On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 19:48:15 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>
>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>> would be even more likely.
>>>
>>
>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>
>Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.

Only problem with that is time. A dinner in Paris is going to happen
early in the morning for you. Now Bora Bora actually works out well
for you as it looks to be maybe an hour or so earlier than in Los
Angeles.

>Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>

Which is why so many people are taking advantage of remote work now.
No need to get into the car and spend that half hour or more in
traffic. I've been looking for work and most jobs (professional) allow
for either complete remote or at least remote work a few days a week.
Obviously, if the job requires your physical presence there isn't an
option for remote work but many professional level jobs don't require
you to actually be in the office every day.

On Sep 7, 2023 at 2:34:30 PM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 19:48:15 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>
>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>
> Only problem with that is time. A dinner in Paris is going to happen
> early in the morning for you. Now Bora Bora actually works out well
> for you as it looks to be maybe an hour or so earlier than in Los
> Angeles.
>
>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>
> Which is why so many people are taking advantage of remote work now.

Yeah, it's kinda hard to Secret Service from your living room couch.

> No need to get into the car and spend that half hour or more in
> traffic. I've been looking for work and most jobs (professional) allow
> for either complete remote or at least remote work a few days a week.
> Obviously, if the job requires your physical presence there isn't an
> option for remote work but many professional level jobs don't require
> you to actually be in the office every day.

On 9/7/2023 2:34 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 19:48:15 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>
>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>
> Only problem with that is time. A dinner in Paris is going to happen
> early in the morning for you. Now Bora Bora actually works out well
> for you as it looks to be maybe an hour or so earlier than in Los
> Angeles.
>
>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>
>
> Which is why so many people are taking advantage of remote work now.
> No need to get into the car and spend that half hour or more in
> traffic. I've been looking for work and most jobs (professional) allow
> for either complete remote or at least remote work a few days a week.
> Obviously, if the job requires your physical presence there isn't an
> option for remote work but many professional level jobs don't require
> you to actually be in the office every day.

Doesn't stop the managers from demanding it.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>
>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>> would be even more likely.
>>>
>>
>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>
>Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>
>Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.

I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article
> <1546241736.715804044.185289.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I¹ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don¹t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>> people six at a time there¹s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>
>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>> would be even more likely.
>>>
>>
>> What would a colony world do with transporters? Effective range of them in
>> the time of TOS is low to medium Earth orbit. They can¹t reach anything
>> except visiting ships that presumably have their own transporters. They
>> aren¹t any good for moving stuff around on the planet surface either; we
>> know they can¹t go through 100 miles of solid rock.
>
>
> Relay satellites would take care of that problem.

Only with great difficulty. Transporters can’t reach geostationary orbit,
which is why the enterprise is always spiraling in the instant they lose
power. You’re talking about relay satellites all over the place that ate
too low to stay up by themselves without being pushed higher again through
some mechanism. And we don’t even know if the colony is spread out over
the planet. 8000 people could easily all be in one tiny city.

>
> I think there must be a limiting factor with transporters because, in
> the first film, we see Kirk arrive in San Francisco via shuttle instead
> of simply beaming there. My guess is that transporter frequencies
> surrounding Earth are jam-packed with traffic.
>

I can’t even successfully fanwank it.

The TOS enterprise transporters have a range limit of 16,000 miles.

One assumes the space dock which seems to stay over San Francisco is in
some sort of geostationary “orbit“ and is significantly higher than that.

But they say they have to use the space dock transporters because the
enterprise transporters aren’t working yet.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>
>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>> would be even more likely.
>>>
>>
>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>
> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back
to
our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora
Bora and
be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>
> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on
a pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>

You’re talking about a tiny colony. They don’t need it. And if they did
want it, they can’t use it for long-distance without a ton of relay
satellites. Those 8000 people probably have better things to use the
resources on. Like a back up food supply.

100 years later you could do that on deep space nine’s earth.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>
>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>>
>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>
> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>

What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
enterprise does?

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-4, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
> >>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
> >>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
> >>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
> >>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Phasers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
> >>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
> >>>> would be even more likely.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
> >>
> >> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
> >> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
> >> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
> >> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
> >>
> >> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
> >> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
> >> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
> >
> > I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
> > your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
> >
> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
> enterprise does?
> --
> The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Why didn't Stargate or Babylon 5 ever get to the big screen, anyway?

