplied them.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >> >> >> >> >> child.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >> >> >> >> fight.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
>> >> >
>> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>> >> LIAR!
>> >>
>> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>> >
>> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>> >
>> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>> >
>> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>> >
>> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>> Don't bore me.
>>
>> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>> You supplied them.
>
>isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
>
>Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
>
>Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
>
>PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:58:45 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:54:59 -0800, Mack A. Damia
> <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> ><michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >>> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >>> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >>> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >>> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >>> >> >> >> >> child.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >>> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them.. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >>> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >>> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >>> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >>> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >>> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >>> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >>> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms.. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >>> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >>> >> >> >> fight.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >>> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >>> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >>> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >>> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >>> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >>> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >>> >
> >>> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> >>> LIAR!
> >>>
> >>> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >>
> >>Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >>
> >>I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >>
> >>My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >>
> >>I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> >
> >Don't bore me.
> >
> >A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> >You supplied them.
> P.S. We only need to look at your two Facebook pages to know what
> your game is.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> >> >> LIAR!
> >> >>
> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >> >
> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >> >
> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >> >
> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >> >
> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> >> Don't bore me.
> >>
> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> >> You supplied them.
> >
> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
> >
> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot..
> >
> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
> >
> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:36:06 -0800, Mack A. Damia
<drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
><michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>>> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>>> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>>> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>>> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>>> >> >> >> >> >> child.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>>> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>>> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>>> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>>> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>>> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>>> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>>> >> >> >> >> fight.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>>> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>>> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>>> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>>> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>>> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>>> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>>> >> LIAR!
>>> >>
>>> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>>> >
>>> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>>> >
>>> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>>> >
>>> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>>> >
>>> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>>> Don't bore me.
>>>
>>> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>>> You supplied them.
>>
>>isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
>>
>>Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
>>
>>Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
>>
>>PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
>
>Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
>
>Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
>California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
>home. It was red, too.
>
>A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
>him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
>"really" insisted!
>
>I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
>of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
>called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
>cop. I didn't.
>
>I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
>and repairs either.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:48:27 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:36:06 -0800, Mack A. Damia
> <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> ><michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >>> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >>> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A.. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit"..
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.."
> >>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >>> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >>> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >>> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >>> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >>> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >>> >> >> >> >> fight.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for.." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >>> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >>> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >>> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >>> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >>> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >>> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> >>> >> LIAR!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >>> >
> >>> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >>> >
> >>> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >>> >
> >>> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >>> >
> >>> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> >>> Don't bore me.
> >>>
> >>> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments..
> >>> You supplied them.
> >>
> >>isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
> >>
> >>Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
> >>
> >>Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
> >>
> >>PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
> >
> >Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
> >
> >Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
> >California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
> >home. It was red, too.
> >
> >A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
> >him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
> >"really" insisted!
> >
> >I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
> >of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
> >called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
> >cop. I didn't.
> >
> >I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
> >and repairs either.
> Call Rich's Automotive
>
> 39745 Avenida De Robles Verdes
> Boulevard, CA 91905
> (619) 766-4264
>
> As Rich if he sold a Porsche to a guy in Mexico about twenty years
> ago. I don't remember the year of the car or how much I paid for it.
> It needed too much work.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:40:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>> >> >> LIAR!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>> >> >
>> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>> >> >
>> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>> >> >
>> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>> >> Don't bore me.
>> >>
>> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>> >> You supplied them.
>> >
>> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
>> >
>> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
>> >
>> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
>> >
>> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
>> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
>
>No, Jake. You told us that you gave away your Porsche to a policeman. As NancyGene noted, you haven't any filter.
>
>> Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
>> California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
>> home. It was red, too.
>>
>> A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
>> him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
>> "really" insisted!
>>
>> I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
>> of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
>> called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
>> cop. I didn't.
>>
>> I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
>> and repairs either.
>
>Your revised story is a lot different from how you'd initially presented it.

Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.

That's pretty funny coming from you, Pendragon, with the delusional fantasies you suffer from.

