Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin

In the slant sunlight of the young October,
Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
[...]

https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html

#pennyspoems

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
>
> In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
>
> #pennyspoems

George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> >
> > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> >
> > #pennyspoems

> George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.

Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.

BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > >
> > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > >
> > > #pennyspoems
>
> > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
>
> BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.

Outstanding pick, good to see that you're getting close scrutiny from your readers...!

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > >
> > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > >
> > > #pennyspoems
>
> > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.

That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
>
> BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.

Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.

We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:

"The Human Tragedy ACT IV
by Alfred Austin
Alfred Austin
Personages:
Gilbert- Miriam-
Olympia- Godfrid.
Protagonists:
Love- Religion-
Patriotism- Humanity.
Place: Rome-Paris.
Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"

That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > >
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> >
> > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> >
> > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
>
> We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
>
> "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> by Alfred Austin
> Alfred Austin
> Personages:
> Gilbert- Miriam-
> Olympia- Godfrid.
> Protagonists:
> Love- Religion-
> Patriotism- Humanity.
> Place: Rome-Paris.
> Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
>
> That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."

I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.

My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.

Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.

Michael Pendragon
"No, there's no time limit, no explanation date, on Usenet threads."
-- Will Dockery on why he refuses to explain any of his unintelligible sentences

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:48:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > >
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > >
> > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > >
> > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> >
> > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> >
> > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > by Alfred Austin
> > Alfred Austin
> > Personages:
> > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > Protagonists:
> > Love- Religion-
> > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> >
> > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.
>
> My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
>
> Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.

I find presenting a poetry collection as a "play" to be an interesting idea..
Protagonists: Love- Religion-Patriotism- Humanity.
That idea I may have to steal for my collection.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > >
> > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > >
> > > #pennyspoems
>
> > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
>
> BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.

At least NancyGene is good for something.

😃

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:03:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > >
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> >
> > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> >
> > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> At least NancyGene is good for something.
>
> 😃

But you're not...
Oh, wait you inspired a collection of satirical poetry!

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 10:01:42 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:03:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > >
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > >
> > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > >
> > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > At least NancyGene is good for something.
> >
>
> But you're

Look who's talking, Ash Wurthing, the do nothing no talent wannabe thug of the poetry newsgroup.

HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > >
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > >
> > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > >
> > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> >
> > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> >
> > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > by Alfred Austin
> > Alfred Austin
> > Personages:
> > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > Protagonists:
> > Love- Religion-
> > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> >
> > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.

George, Lord Byron, would probably have had it produced in multiple forms today. He missed out on greater fame and money.
>
> My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
Where can interested readers access "Night Magick?"
>
> Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.
And therefore George Dance is wrong.

We also see in "The Human Tragedy:"
"ACT I
Personages:
Olive—Godfrid—Gilbert.
Protagonist:
Love.
Place: England.
Time: June-November 1857."

"ACT II
Personages:
Olympia--Godfrid--Gilbert--Olive.
Protagonists:
Love- Religion.
Place: Spiaggiascura--Milan--Florence.
Time: March 1858-May 1859."

"ACT III
Personages:
Godfrid--Gilbert--Miriam--Olympia.
Protagonists:
Love--Religion--Patriotism.
Place:
Capri--Mentana.
Time:
October-November 1867."

The above stage directions set the scene for acts in a play. George Dance should have known that we had a reason for also calling the poem a "play." George Dance didn't look far enough into Mr. Austin's work to realize that.. George Dance was...wrong.
>
> Michael Pendragon
> "No, there's no time limit, no explanation date, on Usenet threads."
> -- Will Dockery on why he refuses to explain any of his unintelligible sentences

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:23:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J.. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > >
> > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.

Which is why John Dunne trying to find his way to London, Ireland was so funny.

