Or rec.music.koko-hates-misic

Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
Stats : du 01/03/2022 au 31/03/2022

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
num| nom | nb msg | taille | or. | %
----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 290 | 588,394 | 42 | 30.11% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Frank Berger | 111 | 384,719 | 0 | 11.53% xxx
3 | Andrew Clarke | 50 | 140,159 | 3 | 5.19% x
4 | HT | 40 | 89,994 | 0 | 4.15% x
5 | Andy Evans | 36 | 78,626 | 6 | 3.74% x
6 | mswd...@gmail.com | 36 | 114,347 | 1 | 3.74% x
7 | Chris J. | 32 | 54,178 | 12 | 3.32% x
8 | JohnGavin | 29 | 62,276 | 6 | 3.01%
9 | Néstor Castiglione | 29 | 96,099 | 1 | 3.01%
10 | Todd M. McComb | 28 | 38,923 | 0 | 2.91%
11 | MELMOTH | 27 | 45,606 | 6 | 2.80%
12 | raymond....@gmai ... | 25 | 65,619 | 1 | 2.60%
13 | Bob Harper | 24 | 61,285 | 1 | 2.49%
14 | Al Eisner | 22 | 68,978 | 1 | 2.28%
15 | Owen | 17 | 59,472 | 1 | 1.77%
16 | number_six | 15 | 35,684 | 1 | 1.56%
17 | Ricardo Jimenez | 11 | 25,704 | 4 | 1.14%
18 | cheregi | 10 | 30,982 | 2 | 1.04%
19 | John Fowler | 10 | 24,914 | 2 | 1.04%
20 | Frank Lekens | 10 | 20,220 | 2 | 1.04%
----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
num| nom | or. | nb msg | taille | %
----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 42 | 290 | 588,394 | 39.25% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Chris J. | 12 | 32 | 54,178 | 11.21% xx
3 | Andy Evans | 6 | 36 | 78,626 | 5.61% x
4 | JohnGavin | 6 | 29 | 62,276 | 5.61% x
5 | MELMOTH | 6 | 27 | 45,606 | 5.61% x
6 | Ricardo Jimenez | 4 | 11 | 25,704 | 3.74%
7 | Andrew Clarke | 3 | 50 | 140,159 | 2.80%
8 | cheregi | 2 | 10 | 30,982 | 1.87%
9 | John Fowler | 2 | 10 | 24,914 | 1.87%
10 | Frank Lekens | 2 | 10 | 20,220 | 1.87%
11 | Kerrison | 2 | 3 | 9,443 | 1.87%
12 | mswd...@gmail.com | 1 | 36 | 114,347 | 0.93%
13 | Néstor Castiglione | 1 | 29 | 96,099 | 0.93%
14 | raymond....@gmai ... | 1 | 25 | 65,619 | 0.93%
15 | Bob Harper | 1 | 24 | 61,285 | 0.93%
16 | Al Eisner | 1 | 22 | 68,978 | 0.93%
17 | Owen | 1 | 17 | 59,472 | 0.93%
18 | number_six | 1 | 15 | 35,684 | 0.93%
19 | sci.space | 1 | 5 | 10,868 | 0.93%
20 | Paul A | 1 | 5 | 10,653 | 0.93%
----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
num| nom | taille | nb msg | or. | %
----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 588,394 | 290 | 42 | 25.02% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Frank Berger | 384,719 | 111 | 0 | 16.36% xxxxxx
3 | Andrew Clarke | 140,159 | 50 | 3 | 5.96% xx
4 | mswd...@gmail.com | 114,347 | 36 | 1 | 4.86% x
5 | Néstor Castiglione | 96,099 | 29 | 1 | 4.09% x
6 | HT | 89,994 | 40 | 0 | 3.83% x
7 | Andy Evans | 78,626 | 36 | 6 | 3.34% x
8 | Al Eisner | 68,978 | 22 | 1 | 2.93% x
9 | raymond....@gmai ... | 65,619 | 25 | 1 | 2.79% x
10 | JohnGavin | 62,276 | 29 | 6 | 2.65% x
11 | Bob Harper | 61,285 | 24 | 1 | 2.61% x
12 | Owen | 59,472 | 17 | 1 | 2.53% x
13 | Chris J. | 54,178 | 32 | 12 | 2.30%
14 | MELMOTH | 45,606 | 27 | 6 | 1.94%
15 | Todd M. McComb | 38,923 | 28 | 0 | 1.66%
16 | number_six | 35,684 | 15 | 1 | 1.52%
17 | cheregi | 30,982 | 10 | 2 | 1.32%
18 | ronl | 28,752 | 8 | 0 | 1.22%
19 | Ricardo Jimenez | 25,704 | 11 | 4 | 1.09%
20 | John Fowler | 24,914 | 10 | 2 | 1.06%
----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|

***** Meilleurs jours *****
num| date | nb msg | taille | or. | %
----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | 02/03/2022 | 87 | 256,601 | 7 | 9.03% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | 01/03/2022 | 77 | 218,443 | 6 | 8.00% xxxxxxxx
3 | 07/03/2022 | 61 | 154,923 | 6 | 6.33% xxxxxxx
4 | 20/03/2022 | 43 | 111,485 | 3 | 4.47% xxxx
5 | 25/03/2022 | 41 | 80,551 | 3 | 4.26% xxxx
6 | 24/03/2022 | 40 | 83,196 | 8 | 4.15% xxxx
7 | 29/03/2022 | 40 | 109,348 | 3 | 4.15% xxxx
8 | 06/03/2022 | 37 | 88,891 | 1 | 3.84% xxxx
9 | 08/03/2022 | 36 | 77,114 | 5 | 3.74% xxxx
10 | 12/03/2022 | 35 | 61,114 | 6 | 3.63% xxxx
11 | 14/03/2022 | 35 | 83,140 | 5 | 3.63% xxxx
12 | 13/03/2022 | 34 | 82,163 | 4 | 3.53% xxx
13 | 30/03/2022 | 31 | 88,940 | 2 | 3.22% xxx
14 | 23/03/2022 | 30 | 72,516 | 5 | 3.12% xxx
15 | 31/03/2022 | 28 | 87,871 | 5 | 2.91% xxx
16 | 19/03/2022 | 28 | 60,777 | 5 | 2.91% xxx
17 | 18/03/2022 | 28 | 67,923 | 1 | 2.91% xxx
18 | 17/03/2022 | 27 | 52,154 | 4 | 2.80% xxx
19 | 11/03/2022 | 26 | 68,076 | 4 | 2.70% xx
20 | 04/03/2022 | 21 | 45,237 | 3 | 2.18% xx
----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

***** Meilleurs jours *****
num| date | nb msg | taille | or. | %
----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Mardi | 180 | 470,089 | 15 | 18.69% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mercredi | 173 | 462,768 | 18 | 17.96% xxxxxxxxx
3 | Jeudi | 133 | 320,342 | 21 | 13.81% xxxxxxx
4 | Dimanche | 132 | 320,795 | 9 | 13.71% xxxxxxx
5 | Lundi | 130 | 317,642 | 14 | 13.50% xxxxxxx
6 | Vendredi | 116 | 261,787 | 11 | 12.05% xxxxxx
7 | Samedi | 99 | 198,155 | 19 | 10.28% xxxxx
----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

***** Sujet avec le plus de réponses *****
num| sujet | nb msg | taille | or. | %
----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | WAR... | 76 | 244,685 | 0 | 7.89% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | They're from Big ... | 65 | 178,062 | 1 | 6.75% xxxxxxxx
3 | You Came A Long ... | 48 | 164,139 | 1 | 4.98% xxxxxx
4 | OT: Lecture on U ... | 37 | 96,455 | 1 | 3.84% xxxx
5 | Valery Gergiev F ... | 34 | 105,366 | 1 | 3.53% xxxx
6 | What Happened to ... | 27 | 69,100 | 1 | 2.80% xxx
7 | WAYLTL - March, 2022 | 26 | 45,335 | 1 | 2.70% xxx
8 | What Does The Mi ... | 25 | 61,277 | 1 | 2.60% xxx
9 | Rachmaninov PC#1 ... | 24 | 58,258 | 1 | 2.49% xxx
10 | For MELMOTH ...... | 24 | 39,875 | 1 | 2.49% xxx
11 | Hyperion CD-R?? | 23 | 110,843 | 0 | 2.39% xxx
12 | OT: Slapping our ... | 21 | 46,531 | 1 | 2.18% xx
13 | Brahms Sextets | 20 | 32,794 | 1 | 2.08% xx
14 | Setar / Dastgahi ... | 19 | 45,400 | 1 | 1.97% xx
15 | CSO performance ... | 18 | 60,865 | 1 | 1.87% xx
16 | Too many pianist ... | 18 | 32,628 | 1 | 1.87% xx
17 | Gergiev welcome ... | 16 | 49,464 | 1 | 1.66% xx
18 | Iberia | 16 | 35,193 | 1 | 1.66% xx
19 | Re: 11-year Anni ... | 15 | 39,474 | 1 | 1.56% x
20 | Semyon Bychkov's ... | 15 | 32,778 | 1 | 1.56% x
----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés *****
num| Newsreader | nb msg | taille | or. | %
----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
1 | G2/1.0 | 647 | 1,517,203 | 78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 138 | 447,086 | 2 | 14.33% xx
3 | Mozilla/5.0 (M ... | 46 | 128,786 | 2 | 4.78%
4 | Pan/0.145 (Dup ... | 32 | 54,178 | 12 | 3.32%
5 | trn 4.0-test77 ... | 28 | 38,923 | 0 | 2.91%
6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 | 27 | 45,606 | 6 | 2.80%
7 | Alpine 2.00 (L ... | 22 | 68,978 | 1 | 2.28%
8 | ForteAgent/8.0 ... | 13 | 28,635 | 5 | 1.35%
9 | Microsoft Wind ... | 2 | 5,266 | 1 | 0.21%
10 | Hogwasher/5.24 | 2 | 6,037 | 0 | 0.21%
11 | Pluto/3.16 (RI ... | 2 | 3,167 | 0 | 0.21%
12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) | 2 | 2,269 | 0 | 0.21%
13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X ... | 1 | 3,398 | 0 | 0.10%
14 | Microsoft Outl ... | 1 | 2,046 | 0 | 0.10%
----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|

