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> FPP
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/MGFHHLMW/psychomeds-and-kids.gif
> >
> All the more reason to institute red flag laws that prevent people
> with mental issues from purchasing a gun.

Yes, because losing your constitutional and human rights because
you got into an argument with your wife and she's pissed at you,
is a great idea...

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> moviePig
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000 incidents
> > of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to 2,000,000). So no,
> > FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by them.
>
> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?

I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
me a sock puppet.

But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
other to death by now.

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edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
> moviePig
>> Ed Stasiak

>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
>>> them.
>>
>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>
>I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
>to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
>word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
>me a sock puppet.

And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.

>But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
>the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
>other to death by now.

None of the hoplophobes are willing to mention this, but guns weren't
a problem until the past couple decades or so. Kids used to be able to
buy guns and it wasn't a problem.

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Let's go Brandon!

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 by: Ubiquitous - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 01:28 UTC

In article <ucjbgr$1ti00$1@dont-email.me>, fredp1571@gmail.com wrote:
> On 8/28/23 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

>>> That Jacksonville sheriff must be getting kickbacks from the NRA, most
>>> sheriffs and chiefs of police across the country don't want ordinary
>>> citizens walking around the streets with AR-15's and denounce the "it's
>>> just an innocent tool" line.
>>
>> Sheriffs and police chiefs are politicians and they toe the party line.
>>
>> However, the rank and file cops-- the ones actually out on streets, not
>> sitting behind a cushy desk in an air conditioned office every day-- are
>> overwhelmingly in favor of gun rights and oppose gun control.
>
> I'm a gun owner.

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Yeah, yeah, you also claimed to have been trained by a Secret Service trainer
who is famous in gun circles who just happens to be dead, too.
[rolls eyes]

> Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns when he rolled back
> Obama regulation In 2017, Trump quietly rolled back an Obama-era regulation
> that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns.

Zombie lie noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

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 by: Ubiquitous - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 01:29 UTC

edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
> FPP

>> Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns when he rolled back
>> Obama regulation In 2017, Trump quietly rolled back an Obama-era
>> regulation that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns.
>
>This was explained to you before (and you ignored it, like you will again);
>the anti-gun fundies want to strip Americans of their right to self defense
>if they had EVER talked to a psychiatrist/therapist for any reason (such as
>a someone going thru a divorce) or been prescribed common medications
>such as sleeping pills and this would be automatic and without a trial.
>
>It was pointed out at the time that a new mom suffering from postpartum
>depression, would lose her right to keep and bear arms if she talked to
>a doctor about it and any military veteran who had served in a combat
>zone, would lose their 2nd Amendment right as the military requires all
>returning servicemen to attend group discussion meetings.
>
>In short, a predictable raft of lies that you're once again promoting.

The term is "zombie lie".

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Let's go Brandon!

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 by: Ubiquitous - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 01:32 UTC

In article <ucm43l$2f239$3@dont-email.me>, fredp1571@gmail.com wrote:
> On 8/29/23 6:18 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> FPP

>>> UVALDE, Texas � Nearly 400 law enforcement officials rushed to mass
>>> shooting that left 21 people dead at a Uvalde elementary school but
>>> "systemic failures" created a chaotic scene that lasted more than an
>>> hour before the gunman was finally confronted and killed, according
>>> to a report from investigators released Sunday.
>>
>> You can't compel an employee to risk death.
>>
>> All the more reason every American should own a basic firearm "toolkit".
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/15TT3cMp/basic-American-toolkit.jpg
>
>No shit. Now explain why 400 well armed and well protected cops were
>too cowardly to tackle a single person with an AR-15?
>
>But you guys think a "good guy with a gun" is still a thing?

Well, there you go feigning ignorance whenever you loose a debate again!

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In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
<weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
> > moviePig
> >> Ed Stasiak
>
> >>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
> >>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
> >>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
> >>> them.
> >>
> >> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
> >
> >I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
> >to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
> >word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
> >me a sock puppet.
>
> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.

I've never said a thing on this subject.

BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
move.

> >But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
> >the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
> >other to death by now.
>
> None of the hoplophobes

Did this come up at your monthly meeting?