😃

Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> > >
> > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > >
> > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > by Alfred Austin
> > > Alfred Austin
> > > Personages:
> > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love- Religion-
> > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > >
> > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.
> George, Lord Byron, would probably have had it produced in multiple forms today. He missed out on greater fame and money.
> >
> > My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
> Where can interested readers access "Night Magick?"
> >
> > Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.
> And therefore George Dance is wrong.
>
> We also see in "The Human Tragedy:"
> "ACT I
> Personages:
> Olive—Godfrid—Gilbert.
> Protagonist:
> Love.
> Place: England.
> Time: June-November 1857."
>
> "ACT II
> Personages:
> Olympia--Godfrid--Gilbert--Olive.
> Protagonists:
> Love- Religion.
> Place: Spiaggiascura--Milan--Florence.
> Time: March 1858-May 1859."
>
> "ACT III
> Personages:
> Godfrid--Gilbert--Miriam--Olympia.
> Protagonists:
> Love--Religion--Patriotism.
> Place:
> Capri--Mentana.
> Time:
> October-November 1867."
>

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 12:23:56 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J.. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > >
> > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> > >
> > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > >
> > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > by Alfred Austin
> > > Alfred Austin
> > > Personages:
> > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love- Religion-
> > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > >
> > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.
> George, Lord Byron, would probably have had it produced in multiple forms today. He missed out on greater fame and money.
> >
> > My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
> Where can interested readers access "Night Magick?"
> >
> > Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.
> And therefore George Dance is wrong.
>
> We also see in "The Human Tragedy:"
> "ACT I
> Personages:
> Olive—Godfrid—Gilbert.
> Protagonist:
> Love.
> Place: England.
> Time: June-November 1857."
>
> "ACT II
> Personages:
> Olympia--Godfrid--Gilbert--Olive.
> Protagonists:
> Love- Religion.
> Place: Spiaggiascura--Milan--Florence.
> Time: March 1858-May 1859."
>
> "ACT III
> Personages:
> Godfrid--Gilbert--Miriam--Olympia.
> Protagonists:
> Love--Religion--Patriotism.
> Place:
> Capri--Mentana.
> Time:
> October-November 1867."
>
> The above stage directions set the scene for acts in a play. George Dance should have known that we had a reason for also calling the poem a "play." George Dance didn't look far enough into Mr. Austin's work to realize that.. George Dance was...wrong.

We also see in “The Argus,” Friday, January 8, 1896, “The New Poet Laureate:” “His most ambitious work, The Human Tragedy, appeared in the year following [1862], but was afterwards withdrawn from circulation, and reissued in a revised form some years later. It attracted scarcely any attention in England, and the unmerited indifference exhibited towards it by the writer's own countrymen was reprehended at the time by the Revue des Deux Mondes. Mr. Austin developed in this poem the human tragedy in Its religious, romantic, ethnical, and humanitarian aspects; and the disappointment occasioned by its failure served to infuse a good deal of bitterness into his next work, The Golden Age, a satire […]."

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:23:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J.. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > >
> > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> > >
> > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > >
> > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > by Alfred Austin
> > > Alfred Austin
> > > Personages:
> > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love- Religion-
> > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > >
> > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.
> George, Lord Byron, would probably have had it produced in multiple forms today. He missed out on greater fame and money.
> >
> > My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
> Where can interested readers access "Night Magick?"
> >
> > Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.
> And therefore George Dance is wrong.
>
> We also see in "The Human Tragedy:"
> "ACT I
> Personages:
> Olive—Godfrid—Gilbert.
> Protagonist:
> Love.
> Place: England.
> Time: June-November 1857."
>
> "ACT II
> Personages:
> Olympia--Godfrid--Gilbert--Olive.
> Protagonists:
> Love- Religion.
> Place: Spiaggiascura--Milan--Florence.
> Time: March 1858-May 1859."
>
> "ACT III
> Personages:
> Godfrid--Gilbert--Miriam--Olympia.
> Protagonists:
> Love--Religion--Patriotism.
> Place:
> Capri--Mentana.
> Time:
> October-November 1867."
>
> The above stage directions set the scene for acts in a play. George Dance should have known that we had a reason for also calling the poem a "play." George Dance didn't look far enough into Mr. Austin's work to realize that.. George Dance was...wrong.
> >

Just as the Donkey doesn't read the posts he responds to (especially the poems of his "friends"), it is becoming clear that George D. doesn't read/research the poems that he copy/pastes to his blog.