🙂

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:53:06 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:48:27 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:36:06 -0800, Mack A. Damia
>> <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> ><michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >>> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >>> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >>> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >>> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> child.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >>> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >>> >> >> >> >> fight.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >>> >> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >>> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >>> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >>> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> >>> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> >>> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> >>> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>> >>> >> LIAR!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>> >>> Don't bore me.
>> >>>
>> >>> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>> >>> You supplied them.
>> >>
>> >>isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
>> >>
>> >>Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
>> >>
>> >>Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
>> >>
>> >>PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
>> >
>> >Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
>> >
>> >Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
>> >California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
>> >home. It was red, too.
>> >
>> >A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
>> >him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
>> >"really" insisted!
>> >
>> >I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
>> >of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
>> >called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
>> >cop. I didn't.
>> >
>> >I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
>> >and repairs either.
>> Call Rich's Automotive
>>
>> 39745 Avenida De Robles Verdes
>> Boulevard, CA 91905
>> (619) 766-4264
>>
>> As Rich if he sold a Porsche to a guy in Mexico about twenty years
>> ago. I don't remember the year of the car or how much I paid for it.
>> It needed too much work.
>
>Why on earth should I want to do that?

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:58:40 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:40:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A.. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> >> >> >> LIAR!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses.. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> >> >> Don't bore me.
> >> >>
> >> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> >> >> You supplied them.
> >> >
> >> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
> >> >
> >> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
> >> >
> >> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
> >> >
> >> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
> >> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
> >
> >No, Jake. You told us that you gave away your Porsche to a policeman. As NancyGene noted, you haven't any filter.
> >
> >> Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
> >> California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
> >> home. It was red, too.
> >>
> >> A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
> >> him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
> >> "really" insisted!
> >>
> >> I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
> >> of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
> >> called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
> >> cop. I didn't.
> >>
> >> I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
> >> and repairs either.
> >
> >Your revised story is a lot different from how you'd initially presented it.
> Google Groups, October 15, 2022, 30:30:39
>
> "Years ago, I gave a Mexican cop a Porsche Turbo. I kid you not. It
> is a long story. The police are okay in these parts."
> >The late, unlamented Pickles used to continually revise his stories as well.
> See how dishonest you are, Oddfather?