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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:27 UTC

On 8/30/23 5:07 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> FPP
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> In short, a predictable raft of lies that you're once again promoting.
>>
>> Bullshit. It's why those people are called "gun nuts". So instead of
>> tightening the laws up, they just repealed them.
>
> Excuse me xer, but I identify as a firearm hobbyist.
>
>> Brilliant! By your metric, if some people are killed by airbags in a
>> few incidents, we should repeal the law on airbags. And if some people
>> are killed by taking lifesaving drugs, those drugs should be banned.
>
> No, that's YOUR metric; if a few are killed by criminals using a gun, then
> ALL Americans should be stopped of their natural human right to defend
> themselves.
>
>> Sure. Makes perfect sense. Next up, we'll ban all swimming if someone
>> drowns at a particular beach. What a scatterbrain. Normal people would
>> FIX the law, not abolish it.
>
> The "fix" already exists; crazy people must be adjudicated in court as
> actually being crazy before they are stripped of their rights, this isn't
> something to be decided by a random mouse-pushing bureaucrat.
>

Nobody is taking your fucking guns away, Ed. I remember you guys
saying Obama was coming for them too.

Nobody is being stripped of their rights, Ed. Saint Antonin Scalia (may
all blessings be upon his name) clearly said legislatures could set
limits on the 2nd amendment.

So you acknowledge we need to stop the mentally ill from getting guns...
so why not actually *DO* that? I keep hearing about it, and I keep
seeing Republicans trying to cut funds for mental illness programs.

Pick a lane.
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Gracie, age 6.
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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:30 UTC

On 8/30/23 5:28 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000 incidents
>>> of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to 2,000,000). So no,
>>> FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by them.
>>
>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>
> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
> me a sock puppet.
>
> But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
> the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
> other to death by now.

Yeah... about that - as of 4 days ago:

> There have been more than 470 mass shootings across the US so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places. For each of the last three years there have been more than 600 mass shootings - almost two a day on average.

That enough for you?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org

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Bible 25B.G.
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Gracie, age 6.
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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:32 UTC

On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
> <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
>>> moviePig
>>>> Ed Stasiak
>>
>>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
>>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
>>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>>>
>>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
>>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
>>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
>>> me a sock puppet.
>>
>> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
>
>
> I've never said a thing on this subject.
>
> BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
> move.

Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him anymore?
It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.

It's not like he does anything more than repost articles he's stolen anyway.

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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:33 UTC

On 8/30/23 5:18 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> FPP
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> You can't compel an employee to risk death.
>>> All the more reason every American should own a basic firearm "toolkit".
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/15TT3cMp/basic-American-toolkit.jpg
>>>
>> No shit. Now explain why 400 well armed and well protected cops were
>> too cowardly to tackle a single person with an AR-15?
>
> I already did, right up there in the post you're replying to (which you clearly
> didn't bother reading).
>
>> But you guys think a "good guy with a gun" is still a thing?
>
> Even the Brady Bunch acknowledges that there are FAR more good guys
> with guns then bad guys killing people with guns.
>

Yeah, and there are far more normal people than child molesters - but we
still do things to stop them.

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On 8/30/23 5:21 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> FPP
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/MGFHHLMW/psychomeds-and-kids.gif
>>>
>> All the more reason to institute red flag laws that prevent people
>> with mental issues from purchasing a gun.
>
> Yes, because losing your constitutional and human rights because
> you got into an argument with your wife and she's pissed at you,
> is a great idea...
>

More likely he'd go and get a gun and murder that wife that your
scenario. And a few more for good measure.

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 by: A Friend - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:53 UTC

In article <ucpq7n$37m3v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
> > In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
> > <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
> >
> >> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> moviePig
> >>>> Ed Stasiak
> >>
> >>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
> >>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
> >>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
> >>>
> >>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
> >>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
> >>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
> >>> me a sock puppet.
> >>
> >> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
> >
> >
> > I've never said a thing on this subject.
> >
> > BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
> > move.
>
> Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him anymore?
> It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.

I'm beginning to think that's the way to go. Let him whine and pay no
attention. Thanks.

> It's not like he does anything more than repost articles he's stolen anyway.

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 by: BTR1701 - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 19:36 UTC

On Aug 31, 2023 at 3:53:26 AM PDT, "A Friend" <nope@noway.com> wrote:

> In article <ucpq7n$37m3v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
>> > In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>> > <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> moviePig
>> >>>> Ed Stasiak
>> >>
>> >>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
>> >>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
>> >>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
>> >>>>> them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>> >>>
>> >>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
>> >>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
>> >>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
>> >>> me a sock puppet.
>> >>
>> >> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
>> >
>> >
>> > I've never said a thing on this subject.
>> >
>> > BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
>> > move.
>>
>> Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him anymore?
>> It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.
>
> I'm beginning to think that's the way to go. Let him whine and pay no
> attention. Thanks.

Speaking of screaming into the void, Effa knows I don't see anything he writes
unless someone quotes him, yet he keeps dumping dozens of replies to me every
day into this newsgroup.