In article
<433669816.715826223.796613.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized
> >>>>>>>> dictatorial power during a famine and as the Thanos of his
> >>>>>>>> time, decreed that half the population would be put death so
> >>>>>>>> that the other half could survive on the remaining food.
> >>>>>>>> There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a massacre of
> >>>>>>>> 4000 people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000
> >>>>>>> people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Phasers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
> >>>>>
> >>>> We don't know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill
> >>>> 4000 people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
> >>>>
> >>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
> >>> would be even more likely.
> >>>
> >> What would a colony world do with transporters?
> >
> > Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the
> > girlfriend to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then
> > just beam back to our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the
> > beaches of Bora Bora and be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
> >
> > Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I
> > fantasized about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I
> > could just step on a pad in my laundry room and materialize in my
> > office 30 miles away.
>
> You're talking about a tiny colony. They don't need it.

Well, presumably the colony will expand-- that's kinda the point of
colonies, after all-- and transporters would make expansion a lot
easier. Moving construction materials from place to place, etc. And even
without the expansion, I'm sure there're parts of the planet the people
would like to visit on their downtime of for scientific research where
beaming would be a huge asset.

If Earth was uninhabited and colonists settled in what is currently the
Saint Louis area (no Arch), I bet the folks would love to enjoy the
beaches of Hawaii on their days off. Or hike in the Swiss Alps. With
transporters, that sort of thing is a breeze.

> And if they did want it, they can't use it for long-distance without
> a ton of relay satellites.

Given the level of technology in the Federation, I can't imagine why a
satellite net wouldn't be standard-issue equipment for colonies. They'd
be easy to bring with the colonists on a big ship like the Enterprise
and would just launch out of the cargo bay and self-deploy around the
globe automatically on arrival.

And as Kodos proved, transporters are necessary in case you have to
quickly and cleanly slaughter half the population of your colony.

> Those 8000 people probably have better things to use the
> resources on. Like a back up food supply.

One assumes the deadly fungus that destroyed the primary food supply
would have attacked any backups as well.

On 9/7/2023 6:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <1546241736.715804044.185289.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I¹ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don¹t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>> people six at a time there¹s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>
>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What would a colony world do with transporters? Effective range of them in
>>> the time of TOS is low to medium Earth orbit. They can¹t reach anything
>>> except visiting ships that presumably have their own transporters. They
>>> aren¹t any good for moving stuff around on the planet surface either; we
>>> know they can¹t go through 100 miles of solid rock.
>>
>>
>> Relay satellites would take care of that problem.
>
> Only with great difficulty. Transporters can’t reach geostationary orbit,
> which is why the enterprise is always spiraling in the instant they lose
> power. You’re talking about relay satellites all over the place that ate
> too low to stay up by themselves without being pushed higher again through
> some mechanism. And we don’t even know if the colony is spread out over
> the planet. 8000 people could easily all be in one tiny city.
>
>
>>
>> I think there must be a limiting factor with transporters because, in
>> the first film, we see Kirk arrive in San Francisco via shuttle instead
>> of simply beaming there. My guess is that transporter frequencies
>> surrounding Earth are jam-packed with traffic.
>>
>
> I can’t even successfully fanwank it.
>
> The TOS enterprise transporters have a range limit of 16,000 miles.
>
> One assumes the space dock which seems to stay over San Francisco is in
> some sort of geostationary “orbit“ and is significantly higher than that.
>
> But they say they have to use the space dock transporters because the
> enterprise transporters aren’t working yet.
>
Because Star Trek is widely and unanimously praised for its strict
continuity....

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 9/7/2023 6:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>>
>>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>>>
>>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>
>> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
>> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>>
>
> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
> enterprise does?
>
Stargate rings send "matter streams".

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In article <ude6tb$3b2mq$1@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

> Because Star Trek is widely and unanimously praised for its strict
> continuity....

Star Trek seems to think that a ship can enter "standard orbit" at any
altitude, and the ship will remain over a particular spot on the
planet's surface indefinitely. This can be done, but only at an
"altitude" of tens of thousands of miles. Instead, we always see the
ship orbiting at only two hundred miles or so.