Mr. Austin's poem could be a masterpiece... or a pretentious bore. Had George read, and commented on, the poem, his blog (and the AAPC threads he uses to advertise it) would be worth reading.

Michael Pendragon
"Now it turns out that Waffle House is open until nine at night, which is a major change from the open all night schedule that was traditional."
-- Will Dockery, discussing poetry.

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 10:11:27 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 12:23:56 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > >
> > > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> > > >
> > > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > > >
> > > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > > by Alfred Austin
> > > > Alfred Austin
> > > > Personages:
> > > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > > Protagonists:
> > > > Love- Religion-
> > > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > > >
> > > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > > I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.
> > George, Lord Byron, would probably have had it produced in multiple forms today. He missed out on greater fame and money.
> > >
> > > My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
> > Where can interested readers access "Night Magick?"
> > >
> > > Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.
> > And therefore George Dance is wrong.
> >
> > We also see in "The Human Tragedy:"
> > "ACT I
> > Personages:
> > Olive—Godfrid—Gilbert.
> > Protagonist:
> > Love.
> > Place: England.
> > Time: June-November 1857."
> >
> > "ACT II
> > Personages:
> > Olympia--Godfrid--Gilbert--Olive.
> > Protagonists:
> > Love- Religion.
> > Place: Spiaggiascura--Milan--Florence.
> > Time: March 1858-May 1859."
> >
> > "ACT III
> > Personages:
> > Godfrid--Gilbert--Miriam--Olympia.
> > Protagonists:
> > Love--Religion--Patriotism.
> > Place:
> > Capri--Mentana.
> > Time:
> > October-November 1867."
> >
> > The above stage directions set the scene for acts in a play. George Dance should have known that we had a reason for also calling the poem a "play.." George Dance didn't look far enough into Mr. Austin's work to realize that. George Dance was...wrong.
> We also see in “The Argus,” Friday, January 8, 1896, “The New Poet Laureate:” “His most ambitious work, The Human Tragedy, appeared in the year following [1862], but was afterwards withdrawn from circulation, and reissued in a revised form some years later. It attracted scarcely any attention in England, and the unmerited indifference exhibited towards it by the writer's own countrymen was reprehended at the time by the Revue des Deux Mondes. Mr. Austin developed in this poem the human tragedy in Its religious, romantic, ethnical, and humanitarian aspects; and the disappointment occasioned by its failure served to infuse a good deal of bitterness into his next work, The Golden Age, a satire […]."
>

The 1889 version features a rather lengthy preface, which may also be interesting. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to read it, or the poem. (I'm still working my way through "Ulysses" when not writing my own poetry.) I would, however, like to give Mr. Austin's poem a read -- the title alone makes me suspect that it's right up my alley.

Michael Pendragon
"Waffle House is no longer the late night spot for coffee, conversation and Wi-Fi."
-- Will Dockery, discussing poetry.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 10:20:27 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Look the do nothing no talent wannabe thug of the poetry newsgroup.
>

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:34:34 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
>
> the do nothing no talent wannabe thug of the poetry newsgroup.
> >

Don't be so hard on yourself, Dink.