***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (utilisateur distinct) *****
num| Newsreader | Util. | nb msg | %
----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
1 | G2/1.0 | 48 | 647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 6 | 138 | 8.70% x
3 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; ... | 3 | 46 | 4.35%
4 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 | 2 | 13 | 2.90%
5 | Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous m ... | 1 | 32 | 1.45%
6 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) | 1 | 28 | 1.45%
7 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 | 1 | 27 | 1.45%
8 | Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 20 ... | 1 | 22 | 1.45%
9 | Microsoft Windows Live M ... | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
10 | Hogwasher/5.24 | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
11 | Pluto/3.16 (RISC OS/5.29 ... | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux ... | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
14 | Microsoft Outlook Expres ... | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|

Poor MELMOTH! My heart goes out to you!

dk

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:11:57 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> Or rec.music.koko-hates-misic
>
> Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
> Stats : du 01/03/2022 au 31/03/2022
>
> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
> num| nom | nb msg | taille | or. | %
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Dan Koren | 290 | 588,394 | 42 | 30.11% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Frank Berger | 111 | 384,719 | 0 | 11.53% xxx
> 3 | Andrew Clarke | 50 | 140,159 | 3 | 5.19% x
> 4 | HT | 40 | 89,994 | 0 | 4.15% x
> 5 | Andy Evans | 36 | 78,626 | 6 | 3.74% x
> 6 | mswd...@gmail.com | 36 | 114,347 | 1 | 3.74% x
> 7 | Chris J. | 32 | 54,178 | 12 | 3.32% x
> 8 | JohnGavin | 29 | 62,276 | 6 | 3.01%
> 9 | Néstor Castiglione | 29 | 96,099 | 1 | 3.01%
> 10 | Todd M. McComb | 28 | 38,923 | 0 | 2.91%
> 11 | MELMOTH | 27 | 45,606 | 6 | 2.80%
> 12 | raymond....@gmai ... | 25 | 65,619 | 1 | 2.60%
> 13 | Bob Harper | 24 | 61,285 | 1 | 2.49%
> 14 | Al Eisner | 22 | 68,978 | 1 | 2.28%
> 15 | Owen | 17 | 59,472 | 1 | 1.77%
> 16 | number_six | 15 | 35,684 | 1 | 1.56%
> 17 | Ricardo Jimenez | 11 | 25,704 | 4 | 1.14%
> 18 | cheregi | 10 | 30,982 | 2 | 1.04%
> 19 | John Fowler | 10 | 24,914 | 2 | 1.04%
> 20 | Frank Lekens | 10 | 20,220 | 2 | 1.04%
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
> num| nom | or. | nb msg | taille | %
> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
> 1 | Dan Koren | 42 | 290 | 588,394 | 39.25% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Chris J. | 12 | 32 | 54,178 | 11.21% xx
> 3 | Andy Evans | 6 | 36 | 78,626 | 5.61% x
> 4 | JohnGavin | 6 | 29 | 62,276 | 5.61% x
> 5 | MELMOTH | 6 | 27 | 45,606 | 5.61% x
> 6 | Ricardo Jimenez | 4 | 11 | 25,704 | 3.74%
> 7 | Andrew Clarke | 3 | 50 | 140,159 | 2.80%
> 8 | cheregi | 2 | 10 | 30,982 | 1.87%
> 9 | John Fowler | 2 | 10 | 24,914 | 1.87%
> 10 | Frank Lekens | 2 | 10 | 20,220 | 1.87%
> 11 | Kerrison | 2 | 3 | 9,443 | 1.87%
> 12 | mswd...@gmail.com | 1 | 36 | 114,347 | 0.93%
> 13 | Néstor Castiglione | 1 | 29 | 96,099 | 0.93%
> 14 | raymond....@gmai ... | 1 | 25 | 65,619 | 0.93%
> 15 | Bob Harper | 1 | 24 | 61,285 | 0.93%
> 16 | Al Eisner | 1 | 22 | 68,978 | 0.93%
> 17 | Owen | 1 | 17 | 59,472 | 0.93%
> 18 | number_six | 1 | 15 | 35,684 | 0.93%
> 19 | sci.space | 1 | 5 | 10,868 | 0.93%
> 20 | Paul A | 1 | 5 | 10,653 | 0.93%
> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
> num| nom | taille | nb msg | or. | %
> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Dan Koren | 588,394 | 290 | 42 | 25.02% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Frank Berger | 384,719 | 111 | 0 | 16.36% xxxxxx
> 3 | Andrew Clarke | 140,159 | 50 | 3 | 5.96% xx
> 4 | mswd...@gmail.com | 114,347 | 36 | 1 | 4.86% x
> 5 | Néstor Castiglione | 96,099 | 29 | 1 | 4.09% x
> 6 | HT | 89,994 | 40 | 0 | 3.83% x
> 7 | Andy Evans | 78,626 | 36 | 6 | 3.34% x
> 8 | Al Eisner | 68,978 | 22 | 1 | 2.93% x
> 9 | raymond....@gmai ... | 65,619 | 25 | 1 | 2.79% x
> 10 | JohnGavin | 62,276 | 29 | 6 | 2.65% x
> 11 | Bob Harper | 61,285 | 24 | 1 | 2.61% x
> 12 | Owen | 59,472 | 17 | 1 | 2.53% x
> 13 | Chris J. | 54,178 | 32 | 12 | 2.30%
> 14 | MELMOTH | 45,606 | 27 | 6 | 1.94%
> 15 | Todd M. McComb | 38,923 | 28 | 0 | 1.66%
> 16 | number_six | 35,684 | 15 | 1 | 1.52%
> 17 | cheregi | 30,982 | 10 | 2 | 1.32%
> 18 | ronl | 28,752 | 8 | 0 | 1.22%
> 19 | Ricardo Jimenez | 25,704 | 11 | 4 | 1.09%
> 20 | John Fowler | 24,914 | 10 | 2 | 1.06%
> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
> num| date | nb msg | taille | or. | %
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | 02/03/2022 | 87 | 256,601 | 7 | 9.03% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | 01/03/2022 | 77 | 218,443 | 6 | 8.00% xxxxxxxx
> 3 | 07/03/2022 | 61 | 154,923 | 6 | 6.33% xxxxxxx
> 4 | 20/03/2022 | 43 | 111,485 | 3 | 4.47% xxxx
> 5 | 25/03/2022 | 41 | 80,551 | 3 | 4.26% xxxx
> 6 | 24/03/2022 | 40 | 83,196 | 8 | 4.15% xxxx
> 7 | 29/03/2022 | 40 | 109,348 | 3 | 4.15% xxxx
> 8 | 06/03/2022 | 37 | 88,891 | 1 | 3.84% xxxx
> 9 | 08/03/2022 | 36 | 77,114 | 5 | 3.74% xxxx
> 10 | 12/03/2022 | 35 | 61,114 | 6 | 3.63% xxxx
> 11 | 14/03/2022 | 35 | 83,140 | 5 | 3.63% xxxx
> 12 | 13/03/2022 | 34 | 82,163 | 4 | 3.53% xxx
> 13 | 30/03/2022 | 31 | 88,940 | 2 | 3.22% xxx
> 14 | 23/03/2022 | 30 | 72,516 | 5 | 3.12% xxx
> 15 | 31/03/2022 | 28 | 87,871 | 5 | 2.91% xxx
> 16 | 19/03/2022 | 28 | 60,777 | 5 | 2.91% xxx
> 17 | 18/03/2022 | 28 | 67,923 | 1 | 2.91% xxx
> 18 | 17/03/2022 | 27 | 52,154 | 4 | 2.80% xxx
> 19 | 11/03/2022 | 26 | 68,076 | 4 | 2.70% xx
> 20 | 04/03/2022 | 21 | 45,237 | 3 | 2.18% xx
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
> num| date | nb msg | taille | or. | %
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | Mardi | 180 | 470,089 | 15 | 18.69% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Mercredi | 173 | 462,768 | 18 | 17.96% xxxxxxxxx
> 3 | Jeudi | 133 | 320,342 | 21 | 13.81% xxxxxxx
> 4 | Dimanche | 132 | 320,795 | 9 | 13.71% xxxxxxx
> 5 | Lundi | 130 | 317,642 | 14 | 13.50% xxxxxxx
> 6 | Vendredi | 116 | 261,787 | 11 | 12.05% xxxxxx
> 7 | Samedi | 99 | 198,155 | 19 | 10.28% xxxxx
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Sujet avec le plus de réponses *****
> num| sujet | nb msg | taille | or. | %
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | WAR... | 76 | 244,685 | 0 | 7.89% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | They're from Big ... | 65 | 178,062 | 1 | 6.75% xxxxxxxx
> 3 | You Came A Long ... | 48 | 164,139 | 1 | 4.98% xxxxxx
> 4 | OT: Lecture on U ... | 37 | 96,455 | 1 | 3.84% xxxx
> 5 | Valery Gergiev F ... | 34 | 105,366 | 1 | 3.53% xxxx
> 6 | What Happened to ... | 27 | 69,100 | 1 | 2.80% xxx
> 7 | WAYLTL - March, 2022 | 26 | 45,335 | 1 | 2.70% xxx
> 8 | What Does The Mi ... | 25 | 61,277 | 1 | 2.60% xxx
> 9 | Rachmaninov PC#1 ... | 24 | 58,258 | 1 | 2.49% xxx
> 10 | For MELMOTH ...... | 24 | 39,875 | 1 | 2.49% xxx
> 11 | Hyperion CD-R?? | 23 | 110,843 | 0 | 2.39% xxx
> 12 | OT: Slapping our ... | 21 | 46,531 | 1 | 2.18% xx
> 13 | Brahms Sextets | 20 | 32,794 | 1 | 2.08% xx
> 14 | Setar / Dastgahi ... | 19 | 45,400 | 1 | 1.97% xx
> 15 | CSO performance ... | 18 | 60,865 | 1 | 1.87% xx
> 16 | Too many pianist ... | 18 | 32,628 | 1 | 1.87% xx
> 17 | Gergiev welcome ... | 16 | 49,464 | 1 | 1.66% xx
> 18 | Iberia | 16 | 35,193 | 1 | 1.66% xx
> 19 | Re: 11-year Anni ... | 15 | 39,474 | 1 | 1.56% x
> 20 | Semyon Bychkov's ... | 15 | 32,778 | 1 | 1.56% x
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés *****
> num| Newsreader | nb msg | taille | or. | %
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | G2/1.0 | 647 | 1,517,203 | 78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 138 | 447,086 | 2 | 14.33% xx
> 3 | Mozilla/5.0 (M ... | 46 | 128,786 | 2 | 4.78%
> 4 | Pan/0.145 (Dup ... | 32 | 54,178 | 12 | 3.32%
> 5 | trn 4.0-test77 ... | 28 | 38,923 | 0 | 2.91%
> 6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 | 27 | 45,606 | 6 | 2.80%
> 7 | Alpine 2.00 (L ... | 22 | 68,978 | 1 | 2.28%
> 8 | ForteAgent/8.0 ... | 13 | 28,635 | 5 | 1.35%
> 9 | Microsoft Wind ... | 2 | 5,266 | 1 | 0.21%
> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24 | 2 | 6,037 | 0 | 0.21%
> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RI ... | 2 | 3,167 | 0 | 0.21%
> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) | 2 | 2,269 | 0 | 0.21%
> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X ... | 1 | 3,398 | 0 | 0.10%
> 14 | Microsoft Outl ... | 1 | 2,046 | 0 | 0.10%
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (utilisateur distinct) *****
> num| Newsreader | Util. | nb msg | %
> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
> 1 | G2/1.0 | 48 | 647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 6 | 138 | 8.70% x
> 3 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; ... | 3 | 46 | 4.35%
> 4 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 | 2 | 13 | 2.90%
> 5 | Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous m ... | 1 | 32 | 1.45%
> 6 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) | 1 | 28 | 1.45%
> 7 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 | 1 | 27 | 1.45%
> 8 | Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 20 ... | 1 | 22 | 1.45%
> 9 | Microsoft Windows Live M ... | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24 | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RISC OS/5.29 ... | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux ... | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
> 14 | Microsoft Outlook Expres ... | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé) *****
> num| Newsreader | nb msg | taille | or. | %
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | G2 | 647 | 1,517,203 | 78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Mozilla | 185 | 579,270 | 4 | 19.21% xx
> 3 | Pan | 32 | 54,178 | 12 | 3.32%
> 4 | trn | 28 | 38,923 | 0 | 2.91%
> 5 | MesNews | 27 | 45,606 | 6 | 2.80%
> 6 | Alpine | 22 | 68,978 | 1 | 2.28%
> 7 | ForteAgent | 13 | 28,635 | 5 | 1.35%
> 8 | Microsoft Wind ... | 2 | 5,266 | 1 | 0.21%
> 9 | Hogwasher | 2 | 6,037 | 0 | 0.21%
> 10 | Pluto | 2 | 3,167 | 0 | 0.21%
> 11 | slrn | 2 | 2,269 | 0 | 0.21%
> 12 | Microsoft Outl ... | 1 | 2,046 | 0 | 0.10%
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé, par utilisateur) *****
> num| Newsreader | Util. | nb msg | %
> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
> 1 | G2 | 48 | 647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | Mozilla | 10 | 185 | 14.49% xx
> 3 | ForteAgent | 2 | 13 | 2.90%
> 4 | Pan | 1 | 32 | 1.45%
> 5 | trn | 1 | 28 | 1.45%
> 6 | MesNews | 1 | 27 | 1.45%
> 7 | Alpine | 1 | 22 | 1.45%
> 8 | Microsoft Windows Live Mail | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 9 | Hogwasher | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 10 | Pluto | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 11 | slrn | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
> 12 | Microsoft Outlook Express | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Résumé *****
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> Taille totale : 2351578 octets (2,296.46 ko)
> Nombre de lignes : 9268 lignes
> Nombre de contributeurs : 69
> Nombre de messages moy. par contributeur : 13.96
> Taille de messages moy. par contributeur : 34,080.84 octets (33.28 ko))
> Nombre de lignes moy. par contributeur : 134.32

