On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> "Doctors can refuse to provide care and assistance to certain people based on their beliefs??? Never heard of that! That is ridiculous and crazy! Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!
>
>
> Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia

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Angel of Death

https://youtu.be/yWw5LM

"Edward Rochester Esq." <senettojames48@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ba5a823f-83cd-4846-8fb2-c122293d93bcn@googlegroups.com:

> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester
> Esq. wrote:
>> "Doctors can refuse to provide care and assistance to certain people
>> based on their beliefs??? Never heard of that! That is ridiculous and
> crazy! Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are
> required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat
> EVERY patient!
>>
>>
>> Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Angel of Death
>
> https://youtu.be/yWw5LM

Much funnier: Tom Mabe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLnQXmkR3dI

--
"I've been writing poetry for nearly fifty years, rest assured it's a
poem, Pendragon." - Will Dockery demonstrating why he's a douchebag.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 8:10:00 PM UTC, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
> "Edward Rochester Esq." <senetto...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ba5a823f-83cd-4846...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester
> > Esq. wrote:
> >> "Doctors can refuse to provide care and assistance to certain people
> >> based on their beliefs??? Never heard of that! That is ridiculous and
> > crazy! Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are
> > required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat
> > EVERY patient!
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Angel of Death
> >
> > https://youtu.be/yWw5LM
>
> Much funnier: Tom Mabe!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLnQXmkR3dI
Very amusing. We may use some of that during our next call from telemarketers. The recorded call must have come from Canada, with their fun packages of assisted suicide options.
>
> --
> "I've been writing poetry for nearly fifty years, rest assured it's a
> poem, Pendragon." - Will Dockery demonstrating why he's a douchebag.

NancyGene <nancygene.andjayme@gmail.com> wrote in
news:75293623-9105-484e-b3f9-5b44d96486ean@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 8:10:00 PM UTC, Cujo DeSockpuppet
> wrote:
>> "Edward Rochester Esq." <senetto...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ba5a823f-83cd-4846...@googlegroups.com:
>> > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochest
> er
>> > Esq. wrote:
>> >> "Doctors can refuse to provide care and assistance to certain
>> >> people
>
>> >> based on their beliefs??? Never heard of that! That is ridiculous
>> >> and
>> > crazy! Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctor
> s are
>> > required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MU
> ST treat
>> > EVERY patient!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> > Angel of Death
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/yWw5LM
>>
>> Much funnier: Tom Mabe!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLnQXmkR3dI

> Very amusing. We may use some of that during our next call from
> telemarketers. The recorded call must have come from Canada, with
> their fun packages of assisted suicide options.

And still GeorgieD hasn't availed himself? What a shame.

--
"I've been writing poetry for nearly fifty years, rest assured it's a
poem, Pendragon." - Will Dockery demonstrating why he's a douchebag.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > Did the Dunce answer? Probably now since, like with the Nahsville shooter article, he only meant to slur by innuendo...
>
> > I call him a Dunce because only a dunce would set himself up on a slippery slope for a fail:
> Don't lie, Asstroll. You call me "Dunce" because your Monkey King calls me "Dunce," a term he second-handed from "Piggy John-John Ross". Piggy John-john called me "Dunce" as a pun on my family name, BTW.
> > It appears that Jim posted Mengele's name (not citing was done as the Dunce ignorantly claims)
> Once again, don't lie, Asstroll. Your Chimp tried to cite an article, and fucked up:
> "Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia"
> > as an example of a doctor doing what Jordy cannot believe (Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!).
> > "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of chief physician of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> > "When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
> I've already read the article, Asstroll. I first posted the link, remember? That's what your Monkey King began trolling about.
> > The slippery slope I shall demonstrate with examples that the whippin' fools can understand
> > Dance says he was a politician, so was Trump -- Dance - Trump
> > Zod was a sailor *(soldier), so was Mengele* -- Zod - Mengele
> Interesting flame, Asstroll, but you forgot to include Will.
>
> "Will was a civilian, so was Mengele" -- Will = Mengele (by the Asstroll's logic).
> > *for a couple months and left military service for service with the SS, Nazi Germany's state security/"secret" police force. Mengele actually committed his atrocities as a civilian doctor with the SS.
> civilian noun
> 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
> 2:a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
> b: OUTSIDER sense 1
>
> What makes you think that Mengele was a "civilian"?