😃

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 5:10:30 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 10:11:27 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 12:23:56 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:48:37 PM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J.. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play..
> > > > > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg. What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts. Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> > > > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays? Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > > > by Alfred Austin
> > > > > Alfred Austin
> > > > > Personages:
> > > > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > > > Protagonists:
> > > > > Love- Religion-
> > > > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > > > >
> > > > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > > > I've often pondered over whether a Dramatic Poem like "Manfred" would be considered a play or a poem. Byron's "Manfred" was never intended to be presented on stage -- although it has been.
> > > George, Lord Byron, would probably have had it produced in multiple forms today. He missed out on greater fame and money.
> > > >
> > > > My own verse drama, "Night Magick," could go either way. I didn't write it with the idea of having it produced on stage in mind; that is to say, I intended it to be read. However, when I read it, I experience it as a "closet drama," wherein the scenes appear as a stage production in my mind.
> > > Where can interested readers access "Night Magick?"
> > > >
> > > > Austin has certainly presented "The Human Tragedy" in drama format; so AFAICS, referring to it as either a "play" or a "poem" is acceptable.
> > > And therefore George Dance is wrong.
> > >
> > > We also see in "The Human Tragedy:"
> > > "ACT I
> > > Personages:
> > > Olive—Godfrid—Gilbert.
> > > Protagonist:
> > > Love.
> > > Place: England.
> > > Time: June-November 1857."
> > >
> > > "ACT II
> > > Personages:
> > > Olympia--Godfrid--Gilbert--Olive.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love- Religion.
> > > Place: Spiaggiascura--Milan--Florence.
> > > Time: March 1858-May 1859."
> > >
> > > "ACT III
> > > Personages:
> > > Godfrid--Gilbert--Miriam--Olympia.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love--Religion--Patriotism.
> > > Place:
> > > Capri--Mentana.
> > > Time:
> > > October-November 1867."
> > >
> > > The above stage directions set the scene for acts in a play. George Dance should have known that we had a reason for also calling the poem a "play." George Dance didn't look far enough into Mr. Austin's work to realize that. George Dance was...wrong.
> > We also see in “The Argus,” Friday, January 8, 1896, “The New Poet Laureate:” “His most ambitious work, The Human Tragedy, appeared in the year following [1862], but was afterwards withdrawn from circulation, and reissued in a revised form some years later. It attracted scarcely any attention in England, and the unmerited indifference exhibited towards it by the writer's own countrymen was reprehended at the time by the Revue des Deux Mondes. Mr. Austin developed in this poem the human tragedy in Its religious, romantic, ethnical, and humanitarian aspects; and the disappointment occasioned by its failure served to infuse a good deal of bitterness into his next work, The Golden Age, a satire […]."
> >
> The 1889 version features a rather lengthy preface, which may also be interesting. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to read it, or the poem. (I'm still working my way through "Ulysses" when not writing my own poetry.) I would, however, like to give Mr. Austin's poem a read -- the title alone makes me suspect that it's right up my alley.

We are still on the waiting list for "Ulysses" at the library. We did scan the preface, but it looked at first glance like a slog, but we will revisit it. We were mostly looking for info on "The Human Tragedy."
>
>
> Michael Pendragon
> "Waffle House is no longer the late night spot for coffee, conversation and Wi-Fi."
> -- Will Dockery, discussing poetry.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > >
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> >
> > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg.

In the interest of accuracy, please stop saying that. I just told you that i'd changed the date on PPB to 1891 - which you're capable of verifying for yourself.

> What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.

Which is why I changed the date to 1891. I checked out your claim and discovered that Austin had published two revised editions, with Blackwood in 1876 and with Macmillan in 1891. Since I'd used the 1891 edition, I substituted that date instead. Now please stop giving the wrong date.

> Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?

Actually, we know no such thing. What we do know is that every time you complain about inaccurate information on the blog, you think you've found some.. And why is that? Because we both know that, if you didn't think you'd found some, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Because we know the second fact, we know the first by logical implication (contraposition). See how that works?
> > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.

> Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays?

Not as a rule. Divisions in long poems are usually called "cantos." But a poet can call the divisions in his poem whatever he wants: acts (as in a play), chapters (as in a novel), scenes (as in a movie) or whatever.

> Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.

Well, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" is a drama (a type of play), in which the story is told by the characters. Since it's a 'closet drama' the reader can't see the play and imagine it, but it's clearly indicated in the text as you could tell if you looked at it. "The Human Tragedy" is no such thing, as you could tell if you'd looked at its text.
> We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
>
> "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> by Alfred Austin
> Alfred Austin
> Personages:
> Gilbert- Miriam-
> Olympia- Godfrid.
> Protagonists:
> Love- Religion-
> Patriotism- Humanity.
> Place: Rome-Paris.
> Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
>
> That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."