On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
> Or rec.music.koko-hates-misic
>
> Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
> Stats : du 01/03/2022 au 31/03/2022
>
> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
> num| nom                  | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | Dan Koren            |    290 | 588,394 |  42 | 30.11% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Frank Berger         |    111 | 384,719 |   0 | 11.53% xxx
>  3 | Andrew Clarke        |     50 | 140,159 |   3 |  5.19% x
>  4 | HT                   |     40 |  89,994 |   0 |  4.15% x
>  5 | Andy Evans           |     36 |  78,626 |   6 |  3.74% x
>  6 | mswd...@gmail.com    |     36 | 114,347 |   1 |  3.74% x
>  7 | Chris J.             |     32 |  54,178 |  12 |  3.32% x
>  8 | JohnGavin            |     29 |  62,276 |   6 |  3.01%
>  9 | Néstor Castiglione   |     29 |  96,099 |   1 |  3.01%
> 10 | Todd M. McComb       |     28 |  38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
> 11 | MELMOTH              |     27 |  45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
> 12 | raymond....@gmai ... |     25 |  65,619 |   1 |  2.60%
> 13 | Bob Harper           |     24 |  61,285 |   1 |  2.49%
> 14 | Al Eisner            |     22 |  68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
> 15 | Owen                 |     17 |  59,472 |   1 |  1.77%
> 16 | number_six           |     15 |  35,684 |   1 |  1.56%
> 17 | Ricardo Jimenez      |     11 |  25,704 |   4 |  1.14%
> 18 | cheregi              |     10 |  30,982 |   2 |  1.04%
> 19 | John Fowler          |     10 |  24,914 |   2 |  1.04%
> 20 | Frank Lekens         |     10 |  20,220 |   2 |  1.04%
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
> num| nom                  | or. | nb msg | taille  | %
> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>  1 | Dan Koren            |  42 |    290 | 588,394 | 39.25% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Chris J.             |  12 |     32 |  54,178 | 11.21% xx
>  3 | Andy Evans           |   6 |     36 |  78,626 |  5.61% x
>  4 | JohnGavin            |   6 |     29 |  62,276 |  5.61% x
>  5 | MELMOTH              |   6 |     27 |  45,606 |  5.61% x
>  6 | Ricardo Jimenez      |   4 |     11 |  25,704 |  3.74%
>  7 | Andrew Clarke        |   3 |     50 | 140,159 |  2.80%
>  8 | cheregi              |   2 |     10 |  30,982 |  1.87%
>  9 | John Fowler          |   2 |     10 |  24,914 |  1.87%
> 10 | Frank Lekens         |   2 |     10 |  20,220 |  1.87%
> 11 | Kerrison             |   2 |      3 |   9,443 |  1.87%
> 12 | mswd...@gmail.com    |   1 |     36 | 114,347 |  0.93%
> 13 | Néstor Castiglione   |   1 |     29 |  96,099 |  0.93%
> 14 | raymond....@gmai ... |   1 |     25 |  65,619 |  0.93%
> 15 | Bob Harper           |   1 |     24 |  61,285 |  0.93%
> 16 | Al Eisner            |   1 |     22 |  68,978 |  0.93%
> 17 | Owen                 |   1 |     17 |  59,472 |  0.93%
> 18 | number_six           |   1 |     15 |  35,684 |  0.93%
> 19 | sci.space            |   1 |      5 |  10,868 |  0.93%
> 20 | Paul A               |   1 |      5 |  10,653 |  0.93%
> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
> num| nom                  | taille  | nb msg | or. | %
> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | Dan Koren            | 588,394 |    290 |  42 | 25.02% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Frank Berger         | 384,719 |    111 |   0 | 16.36% xxxxxx
>  3 | Andrew Clarke        | 140,159 |     50 |   3 |  5.96% xx
>  4 | mswd...@gmail.com    | 114,347 |     36 |   1 |  4.86% x
>  5 | Néstor Castiglione   |  96,099 |     29 |   1 |  4.09% x
>  6 | HT                   |  89,994 |     40 |   0 |  3.83% x
>  7 | Andy Evans           |  78,626 |     36 |   6 |  3.34% x
>  8 | Al Eisner            |  68,978 |     22 |   1 |  2.93% x
>  9 | raymond....@gmai ... |  65,619 |     25 |   1 |  2.79% x
> 10 | JohnGavin            |  62,276 |     29 |   6 |  2.65% x
> 11 | Bob Harper           |  61,285 |     24 |   1 |  2.61% x
> 12 | Owen                 |  59,472 |     17 |   1 |  2.53% x
> 13 | Chris J.             |  54,178 |     32 |  12 |  2.30%
> 14 | MELMOTH              |  45,606 |     27 |   6 |  1.94%
> 15 | Todd M. McComb       |  38,923 |     28 |   0 |  1.66%
> 16 | number_six           |  35,684 |     15 |   1 |  1.52%
> 17 | cheregi              |  30,982 |     10 |   2 |  1.32%
> 18 | ronl                 |  28,752 |      8 |   0 |  1.22%
> 19 | Ricardo Jimenez      |  25,704 |     11 |   4 |  1.09%
> 20 | John Fowler          |  24,914 |     10 |   2 |  1.06%
> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
> num| date       | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | 02/03/2022 |     87 | 256,601 |   7 |  9.03% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | 01/03/2022 |     77 | 218,443 |   6 |  8.00% xxxxxxxx
>  3 | 07/03/2022 |     61 | 154,923 |   6 |  6.33% xxxxxxx
>  4 | 20/03/2022 |     43 | 111,485 |   3 |  4.47% xxxx
>  5 | 25/03/2022 |     41 |  80,551 |   3 |  4.26% xxxx
>  6 | 24/03/2022 |     40 |  83,196 |   8 |  4.15% xxxx
>  7 | 29/03/2022 |     40 | 109,348 |   3 |  4.15% xxxx
>  8 | 06/03/2022 |     37 |  88,891 |   1 |  3.84% xxxx
>  9 | 08/03/2022 |     36 |  77,114 |   5 |  3.74% xxxx
> 10 | 12/03/2022 |     35 |  61,114 |   6 |  3.63% xxxx
> 11 | 14/03/2022 |     35 |  83,140 |   5 |  3.63% xxxx
> 12 | 13/03/2022 |     34 |  82,163 |   4 |  3.53% xxx
> 13 | 30/03/2022 |     31 |  88,940 |   2 |  3.22% xxx
> 14 | 23/03/2022 |     30 |  72,516 |   5 |  3.12% xxx
> 15 | 31/03/2022 |     28 |  87,871 |   5 |  2.91% xxx
> 16 | 19/03/2022 |     28 |  60,777 |   5 |  2.91% xxx
> 17 | 18/03/2022 |     28 |  67,923 |   1 |  2.91% xxx
> 18 | 17/03/2022 |     27 |  52,154 |   4 |  2.80% xxx
> 19 | 11/03/2022 |     26 |  68,076 |   4 |  2.70% xx
> 20 | 04/03/2022 |     21 |  45,237 |   3 |  2.18% xx
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
> num| date       | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | Mardi      |    180 | 470,089 |  15 | 18.69% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Mercredi   |    173 | 462,768 |  18 | 17.96% xxxxxxxxx
>  3 | Jeudi      |    133 | 320,342 |  21 | 13.81% xxxxxxx
>  4 | Dimanche   |    132 | 320,795 |   9 | 13.71% xxxxxxx
>  5 | Lundi      |    130 | 317,642 |  14 | 13.50% xxxxxxx
>  6 | Vendredi   |    116 | 261,787 |  11 | 12.05% xxxxxx
>  7 | Samedi     |     99 | 198,155 |  19 | 10.28% xxxxx
> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Sujet avec le plus de réponses *****
> num| sujet                | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | WAR...               |     76 | 244,685 |   0 |  7.89% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | They're from Big ... |     65 | 178,062 |   1 |  6.75% xxxxxxxx
>  3 | You Came A Long  ... |     48 | 164,139 |   1 |  4.98% xxxxxx
>  4 | OT: Lecture on U ... |     37 |  96,455 |   1 |  3.84% xxxx
>  5 | Valery Gergiev F ... |     34 | 105,366 |   1 |  3.53% xxxx
>  6 | What Happened to ... |     27 |  69,100 |   1 |  2.80% xxx
>  7 | WAYLTL - March, 2022 |     26 |  45,335 |   1 |  2.70% xxx
>  8 | What Does The Mi ... |     25 |  61,277 |   1 |  2.60% xxx
>  9 | Rachmaninov PC#1 ... |     24 |  58,258 |   1 |  2.49% xxx
> 10 | For MELMOTH ......   |     24 |  39,875 |   1 |  2.49% xxx
> 11 | Hyperion CD-R??      |     23 | 110,843 |   0 |  2.39% xxx
> 12 | OT: Slapping our ... |     21 |  46,531 |   1 |  2.18% xx
> 13 | Brahms Sextets       |     20 |  32,794 |   1 |  2.08% xx
> 14 | Setar / Dastgahi ... |     19 |  45,400 |   1 |  1.97% xx
> 15 | CSO performance  ... |     18 |  60,865 |   1 |  1.87% xx
> 16 | Too many pianist ... |     18 |  32,628 |   1 |  1.87% xx
> 17 | Gergiev welcome  ... |     16 |  49,464 |   1 |  1.66% xx
> 18 | Iberia               |     16 |  35,193 |   1 |  1.66% xx
> 19 | Re: 11-year Anni ... |     15 |  39,474 |   1 |  1.56% x
> 20 | Semyon Bychkov's ... |     15 |  32,778 |   1 |  1.56% x
> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés *****
> num| Newsreader         | nb msg | taille    | or. | %
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | G2/1.0             |    647 | 1,517,203 |  78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... |    138 |   447,086 |   2 | 14.33% xx
>  3 | Mozilla/5.0 (M ... |     46 |   128,786 |   2 |  4.78%
>  4 | Pan/0.145 (Dup ... |     32 |    54,178 |  12 |  3.32%
>  5 | trn 4.0-test77 ... |     28 |    38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>  6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 |     27 |    45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>  7 | Alpine 2.00 (L ... |     22 |    68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>  8 | ForteAgent/8.0 ... |     13 |    28,635 |   5 |  1.35%
>  9 | Microsoft Wind ... |      2 |     5,266 |   1 |  0.21%
> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24     |      2 |     6,037 |   0 |  0.21%
> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RI ... |      2 |     3,167 |   0 |  0.21%
> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) |      2 |     2,269 |   0 |  0.21%
> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X ... |      1 |     3,398 |   0 |  0.10%
> 14 | Microsoft Outl ... |      1 |     2,046 |   0 |  0.10%
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (utilisateur distinct) *****
> num| Newsreader                   | Util. | nb msg | %
> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>  1 | G2/1.0                       |    48 |    647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT  ... |     6 |    138 |  8.70% x
>  3 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh;  ... |     3 |     46 |  4.35%
>  4 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272      |     2 |     13 |  2.90%
>  5 | Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous m ... |     1 |     32 |  1.45%
>  6 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) |     1 |     28 |  1.45%
>  7 | MesNews/1.08.06.00           |     1 |     27 |  1.45%
>  8 | Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 20 ... |     1 |     22 |  1.45%
>  9 | Microsoft Windows Live M ... |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24               |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RISC OS/5.29 ... |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)           |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux  ... |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
> 14 | Microsoft Outlook Expres ... |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé) *****
> num| Newsreader         | nb msg | taille    | or. | %
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>  1 | G2                 |    647 | 1,517,203 |  78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Mozilla            |    185 |   579,270 |   4 | 19.21% xx
>  3 | Pan                |     32 |    54,178 |  12 |  3.32%
>  4 | trn                |     28 |    38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>  5 | MesNews            |     27 |    45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>  6 | Alpine             |     22 |    68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>  7 | ForteAgent         |     13 |    28,635 |   5 |  1.35%
>  8 | Microsoft Wind ... |      2 |     5,266 |   1 |  0.21%
>  9 | Hogwasher          |      2 |     6,037 |   0 |  0.21%
> 10 | Pluto              |      2 |     3,167 |   0 |  0.21%
> 11 | slrn               |      2 |     2,269 |   0 |  0.21%
> 12 | Microsoft Outl ... |      1 |     2,046 |   0 |  0.10%
> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé, par utilisateur) *****
> num| Newsreader                  | Util. | nb msg | %
> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>  1 | G2                          |    48 |    647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
>  2 | Mozilla                     |    10 |    185 | 14.49% xx
>  3 | ForteAgent                  |     2 |     13 |  2.90%
>  4 | Pan                         |     1 |     32 |  1.45%
>  5 | trn                         |     1 |     28 |  1.45%
>  6 | MesNews                     |     1 |     27 |  1.45%
>  7 | Alpine                      |     1 |     22 |  1.45%
>  8 | Microsoft Windows Live Mail |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>  9 | Hogwasher                   |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 10 | Pluto                       |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 11 | slrn                        |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
> 12 | Microsoft Outlook Express   |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>
>
> ***** Résumé *****
> Nombre de messages : 963 en 31 jours
> Nouveaux threads : 107
> Nombre de réponses : 856
> Nombre de threads modifiés : 121
> Taille totale : 2351578 octets (2,296.46 ko)
> Nombre de lignes : 9268 lignes
> Nombre de contributeurs : 69
> Nombre de messages moy. par contributeur : 13.96
> Taille de messages moy. par contributeur : 34,080.84 octets (33.28 ko))
> Nombre de lignes moy. par contributeur : 134.32
>