Effa and Ubi, birds of a father.

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> FPP
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > The "fix" already exists; crazy people must be adjudicated in court as
> > actually being crazy before they are stripped of their rights, this isn't
> > something to be decided by a random mouse-pushing bureaucrat.
>
> Nobody is taking your fucking guns away, Ed. I remember you guys
> saying Obama was coming for them too.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-i-could-have-gotten-51-votes-in-the-senate-of-the-united-states-for-an-outright-ban-dianne-feinstein-58-97-43.jpg

> So you acknowledge we need to stop the mentally ill from getting guns...
> so why not actually *DO* that? I keep hearing about it, and I keep
> seeing Republicans trying to cut funds for mental illness programs.

I already addressed this point up there ^ in the post you're replying to, which
you clearly didn't bother reading (so why am I replying to you... again?)

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On 8/31/2023 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Aug 31, 2023 at 3:53:26 AM PDT, "A Friend" <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <ucpq7n$37m3v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>> > In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>> > <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>> moviePig
>>> >>>> Ed Stasiak
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
>>> >>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
>>> >>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
>>> >>>>> them.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
>>> >>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
>>> >>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
>>> >>> me a sock puppet.
>>> >>
>>> >> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I've never said a thing on this subject.
>>> >
>>> > BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
>>> > move.
>>>
>>> Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him anymore?
>>> It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.
>>
>> I'm beginning to think that's the way to go. Let him whine and pay no
>> attention. Thanks.
>
> Speaking of screaming into the void, Effa knows I don't see anything he writes
> unless someone quotes him, yet he keeps dumping dozens of replies to me every
> day into this newsgroup.
>
> Effa and Ubi, birds of a father.

I thought you didn't killfile real people.

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> FPP
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
> > the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
> > other to death by now.
>
> Yeah... about that - as of 4 days ago:
> There have been more than 470 mass shootings across the US so far this year

Or 0.0001175% of the 400 million guns in the U.S. and I'll further point
out to you (yet again...) that most "mass shootings" are Blacks shooting
other Blacks over a pair of tennis shoes or for pretty much no reason at all.

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> FPP
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Even the Brady Bunch acknowledges that there are FAR more good guys
> > with guns then bad guys killing people with guns.
>
> Yeah, and there are far more normal people than child molesters - but
> we still do things to stop them.

But we don't insist that ALL men be castrated because some are molesters.

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> FPP
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Yes, because losing your constitutional and human rights because
> > you got into an argument with your wife and she's pissed at you,
> > is a great idea...
>
> More likely he'd go and get a gun and murder that wife that your
> scenario. And a few more for good measure.

Cite?

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 by: BTR1701 - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:12 UTC

On Aug 31, 2023 at 2:56:18 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 8/31/2023 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 2023 at 3:53:26 AM PDT, "A Friend" <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ucpq7n$37m3v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>> > In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>>> > <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >>> moviePig
>>>> >>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
>>>> >>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
>>>> >>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
>>>> >>>>> them.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
>>>> >>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
>>>> >>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
>>>> >>> me a sock puppet.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've never said a thing on this subject.
>>>> >
>>>> > BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
>>>> > move.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him anymore?
>>>> It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to think that's the way to go. Let him whine and pay no
>>> attention. Thanks.
>>
>> Speaking of screaming into the void, Effa knows I don't see anything he
>> writes
>> unless someone quotes him, yet he keeps dumping dozens of replies to me
>> every
>> day into this newsgroup.
>>
>> Effa and Ubi, birds of a father.
>
> I thought you didn't killfile real people.

For more than 20 years, I didn't. And depending on your feelings about Effa, I
still don't. But if you're one of his few fans, then all I can say is, like
Effa's view of the Bill of Rights, no rule is absolute.

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 by: BTR1701 - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:14 UTC

On Aug 31, 2023 at 2:56:40 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> FPP
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
>> > the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
>> > other to death by now.
>>
>> Yeah... about that - as of 4 days ago:
>> There have been more than 470 mass shootings across the US so far this year
>
> Or 0.0001175% of the 400 million guns in the U.S. and I'll further point
> out to you (yet again...) that most "mass shootings" are Blacks shooting
> other Blacks over a pair of tennis shoes or for pretty much no reason at all.

Yes, propagandists like Effa like to pretend that all those "mass shootings"
they're always so het up about are all suburban white kids shooting each other
in schools and malls, when the vast, vast vast majority of them are gangs
shooting at each other with guns that ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL.