Sure it does; he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles. But that doesn't turn his poem into a play. It's a long poem, told by a narrator.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:52:34 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > >
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > >
> > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg.
> In the interest of accuracy, please stop saying that. I just told you that i'd changed the date on PPB to 1891 - which you're capable of verifying for yourself.
> > What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.
> Which is why I changed the date to 1891. I checked out your claim and discovered that Austin had published two revised editions, with Blackwood in 1876 and with Macmillan in 1891. Since I'd used the 1891 edition, I substituted that date instead. Now please stop giving the wrong date.
> > Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> Actually, we know no such thing. What we do know is that every time you complain about inaccurate information on the blog, you think you've found some. And why is that? Because we both know that, if you didn't think you'd found some, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Because we know the second fact, we know the first by logical implication (contraposition). See how that works?
> > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
>
> > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays?
> Not as a rule. Divisions in long poems are usually called "cantos." But a poet can call the divisions in his poem whatever he wants: acts (as in a play), chapters (as in a novel), scenes (as in a movie) or whatever.
>

We're not talking about Will Donkey-type poets, George. If a real poet chooses to divide his poems into "Acts," you can be sure that he has a legitimate reason for doing so.

> > Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> Well, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" is a drama (a type of play), in which the story is told by the characters. Since it's a 'closet drama' the reader can't see the play and imagine it, but it's clearly indicated in the text as you could tell if you looked at it. "The Human Tragedy" is no such thing, as you could tell if you'd looked at its text.
> > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> >
> > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > by Alfred Austin
> > Alfred Austin
> > Personages:
> > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > Protagonists:
> > Love- Religion-
> > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> >
> > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> Sure it does; he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles. But that doesn't turn his poem into a play. It's a long poem, told by a narrator.
>

Imagine the narrator as delivering a monologue.

Yes, the text of the poem doesn't *look* like a play.

And since none of us have read it (I feel safe including you), we cannot make unsupported hypotheses about it. We can only go by what few facts we have established.

To wit:

1) The form appears to be that of a narrated poem rather than a play,
2) The poem is divided into "Acts," listing "Dramatis Personae" (in the 1889 ed.) and "Personages" and "Protagonists" (in the ed. quoted from above).

Since we have to assume that Mr. Austin isn't a Donkey-level moron, we must conclude that he divided it into "Acts" for a reason.

Your reason ("he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles") is speculative, and since you haven't read the poem, a wild guess.

I'm not pretending that my own conclusion is definitive by any stretch of the imagination. I'm saying that when confronted with a poem that is divided into "Acts," and lists "Dramatis Personae" and "Setting," should be considered to partake of both forms (poem and play, a.k.a., "Dramatic Verse") until its form has been determined.

Michael Pendragon
“I can't seriously imagine anyone wanting, much less trying, to pass off a Will
Dockery ‘creation' as his own. That would be like asserting property
rights over a drifting clump of offshore sewage.”
-- Gerard Ian Lewis

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:40:29 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:52:34 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J.. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > >
> > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg.
> > In the interest of accuracy, please stop saying that. I just told you that i'd changed the date on PPB to 1891 - which you're capable of verifying for yourself.
> > > What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.
> > Which is why I changed the date to 1891. I checked out your claim and discovered that Austin had published two revised editions, with Blackwood in 1876 and with Macmillan in 1891. Since I'd used the 1891 edition, I substituted that date instead. Now please stop giving the wrong date.
> > > Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> > Actually, we know no such thing. What we do know is that every time you complain about inaccurate information on the blog, you think you've found some. And why is that? Because we both know that, if you didn't think you'd found some, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Because we know the second fact, we know the first by logical implication (contraposition). See how that works?
> > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> >
> > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays?
> > Not as a rule. Divisions in long poems are usually called "cantos." But a poet can call the divisions in his poem whatever he wants: acts (as in a play), chapters (as in a novel), scenes (as in a movie) or whatever.
> >
> We're not talking about Will Donkey-type poets, George. If a real poet chooses to divide his poems into "Acts," you can be sure that he has a legitimate reason for doing so.
> > > Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> > Well, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" is a drama (a type of play), in which the story is told by the characters. Since it's a 'closet drama' the reader can't see the play and imagine it, but it's clearly indicated in the text as you could tell if you looked at it. "The Human Tragedy" is no such thing, as you could tell if you'd looked at its text.
> > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > >
> > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > by Alfred Austin
> > > Alfred Austin
> > > Personages:
> > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love- Religion-
> > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > >
> > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > Sure it does; he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles. But that doesn't turn his poem into a play. It's a long poem, told by a narrator.
> >
> Imagine the narrator as delivering a monologue.
>
> Yes, the text of the poem doesn't *look* like a play.
>
> And since none of us have read it (I feel safe including you), we cannot make unsupported hypotheses about it. We can only go by what few facts we have established.
>
> To wit:
>
> 1) The form appears to be that of a narrated poem rather than a play,
> 2) The poem is divided into "Acts," listing "Dramatis Personae" (in the 1889 ed.) and "Personages" and "Protagonists" (in the ed. quoted from above)..
>
> Since we have to assume that Mr. Austin isn't a Donkey-level moron, we must conclude that he divided it into "Acts" for a reason.
>
> Your reason ("he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles") is speculative, and since you haven't read the poem, a wild guess.
>
> I'm not pretending that my own conclusion is definitive by any stretch of the imagination. I'm saying that when confronted with a poem that is divided into "Acts," and lists "Dramatis Personae" and "Setting," should be considered to partake of both forms (poem and play, a.k.a., "Dramatic Verse") until its form has been determined.
>
>
>
> Michael Pendragon
> “I can't seriously imagine anyone wanting, much less trying, to pass off a Will
> Dockery ‘creation' as his own. That would be like asserting property
> rights over a drifting clump of offshore sewage.”
> -- Gerard Ian Lewis