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>
> Behind the stats:
>
> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
> night through Saturday night.

I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
or posting on the internet on Saturdays.

dk

On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>>
>> Behind the stats:
>>
>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
>> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
>> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
>> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
>> night through Saturday night.
>
> I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
> or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
>
> dk

Go and study, my son.

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
> >>
> >> Behind the stats:
> >>
> >> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
> >> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
> >> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
> >> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
> >> night through Saturday night.
> >
> > I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
> > or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
>
> Go and study, my son.

One can study on the internet too -- no?

dk

On 3/31/2022 10:39 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Behind the stats:
>>>>
>>>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
>>>> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
>>>> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
>>>> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
>>>> night through Saturday night.
>>>
>>> I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
>>> or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
>>
>> Go and study, my son.
>
> One can study on the internet too -- no?
>
> dk

Not ideal, but sure.

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:17:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 3/31/2022 10:39 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Behind the stats:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
> >>>> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
> >>>> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
> >>>> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
> >>>> night through Saturday night.
> >>>
> >>> I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
> >>> or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
> >>
> >> Go and study, my son.
> >
> > One can study on the internet too -- no?
>
> Not ideal, but sure.

Why not ideal ?!?

dk

On 4/1/2022 5:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:17:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 3/31/2022 10:39 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Behind the stats:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
>>>>>> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
>>>>>> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
>>>>>> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
>>>>>> night through Saturday night.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
>>>>> or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
>>>>
>>>> Go and study, my son.
>>>
>>> One can study on the internet too -- no?
>>
>> Not ideal, but sure.
>
> Why not ideal ?!?
>
> dk

The traditional preferred method of studying Judaica is in groups or with a study partner.

As to using the internet on the Sabbath, the prohibition is so basic I'm a little surprised at you ignorance or naivity, whatever you want to call it.

The Talmud was complete long before the discovery of electricity, so the Rabbis had some thinking to do. Often halachic rulings are compromises and become law over time. The basic rule on electricity is that you can't turn it on and off during the Sabbath. But if you turn the lights on before the Sabbath starts you can benefit from the light. You can even pre-set a timer for them to go on and off. Og course these rules (any rules?) seem ridiculous to many. Some greet them with contempt, others have respect for traditions even if they themselves to follow them. A basic Sabbath rule is that you cannot complete anything (?), because the whole point is to desist from creative and and destructive activities in emulation of you know who. Turning electricity on completes a circuit and turning it off destroys the circuit, so it is verboten. If you do it with a timer you are not doing itself during the prohibited time.

On 3/31/2022 7:26 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>> Or rec.music.koko-hates-misic
>>
>> Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
>> Stats : du 01/03/2022 au 31/03/2022
>>
>> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
>> num| nom                  | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | Dan Koren            |    290 | 588,394 |  42 | 30.11% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Frank Berger         |    111 | 384,719 |   0 | 11.53% xxx
>>   3 | Andrew Clarke        |     50 | 140,159 |   3 |  5.19% x
>>   4 | HT                   |     40 |  89,994 |   0 |  4.15% x
>>   5 | Andy Evans           |     36 |  78,626 |   6 |  3.74% x
>>   6 | mswd...@gmail.com    |     36 | 114,347 |   1 |  3.74% x
>>   7 | Chris J.             |     32 |  54,178 |  12 |  3.32% x
>>   8 | JohnGavin            |     29 |  62,276 |   6 |  3.01%
>>   9 | Néstor Castiglione   |     29 |  96,099 |   1 |  3.01%
>> 10 | Todd M. McComb       |     28 |  38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>> 11 | MELMOTH              |     27 |  45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>> 12 | raymond....@gmai ... |     25 |  65,619 |   1 |  2.60%
>> 13 | Bob Harper           |     24 |  61,285 |   1 |  2.49%
>> 14 | Al Eisner            |     22 |  68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>> 15 | Owen                 |     17 |  59,472 |   1 |  1.77%
>> 16 | number_six           |     15 |  35,684 |   1 |  1.56%
>> 17 | Ricardo Jimenez      |     11 |  25,704 |   4 |  1.14%
>> 18 | cheregi              |     10 |  30,982 |   2 |  1.04%
>> 19 | John Fowler          |     10 |  24,914 |   2 |  1.04%
>> 20 | Frank Lekens         |     10 |  20,220 |   2 |  1.04%
>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
>> num| nom                  | or. | nb msg | taille  | %
>> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>>   1 | Dan Koren            |  42 |    290 | 588,394 | 39.25% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Chris J.             |  12 |     32 |  54,178 | 11.21% xx
>>   3 | Andy Evans           |   6 |     36 |  78,626 |  5.61% x
>>   4 | JohnGavin            |   6 |     29 |  62,276 |  5.61% x
>>   5 | MELMOTH              |   6 |     27 |  45,606 |  5.61% x
>>   6 | Ricardo Jimenez      |   4 |     11 |  25,704 |  3.74%
>>   7 | Andrew Clarke        |   3 |     50 | 140,159 |  2.80%
>>   8 | cheregi              |   2 |     10 |  30,982 |  1.87%
>>   9 | John Fowler          |   2 |     10 |  24,914 |  1.87%
>> 10 | Frank Lekens         |   2 |     10 |  20,220 |  1.87%
>> 11 | Kerrison             |   2 |      3 |   9,443 |  1.87%
>> 12 | mswd...@gmail.com    |   1 |     36 | 114,347 |  0.93%
>> 13 | Néstor Castiglione   |   1 |     29 |  96,099 |  0.93%
>> 14 | raymond....@gmai ... |   1 |     25 |  65,619 |  0.93%
>> 15 | Bob Harper           |   1 |     24 |  61,285 |  0.93%
>> 16 | Al Eisner            |   1 |     22 |  68,978 |  0.93%
>> 17 | Owen                 |   1 |     17 |  59,472 |  0.93%
>> 18 | number_six           |   1 |     15 |  35,684 |  0.93%
>> 19 | sci.space            |   1 |      5 |  10,868 |  0.93%
>> 20 | Paul A               |   1 |      5 |  10,653 |  0.93%
>> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
>> num| nom                  | taille  | nb msg | or. | %
>> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | Dan Koren            | 588,394 |    290 |  42 | 25.02% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Frank Berger         | 384,719 |    111 |   0 | 16.36% xxxxxx
>>   3 | Andrew Clarke        | 140,159 |     50 |   3 |  5.96% xx
>>   4 | mswd...@gmail.com    | 114,347 |     36 |   1 |  4.86% x
>>   5 | Néstor Castiglione   |  96,099 |     29 |   1 |  4.09% x
>>   6 | HT                   |  89,994 |     40 |   0 |  3.83% x
>>   7 | Andy Evans           |  78,626 |     36 |   6 |  3.34% x
>>   8 | Al Eisner            |  68,978 |     22 |   1 |  2.93% x
>>   9 | raymond....@gmai ... |  65,619 |     25 |   1 |  2.79% x
>> 10 | JohnGavin            |  62,276 |     29 |   6 |  2.65% x
>> 11 | Bob Harper           |  61,285 |     24 |   1 |  2.61% x
>> 12 | Owen                 |  59,472 |     17 |   1 |  2.53% x
>> 13 | Chris J.             |  54,178 |     32 |  12 |  2.30%
>> 14 | MELMOTH              |  45,606 |     27 |   6 |  1.94%
>> 15 | Todd M. McComb       |  38,923 |     28 |   0 |  1.66%
>> 16 | number_six           |  35,684 |     15 |   1 |  1.52%
>> 17 | cheregi              |  30,982 |     10 |   2 |  1.32%
>> 18 | ronl                 |  28,752 |      8 |   0 |  1.22%
>> 19 | Ricardo Jimenez      |  25,704 |     11 |   4 |  1.09%
