On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:32:44 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/15/2022 6:53 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:50:14 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 2/15/2022 4:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:53:17 AM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> You know that your intuition (and
> >>>> mine) have no value whatsoever.
> >>>
> >>> Speak about yours only.
> >>> My intuition is absolute.
> >>
> >> Your intuition may be on to something.
> >> It is being reporting that two other heart
> >> medication were found. in her system -
> >> Hypoxen and L-Carnitine, both not
> >> prohibited.
> >
> > Thank you! I will give 2 dollars
> > to my Sherlock Holmes robot
> > as a reward for this idea! ;-)
> >
> > BTW enlarged hearts are not
> > uncommon in young athletes
> > who train excessively.
>
> But would these three drugs be typical to
> treat someone with an enlarged heart?

Trimetadizine for sure. Hypoxen is
used for a variety of conditions, not
limited to heart conditions. L-carnitine
is an anti-oxidant supplement.

> Is it safe for a person with an enlarged
> heart to even be an athlete?

This is obviously their call and their
physician's. I don't see why not if the
condition is managed appropriately.
Personally, I wouldn't do it.

dk

On Wednesday, 16 February 2022 at 09:00:47 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/15/2022 4:39 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 16 February 2022 at 01:57:44 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 2/15/2022 4:53 AM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 15:56:55 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:10:09 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/14/2022 9:27 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Trimetadizine does not build muscle mass even when
> >>>>>> taken daily. I can show you photos to prove this point! ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't say it builds muscle mass. But if the drug allows
> >>>>> you to train longer and harder you COULD build more
> >>>>> muscle mass.
> >>>> I doubt it. Ice skaters don't usually need more muscle mass.
> >>>> Lean and mean and supple is what works best for skaters.
> >>>>>> Trimetadizine presumably allows one to train harder by
> >>>>>> providing a bit of additional protection against ischemic
> >>>>>> events, i.e. heart attacks. One has to wonder however why
> >>>>>> young athletes would need to take it, unless they are already
> >>>>>> afflicted with a hear condition.
> >>>>> I think it's just as likely that some moron in her entourage
> >>>>> slipped into her coke.
> >>>> I doubt it. My intuition is that she has a heart condition,
> >>>> which is most likely the reason no details were provided
> >>>> in order to protect her privacy.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are dozens of performance enhancing drugs one
> >>>> would take before even considering trimetadizine.
> >>>>
> >>>> dk
> >>>
> >>> The drug trimetadizine was what got Maria Sharapova banned for 2 years (reduced to 15 months). She admitted it. The real problem hasn't been touched upon here. The drug enables an athlete to perform at a >higher heart rate for longer, and if that isn't cheating then what is? Sharapova got banned, then so should anyone else.
> >> And if the athlete didn't know they were taking (actually, HAD TAKEN) a POE? And that in this case there is no good evidence that she did, nor that it has helped her much? No exceptions? Rules are rule? Zero thought?
> >> As a tennis fan, and having played it when younger, the sport requires high endurance, strength and aerobic fitness.
> >>>
> >>> Trimetadizine is obviously a performance enhancing drug, and I wouldn't ever imagine a young skater ever needing it unless it was to enhance performance.
> >> It seems that you and Dan an I can imagine lots of things without much evidence.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Ray Hall, Taree
> >
> > I haven't apportioned any blame, and if any needs to be apportioned it would be to her minders.
> >
> I was referring to Dan saying he thinks the most likely scenario is that she actually does have a heart condition (with no evidence) and you not being able to imagine she could. Her claim that the drug was accidentally taken because her grandfather takes it is hard to swallow. Her team has let her down and they are digging in their heels and she can't go against them, I guess. If I were Putin I would grab someone on her team and force him to admit slipping her the drug without her knowledge or the knowledge of anyone else on the team. Make him a scapegoat. I am not kidding. Maybe Putin is distracted by something else, like Ukraine.
>
>
> > Ray Hall, Taree

I can imagine her with a heart condition, if she was a non-skating girl. But someone who can do about 4-5 twirls in mid-air, and be as good as she is, is not imho suffering from any serious heart condition. Many athletes take these drugs, in order to moderate fluctuations in blood pressure, thus moderating some anxiety.

As for Vladimir, then I am sure that the Ukraine could be food for some ponderings.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:47:06 PM UTC-5, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I can imagine her with a heart condition, if
> she was a non-skating girl. But someone
> who can do about 4-5 twirls in mid-air, and
> be as good as she is, is not imho suffering
> from any serious heart condition.