I found a bio on Mr. Austin that's a bit more in-depth than the Wikipedia article, which says that Austin "saw narrative and dramatic verse as the height of poetic expression, and believed that Shakespeare and Milton were exemplars of these styles and worthy of imitation."

https://allpoetry.com/Alfred-Austin

This leads me to believe that his decision to break his poem into "Acts," etc., was due to his desire to have it viewed as "Dramatic Poetry" in imitation of Shakespeare's plays (which he discusses in the afore-mentioned Preface to the 1889 edition of his poem).

"I suppose it everybody's opinion that the most delightful of all love-stories in verse is 'Romeo and Juliet.'"

NOTE that he refers to the play as having been written "in verse."

Mr. Austin's reputation as a poet is exceptionally bad -- especially when one considers that he was Tennyson's successor as Poet Laureate. He also appears to have been a bit pretentions: "Wilfred Scawen Blunt wrote of him, 'He is an acute and ready reasoner, and is well read in theology and science.. It is strange his poetry should be such poor stuff, and stranger still that he should imagine it immortal.'”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Austin

I can see a man fitting the above description presenting his poem in quasi-play format because he considered Dramatic Verse superior to all other forms.

Michael Pendragon
“Oh, don't be silly.
Dockery's trademark is a turd with a liplock on it.
(You've seen his other ‘drawings.’ It only /looks like/ he's
sucking cock.)”
-- Dennis M. Hammes on Will Dockery.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
>> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
>> > > >
>> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
>> > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
>> > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
>> > > > [...]
>> > > >
>> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
>> > > >
>> > > > #pennyspoems
>> >
>> > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
>> > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
>> That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg.

> In the interest of accuracy, please stop saying that. I just told you that i'd changed the date on PPB to 1891 - which you're capable of verifying for yourself.

>> What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.

> Which is why I changed the date to 1891. I checked out your claim and discovered that Austin had published two revised editions, with Blackwood in 1876 and with Macmillan in 1891. Since I'd used the 1891 edition, I substituted that date instead. Now please stop giving the wrong date.

>> Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?

> Actually, we know no such thing. What we do know is that every time you complain about inaccurate information on the blog, you think you've found some.. And why is that? Because we both know that, if you didn't think you'd found some, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Because we know the second fact, we know the first by logical implication (contraposition). See how that works?

>> > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.

>> Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays?

> Not as a rule. Divisions in long poems are usually called "cantos." But a poet can call the divisions in his poem whatever he wants: acts (as in a play), chapters (as in a novel), scenes (as in a movie) or whatever.

>> Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
>> https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.

> Well, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" is a drama (a type of play), in which the story is told by the characters. Since it's a 'closet drama' the reader can't see the play and imagine it, but it's clearly indicated in the text as you could tell if you looked at it. "The Human Tragedy" is no such thing, as you could tell if you'd looked at its text.