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 by: BTR1701 - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:16 UTC

On Aug 31, 2023 at 2:58:28 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> FPP
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > Yes, because losing your constitutional and human rights because
>> > you got into an argument with your wife and she's pissed at you,
>> > is a great idea...
>>
>> More likely he'd go and get a gun and murder that wife that your
>> scenario. And a few more for good measure.
>
> Cite?

Yes, Effa has proudly claimed repeatedly over the years that he never posts
anything without a cite to back it up, so he naturally he will be able to
easily provide a cite that shows it's more likely for a man to shoot his wife
in this scenario.

And yet my money is on "He won't be able to".

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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:29 UTC

On 8/31/23 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Aug 31, 2023 at 3:53:26 AM PDT, "A Friend" <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <ucpq7n$37m3v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>> > In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>> > <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>> moviePig
>>> >>>> Ed Stasiak
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits to 200,000
>>> >>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's closer to
>>> >>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than are harmed by
>>> >>>>> them.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't going
>>> >>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw some
>>> >>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky calls
>>> >>> me a sock puppet.
>>> >>
>>> >> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I've never said a thing on this subject.
>>> >
>>> > BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null. It's a dick
>>> > move.
>>>
>>> Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him anymore?
>>> It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.
>>
>> I'm beginning to think that's the way to go. Let him whine and pay no
>> attention. Thanks.
>
> Speaking of screaming into the void, Effa knows I don't see anything he writes
> unless someone quotes him, yet he keeps dumping dozens of replies to me every
> day into this newsgroup.
>
> Effa and Ubi, birds of a father.
>
>

And, yet, you simply can't stop mentioning my name. Seems like you're a
bit triggered.

But you keep posting the lies. I'm happy to let everybody except you
know you're nothing but a right wing shill.

In fact, I prefer it because it shows what a coward you are.

--
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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:31 UTC

On 8/31/23 5:56 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 8/31/2023 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 2023 at 3:53:26 AM PDT, "A Friend" <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ucpq7n$37m3v$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   On 8/30/23 9:56 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>   > In article <ucoq4b$2ufpu$12@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>>>   > <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>   >
>>>>   >> edstasiak1067@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>   >>> moviePig
>>>>   >>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>>   >>
>>>>   >>>>> Even the virulently anti-gun Brady group grudgingly admits
>>>> to 200,000
>>>>   >>>>> incidents of defensive gun use per year (the NRA claims it's
>>>> closer to
>>>>   >>>>> 2,000,000). So no, FAR more people are saved by guns than
>>>> are harmed by
>>>>   >>>>> them.
>>>>   >>>>
>>>>   >>>> Where can I Google that (lesser) claim?
>>>>   >>>
>>>>   >>> I lost the article a while back in an exHD failure and ain't
>>>> going
>>>>   >>> to waste my time looking for it again, only to have you throw
>>>> some
>>>>   >>> word salad at me in response, while FPP ignores it and Trotsky
>>>> calls
>>>>   >>> me a sock puppet.
>>>>   >>
>>>>   >> And "friend" claims it's not true because he never read it.
>>>>   >
>>>>   >
>>>>   > I've never said a thing on this subject.
>>>>   >
>>>>   > BTW, shithead, stop diverting replies to alt.dev.null.  It's a dick
>>>>   > move.
>>>>   Why do you think people don't bother reading or replying to him
>>>> anymore?
>>>>     It's easier to killfile him and let him scream into the void.
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to think that's the way to go. Let him whine and pay no
>>> attention.  Thanks.
>>
>> Speaking of screaming into the void, Effa knows I don't see anything
>> he writes
>> unless someone quotes him, yet he keeps dumping dozens of replies to
>> me every
>> day into this newsgroup.
>>
>> Effa and Ubi, birds of a father.
>
> I thought you didn't killfile real people.
>
>

Another lie, obviously. Thanny single-handedly brought me back here,
and now he slinks off because he doesn't like being exposed.

He's a brave one!
--
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 by: FPP - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:31 UTC

On 8/31/23 5:56 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> FPP
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> But again, it's only common sense; there are 400 MILLION guns in
>>> the U.S. and if guns were the problem, then we'd have all shot each
>>> other to death by now.
>>
>> Yeah... about that - as of 4 days ago:
>> There have been more than 470 mass shootings across the US so far this year
>
> Or 0.0001175% of the 400 million guns in the U.S. and I'll further point
> out to you (yet again...) that most "mass shootings" are Blacks shooting
> other Blacks over a pair of tennis shoes or for pretty much no reason at all.
>

Nope. You can point at a lie all day, and it won't make it true.

--
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