Let us play dictionary games, civilian (I am retired military)

Civilian definition in American English
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
1. countable noun
In a military situation, a civilian is anyone who is not a member of the armed forces.
2. adjective
In a military situation, civilian is used to describe people or things that are not military.
Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner’s Dictionary.

noun
1. any person not an active member of the armed forces or of an official force having police power
2. Archaic
a specialist in civil or Roman law
adjective
3. of or for civilians; nonmilitary
Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition

noun
1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization
2. informal
anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider
3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law
adjective
4. of, pertaining to, formed by, or administered by civilians

noun
a. a person whose primary occupation is civil or nonmilitary
b. (as modifier)
civilian life
Collins English Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian

## Now, we were speaking of who was or wasn't military, he was SS not German military so then his was a civilian.
The SS is called paramilitary by most sources (Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
(of an unofficial force) organized similarly to a military force.)
I'll give you the other definition, but it still doesn't make him military, he was SS which was separate from the German military. He wasn't even with the SS paramilitary branch when he did what he did:
"He was declared unfit for further active service in mid-1942, when he was seriously wounded in action near Rostov-on-Don. Following his recovery, he was transferred to the headquarters of the SS Race and Settlement Main Office in Berlin,"

"The SS Race and Settlement Main Office (Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt der SS, RuSHA) was the organization responsible for "safeguarding the racial 'purity' of the SS" within Nazi Germany."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Race_and_Settlement_Main_Office
The SS Race and Settlement was part of Allgemeine SS, not the Waffen SS

## His position when he committed his atrocities was CHIEF PHYSICIAN
"In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of ***CHIEF PHYSICIAN*** of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:43:37 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > Did the Dunce answer? Probably now since, like with the Nahsville shooter article, he only meant to slur by innuendo...
> >
> > > I call him a Dunce because only a dunce would set himself up on a slippery slope for a fail:
> > Don't lie, Asstroll. You call me "Dunce" because your Monkey King calls me "Dunce," a term he second-handed from "Piggy John-John Ross". Piggy John-john called me "Dunce" as a pun on my family name, BTW.
> > > It appears that Jim posted Mengele's name (not citing was done as the Dunce ignorantly claims)
> > Once again, don't lie, Asstroll. Your Chimp tried to cite an article, and fucked up:
> > "Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia"
> > > as an example of a doctor doing what Jordy cannot believe (Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!).
> > > "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of chief physician of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> > > "When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers."
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
> > I've already read the article, Asstroll. I first posted the link, remember? That's what your Monkey King began trolling about.
> > > The slippery slope I shall demonstrate with examples that the whippin' fools can understand
> > > Dance says he was a politician, so was Trump -- Dance - Trump
> > > Zod was a sailor *(soldier), so was Mengele* -- Zod - Mengele
> > Interesting flame, Asstroll, but you forgot to include Will.
> >
> > "Will was a civilian, so was Mengele" -- Will = Mengele (by the Asstroll's logic).
> > > *for a couple months and left military service for service with the SS, Nazi Germany's state security/"secret" police force. Mengele actually committed his atrocities as a civilian doctor with the SS.
> > civilian noun
> > 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
> > 2:a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
> > b: OUTSIDER sense 1
> >
> > What makes you think that Mengele was a "civilian"?
> Let us play dictionary games, civilian (I am retired military)
>
> Civilian definition in American English
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
> 1. countable noun
> In a military situation, a civilian is anyone who is not a member of the armed forces.
> 2. adjective
> In a military situation, civilian is used to describe people or things that are not military.
> Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner’s Dictionary.
>
> noun
> 1. any person not an active member of the armed forces or of an official force having police power
> 2. Archaic
> a specialist in civil or Roman law
> adjective
> 3. of or for civilians; nonmilitary
> Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition
>
> noun
> 1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization
> 2. informal
> anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider
> 3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law
> adjective
> 4. of, pertaining to, formed by, or administered by civilians
>
> noun
> a. a person whose primary occupation is civil or nonmilitary
> b. (as modifier)
> civilian life
> Collins English Dictionary
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
>
> ## Now, we were speaking of who was or wasn't military, he was SS not German military so then his was a civilian.
> The SS is called paramilitary by most sources (Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
> (of an unofficial force) organized similarly to a military force.)
> I'll give you the other definition, but it still doesn't make him military, he was SS which was separate from the German military. He wasn't even with the SS paramilitary branch when he did what he did:
> "He was declared unfit for further active service in mid-1942, when he was seriously wounded in action near Rostov-on-Don. Following his recovery, he was transferred to the headquarters of the SS Race and Settlement Main Office in Berlin,"
>
> "The SS Race and Settlement Main Office (Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt der SS, RuSHA) was the organization responsible for "safeguarding the racial 'purity' of the SS" within Nazi Germany."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Race_and_Settlement_Main_Office
> The SS Race and Settlement was part of Allgemeine SS, not the Waffen SS
>
> ## His position when he committed his atrocities was CHIEF PHYSICIAN
> "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of ***CHIEF PHYSICIAN*** of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