>> We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
>>
>> "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
>> by Alfred Austin
>> Alfred Austin
>> Personages:
>> Gilbert- Miriam-
>> Olympia- Godfrid.
>> Protagonists:
>> Love- Religion-
>> Patriotism- Humanity.
>> Place: Rome-Paris.
>> Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
>>
>> That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."

> Sure it does; he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles. But that doesn't turn his poem into a play. It's a long poem, told by a narrator.

Well put, George.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:52:34 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > >
> > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > >
> > > > > #pennyspoems
> > >
> > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg.
> In the interest of accuracy, please stop saying that. I just told you that i'd changed the date on PPB to 1891 - which you're capable of verifying for yourself.

We wanted to spare ourselves the experience of revisiting your blaarrrgg. If you changed the date, please give us credit for correcting your information.

> > What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.
> Which is why I changed the date to 1891. I checked out your claim and discovered that Austin had published two revised editions, with Blackwood in 1876 and with Macmillan in 1891. Since I'd used the 1891 edition, I substituted that date instead. Now please stop giving the wrong date.
George Dance, why are you unable to say that you were wrong and thank us? You continually deflect from the original problem.

> > Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?
> Actually, we know no such thing. What we do know is that every time you complain about inaccurate information on the blog, you think you've found some. And why is that? Because we both know that, if you didn't think you'd found some, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Because we know the second fact, we know the first by logical implication (contraposition). See how that works?
1. We don't visit your blaarrrgg often.
2. We don't often look further into the poems that you select.
3. The poems that we do investigate have problems with inaccurate information and we supply adequate proof that it is inaccurate.
4. "Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?"

> > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
>
> > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays?
> Not as a rule. Divisions in long poems are usually called "cantos." But a poet can call the divisions in his poem whatever he wants: acts (as in a play), chapters (as in a novel), scenes (as in a movie) or whatever.
Also, "scenes" and "acts" as in a "play." You are wrong.

> > Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.
> Well, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" is a drama (a type of play), in which the story is told by the characters. Since it's a 'closet drama' the reader can't see the play and imagine it, but it's clearly indicated in the text as you could tell if you looked at it. "The Human Tragedy" is no such thing, as you could tell if you'd looked at its text.
Nonsense.

> > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> >
> > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > by Alfred Austin
> > Alfred Austin
> > Personages:
> > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > Protagonists:
> > Love- Religion-
> > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> >
> > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> Sure it does; he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles. But that doesn't turn his poem into a play. It's a long poem, told by a narrator.
Nonsense. George Dance, you are wrong.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > >
> > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > >
> > > > #pennyspoems
> >
> > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
> > Well, thank you for letting me know. I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> >
> > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> Outstanding pick, good to see that you're getting close scrutiny from your readers...!

Agreed and seconded.

😃

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:52:34 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:05:17 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 8:53:28 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:19:43 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:14:32 PM UTC, George J.. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog:
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October, by Alfred Austin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the slant sunlight of the young October,
> > > > > > Dew-dashed lay meadow, upland, wood, and pool;
> > > > > > Mid-time delicious, when all hues are sober
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2023/10/in-slant-sunlight-of-young-october.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #pennyspoems
> > > >
> > > > > George Dance, you have the wrong version here of the lines from Mr. Austin's play ("The Human Tragedy"). You are claiming it is the 1862 version, but what you have copied is actually the 1876 version in the play.
I checked the edition I'd copied it from, and decided to use that date (1891) instead. Much better.
> > > That may be, but you have 1862 on your blaarrrgg.
> > In the interest of accuracy, please stop saying that. I just told you that i'd changed the date on PPB to 1891 - which you're capable of verifying for yourself.
> We wanted to spare ourselves the experience of revisiting your blaarrrgg.

> If you changed the date, please give us credit for correcting your information.

Even if I felt like giving you unearned credit for my change, I am certainly not going to use your "name" on my blog. For all I know, you'll just use that as an excuse to whine here (and complain to google) that I'm using it "without permission" like your Monkey and Chimp chums have done.