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:04:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:58:40 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:40:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> >> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> >> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> >> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>> >> >> >> LIAR!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>> >> >> Don't bore me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>> >> >> You supplied them.
>> >> >
>> >> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
>> >> >
>> >> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
>> >> >
>> >> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
>> >> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
>> >
>> >No, Jake. You told us that you gave away your Porsche to a policeman. As NancyGene noted, you haven't any filter.
>> >
>> >> Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
>> >> California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
>> >> home. It was red, too.
>> >>
>> >> A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
>> >> him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
>> >> "really" insisted!
>> >>
>> >> I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
>> >> of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
>> >> called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
>> >> cop. I didn't.
>> >>
>> >> I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
>> >> and repairs either.
>> >
>> >Your revised story is a lot different from how you'd initially presented it.
>> Google Groups, October 15, 2022, 30:30:39
>>
>> "Years ago, I gave a Mexican cop a Porsche Turbo. I kid you not. It
>> is a long story. The police are okay in these parts."
>> >The late, unlamented Pickles used to continually revise his stories as well.
>> See how dishonest you are, Oddfather?
>
>You've only proven my point.
>
>Your original story makes it appear as if you gave a valuable Porsche Turbo to a Mexican policeman out of generosity.
>
>Your revised story shows that the Mexican policeman *forced* you to sell it to him for a pittance. It also reveals that the car was barely running, and that you only "gave" it to him after he demanded his money back.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:14:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:04:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:58:40 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:40:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did.. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >> >> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >> >> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >> >> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> >> >> >> >> LIAR!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque.." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> >> >> >> Don't bore me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> >> >> >> You supplied them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
> >> >> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
> >> >
> >> >No, Jake. You told us that you gave away your Porsche to a policeman. As NancyGene noted, you haven't any filter.
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
> >> >> California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
> >> >> home. It was red, too.
> >> >>
> >> >> A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
> >> >> him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
> >> >> "really" insisted!
> >> >>
> >> >> I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
> >> >> of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
> >> >> called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
> >> >> cop. I didn't.
> >> >>
> >> >> I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
> >> >> and repairs either.
> >> >
> >> >Your revised story is a lot different from how you'd initially presented it.
> >> Google Groups, October 15, 2022, 30:30:39
> >>
> >> "Years ago, I gave a Mexican cop a Porsche Turbo. I kid you not. It
> >> is a long story. The police are okay in these parts."
> >> >The late, unlamented Pickles used to continually revise his stories as well.
> >> See how dishonest you are, Oddfather?
> >
> >You've only proven my point.
> >
> >Your original story makes it appear as if you gave a valuable Porsche Turbo to a Mexican policeman out of generosity.
> >
> >Your revised story shows that the Mexican policeman *forced* you to sell it to him for a pittance. It also reveals that the car was barely running, and that you only "gave" it to him after he demanded his money back.
> No, it proves MY point that you are dishonest and not to be trusted. I
> said nothing about the value of the car.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:14:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:04:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:58:40 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:40:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
>> >> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did.. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
>> >> >> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
>> >> >> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
>> >> >> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
>> >> >> >> >> LIAR!
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque.." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
>> >> >> >> Don't bore me.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
>> >> >> >> You supplied them.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
>> >> >> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
>> >> >
>> >> >No, Jake. You told us that you gave away your Porsche to a policeman. As NancyGene noted, you haven't any filter.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
>> >> >> California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
>> >> >> home. It was red, too.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
>> >> >> him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
>> >> >> "really" insisted!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
>> >> >> of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
>> >> >> called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
>> >> >> cop. I didn't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
>> >> >> and repairs either.
>> >> >
>> >> >Your revised story is a lot different from how you'd initially presented it.
>> >> Google Groups, October 15, 2022, 30:30:39
>> >>
>> >> "Years ago, I gave a Mexican cop a Porsche Turbo. I kid you not. It
>> >> is a long story. The police are okay in these parts."
>> >> >The late, unlamented Pickles used to continually revise his stories as well.
>> >> See how dishonest you are, Oddfather?
>> >
>> >You've only proven my point.
>> >
>> >Your original story makes it appear as if you gave a valuable Porsche Turbo to a Mexican policeman out of generosity.
>> >
>> >Your revised story shows that the Mexican policeman *forced* you to sell it to him for a pittance. It also reveals that the car was barely running, and that you only "gave" it to him after he demanded his money back.
>> No, it proves MY point that you are dishonest and not to be trusted. I
>> said nothing about the value of the car.

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Got it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> >> > dining room table."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
>> >> >
>> >> >And so it goes...
>> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
>> >> group.
>> >>
>> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
>> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
>>
>> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?

> Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it

For your lies?

Not hardly.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:27:56 PM UTC-5, fake Dockery forged:
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> > >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> > >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> > >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> > >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way..
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> > >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> > >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> > >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> > >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> > >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> > >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> > >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> > >> >> >> >> >> fight.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> > >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> > >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> > >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> > >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> > >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> > >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect.
> > >> >> LIAR!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> > >> >
> > >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> > >> >
> > >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> > >> >
> > >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> > >> >
> > >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> > >> Don't bore me.
> > >>
> > >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> > >> You supplied them.
> > >
> > >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
> > >
> > >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
> > >
> > >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
> > >
> > >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
> > Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
> >
> > Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
> > California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
> > home. It was red, too.
> >
> > A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
> > him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
> > "really" insisted!
> >
> > I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
> > of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
> > called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
> > cop. I didn't.
> >
> > I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
> > and repairs either.
> I guess you learned a lesson about buying from a sketchy business. They take advantage of old folks such as you. So do Mexican cops it seems.
>
> On 05/31/2012 BBB confirmed that Rich's Automotive had not obtained a necessary license from Bureau of Automotive Repair- San Diego. BBB encourages you to contact the following agency or agencies to confirm this information: - http://www.autorepair.ca.gov - 855-837-7985