Conceivably the ship could fly, under power, around and around a planet
but not orbit it.

bruce bowser <bruce1.9bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-4, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>>>
>>>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>>>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>>>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>>>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>>>>
>>>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>>>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>>>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>>
>>> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
>>> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>>>
>> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
>> enterprise does?
>> --
>> The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
>
> Why didn't Stargate or Babylon 5 ever get to the big screen, anyway?
>

Stargate did

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A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article <ude6tb$3b2mq$1@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Because Star Trek is widely and unanimously praised for its strict
>> continuity....
>
>
> Star Trek seems to think that a ship can enter "standard orbit" at any
> altitude, and the ship will remain over a particular spot on the
> planet's surface indefinitely. This can be done, but only at an
> "altitude" of tens of thousands of miles. Instead, we always see the
> ship orbiting at only two hundred miles or so.
>
> Conceivably the ship could fly, under power, around and around a planet
> but not orbit it.
>

Yes, when they say “orbit” they need “station keeping”

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 6:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>>>
>>>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>>>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>>>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>>>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>>>>
>>>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>>>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>>>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>>
>>> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
>>> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>>>
>>
>> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
>> enterprise does?
>>
> Stargate rings send "matter streams".
>

They’re still converting matter to energy and back again.

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On 9/8/2023 1:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 9/7/2023 6:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>>>>
>>>>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>>>>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>>>>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>>>>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>>>>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>>>>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
>>>> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>>>>
>>>
>>> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
>>> enterprise does?
>>>
>> Stargate rings send "matter streams".
>>
>
> They’re still converting matter to energy and back again.
>
I don't think the Stargate people got that deep into their thinking
about how it works. They call what the stargates do "demolecularizing
and reassembling" after shooting your demolecularized bits thru a
wormhole. Ring transporters are probably doing the same since both are
Alteran/Ancient technology. Asgard "beaming", who knows.

Star Trek transporters are mass->energy->mass remote converters.

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On 9/8/2023 12:48 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> bruce bowser <bruce1.9bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-4, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 7, 2023 at 11:36:06 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 7:56 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2023 5:07 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> This episode doesn't make much sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First we're told that Governor Kodos of Tarsus IV seized dictatorial
>>>>>>>>>>>> power during a famine and as the Thanos of his time, decreed that half
>>>>>>>>>>>> the population would be put death so that the other half could survive
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the remaining food. There were 8000 colonists, which resulted in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> massacre of 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve always wondered how you quickly and painlessly kill 4000 people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Phasers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beaming would also work. And he could do it in mass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don’t know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill 4000
>>>>>>>> people six at a time there’s gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>>>>
>>>>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the girlfriend
>>>>> to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées, then just beam back to
>>>>> our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day on the beaches of Bora Bora and
>>>>> be back home in time for Sunday Night Football.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>>>>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on a
>>>>> pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
>>>> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>>>>
>>> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
>>> enterprise does?
>>
>> Why didn't Stargate or Babylon 5 ever get to the big screen, anyway?
>>
>
> Stargate did
>
Started Big Screen, went Little Screen and ended Middle Screen. :D
(Hey "Middle Screen" sounds right for direct to video to me!)

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anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 9/7/2023 6:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2023 9:28 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

>>>>>>>> We don't know that he had transporters. And anytime you try to kill
>>>>>>>> 4000 people six at a time there are gonna be logistical problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why wouldn't the colony have transporters? Bulk cargo transporters
>>>>>>> would be even more likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would a colony world do with transporters?
>>>>>
>>>>> Beam to other parts of the planet. I'd love to be able to take the
>>>>> girlfriend to Paris for a romantic dinner on the Champs-Élysées,
>>>>> then just beam back to our house afterward. Or spend a luxurious day
>>>>> on the beaches of Bora Bora and be back home in time for Sunday Night
>>>>> Football.

Can you imagine the "jet lag" you'd get?

>>>>> Or even just beam to work. Many a day sitting in L.A. traffic, I fantasized
>>>>> about how nice it would be if we had transporters and I could just step on
>>>>> a pad in my laundry room and materialize in my office 30 miles away.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather have the Stargate beaming technology. At least that preserves
>>>> your molecules. In Star Trek, the transporter recreates you. Shudder
>>>
>>> What makes you think the stargate treats your molecules any better than the
>>> enterprise does?
>>>
>> Stargate rings send "matter streams".
>
> They're still converting matter to energy and back again.

Don't Stargates creates wormholes between two gates that you just pass thru?

[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

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