>> 20 | John Fowler          |  24,914 |     10 |   2 |  1.06%
>> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
>> num| date       | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | 02/03/2022 |     87 | 256,601 |   7 |  9.03% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | 01/03/2022 |     77 | 218,443 |   6 |  8.00% xxxxxxxx
>>   3 | 07/03/2022 |     61 | 154,923 |   6 |  6.33% xxxxxxx
>>   4 | 20/03/2022 |     43 | 111,485 |   3 |  4.47% xxxx
>>   5 | 25/03/2022 |     41 |  80,551 |   3 |  4.26% xxxx
>>   6 | 24/03/2022 |     40 |  83,196 |   8 |  4.15% xxxx
>>   7 | 29/03/2022 |     40 | 109,348 |   3 |  4.15% xxxx
>>   8 | 06/03/2022 |     37 |  88,891 |   1 |  3.84% xxxx
>>   9 | 08/03/2022 |     36 |  77,114 |   5 |  3.74% xxxx
>> 10 | 12/03/2022 |     35 |  61,114 |   6 |  3.63% xxxx
>> 11 | 14/03/2022 |     35 |  83,140 |   5 |  3.63% xxxx
>> 12 | 13/03/2022 |     34 |  82,163 |   4 |  3.53% xxx
>> 13 | 30/03/2022 |     31 |  88,940 |   2 |  3.22% xxx
>> 14 | 23/03/2022 |     30 |  72,516 |   5 |  3.12% xxx
>> 15 | 31/03/2022 |     28 |  87,871 |   5 |  2.91% xxx
>> 16 | 19/03/2022 |     28 |  60,777 |   5 |  2.91% xxx
>> 17 | 18/03/2022 |     28 |  67,923 |   1 |  2.91% xxx
>> 18 | 17/03/2022 |     27 |  52,154 |   4 |  2.80% xxx
>> 19 | 11/03/2022 |     26 |  68,076 |   4 |  2.70% xx
>> 20 | 04/03/2022 |     21 |  45,237 |   3 |  2.18% xx
>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
>> num| date       | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | Mardi      |    180 | 470,089 |  15 | 18.69% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Mercredi   |    173 | 462,768 |  18 | 17.96% xxxxxxxxx
>>   3 | Jeudi      |    133 | 320,342 |  21 | 13.81% xxxxxxx
>>   4 | Dimanche   |    132 | 320,795 |   9 | 13.71% xxxxxxx
>>   5 | Lundi      |    130 | 317,642 |  14 | 13.50% xxxxxxx
>>   6 | Vendredi   |    116 | 261,787 |  11 | 12.05% xxxxxx
>>   7 | Samedi     |     99 | 198,155 |  19 | 10.28% xxxxx
>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Sujet avec le plus de réponses *****
>> num| sujet                | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | WAR...               |     76 | 244,685 |   0 |  7.89% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | They're from Big ... |     65 | 178,062 |   1 |  6.75% xxxxxxxx
>>   3 | You Came A Long  ... |     48 | 164,139 |   1 |  4.98% xxxxxx
>>   4 | OT: Lecture on U ... |     37 |  96,455 |   1 |  3.84% xxxx
>>   5 | Valery Gergiev F ... |     34 | 105,366 |   1 |  3.53% xxxx
>>   6 | What Happened to ... |     27 |  69,100 |   1 |  2.80% xxx
>>   7 | WAYLTL - March, 2022 |     26 |  45,335 |   1 |  2.70% xxx
>>   8 | What Does The Mi ... |     25 |  61,277 |   1 |  2.60% xxx
>>   9 | Rachmaninov PC#1 ... |     24 |  58,258 |   1 |  2.49% xxx
>> 10 | For MELMOTH ......   |     24 |  39,875 |   1 |  2.49% xxx
>> 11 | Hyperion CD-R??      |     23 | 110,843 |   0 |  2.39% xxx
>> 12 | OT: Slapping our ... |     21 |  46,531 |   1 |  2.18% xx
>> 13 | Brahms Sextets       |     20 |  32,794 |   1 |  2.08% xx
>> 14 | Setar / Dastgahi ... |     19 |  45,400 |   1 |  1.97% xx
>> 15 | CSO performance  ... |     18 |  60,865 |   1 |  1.87% xx
>> 16 | Too many pianist ... |     18 |  32,628 |   1 |  1.87% xx
>> 17 | Gergiev welcome  ... |     16 |  49,464 |   1 |  1.66% xx
>> 18 | Iberia               |     16 |  35,193 |   1 |  1.66% xx
>> 19 | Re: 11-year Anni ... |     15 |  39,474 |   1 |  1.56% x
>> 20 | Semyon Bychkov's ... |     15 |  32,778 |   1 |  1.56% x
>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés *****
>> num| Newsreader         | nb msg | taille    | or. | %
>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | G2/1.0             |    647 | 1,517,203 |  78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... |    138 |   447,086 |   2 | 14.33% xx
>>   3 | Mozilla/5.0 (M ... |     46 |   128,786 |   2 |  4.78%
>>   4 | Pan/0.145 (Dup ... |     32 |    54,178 |  12 |  3.32%
>>   5 | trn 4.0-test77 ... |     28 |    38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>>   6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 |     27 |    45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>>   7 | Alpine 2.00 (L ... |     22 |    68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>>   8 | ForteAgent/8.0 ... |     13 |    28,635 |   5 |  1.35%
>>   9 | Microsoft Wind ... |      2 |     5,266 |   1 |  0.21%
>> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24     |      2 |     6,037 |   0 |  0.21%
>> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RI ... |      2 |     3,167 |   0 |  0.21%
>> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) |      2 |     2,269 |   0 |  0.21%
>> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X ... |      1 |     3,398 |   0 |  0.10%
>> 14 | Microsoft Outl ... |      1 |     2,046 |   0 |  0.10%
>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (utilisateur distinct) *****
>> num| Newsreader                   | Util. | nb msg | %
>> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>   1 | G2/1.0                       |    48 |    647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT  ... |     6 |    138 |  8.70% x
>>   3 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh;  ... |     3 |     46 |  4.35%
>>   4 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272      |     2 |     13 |  2.90%
>>   5 | Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous m ... |     1 |     32 |  1.45%
>>   6 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) |     1 |     28 |  1.45%
>>   7 | MesNews/1.08.06.00           |     1 |     27 |  1.45%
>>   8 | Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 20 ... |     1 |     22 |  1.45%
>>   9 | Microsoft Windows Live M ... |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24               |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RISC OS/5.29 ... |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)           |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux  ... |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
>> 14 | Microsoft Outlook Expres ... |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
>> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé) *****
>> num| Newsreader         | nb msg | taille    | or. | %
>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>   1 | G2                 |    647 | 1,517,203 |  78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Mozilla            |    185 |   579,270 |   4 | 19.21% xx
>>   3 | Pan                |     32 |    54,178 |  12 |  3.32%
>>   4 | trn                |     28 |    38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>>   5 | MesNews            |     27 |    45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>>   6 | Alpine             |     22 |    68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>>   7 | ForteAgent         |     13 |    28,635 |   5 |  1.35%
>>   8 | Microsoft Wind ... |      2 |     5,266 |   1 |  0.21%
>>   9 | Hogwasher          |      2 |     6,037 |   0 |  0.21%
>> 10 | Pluto              |      2 |     3,167 |   0 |  0.21%
>> 11 | slrn               |      2 |     2,269 |   0 |  0.21%
>> 12 | Microsoft Outl ... |      1 |     2,046 |   0 |  0.10%
>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé, par utilisateur) *****
>> num| Newsreader                  | Util. | nb msg | %
>> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>   1 | G2                          |    48 |    647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
>>   2 | Mozilla                     |    10 |    185 | 14.49% xx
>>   3 | ForteAgent                  |     2 |     13 |  2.90%
>>   4 | Pan                         |     1 |     32 |  1.45%
>>   5 | trn                         |     1 |     28 |  1.45%
>>   6 | MesNews                     |     1 |     27 |  1.45%
>>   7 | Alpine                      |     1 |     22 |  1.45%
>>   8 | Microsoft Windows Live Mail |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>   9 | Hogwasher                   |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 10 | Pluto                       |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 11 | slrn                        |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>> 12 | Microsoft Outlook Express   |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
>> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>
>>
>> ***** Résumé *****
>> Nombre de messages : 963 en 31 jours
>> Nouveaux threads : 107
>> Nombre de réponses : 856
>> Nombre de threads modifiés : 121
>> Taille totale : 2351578 octets (2,296.46 ko)
>> Nombre de lignes : 9268 lignes
>> Nombre de contributeurs : 69
>> Nombre de messages moy. par contributeur : 13.96
>> Taille de messages moy. par contributeur : 34,080.84 octets (33.28 ko))
>> Nombre de lignes moy. par contributeur : 134.32
>>
>
>
> Behind the stats:
>
> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of posts, but do not
> appear in the list of threads started.  No doubt Saturday has the fewest
> posts and Friday the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
> night through Saturday night.
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmULYr1nsZ0