> > > What you copied isn't the 1862 version. Accuracy counts.
> > Which is why I changed the date to 1891. I checked out your claim and discovered that Austin had published two revised editions, with Blackwood in 1876 and with Macmillan in 1891. [*]
Since I'd used the 1891 edition, I substituted that date instead. Now please stop giving the wrong date.
* Macmillan published its edition in 1889 and 1891.

> George Dance, why are you unable to say that you were wrong and thank us?

Why must you lie so much, NG? I thanked you days ago:
> > > > Well, thank you for letting me know.

> You continually deflect from the original problem.
NG, "the original problem" no longer exists.
(1) you claimed I'd put the wrong date (1862) on the text, and I thanked you for telling me that.
(2) I checked out the 1862 edition and found that the text was different
(3) so i changed the date to 1891. That ends it.

Since then you've been lying about all three things. That's the only "problem" here that needs attention.
> > > Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?

> > Actually, we know no such thing. What we do know is that every time you complain about inaccurate information on the blog, you think you've found some. And why is that? Because we both know that, if you didn't think you'd found some, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Because we know the second fact, we know the first by logical implication (contraposition). See how that works?
> 1. We don't visit your blaarrrgg often.

Oh, bullshit. You sniff around it every time I post a poem. When you don't find any (as with Tennyson Turner and Dixon this month), you simply pretend you found that poem somewhere else.

> 2. We don't often look further into the poems that you select.

Again, bullshit. You check every date on every poem.

> 3. The poems that we do investigate have problems with inaccurate information and we supply adequate proof that it is inaccurate.

> 4. "Why is it that every time we look more closely into the information you have supplied for an old poem, you have inaccurate information?"

> > > > BTW, while I haven't seen the earlier versions, I'm sure "The Human Tragedy" was never a "play" but always a "poem". The two words mean different things, and since (unlike some of your colleagues) you seem at least capable of learning what words mean and how to use them correctly, I thought it worth telling you that.
> >
> > > Thank you, we do know that, but Mr. Austin says his "poem" has "4 Acts." Do poems have "acts" as in plays?
> > Not as a rule. Divisions in long poems are usually called "cantos." But a poet can call the divisions in his poem whatever he wants: acts (as in a play), chapters (as in a novel), scenes (as in a movie) or whatever.

> Also, "scenes" and "acts" as in a "play."

That doesn't help your case: there are no "scenes" in Austin's poem. And there are no "Acts" either, in the first edition that you insisted was a "play" - that's divided into cantos. If it's a play, why is it not divided into acts or scenes?

> You are wrong.

No, NG; you're wrong: 4 times now.

> > > Perhaps it is a "lyrical drama" such as Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound?" That "poem" also has 4 acts. We see that Shelley's work is described as "a lyrical drama published in 1820. Shelley wrote the play to be a closet drama, which is a play not performed on stage but rather played out in the reader's mind."
> > > https://study.com/learn/lesson/prometheus-unbound-percy-bysshe-shelley-summary-analysis.html#:~:text=Percy%20Bysshe%20Shelley's%20Prometheus%20Unbound,out%20in%20the%20reader's%20mind.

> > Well, yes, "Prometheus Unbound" is a drama (a type of play), in which the story is told by the characters. Since it's a 'closet drama' the reader can't see the play and [has to] imagine it, but it's clearly indicated in the text as you could tell if you looked at it. "The Human Tragedy" is no such thing, as you could tell if you'd looked at its text.
> Nonsense.

So you haven't looked at the text of either work.

> > > We also see this at the beginning of Act IV:
> > >
> > > "The Human Tragedy ACT IV
> > > by Alfred Austin
> > > Alfred Austin
> > > Personages:
> > > Gilbert- Miriam-
> > > Olympia- Godfrid.
> > > Protagonists:
> > > Love- Religion-
> > > Patriotism- Humanity.
> > > Place: Rome-Paris.
> > > Time: August 1870 -Close of May1871"
> > >
> > > That certainly sounds like Mr. Austin is "setting the stage."
> > Sure it does; he wants his readers to think of his characters as not individuals, but players acting out the eternal human tragedy of his titles. But that doesn't turn his poem into a play. It's a long poem, told by a narrator.

> Nonsense. George Dance, you are wrong.

Nonsense, NG, you are wrong.