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:30:13 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:14:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:04:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:58:40 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:40:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:27:41 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:55:02 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:49:21 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 9:16:16 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:26:45 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:24:10 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:03:31 -0800 (PST), Coco DeSockmonkey
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <cocodeso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:45:34 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> child.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here..... ha ha."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >So Mr. Damia,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did.. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fight.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You're wrong, Jake.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The soul of the group is poetry. The trolls have just gotten the upper hand.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Driving others away from a Usenet group doesn't make you a "big man," Jake. You're still the frail little man with peeking out from a Covid-19 mask/bandana with frightened (and somewhat lopsided) eyes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Being a troll is hardly an accomplishment. Trolls are usually impotent little men who've failed to measure up to their idealized self-image in life, and who compensate by swaggering and bullying their way through a newsgroup where no one can do anything to stop them. Such power!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It takes a bigger man to stand up against the trolls and to contribute to the betterment of the group in the face of an untouchable opposition.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Sometimes lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for." -- Jefferson Smith.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Big words from such a little man, Spike. I am retired. I made my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mark decades ago. I relax now in my home on the beach next to the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pacific and take occasionaly rides in my Jaguar.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://i.ibb.co/QrdF5QL/View.jpg
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It's the littlest men who are most prone to boast about their "success."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You must be culturally blind, Globfather It is the way of the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> culture, fella. Expensive cars, clothes, homes, you name it - and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> let others see it or know about it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >That isn't my culture, Jake. Nor is it anything I respect..
> >> >> >> >> >> LIAR!
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120444
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Do you understand what the isfdb is?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I didn't submit any of that information to them, and I certainly don't own or have access to posting information on that site. "isfdb" is the speculative fiction equivalent of IMDb (which I hope you are more familiar with). It compiles and lists authors who are sometimes classified as "speculative fiction" writers.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >My name appears on sites like isfdb because I have had a large number of shorts stories and poems published in the small and semi-pro presses. Some such sources ask me to supply a brief biographical passage; others, like isfdb, do not.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I find it rather funny that isfdb lists me as being "Kafkaesque.." While I appreciate the compliment, the only Kafkaesque story I have ever written, "The Long, Grey Line," is a black comedy respectfully poking fun at Kafka, whose writings I admire.
> >> >> >> >> Don't bore me.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> A stranger didn't spend all that time looking up your accomplishments.
> >> >> >> >> You supplied them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >isfdb looks up information on speculative fiction writers. They state their sources as "The Hypertexts" and "Wikibin." "The Hypertexts" article was written by Michael R. Burch, the poet who owns said website. The "Wikibin" article states that "Additional biographical information taken from the printed version of The Directory of American Poets & Writers , and from Author bio pages in his books (not printed online)."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Of course the information from my books, the P&W directory, and various "contributor" bios, were written by me -- so the subject is ultimately moot.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Which brings us to the question of why you are equating information gathered from Contributor bios to the ostentatious displaying of an expensive foreign sports car. Surely you can't be suggesting that some small degree of recognition in one's field is akin to boasting of one's wealth?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >PS -- No one believes that you gave your Porsche to a policeman.. Like your pickled predecessor, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your fantasy life and reality.
> >> >> >> Obsessed with me? Digging for information about me?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No, Jake. You told us that you gave away your Porsche to a policeman. As NancyGene noted, you haven't any filter.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Yes, he was a Mexican cop. I bought a cheap Porsche turbo in Southern
> >> >> >> California that needed a lot of work , and I had it parked outside my
> >> >> >> home. It was red, too.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A Mexican cop knocked at my door and said he wanted to buy it. I told
> >> >> >> him he couldn't afford the parts and repairs, but he insisted. He
> >> >> >> "really" insisted!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think he gave me $500.00 down payment and drove off in it. A couple
> >> >> >> of days later, he came back and said he wanted his money back. I
> >> >> >> called my attorney, but he asked me if I wanted trouble with a Mexican
> >> >> >> cop. I didn't.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I gave him his money back and the car. I couldn't afford the parts
> >> >> >> and repairs either.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Your revised story is a lot different from how you'd initially presented it.
> >> >> Google Groups, October 15, 2022, 30:30:39
> >> >>
> >> >> "Years ago, I gave a Mexican cop a Porsche Turbo. I kid you not. It
> >> >> is a long story. The police are okay in these parts."
> >> >> >The late, unlamented Pickles used to continually revise his stories as well.
> >> >> See how dishonest you are, Oddfather?
> >> >
> >> >You've only proven my point.
> >> >
> >> >Your original story makes it appear as if you gave a valuable Porsche Turbo to a Mexican policeman out of generosity.
> >> >
> >> >Your revised story shows that the Mexican policeman *forced* you to sell it to him for a pittance. It also reveals that the car was barely running, and that you only "gave" it to him after he demanded his money back.
> >> No, it proves MY point that you are dishonest and not to be trusted. I
> >> said nothing about the value of the car.
>
> > Since one doesn't boast of having given away a junker, it was implied that the car had some value.
>
> >> How many sock puppets do you have here, Oddfather? Is XY/XX one, too?
>
> > I have two accounts. Cocodesockmonkey is my backup for when my first account has reached the posting limit.
>
> > That's all.
> You have the one in George Dance's name that you were using to impersonate him with until you were caught, Pendragon.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:20:13 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >>
> >> >>Got it.
> >>
> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> > dining room table."
> >>
> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>
> > Just as I
> Just as you spewed your delusional fantasy about being a better poet than T.S. Eliot, Michael Pendragon?