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:27:56 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/1/2022 5:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:17:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 3/31/2022 10:39 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Behind the stats:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
> >>>>>> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
> >>>>>> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
> >>>>>> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
> >>>>>> night through Saturday night.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
> >>>>> or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
> >>>>
> >>>> Go and study, my son.
> >>>
> >>> One can study on the internet too -- no?
> >>
> >> Not ideal, but sure.
> >
> > Why not ideal ?!?
>
> The traditional preferred method of studying
> Judaica is in groups or with a study partner.

Tradition went out the window a long time ago.

> As to using the internet on the Sabbath, the
> prohibition is so basic I'm a little surprised at
> you ignorance or naivity, whatever you want to
> call it.

I am equally surprised at your ignorance or naïveté.
The internet has only been around for 30 or so years.

> The Talmud was complete long before the discovery
> of electricity, so the Rabbis had some thinking to do.

I am perfectly capable of thinking without any help
from Rabbis or anyone else.

> Often halachic rulings are compromises and become
> law over time. The basic rule on electricity is that you
> can't turn it on and off during the Sabbath. But if you
> turn the lights on before the Sabbath starts you can
> benefit from the light. You can even pre-set a timer
> for them to go on and off. Turning electricity on
> completes a circuit and turning it off destroys the
> circuit, so it is verboten. If you do it with a timer you
> are not doing itself during the prohibited time.

You just refuted your own theory. We don't turn the
internet on or off. We don't turn electricty on or off.
We don't turn computers on or off. All our tech gear
is on all the time. We use uninterruptible power
supplies, generators and energy storage batteries.
All the light switches are light activated.

What do your Rabbies think about having robots
work on weekends ?!?