Enlarged hearts are not uncommon among
young athletes -- whether one can imagine
them or not. Read this:

https://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/exercise-and-fitness-18/misc-health-news-265/athletic-heart-syndrome-645400.html

and Google for "athletic heart syndrome".

dk

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 8:38:14 PM UTC-5, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 16 February 2022 at 12:06:09 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Enlarged hearts are not uncommon among
> > young athletes -- whether one can imagine
> > them or not. Read this:
> >
> > https://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/exercise-and-fitness-18/misc-health-news-265/athletic-heart-syndrome-645400.html
> >
> > and Google for "athletic heart syndrome".
>
> I cannot acces the link, but enlarged hearts are
> certainly prevalent in young athletes but only to
> the extent that beta blockers or de-fibs would be
> used in someone as young as this skater. I stress
> that I am only a layman wrt medicine.

I am very surprised you cannot access the link I
posted? What DNS server are you using? May I
suggest using 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 as primary
and secondary if you are not already using
them?

Here's a plain text copy of the article:

What is athletic heart syndrome?

Athletic heart syndrome is a heart condition that may occur in people who exercise or train for more than an hour a day, most days of the week. Athletic heart syndrome isn't necessarily bad for you -- if you're an athlete. And it's not what makes young athletes expire in mid-court. While it does lead to structural changes in the heart, a person with the condition usually doesn't notice any symptoms. Athletic heart syndrome doesn't require treatment and is important to diagnose only to rule out heart problems that are serious.

Like any other muscle, the heart gets stronger with exercise. Endurance exercises such as jogging, swimming, and cycling can make the organ bigger, allowing it to pump more blood with every beat. Short, intense workouts such as weight lifting further increase the pumping power by thickening the walls of the heart.

Just as body builders sculpt their abs and biceps into highly unusual shapes, many hard-core, competitive athletes develop extraordinary hearts. Not only is the heart extra large and thick, it also may produce some irregular rhythms (arrhythmia). A person with athletic heart syndrome may also have a markedly slow resting heart rate, in the range of 35 to 50 beats a minute. In addition, electrical impulses can take strange routes across the heart, causing abnormal readings on an electrocardiogram (ECG or EKG). Together, these changes produced by exercise are called athletic heart syndrome.

Is athletic heart syndrome dangerous?

An enlarged heart, arrhythmia, and unusual ECG readings would all be signs of serious trouble for the average person. In fact, the rhythms and ECG readings associated with athletic heart syndrome often mimic life-threatening disorders. But athletic heart syndrome itself is harmless. The "abnormal" changes in the athlete's heart are actually a testament to the body's ability to adapt.

If an athlete has symptoms of chest pain, reports irregular beats, or has passed out, he or she should get a medical exam to pinpoint the problem. Your doctor may want to run extra tests to determine whether the symptoms are a normal sign of your body's ability to adapt to training, or whether there's some abnormality in your heart. These tests may include an electrocardiogram, sonogram (a picture of the heart using sound waves), or another type of test.

Of course, some athletes really do have heart trouble. Occasionally, seemingly healthy young basketball or football players drop dead in the middle of a game or a practice. In almost every case, doctors trace the death to an unsuspected condition, such as congenital heart disease, but one that has nothing to do with athletic heart syndrome.

How is athletic heart syndrome treated?

Since athletic heart syndrome is harmless, there's no reason to treat it unless you experience regular light-headedness, chest pains, or you lose consciousness. If you really want a "normal" heart again, all you have to do is stop exercising. Soon, your heart, along with the rest of your body, will sag back into its former shape. But why not keep everything extra strong and healthy for a while? You should be proud of your athletic body, heart included.

References

Maron, BJ et al. The Heart of Trained Athletes: cardiac remodeling and risks of sports, including sudden death. Circulation, Oct.10, 2006.

Bryan, Greg et al. Athletic Heart Syndrome. Medical Problems. Vol.11, Number 2.

On 2/15/22 12:18 AM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2202142047290.68376@iris02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eisner@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> I agree with most of it.
>
> I hope that includes the suggestion that perhaps we shouldn't be
> exploiting children for (especially for-profit) entertainment in
> the first place....
>
>> I can't see that fact, all things considered, as the horrible
>> injustice which some have made it out to be.
>
> You're aware, I assume, that Russia was already banned from the
> Olympics for their systematic doping programs? And that this
> "Russian Olympic Committee" moniker is already a ridiculous compromise
> -- the penalty apparently consisting of not getting their national
> anthem played (ObMusic!) when winning? Plenty of people are upset
> that Russians are at the Olympics.
>

Not to mention the caravans of well armed Russian soldiers anxious to
cross the border to Ukraine and seek political asylum.