Now let me continue, the definitions now include police and fire fighters, but not all defintitiosn yet and a lot of people wouldn't know that. Police may not be civilians now but they're not military either and we were taking about someone being military and definitions support calling them civilians rather than military.
Separation of military and police roles
"The separation of military and police roles is the principle by which the military and law enforcement perform clearly differentiated duties and do not interfere with each other's areas of discipline. Whereas the military's purpose is to fight wars, law enforcement is meant to enforce domestic law. Neither is trained specifically to do the other's job. Military and law enforcement differ, sometimes fundamentally, in areas such as source of authority, training in use of force, training in investigation and prosecution, and training in enforcing laws and ensuring civil liberties.[1]: 3 
Even "gray area" threats like drug trafficking, organized crime or terrorism will require sophisticated investigative skills and adherence to procedures for building a case as well as close collaboration with prosecutorial and judicial authorities. These are arguably traits solely attributed to law enforcement officers. Military personnel, on the other hand, are trained to defend the national territory from foreign military threats and are equipped with weapons designed to kill the enemy, rather than to stun or disable."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_military_and_police_roles

Now if I had killed a Arab police officer in the Middle East without damned good cause, I would be in serious trouble just like killing any other civilian:
"Definition of Civilians
Rule 5. Civilians are persons who are not members of the armed forces. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.
Practice
Volume II, Chapter 1, Section E.
Summary
State practice establishes this rule as a norm of customary international law applicable in international armed conflicts. It also applies to non-international armed conflicts although practice is ambiguous as to whether members of armed opposition groups are considered members of armed forces or civilians.
International armed conflicts
The definition of civilians as persons who are not members of the armed forces is set forth in Article 50 of Additional Protocol I, to which no reservations have been made.[1] It is also contained in numerous military manuals..[2] It is reflected in reported practice.[3] This practice includes that of States not, or not at the time, party to Additional Protocol I.[4]
In its judgment in the Blaškić case in 2000, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia defined civilians as “persons who are not, or no longer, members of the armed forces”.[5]
No official contrary practice was found. Some practice adds the condition that civilians are persons who do not participate in hostilities. This additional requirement merely reinforces the rule that a civilian who participates directly in hostilities loses protection against attack (see Rule 6). However, such a civilian does not thereby become a combatant entitled to prisoner-of-war status and, upon capture, may be tried under national law for the mere participation in the conflict, subject to fair trial guarantees (see Rule 100).
Exception
An exception to this rule is the levée en masse, whereby the inhabitants of a country which has not yet been occupied, on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading troops without having time to form themselves into an armed force. Such persons are considered combatants if they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war (see commentary to Rule 106). This is a long-standing rule of customary international humanitarian law already recognized in the Lieber Code and the Brussels Declaration.[6] It is codified in the Hague Regulations and the Third Geneva Convention.[7] Although of limited current application, the levée en masse is still repeated in many military manuals, including very recent ones.[8]
-- International Humanitarian Law Databases
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule5

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > Did the Dunce answer? Probably now since, like with the Nahsville shooter article, he only meant to slur by innuendo...
> >
> > > I call him a Dunce because only a dunce would set himself up on a slippery slope for a fail:
> > Don't lie, Asstroll. You call me "Dunce" because your Monkey King calls me "Dunce," a term he second-handed from "Piggy John-John Ross". Piggy John-john called me "Dunce" as a pun on my family name, BTW.
> >

> That's only partially true, Dunce. Both PJR and I call you "Dunce" partly as a pun on your family name, and partly because you claim to have been a member of Mensa in spite of the fact that we both perceive you as being incredibly dense (which is another pun on your family name/commentary on your stupidity).