dk

On 4/1/2022 10:19 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 3/31/2022 7:26 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>>> Or rec.music.koko-hates-misic
>>>
>>> Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
>>> Stats : du 01/03/2022 au 31/03/2022
>>>
>>> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
>>> num| nom                  | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | Dan Koren            |    290 | 588,394 |  42 | 30.11% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Frank Berger         |    111 | 384,719 |   0 | 11.53% xxx
>>>   3 | Andrew Clarke        |     50 | 140,159 |   3 |  5.19% x
>>>   4 | HT                   |     40 |  89,994 |   0 |  4.15% x
>>>   5 | Andy Evans           |     36 |  78,626 |   6 |  3.74% x
>>>   6 | mswd...@gmail.com    |     36 | 114,347 |   1 |  3.74% x
>>>   7 | Chris J.             |     32 |  54,178 |  12 |  3.32% x
>>>   8 | JohnGavin            |     29 |  62,276 |   6 |  3.01%
>>>   9 | Néstor Castiglione   |     29 |  96,099 |   1 |  3.01%
>>> 10 | Todd M. McComb       |     28 |  38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>>> 11 | MELMOTH              |     27 |  45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>>> 12 | raymond....@gmai ... |     25 |  65,619 |   1 |  2.60%
>>> 13 | Bob Harper           |     24 |  61,285 |   1 |  2.49%
>>> 14 | Al Eisner            |     22 |  68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>>> 15 | Owen                 |     17 |  59,472 |   1 |  1.77%
>>> 16 | number_six           |     15 |  35,684 |   1 |  1.56%
>>> 17 | Ricardo Jimenez      |     11 |  25,704 |   4 |  1.14%
>>> 18 | cheregi              |     10 |  30,982 |   2 |  1.04%
>>> 19 | John Fowler          |     10 |  24,914 |   2 |  1.04%
>>> 20 | Frank Lekens         |     10 |  20,220 |   2 |  1.04%
>>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
>>> num| nom                  | or. | nb msg | taille  | %
>>> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>>>   1 | Dan Koren            |  42 |    290 | 588,394 | 39.25% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Chris J.             |  12 |     32 |  54,178 | 11.21% xx
>>>   3 | Andy Evans           |   6 |     36 |  78,626 |  5.61% x
>>>   4 | JohnGavin            |   6 |     29 |  62,276 |  5.61% x
>>>   5 | MELMOTH              |   6 |     27 |  45,606 |  5.61% x
>>>   6 | Ricardo Jimenez      |   4 |     11 |  25,704 |  3.74%
>>>   7 | Andrew Clarke        |   3 |     50 | 140,159 |  2.80%
>>>   8 | cheregi              |   2 |     10 |  30,982 |  1.87%
>>>   9 | John Fowler          |   2 |     10 |  24,914 |  1.87%
>>> 10 | Frank Lekens         |   2 |     10 |  20,220 |  1.87%
>>> 11 | Kerrison             |   2 |      3 |   9,443 |  1.87%
>>> 12 | mswd...@gmail.com    |   1 |     36 | 114,347 |  0.93%
>>> 13 | Néstor Castiglione   |   1 |     29 |  96,099 |  0.93%
>>> 14 | raymond....@gmai ... |   1 |     25 |  65,619 |  0.93%
>>> 15 | Bob Harper           |   1 |     24 |  61,285 |  0.93%
>>> 16 | Al Eisner            |   1 |     22 |  68,978 |  0.93%
>>> 17 | Owen                 |   1 |     17 |  59,472 |  0.93%
>>> 18 | number_six           |   1 |     15 |  35,684 |  0.93%
>>> 19 | sci.space            |   1 |      5 |  10,868 |  0.93%
>>> 20 | Paul A               |   1 |      5 |  10,653 |  0.93%
>>> ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
>>> num| nom                  | taille  | nb msg | or. | %
>>> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | Dan Koren            | 588,394 |    290 |  42 | 25.02% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Frank Berger         | 384,719 |    111 |   0 | 16.36% xxxxxx
>>>   3 | Andrew Clarke        | 140,159 |     50 |   3 |  5.96% xx
>>>   4 | mswd...@gmail.com    | 114,347 |     36 |   1 |  4.86% x
>>>   5 | Néstor Castiglione   |  96,099 |     29 |   1 |  4.09% x
>>>   6 | HT                   |  89,994 |     40 |   0 |  3.83% x
>>>   7 | Andy Evans           |  78,626 |     36 |   6 |  3.34% x
>>>   8 | Al Eisner            |  68,978 |     22 |   1 |  2.93% x
>>>   9 | raymond....@gmai ... |  65,619 |     25 |   1 |  2.79% x
>>> 10 | JohnGavin            |  62,276 |     29 |   6 |  2.65% x
>>> 11 | Bob Harper           |  61,285 |     24 |   1 |  2.61% x
>>> 12 | Owen                 |  59,472 |     17 |   1 |  2.53% x
>>> 13 | Chris J.             |  54,178 |     32 |  12 |  2.30%
>>> 14 | MELMOTH              |  45,606 |     27 |   6 |  1.94%
>>> 15 | Todd M. McComb       |  38,923 |     28 |   0 |  1.66%
>>> 16 | number_six           |  35,684 |     15 |   1 |  1.52%
>>> 17 | cheregi              |  30,982 |     10 |   2 |  1.32%
>>> 18 | ronl                 |  28,752 |      8 |   0 |  1.22%
>>> 19 | Ricardo Jimenez      |  25,704 |     11 |   4 |  1.09%
>>> 20 | John Fowler          |  24,914 |     10 |   2 |  1.06%
>>> ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
>>> num| date       | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | 02/03/2022 |     87 | 256,601 |   7 |  9.03% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | 01/03/2022 |     77 | 218,443 |   6 |  8.00% xxxxxxxx
>>>   3 | 07/03/2022 |     61 | 154,923 |   6 |  6.33% xxxxxxx
>>>   4 | 20/03/2022 |     43 | 111,485 |   3 |  4.47% xxxx
>>>   5 | 25/03/2022 |     41 |  80,551 |   3 |  4.26% xxxx
>>>   6 | 24/03/2022 |     40 |  83,196 |   8 |  4.15% xxxx
>>>   7 | 29/03/2022 |     40 | 109,348 |   3 |  4.15% xxxx
>>>   8 | 06/03/2022 |     37 |  88,891 |   1 |  3.84% xxxx
>>>   9 | 08/03/2022 |     36 |  77,114 |   5 |  3.74% xxxx
>>> 10 | 12/03/2022 |     35 |  61,114 |   6 |  3.63% xxxx
>>> 11 | 14/03/2022 |     35 |  83,140 |   5 |  3.63% xxxx
>>> 12 | 13/03/2022 |     34 |  82,163 |   4 |  3.53% xxx
>>> 13 | 30/03/2022 |     31 |  88,940 |   2 |  3.22% xxx
>>> 14 | 23/03/2022 |     30 |  72,516 |   5 |  3.12% xxx
>>> 15 | 31/03/2022 |     28 |  87,871 |   5 |  2.91% xxx
>>> 16 | 19/03/2022 |     28 |  60,777 |   5 |  2.91% xxx
>>> 17 | 18/03/2022 |     28 |  67,923 |   1 |  2.91% xxx
>>> 18 | 17/03/2022 |     27 |  52,154 |   4 |  2.80% xxx
>>> 19 | 11/03/2022 |     26 |  68,076 |   4 |  2.70% xx
>>> 20 | 04/03/2022 |     21 |  45,237 |   3 |  2.18% xx
>>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Meilleurs jours *****
>>> num| date       | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | Mardi      |    180 | 470,089 |  15 | 18.69% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Mercredi   |    173 | 462,768 |  18 | 17.96% xxxxxxxxx
>>>   3 | Jeudi      |    133 | 320,342 |  21 | 13.81% xxxxxxx
>>>   4 | Dimanche   |    132 | 320,795 |   9 | 13.71% xxxxxxx
>>>   5 | Lundi      |    130 | 317,642 |  14 | 13.50% xxxxxxx
>>>   6 | Vendredi   |    116 | 261,787 |  11 | 12.05% xxxxxx
>>>   7 | Samedi     |     99 | 198,155 |  19 | 10.28% xxxxx
>>> ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Sujet avec le plus de réponses *****
>>> num| sujet                | nb msg | taille  | or. | %
>>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | WAR...               |     76 | 244,685 |   0 |  7.89% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | They're from Big ... |     65 | 178,062 |   1 |  6.75% xxxxxxxx
>>>   3 | You Came A Long  ... |     48 | 164,139 |   1 |  4.98% xxxxxx
>>>   4 | OT: Lecture on U ... |     37 |  96,455 |   1 |  3.84% xxxx
>>>   5 | Valery Gergiev F ... |     34 | 105,366 |   1 |  3.53% xxxx
>>>   6 | What Happened to ... |     27 |  69,100 |   1 |  2.80% xxx
>>>   7 | WAYLTL - March, 2022 |     26 |  45,335 |   1 |  2.70% xxx
>>>   8 | What Does The Mi ... |     25 |  61,277 |   1 |  2.60% xxx
>>>   9 | Rachmaninov PC#1 ... |     24 |  58,258 |   1 |  2.49% xxx
>>> 10 | For MELMOTH ......   |     24 |  39,875 |   1 |  2.49% xxx
>>> 11 | Hyperion CD-R??      |     23 | 110,843 |   0 |  2.39% xxx
>>> 12 | OT: Slapping our ... |     21 |  46,531 |   1 |  2.18% xx
>>> 13 | Brahms Sextets       |     20 |  32,794 |   1 |  2.08% xx
>>> 14 | Setar / Dastgahi ... |     19 |  45,400 |   1 |  1.97% xx
>>> 15 | CSO performance  ... |     18 |  60,865 |   1 |  1.87% xx
>>> 16 | Too many pianist ... |     18 |  32,628 |   1 |  1.87% xx
>>> 17 | Gergiev welcome  ... |     16 |  49,464 |   1 |  1.66% xx
>>> 18 | Iberia               |     16 |  35,193 |   1 |  1.66% xx
>>> 19 | Re: 11-year Anni ... |     15 |  39,474 |   1 |  1.56% x
>>> 20 | Semyon Bychkov's ... |     15 |  32,778 |   1 |  1.56% x
>>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés *****
>>> num| Newsreader         | nb msg | taille    | or. | %
>>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | G2/1.0             |    647 | 1,517,203 |  78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... |    138 |   447,086 |   2 | 14.33% xx
>>>   3 | Mozilla/5.0 (M ... |     46 |   128,786 |   2 |  4.78%
>>>   4 | Pan/0.145 (Dup ... |     32 |    54,178 |  12 |  3.32%
>>>   5 | trn 4.0-test77 ... |     28 |    38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>>>   6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 |     27 |    45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>>>   7 | Alpine 2.00 (L ... |     22 |    68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>>>   8 | ForteAgent/8.0 ... |     13 |    28,635 |   5 |  1.35%
>>>   9 | Microsoft Wind ... |      2 |     5,266 |   1 |  0.21%
>>> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24     |      2 |     6,037 |   0 |  0.21%
>>> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RI ... |      2 |     3,167 |   0 |  0.21%
>>> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) |      2 |     2,269 |   0 |  0.21%
>>> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X ... |      1 |     3,398 |   0 |  0.10%
>>> 14 | Microsoft Outl ... |      1 |     2,046 |   0 |  0.10%
>>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (utilisateur distinct) *****
>>> num| Newsreader                   | Util. | nb msg | %
>>> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>>   1 | G2/1.0                       |    48 |    647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT  ... |     6 |    138 |  8.70% x
>>>   3 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh;  ... |     3 |     46 |  4.35%
>>>   4 | ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272      |     2 |     13 |  2.90%
>>>   5 | Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous m ... |     1 |     32 |  1.45%
>>>   6 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) |     1 |     28 |  1.45%
>>>   7 | MesNews/1.08.06.00           |     1 |     27 |  1.45%
>>>   8 | Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 20 ... |     1 |     22 |  1.45%
>>>   9 | Microsoft Windows Live M ... |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 10 | Hogwasher/5.24               |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 11 | Pluto/3.16 (RISC OS/5.29 ... |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 12 | slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)           |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 13 | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux  ... |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
>>> 14 | Microsoft Outlook Expres ... |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
>>> ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé) *****
>>> num| Newsreader         | nb msg | taille    | or. | %
>>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>>   1 | G2                 |    647 | 1,517,203 |  78 | 67.19% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Mozilla            |    185 |   579,270 |   4 | 19.21% xx
>>>   3 | Pan                |     32 |    54,178 |  12 |  3.32%
>>>   4 | trn                |     28 |    38,923 |   0 |  2.91%
>>>   5 | MesNews            |     27 |    45,606 |   6 |  2.80%
>>>   6 | Alpine             |     22 |    68,978 |   1 |  2.28%
>>>   7 | ForteAgent         |     13 |    28,635 |   5 |  1.35%
>>>   8 | Microsoft Wind ... |      2 |     5,266 |   1 |  0.21%
>>>   9 | Hogwasher          |      2 |     6,037 |   0 |  0.21%
>>> 10 | Pluto              |      2 |     3,167 |   0 |  0.21%
>>> 11 | slrn               |      2 |     2,269 |   0 |  0.21%
>>> 12 | Microsoft Outl ... |      1 |     2,046 |   0 |  0.10%
>>> ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé, par utilisateur) *****
>>> num| Newsreader                  | Util. | nb msg | %
>>> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>>   1 | G2                          |    48 |    647 | 69.57% xxxxxxxxxx
>>>   2 | Mozilla                     |    10 |    185 | 14.49% xx
>>>   3 | ForteAgent                  |     2 |     13 |  2.90%
>>>   4 | Pan                         |     1 |     32 |  1.45%
>>>   5 | trn                         |     1 |     28 |  1.45%
>>>   6 | MesNews                     |     1 |     27 |  1.45%
>>>   7 | Alpine                      |     1 |     22 |  1.45%
>>>   8 | Microsoft Windows Live Mail |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>>   9 | Hogwasher                   |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 10 | Pluto                       |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 11 | slrn                        |     1 |      2 |  1.45%
>>> 12 | Microsoft Outlook Express   |     1 |      1 |  1.45%
>>> ----|-----------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** Résumé *****
>>> Nombre de messages : 963 en 31 jours
>>> Nouveaux threads : 107
>>> Nombre de réponses : 856
>>> Nombre de threads modifiés : 121
>>> Taille totale : 2351578 octets (2,296.46 ko)
>>> Nombre de lignes : 9268 lignes
>>> Nombre de contributeurs : 69
>>> Nombre de messages moy. par contributeur : 13.96
>>> Taille de messages moy. par contributeur : 34,080.84 octets (33.28 ko))
>>> Nombre de lignes moy. par contributeur : 134.32
>>>
>>
>>
>> Behind the stats:
>>
>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.  No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday the second fewest because I don't post from Friday night through Saturday night.
>>
>>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmULYr1nsZ0
>