-Owen

On 2/15/22 9:57 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/15/2022 4:53 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 15:56:55 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:10:09 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 2/14/2022 9:27 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Trimetadizine does not build muscle mass even when
>>>>> taken daily. I can show you photos to prove this point! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>> I didn't say it builds muscle mass. But if the drug allows
>>>> you to train longer and harder you COULD build more
>>>> muscle mass.
>>> I doubt it. Ice skaters don't usually need more muscle mass.
>>> Lean and mean and supple is what works best for skaters.
>>>>> Trimetadizine presumably allows one to train harder by
>>>>> providing a bit of additional protection against ischemic
>>>>> events, i.e. heart attacks. One has to wonder however why
>>>>> young athletes would need to take it, unless they are already
>>>>> afflicted with a hear condition.
>>>> I think it's just as likely that some moron in her entourage
>>>> slipped into her coke.
>>> I doubt it. My intuition is that she has a heart condition,
>>> which is most likely the reason no details were provided
>>> in order to protect her privacy.
>>>
>>> There are dozens of performance enhancing drugs one
>>> would take before even considering trimetadizine.
>>>
>>> dk
>>
>> The drug trimetadizine was what got Maria Sharapova banned for 2 years
>> (reduced to 15 months). She admitted it. The real problem hasn't been
>> touched upon here. The drug enables an athlete to perform at a >higher
>> heart rate for longer, and if that isn't cheating then what is?
>> Sharapova got banned, then so should anyone else.
>
> And if the athlete didn't know they were taking (actually, HAD TAKEN) a
> POE?  And that in this case there is no good evidence that she did, nor
> that it has helped her much? No exceptions?  Rules are rule?  Zero thought?
>
>
>
>
>  As a tennis fan, and having played it when younger, the sport requires
> high endurance, strength and aerobic fitness.
>>
>> Trimetadizine is obviously a performance enhancing drug, and I
>> wouldn't ever imagine a young skater ever needing it unless it was to
>> enhance performance.
>
> It seems that you and Dan an I can imagine lots of things without much
> evidence.
>

Ya gotta have Faith, Frank!

-Owen

FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
without knowledge, of things without parallel.

--Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 2:00:47 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

.. . . Maybe Putin is distracted by something else, like Ukraine.

Hey - that reminds me: what ever happened to that INVASION we were supposed to have today (or yesterday)?

I guess Brandon's and BoJo's hysterical warnings (amplified to the max by our billionaire MSM sources) really saved the day for us! All I know is that my Russian stocks have been going up, up, up over the last couple of days, while "The Dow" has been going down.

Meanwhile, I can hardly wait to hear more of Maria Zakharova's caustic comments about this whole, sordid affair. Sometimes, she gets a head of steam going, and there's no stopping her! ;-)

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
>
> Not to mention the caravans of well
> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
> political asylum.

More likely they are headed to classical
music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
only for protection and self-defense.

dk

On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
>>
>> Not to mention the caravans of well
>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
>> political asylum.
>
> More likely they are headed to classical
> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
> only for protection and self-defense.

Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant to bolster Ukrainian drug
dealers. The Russians are there to do the jobs that Ukrainian workers
just don't want to do.

-Owen

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
> >>
> >> Not to mention the caravans of well
> >> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
> >> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
> >> political asylum.
> >
> > More likely they are headed to classical
> > music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
> > only for protection and self-defense.
>
> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.

Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?

dk

On 2/17/22 9:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
>> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the caravans of well
>>>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
>>>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
>>>> political asylum.
>>>
>>> More likely they are headed to classical
>>> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
>>> only for protection and self-defense.
>>
>> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
>> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.
>
> Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?

Like Beecham said, the brass need no encouragement. As for the winds,
they blow hot and cold.

-Owen

On 2/18/2022 12:04 PM, Owen wrote:
> On 2/17/22 9:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
>>> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the caravans of well
>>>>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
>>>>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
>>>>> political asylum.
>>>>
>>>> More likely they are headed to classical
>>>> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
>>>> only for protection and self-defense.
>>>
>>> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
>>> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.
>>
>> Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?
>
> Like Beecham said, the brass need no encouragement.  As for the winds, they blow hot and cold.
>
> -Owen

Was it Beecham who said he never looks at the brass section for fear of encouraging them?