Agreed; you also call me "Dunce" and "dense" because you like to call people stupid and other things; like Piggy John-John, you think that's how you win arguments. That's one reason I call you a Monkey as well as a Peabrain.

> > > It appears that Jim posted Mengele's name (not citing was done as the Dunce ignorantly claims)
> > Once again, don't lie, Asstroll. Your Chimp tried to cite an article, and fucked up:
> > "Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia"
> He didn't "cite" the article, Dunce. He posted Mengele's name and directed us to an article about him.

That's how citation works, Peabrain; it directs people to an article. Yet there's nothing in the article about Mengele working as a doctor and refusing treatment to anyone in it, is there?

> > > as an example of a doctor doing what Jordy cannot believe (Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!).
> > > "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of chief physician of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> > > "When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers."
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
> > I've already read the article, Asstroll. I first posted the link, remember? That's what your Monkey King began trolling about.

> I'm not trolling you, Dunce. I'm just trying to get a straight answer from you as to *why* you felt it necessary to tell us that Mengele was in the military.

Your Chimp and his Asstroll ally insist he wasa "civilian." Haven't you been reading the thread?

> > > The slippery slope I shall demonstrate with examples that the whippin' fools can understand
> > > Dance says he was a politician, so was Trump -- Dance - Trump
> > > Zod was a sailor *(soldier), so was Mengele* -- Zod - Mengele
> > Interesting flame, Asstroll, but you forgot to include Will.
===Text restored==> > "Will was a civilian, so was Mengele" -- Will = Mengele (by the Asstroll's logic).
===
> Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic.
> Unfortunately, the analogy doesn't work with Will whose career never went beyond that of a pizza delivery boy.

"Civilian" isn't a career, Michael.

> Will was a pizza boy, so was Rami Malek? -- Will = Rami Malek?
> It doesn't work.
>
> Rami Malek became a successful actor, whereas Will is a half-step away from being a pissbum.

> Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic, Dunce.
>
> Your post implied that Mengele was a soldier, and therefore all soldiers are like Mengele.

No, Peabrain, it didn't.

> > > *for a couple months and left military service for service with the SS, Nazi Germany's state security/"secret" police force. Mengele actually committed his atrocities as a civilian doctor with the SS.
> > civilian noun
> > 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
> > 2:a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
> > b: OUTSIDER sense 1
> >
> > What makes you think that Mengele was a "civilian"?

> IOW: Was the SS considered a branch of the military or an elite secret police force?

No, Peabrain. "Civilian" =/= member of an "elite secret police force." By the definition I just gave you, a "civilian" means *not* a member of the police. (BTW, there was nothing "secret" about the SS or Mengele's membership in it.)

> If the latter, he would not have been a member of the military at the time he committed his atrocities.

He wasn't a member of the army (a "soldier") at the time. That doesn't make him a "civilian" since you three got the definition wrong, again.

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > Did the Dunce answer? Probably now since, like with the Nahsville shooter article, he only meant to slur by innuendo...
> > >
> > > > I call him a Dunce because only a dunce would set himself up on a slippery slope for a fail:
> > > Don't lie, Asstroll. You call me "Dunce" because your Monkey King calls me "Dunce," a term he second-handed from "Piggy John-John Ross". Piggy John-john called me "Dunce" as a pun on my family name, BTW.
> > >
>
> > That's only partially true, Dunce. Both PJR and I call you "Dunce" partly as a pun on your family name, and partly because you claim to have been a member of Mensa in spite of the fact that we both perceive you as being incredibly dense (which is another pun on your family name/commentary on your stupidity).
> Agreed; you also call me "Dunce" and "dense" because you like to call people stupid and other things; like Piggy John-John, you think that's how you win arguments. That's one reason I call you a Monkey as well as a Peabrain..
>

Your really are dense, Dunce. Do your really believe that I consider this an "argument"?