You have no idea of the word 'fantasy.' and that is proven through literally hundreds of your postings.

>
> Or maybe it was your delusional fantasy that you have magical powers?
>
> HTH and HAND.
>
>
I notice you fail to back up or provide evidence of any of your wordings.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 11:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:59:27 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:53:20 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:45:21 -0800 (PST), Ash Wurthing
> >> <ashwu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> >> Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:28:28 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:13:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs..com
> >> >> >> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Just as I nailed it when I called you a "potato" for the exact same reason.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >And so it goes...
> >> >> >> Yes it does, becaaue your words mean nothing. And the proof is in this
> >> >> >> group.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You are merely an empty barrell who makes the most noise.
> >> >> > And # Will Dockery wants xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash Wurthing?
> >> >
> >> >Trap is set... you and Dance always fall for it and you're awfully quiet when I hit you like a wrecking ball with the truth you attempt to hide from. Your fear is obvious in your censoring...
> >> For god's sake, man, get on with your life and stop behaving like a
> >> child.
> >
> >I am. I'm not here like Will and Zod, spending so much of their time fighting most every one here. Those two post more than twice as much as everyone else combined. And these posts of theirs that you see here ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") are mostly what they post. They don't discuss poetry any deeper than a nod and they always bump the same old poems of theirs in desperate attempts to catch anyone's attention.
> >
> >"Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha."
> >So Mr. Damia, why aren't you chiding Zod? Is Will and Zod allowed to do as you say not to? Is he implying that I'm mentally deficient? Or that it's because I'm fully disabled? He does like to use the pinhead freak show/birth defect insult, so I'm sure he's mocking me as something subhuman...
> >
> >I've only been away a day, and sWilly and Sod are already missing me? I, for one, do realize the vicious cycle that I help to keep in motion while my foes remain ignorant and do as the puppet strings jerk them. Did anyone think I was trying to get them to change their ways? NAY! I do the Devil's work and can only help them down their precieved well intention slippery slope-- not help them out of the pitfall of their chosen way.
> >
> >So Mr. Damia,
> >They will blow off your suggestions to focus less on fighting, they did it to someone else that tried to defend them *(see below), because they're so embroiled it that they now cannot get themselves out of it. They won't take responsibility for it, but will try to excuse what they do by placing all the blame upon those that they label as their foes. All it takes, as I proved when I came here with possible new members, is to question, or criticize their selfish ways here and I'm just belittled as another "Usenet troll.." Funny that, because I do exactly what they do...
> >
> >I tried to bring younger people here. It just wasn't the fighting that kept them away. They didn't want to have to constantly play the bumping game (which Dance acknowledged when taunting us) against Will and Zod's inconsiderate obsession with trying to always be the center of attention-- and the only ones seen in the first page of threads on Google's AAPC Group page. They can make a new post by someone disappear within a half hour. My people prefer moderated places and social media where they don't have to worry about "selfish" people pushing them aside so to hog up all the attention...
> >
> >*One of the few neutrals of this place had this to say about Will and Zod being just as much of a problem:
> >(Will being part of the problem)
> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/WP62bhs4b9E/m/QBWONiRfAgAJ
> >(Will annoying them with what he was doing)
> >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/oC9y6haxMQM/m/L25h6RJxAQAJ
> >(Will never listened to this so called "friend" of his when they told him I didn't have to show my work. I
> >never brought up the subject since then-- it was always Will and Zod who did, despite what their "friend" said. I have high regard for that person- they're perhaps too idealistic but still a decent person- they supported me when Will and Sod bullied and mocked me about my work. Will and Zod loved to use this person's words for their benefit except when it damned them as well. And Will blew her off for questioning him, using her for her words that only benefited him. When this person challenged me, I took responsibility and didn't try to blame someone else for what I did. I even publicly apologized to them once for catching them in one of my criticisms. Hell, I even cut down on my posts after they confronted me about the fighting. I don't post nearly as much now as I used to when I first got into it with Will.
> >
> >Now that I finished posting updates for new projects-- I now sleep-- been up all night partyin' online-- all the new opportunities-- that don't involve this hell hole-- perhaps you should be askin' sWilly about gettin' on with Life and not acting like a child. Zod too! ("Mack, meet Ash, he's out "special" child here.... ha ha.") They spend much more time and post spamming effort here so to fight and bury.
> Fighting for the soul of the group, but the soul of the group is the
> fight.