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 12:18:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/18/2022 12:04 PM, Owen wrote:
> > On 2/17/22 9:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
> >>> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not to mention the caravans of well
> >>>>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
> >>>>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
> >>>>> political asylum.
> >>>>
> >>>> More likely they are headed to classical
> >>>> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
> >>>> only for protection and self-defense.
> >>>
> >>> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
> >>> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.
> >>
> >> Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?
> >
> > Like Beecham said, the brass need no
> encouragement. As for the winds, they
> blow hot and cold.

And CO2.

> Was it Beecham who said he never looks
> at the brass section for fear of encouraging
> them?

I believe it was Richard Strauss.

dk

On 2/18/22 4:04 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 12:18:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/18/2022 12:04 PM, Owen wrote:
>>> On 2/17/22 9:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
>>>>> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to mention the caravans of well
>>>>>>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
>>>>>>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
>>>>>>> political asylum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More likely they are headed to classical
>>>>>> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
>>>>>> only for protection and self-defense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
>>>>> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.
>>>>
>>>> Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?
>>>
>>> Like Beecham said, the brass need no
>> encouragement. As for the winds, they
>> blow hot and cold.
>
> And CO2.
>
>> Was it Beecham who said he never looks
>> at the brass section for fear of encouraging
>> them?
>
> I believe it was Richard Strauss.

Damn Strauss! Always pretending to be Beecham!

-Owen

On 2/18/22 9:22 PM, Owen wrote:
> On 2/18/22 4:04 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 12:18:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
>>> On 2/18/2022 12:04 PM, Owen wrote:
>>>> On 2/17/22 9:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not to mention the caravans of well
>>>>>>>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
>>>>>>>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
>>>>>>>> political asylum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More likely they are headed to classical
>>>>>>> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
>>>>>>> only for protection and self-defense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
>>>>>> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?
>>>>
>>>> Like Beecham said, the brass need no
>>> encouragement.  As for the winds, they
>>> blow hot and cold.
>>
>> And CO2.
>>
>>> Was it Beecham who said he never looks
>>> at the brass section for fear of encouraging
>>> them?
>>
>> I believe it was Richard Strauss.
>
> Damn Strauss!  Always pretending to be Beecham!
>
> -Owen
>

Not Strauss's only rule:

https://interlude.hk/richard-strauss-10-golden-rules-young-conductor/

Bob Harper

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 12:05:37 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 2/18/22 9:22 PM, Owen wrote:
> > On 2/18/22 4:04 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 12:18:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>> On 2/18/2022 12:04 PM, Owen wrote:
> >>>> On 2/17/22 9:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:03:01 PM UTC-8, Owen wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/16/22 6:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 10:51:25 PM UTC-5, Owen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not to mention the caravans of well
> >>>>>>>> armed Russian soldiers anxious to
> >>>>>>>> cross the border to Ukraine and seek
> >>>>>>>> political asylum.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> More likely they are headed to classical
> >>>>>>> music concerts in Odessa, The arms are
> >>>>>>> only for protection and self-defense.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't kid yourself. Those arms are meant
> >>>>>> to bolster Ukrainian drug dealers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not to reinforce the brass and the winds?
> >>>>
> >>>> Like Beecham said, the brass need no
> >>> encouragement. As for the winds, they
> >>> blow hot and cold.
> >>
> >> And CO2.
> >>
> >>> Was it Beecham who said he never looks
> >>> at the brass section for fear of encouraging
> >>> them?
> >>
> >> I believe it was Richard Strauss.
> >
> > Damn Strauss! Always pretending to be Beecham!
> >
> > -Owen
> >
> Not Strauss's only rule:
>
> https://interlude.hk/richard-strauss-10-golden-rules-young-conductor/
>

One wonders why he did not
leave the brass completely
out of his scores!

dk

On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:

> One wonders why he did not
> leave the brass completely
> out of his scores!
>
> dk

He needed them for the Alpine.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:49:24 AM UTC-5, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
>
> > One wonders why he did not
> > leave the brass completely
> > out of his scores!
>
> He needed them for the Alpine.
>

Crampons would have
been far more useful.

dk

On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One wonders why he did not
>> leave the brass completely
>> out of his scores!
>>
>> dk
>
> He needed them for the Alpine.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

And what but the whooping horns would have been appropriate for the last
bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).