> > > > It appears that Jim posted Mengele's name (not citing was done as the Dunce ignorantly claims)
> > > Once again, don't lie, Asstroll. Your Chimp tried to cite an article, and fucked up:
> > > "Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia"
> > He didn't "cite" the article, Dunce. He posted Mengele's name and directed us to an article about him.
> That's how citation works, Peabrain; it directs people to an article. Yet there's nothing in the article about Mengele working as a doctor and refusing treatment to anyone in it, is there?
>

That's how it works, but that's not how it's *said.*

Words matter. Learn what they mean and use them correctly.

> > > > as an example of a doctor doing what Jordy cannot believe (Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!).
> > > > "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of chief physician of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> > > > "When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers."
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
> > > I've already read the article, Asstroll. I first posted the link, remember? That's what your Monkey King began trolling about.
>
> > I'm not trolling you, Dunce. I'm just trying to get a straight answer from you as to *why* you felt it necessary to tell us that Mengele was in the military.
> Your Chimp and his Asstroll ally insist he wasa "civilian." Haven't you been reading the thread?

They're saying that SS doctors were not a part of the military. I don't pretend to know whether the SS was considered part of the military or not. It sounds like they were government police which would not qualify by American standards.

However, what they're saying is irrelevant to what you said, because they were *responding* to your statement.

You cannot pretend that you were "correcting" them (even though they appear to be correct) *before* they've said anything for you to correct.

Or does your celebrated Mensa IQ give you powers of precognition as well?

> > > > The slippery slope I shall demonstrate with examples that the whippin' fools can understand
> > > > Dance says he was a politician, so was Trump -- Dance - Trump
> > > > Zod was a sailor *(soldier), so was Mengele* -- Zod - Mengele
> > > Interesting flame, Asstroll, but you forgot to include Will.
> ===Text restored==> > > "Will was a civilian, so was Mengele" -- Will = Mengele (by the Asstroll's logic).
> ===> > Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic.
> > Unfortunately, the analogy doesn't work with Will whose career never went beyond that of a pizza delivery boy.
> "Civilian" isn't a career, Michael.
> > Will was a pizza boy, so was Rami Malek? -- Will = Rami Malek?
> > It doesn't work.
> >
> > Rami Malek became a successful actor, whereas Will is a half-step away from being a pissbum.
> > Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic, Dunce.
> >
> > Your post implied that Mengele was a soldier, and therefore all soldiers are like Mengele.
> No, Peabrain, it didn't.

That may not have been your intend (although I don't believe you for a second), but the implication remains.

> > > > *for a couple months and left military service for service with the SS, Nazi Germany's state security/"secret" police force. Mengele actually committed his atrocities as a civilian doctor with the SS.
> > > civilian noun
> > > 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
> > > 2:a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
> > > b: OUTSIDER sense 1
> > >
> > > What makes you think that Mengele was a "civilian"?
>
> > IOW: Was the SS considered a branch of the military or an elite secret police force?
> No, Peabrain. "Civilian" =/= member of an "elite secret police force." By the definition I just gave you, a "civilian" means *not* a member of the police. (BTW, there was nothing "secret" about the SS or Mengele's membership in it.)
> > If the latter, he would not have been a member of the military at the time he committed his atrocities.
> He wasn't a member of the army (a "soldier") at the time. That doesn't make him a "civilian" since you three got the definition wrong, again.
>

Okay, so we've each misspoken. He wasn't a civilian; but he also wasn't "military."

Not that any of this nit-picking matters.

The question still remains: *Why* did you feel the necessity to point out that Mengele was "military"?

Also why did you address Jim as "soldier boy" -- as if that were a derogatory term?