The "soul" is poetry.
Your two "buddies", along with a couple of their testicular torsion friends, have created 'fight.'

Family Guy wrote:

> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:20:13 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, W.Dockery wrote:
>> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:43:52 +0000, W-Dockery @news.novabbs.com
>> >> > (W-Dockery ) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Got it.
>> >>
>> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
>> >> > dining room table."
>> >>
>> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
>> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
>>
>> > Just as I
>> Just as you spewed your delusional fantasy about being a better poet than T.S. Eliot, Michael Pendragon?

> You have no idea of the word 'fantasy.'

Of course I do, but I don't expect you to admit it.

>> Or maybe it was your delusional fantasy that you have magical powers?
>>
>> HTH and HAND.
>>
>>
> I notice you fail to back up or provide evidence of any of your wordings.

Zod is alive and well two years after the bogus death curse fantasy was cast. That's proof enough.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 2:10:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Family Guy wrote:
> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:20:13 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> NancyGene has been a regular member

You mean Nancy G. has been a malicious stalker troll...?

> of AAPC for seven (?) years now, and has never displayed the slightest trace of any personality disorder.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Right, because NancyGene being an obsessive malicious stalker troll is normal to a delusional bigot like you.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Got it.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Will, as Barney Frank said years ago, "It is no use arguing with a
> >> >> > dining room table."
> >> >>
> >> >> > "Dining room table" is a code for "fuckwit".
> >> >> Barney Frank nailed it.
> >>
> >> > Just as I
> >> Just as you spewed your delusional fantasy about being a better poet than T.S. Eliot, Michael Pendragon?
>
> > You have no idea of the word 'fantasy.'
> Of course I do, but I don't expect you to admit it.
> >> Or maybe it was your delusional fantasy that you have magical powers?
> >>
> >> HTH and HAND.
> >>
> >>
> > I notice you fail to back up or provide evidence of any of your wordings.
> Zod is alive and well two years after the bogus death curse fantasy was cast. That's proof enough.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Yep, and in better health than ever...!

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