Bob Harper

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> One wonders why he did not
> >> leave the brass completely
> >> out of his scores!
> >
> > He needed them for the Alpine.
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> And what but the whooping horns
> would have been appropriate for the last
> bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).
>

Synthesizers can produce the same
sound without emitting CO2 into the
atmosphere. Brass and winds are
major poluters, just like the cattle
emitting methane! ;-)

All the music scored for/with brass
and winds should be re-scored with
synthesizers replacing them! ;-)

dk

On 2/20/22 1:30 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
>> On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> One wonders why he did not
>>>> leave the brass completely
>>>> out of his scores!
>>>
>>> He needed them for the Alpine.
>>>
>>> Ray Hall, Taree
>> And what but the whooping horns
>> would have been appropriate for the last
>> bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).
>>
>
> Synthesizers can produce the same
> sound without emitting CO2 into the
> atmosphere. Brass and winds are
> major poluters, just like the cattle
> emitting methane! ;-)
>
> All the music scored for/with brass
> and winds should be re-scored with
> synthesizers replacing them! ;-)
>
> dk

Ugh.

Bob Harper

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 7:54:57 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 2/20/22 1:30 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> >> On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One wonders why he did not
> >>>> leave the brass completely
> >>>> out of his scores!
> >>>
> >>> He needed them for the Alpine.
> >>>
> >>> Ray Hall, Taree
> >> And what but the whooping horns
> >> would have been appropriate for the last
> >> bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).
> >>
> >
> > Synthesizers can produce the same
> > sound without emitting CO2 into the
> > atmosphere. Brass and winds are
> > major poluters, just like the cattle
> > emitting methane! ;-)
> >
> > All the music scored for/with brass
> > and winds should be re-scored with
> > synthesizers replacing them! ;-)
>
> Ugh.
>

Singers too! ;-)

dk

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> > On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> One wonders why he did not
> > >> leave the brass completely
> > >> out of his scores!
> > >
> > > He needed them for the Alpine.
> > >
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > And what but the whooping horns
> > would have been appropriate for the last
> > bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).
> >
> Synthesizers can produce the same
> sound without emitting CO2 into the
> atmosphere. Brass and winds are
> major poluters, just like the cattle
> emitting methane! ;-)
>
> All the music scored for/with brass
> and winds should be re-scored with
> synthesizers replacing them! ;-)

Sure... but then, synthesizers can reproduce just about *any* instrument... so why even have an orchestra anymore?

So... who doesn't like the spectacular Canadian Brass?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=canadian+brass

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 9:27:55 PM UTC-5, Paul A wrote:
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> One wonders why he did not
> > > >> leave the brass completely
> > > >> out of his scores!
> > > >
> > > > He needed them for the Alpine.
> > > >
> > > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > > And what but the whooping horns
> > > would have been appropriate for the last
> > > bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).
> > >
> > Synthesizers can produce the same
> > sound without emitting CO2 into the
> > atmosphere. Brass and winds are
> > major poluters, just like the cattle
> > emitting methane! ;-)
> >
> > All the music scored for/with brass
> > and winds should be re-scored with
> > synthesizers replacing them! ;-)
>
> Sure... but then, synthesizers can reproduce
> just about *any* instrument... so why even
> have an orchestra anymore?

To preserve jobs for otherwise
unemployable, non retrainable
violists!

> So... who doesn't like the
> spectacular Canadian Brass?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=canadian+brass

The Canadian Brass may well be
spectacular, but it contributes to
global warming more than any
other group of comparable size! ;-)

dk

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 9:27:55 PM UTC-5, Paul A wrote:
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:40:24 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> > > On 2/19/22 9:49 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 13:34:22 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> One wonders why he did not
> > > >> leave the brass completely
> > > >> out of his scores!
> > > >
> > > > He needed them for the Alpine.
> > > >
> > > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > > And what but the whooping horns
> > > would have been appropriate for the last
> > > bars of the introduction to Rosenkavalier :).
> > >
> > Synthesizers can produce the same
> > sound without emitting CO2 into the
> > atmosphere. Brass and winds are
> > major poluters, just like the cattle
> > emitting methane! ;-)
> >
> > All the music scored for/with brass
> > and winds should be re-scored with
> > synthesizers replacing them! ;-)
>
> Sure... but then, synthesizers can reproduce
> just about *any* instrument... so why even
> have an orchestra anymore?

To preserve jobs for otherwise
unemployable, non retrainable
violists!

> So... who doesn't like the
> spectacular Canadian Brass?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=canadian+brass

The Canadian Brass may well be
spectacular, but it contributes to
global warming more than any
other music performing group
of comparable size!

Synthesizers don't exhale! ;-)

dk