And, of course this entire discussions begs the eternal question of: WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > Did the Dunce answer? Probably now since, like with the Nahsville shooter article, he only meant to slur by innuendo...
> > >
> > > > I call him a Dunce because only a dunce would set himself up on a slippery slope for a fail:
> > > Don't lie, Asstroll. You call me "Dunce" because your Monkey King calls me "Dunce," a term he second-handed from "Piggy John-John Ross". Piggy John-john called me "Dunce" as a pun on my family name, BTW.
> > >
>
> > That's only partially true, Dunce. Both PJR and I call you "Dunce" partly as a pun on your family name, and partly because you claim to have been a member of Mensa in spite of the fact that we both perceive you as being incredibly dense (which is another pun on your family name/commentary on your stupidity).
> Agreed; you also call me "Dunce" and "dense" because you like to call people stupid and other things; like Piggy John-John, you think that's how you win arguments. That's one reason I call you a Monkey as well as a Peabrain..
> > > > It appears that Jim posted Mengele's name (not citing was done as the Dunce ignorantly claims)
> > > Once again, don't lie, Asstroll. Your Chimp tried to cite an article, and fucked up:
> > > "Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia"
> > He didn't "cite" the article, Dunce. He posted Mengele's name and directed us to an article about him.
> That's how citation works, Peabrain; it directs people to an article. Yet there's nothing in the article about Mengele working as a doctor and refusing treatment to anyone in it, is there?

Actually no, Dance-- your definitions fail you again!
CITE: quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly work. * Oxford Languages
You might had gotten away with something if you used this definiton-- "mention as an example*," which Rochester actually did.

OH BOY DANCE-- YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE!!
By July 1942, SS doctors were conducting ***"selections"*** where incoming Jews were segregated, and those considered able to work were admitted into the camp while those deemed unfit for labor were immediately murdered in the gas chambers.[29] Those selected to be murdered, about three-quarters of the total,[b] included almost all children, women with small children, pregnant women, all the elderly, and all of those who appeared (in a brief and superficial inspection by an SS doctor) to be not completely fit and healthy.[31][32]

The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]

Mengele's work also involved carrying out ***selections***, a task that he chose to perform even when he was not assigned to do so, in the hope of finding subjects for his experiments,[36]

When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele

> > > > as an example of a doctor doing what Jordy cannot believe (Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!).
> > > > "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of chief physician of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> > > > "When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers."
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
> > > I've already read the article, Asstroll. I first posted the link, remember? That's what your Monkey King began trolling about.
>
> > I'm not trolling you, Dunce. I'm just trying to get a straight answer from you as to *why* you felt it necessary to tell us that Mengele was in the military.
> Your Chimp and his Asstroll ally insist he wasa "civilian." Haven't you been reading the thread?

Mengele was in the military for 4 months or less and then returned to the SS, and as a doctor with the SS, not German military, he committed his atrocities. He didn't do them while a soldier.
And if you wonder why we call him a civilian:
Civilian definition in American English
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
1. countable noun
In a military situation, a civilian is anyone who is not a member of the armed forces.

> > > > The slippery slope I shall demonstrate with examples that the whippin' fools can understand
> > > > Dance says he was a politician, so was Trump -- Dance - Trump
> > > > Zod was a sailor *(soldier), so was Mengele* -- Zod - Mengele
> > > Interesting flame, Asstroll, but you forgot to include Will.
> ===Text restored==> > > "Will was a civilian, so was Mengele" -- Will = Mengele (by the Asstroll's logic).
> ===> > Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic.
> > Unfortunately, the analogy doesn't work with Will whose career never went beyond that of a pizza delivery boy.
> "Civilian" isn't a career, Michael.
> > Will was a pizza boy, so was Rami Malek? -- Will = Rami Malek?
> > It doesn't work.
> >
> > Rami Malek became a successful actor, whereas Will is a half-step away from being a pissbum.
> > Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic, Dunce.
> >
> > Your post implied that Mengele was a soldier, and therefore all soldiers are like Mengele.
> No, Peabrain, it didn't.

Look who's calling who a "Peabrain"!
You said: "Mengele was military, soldier boy."
What would that mean?
But then as the tampering with the quote section shows, you're just a Usenet troll-- we cannot expect any better from you that lies and laming attacks, which above obviously was. Rochester had it right, you didn't-- Mengele was a doctor when he committed his atrocities which is why he was mentioned-- that doctors can do wrong despite their oath.

> > > > *for a couple months and left military service for service with the SS, Nazi Germany's state security/"secret" police force. Mengele actually committed his atrocities as a civilian doctor with the SS.
> > > civilian noun
> > > 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
> > > 2:a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
> > > b: OUTSIDER sense 1
> > >
> > > What makes you think that Mengele was a "civilian"?
>
> > IOW: Was the SS considered a branch of the military or an elite secret police force?
> No, Peabrain. "Civilian" =/= member of an "elite secret police force." By the definition I just gave you, a "civilian" means *not* a member of the police. (BTW, there was nothing "secret" about the SS or Mengele's membership in it.)
> > If the latter, he would not have been a member of the military at the time he committed his atrocities.
> He wasn't a member of the army (a "soldier") at the time. That doesn't make him a "civilian" since you three got the definition wrong, again.

But it still doesn't make him military as Dance tried to claim. We're discussing if he was military or not and:
Civilian definition in American English
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
1. countable noun
In a military situation, a civilian is anyone who is not a member of the armed forces.
2. adjective
In a military situation, civilian is used to describe people or things that are not military.
Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner’s Dictionary.

noun
1. any person not an active member of the armed forces or of an official force having police power

adjective
3. of or for civilians; nonmilitary
Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 5:07:55 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:14:47 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > Did the Dunce answer? Probably now since, like with the Nahsville shooter article, he only meant to slur by innuendo...
> > > >
> > > > > I call him a Dunce because only a dunce would set himself up on a slippery slope for a fail:
> > > > Don't lie, Asstroll. You call me "Dunce" because your Monkey King calls me "Dunce," a term he second-handed from "Piggy John-John Ross". Piggy John-john called me "Dunce" as a pun on my family name, BTW.
> > > >
> >
> > > That's only partially true, Dunce. Both PJR and I call you "Dunce" partly as a pun on your family name, and partly because you claim to have been a member of Mensa in spite of the fact that we both perceive you as being incredibly dense (which is another pun on your family name/commentary on your stupidity).
> > Agreed; you also call me "Dunce" and "dense" because you like to call people stupid and other things; like Piggy John-John, you think that's how you win arguments. That's one reason I call you a Monkey as well as a Peabrain.
> > > > > It appears that Jim posted Mengele's name (not citing was done as the Dunce ignorantly claims)
> > > > Once again, don't lie, Asstroll. Your Chimp tried to cite an article, and fucked up:
> > > > "Dr. Josef Mengele - Wikipedia"
> > > He didn't "cite" the article, Dunce. He posted Mengele's name and directed us to an article about him.
> > That's how citation works, Peabrain; it directs people to an article. Yet there's nothing in the article about Mengele working as a doctor and refusing treatment to anyone in it, is there?
> Actually no, Dance-- your definitions fail you again!
> CITE: quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly work. * Oxford Languages
> You might had gotten away with something if you used this definiton-- "mention as an example*," which Rochester actually did.
>
> OH BOY DANCE-- YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE!!
> By July 1942, SS doctors were conducting ***"selections"*** where incoming Jews were segregated, and those considered able to work were admitted into the camp while those deemed unfit for labor were immediately murdered in the gas chambers.[29] Those selected to be murdered, about three-quarters of the total,[b] included almost all children, women with small children, pregnant women, all the elderly, and all of those who appeared (in a brief and superficial inspection by an SS doctor) to be not completely fit and healthy.[31][32]
> The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]
> Mengele's work also involved carrying out ***selections***, a task that he chose to perform even when he was not assigned to do so, in the hope of finding subjects for his experiments,[36]
> When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
>
> > > > > as an example of a doctor doing what Jordy cannot believe (Doesn’t that contradict the hypocratic oath which doctors are required to follow? Doesn’t make any sense… a doctor MUST treat EVERY patient!).
> > > > > "In early 1943, Von Verschuer encouraged Mengele to apply for a transfer to the concentration camp service.[23][33] Mengele's application was accepted and he was posted to Auschwitz, where he was appointed by SS-Standortarzt Eduard Wirths, chief medical officer at Auschwitz, to the position of chief physician of the Zigeunerfamilienlager (Romani family camp) at Birkenau,[23][33] a subcamp located on the main Auschwitz complex. The SS doctors did not administer treatment to the Auschwitz inmates but supervised the activities of inmate doctors who had been forced to work in the camp medical service.[34] As part of his duties, Mengele made weekly visits to the hospital barracks and ordered any prisoners who had not recovered after two weeks in bed to be sent to the gas chambers.[35]"
> > > > > "When a typhus epidemic began in the women's camp, Mengele cleared one block of six hundred Jewish women and sent them to be murdered in the gas chambers."
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele
> > > > I've already read the article, Asstroll. I first posted the link, remember? That's what your Monkey King began trolling about.
> >
> > > I'm not trolling you, Dunce. I'm just trying to get a straight answer from you as to *why* you felt it necessary to tell us that Mengele was in the military.
> > Your Chimp and his Asstroll ally insist he wasa "civilian." Haven't you been reading the thread?
> Mengele was in the military for 4 months or less and then returned to the SS, and as a doctor with the SS, not German military, he committed his atrocities. He didn't do them while a soldier.
> And if you wonder why we call him a civilian:
> Civilian definition in American English
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
> 1. countable noun
> In a military situation, a civilian is anyone who is not a member of the armed forces.
> > > > > The slippery slope I shall demonstrate with examples that the whippin' fools can understand
> > > > > Dance says he was a politician, so was Trump -- Dance - Trump
> > > > > Zod was a sailor *(soldier), so was Mengele* -- Zod - Mengele
> > > > Interesting flame, Asstroll, but you forgot to include Will.
> > ===Text restored===
> > > > "Will was a civilian, so was Mengele" -- Will = Mengele (by the Asstroll's logic).
> > ====
> > > Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic.
> > > Unfortunately, the analogy doesn't work with Will whose career never went beyond that of a pizza delivery boy.
> > "Civilian" isn't a career, Michael.
> > > Will was a pizza boy, so was Rami Malek? -- Will = Rami Malek?
> > > It doesn't work.
> > >
> > > Rami Malek became a successful actor, whereas Will is a half-step away from being a pissbum.
> > > Ash is pointing out the fallacy of Dunce Logic, Dunce.
> > >
> > > Your post implied that Mengele was a soldier, and therefore all soldiers are like Mengele.
> > No, Peabrain, it didn't.
> Look who's calling who a "Peabrain"!
> You said: "Mengele was military, soldier boy."
> What would that mean?
> But then as the tampering with the quote section shows, you're just a Usenet troll-- we cannot expect any better from you that lies and laming attacks, which above obviously was. Rochester had it right, you didn't-- Mengele was a doctor when he committed his atrocities which is why he was mentioned-- that doctors can do wrong despite their oath.
> > > > > *for a couple months and left military service for service with the SS, Nazi Germany's state security/"secret" police force. Mengele actually committed his atrocities as a civilian doctor with the SS.
> > > > civilian noun
> > > > 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
> > > > 2:a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
> > > > b: OUTSIDER sense 1
> > > >
> > > > What makes you think that Mengele was a "civilian"?
> >
> > > IOW: Was the SS considered a branch of the military or an elite secret police force?
> > No, Peabrain. "Civilian" =/= member of an "elite secret police force." By the definition I just gave you, a "civilian" means *not* a member of the police. (BTW, there was nothing "secret" about the SS or Mengele's membership in it.)
> > > If the latter, he would not have been a member of the military at the time he committed his atrocities.
> > He wasn't a member of the army (a "soldier") at the time. That doesn't make him a "civilian" since you three got the definition wrong, again.
> But it still doesn't make him military as Dance tried to claim. We're discussing if he was military or not and:
> Civilian definition in American English
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian
> 1. countable noun
> In a military situation, a civilian is anyone who is not a member of the armed forces.
> 2. adjective
> In a military situation, civilian is used to describe people or things that are not military.
> Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner’s Dictionary.
>
> noun
> 1. any person not an active member of the armed forces or of an official force having police power
> adjective
> 3. of or for civilians; nonmilitary
> Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition
>
> noun
> 1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization
> 2. informal
> anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider
> 3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law
> adjective
> 4. of, pertaining to, formed by, or administered by civilians
>
> noun
> a. a person whose primary occupation is civil or nonmilitary
> b. (as modifier)
> civilian life
> Collins English Dictionary
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/civilian