On 4/1/2022 10:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:27:56 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 4/1/2022 5:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:17:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 3/31/2022 10:39 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/31/2022 8:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/31/2022 6:11 PM, MELMOTH wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Behind the stats:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am the second leading poster in terms of number of
>>>>>>>> posts, but do not appear in the list of threads started.
>>>>>>>> No doubt Saturday has the fewest posts and Friday
>>>>>>>> the second fewest because I don't post from Friday
>>>>>>>> night through Saturday night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't recall any Talmudic prohibition against surfing
>>>>>>> or posting on the internet on Saturdays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go and study, my son.
>>>>>
>>>>> One can study on the internet too -- no?
>>>>
>>>> Not ideal, but sure.
>>>
>>> Why not ideal ?!?
>>
>> The traditional preferred method of studying
>> Judaica is in groups or with a study partner.
>
> Tradition went out the window a long time ago.
>
>> As to using the internet on the Sabbath, the
>> prohibition is so basic I'm a little surprised at
>> you ignorance or naivity, whatever you want to
>> call it.
>
> I am equally surprised at your ignorance or naïveté.
> The internet has only been around for 30 or so years.
>
>> The Talmud was complete long before the discovery
>> of electricity, so the Rabbis had some thinking to do.
>
> I am perfectly capable of thinking without any help
> from Rabbis or anyone else.
>
>> Often halachic rulings are compromises and become
>> law over time. The basic rule on electricity is that you
>> can't turn it on and off during the Sabbath. But if you
>> turn the lights on before the Sabbath starts you can
>> benefit from the light. You can even pre-set a timer
>> for them to go on and off. Turning electricity on
>> completes a circuit and turning it off destroys the
>> circuit, so it is verboten. If you do it with a timer you
>> are not doing itself during the prohibited time.
>
> You just refuted your own theory. We don't turn the
> internet on or off. We don't turn electricty on or off.
> We don't turn computers on or off. All our tech gear
> is on all the time. We use uninterruptible power
> supplies, generators and energy storage batteries.
> All the light switches are light activated.
>
> What do your Rabbies think about having robots
> work on weekends ?!?
>
> dk

I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to the discussion I thought I was involved in.

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/1/2022 10:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > You just refuted your own theory. We don't turn the
> > internet on or off. We don't turn electricty on or off.
> > We don't turn computers on or off. All our tech gear
> > is on all the time. We use uninterruptible power
> > supplies, generators and energy storage batteries.
> > All the light switches are light activated.
> >
> > What do your Rabbies think about having robots
> > work on weekends ?!?
>
> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
> the discussion I thought I was involved in.

We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
a matter of interpretation.

dk

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:54:25 PM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 4/1/2022 10:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >
> > > You just refuted your own theory. We don't turn the
> > > internet on or off. We don't turn electricty on or off.
> > > We don't turn computers on or off. All our tech gear
> > > is on all the time. We use uninterruptible power
> > > supplies, generators and energy storage batteries.
> > > All the light switches are light activated.
> > >
> > > What do your Rabbies think about having robots
> > > work on weekends ?!?
> >
> > I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
> > descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
> > you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
> > you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
> > the discussion I thought I was involved in.
> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
> a matter of interpretation.
>
> dk

"You've had two f****n' weeks to decide if you want a f****n' beard, or a job. This isn't the goddam House of David f****n' baseball team this is the Buddy Rich Band."

- Buddy Rich, on the band bus, to Australian trombonist and composer Dave Panichi, who went on to better things.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 4/1/2022 10:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>
>>> You just refuted your own theory. We don't turn the
>>> internet on or off. We don't turn electricty on or off.
>>> We don't turn computers on or off. All our tech gear
>>> is on all the time. We use uninterruptible power
>>> supplies, generators and energy storage batteries.
>>> All the light switches are light activated.
>>>
>>> What do your Rabbies think about having robots
>>> work on weekends ?!?
>>
>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
>
> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
> a matter of interpretation.
>
> dk

You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated to keep the laws. There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example. The more one knows the more serious such violations are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins. Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk. My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.

On 4/3/2022 7:58 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:54:25 PM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>> On 4/1/2022 10:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You just refuted your own theory. We don't turn the
>>>> internet on or off. We don't turn electricty on or off.
>>>> We don't turn computers on or off. All our tech gear
>>>> is on all the time. We use uninterruptible power
>>>> supplies, generators and energy storage batteries.
>>>> All the light switches are light activated.
>>>>
>>>> What do your Rabbies think about having robots
>>>> work on weekends ?!?
>>>
>>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
>>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
>>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
>>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
>>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
>> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
>> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
>> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
>> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
>> a matter of interpretation.
>>
>> dk
>
> "You've had two f****n' weeks to decide if you want a f****n' beard, or a job. This isn't the goddam House of David f****n' baseball team this is the Buddy Rich Band."
>
> - Buddy Rich, on the band bus, to Australian trombonist and composer Dave Panichi, who went on to better things.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Like I said, all groups have rules and you join any group that will have you.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>
> >> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
> >> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
> >> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
> >> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
> >> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
> >
> > We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
> > Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
> > was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
> > accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
> > a matter of interpretation.
>
> You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox
> Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated
> to keep the laws.

There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
I am concerned.

> There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the
> laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't
> observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example.
> The more one knows the more serious such violations
> are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins.
> Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get
> what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying
> you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk.
> My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own
> personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.

Thanks! I feel so much relieved. Otherwise, surfing
the internet on Sabbath is no different than leaving
the lights on, or using Sabbath elevators. Some
synagogues actually held Zoom services during
lockdowns. How is that different from Dan Koren
surfing the net or using Zoom on Sabbath?

dk

On 4/3/2022 6:59 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
>>>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
>>>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
>>>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
>>>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
>>>
>>> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
>>> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
>>> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
>>> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
>>> a matter of interpretation.
>>
>> You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox
>> Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated
>> to keep the laws.
>
> There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
> A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
> hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
> I am concerned.
>

There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism. Why is that so hard to understand?

>> There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the
>> laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't
>> observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example.
>> The more one knows the more serious such violations
>> are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins.
>> Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get
>> what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying
>> you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk.
>> My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own
>> personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.
>
> Thanks! I feel so much relieved. Otherwise, surfing
> the internet on Sabbath is no different than leaving
> the lights on, or using Sabbath elevators. Some
> synagogues actually held Zoom services during
> lockdowns.

No orthodox synagogues did.

How is that different from Dan Koren
> surfing the net or using Zoom on Sabbath?
>

Pretending you really want to know. When you press a key on your keyboard, a connection of some sort is made. That is considered a completion, i.e. a creative activity. It is forbidden on the Sabbath. Period. I know you think that's nuts and that you don't give a hoot about the several thousand years of Rabbinic analysis and ruling that led to this (uncontested by any Rabbi that calls himself Orthodox) religious law, but this isn't about you, you, you.

> dk

You are one of the most self-centered people I've ever encountered.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:57:58 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/3/2022 6:59 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
> >>>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
> >>>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
> >>>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
> >>>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
> >>>
> >>> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
> >>> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
> >>> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
> >>> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
> >>> a matter of interpretation.
> >>
> >> You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox
> >> Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated
> >> to keep the laws.
> >
> > There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
> > A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
> > hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
> > I am concerned.
> >
> There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism. Why is that so hard to understand?
> >> There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the
> >> laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't
> >> observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example.
> >> The more one knows the more serious such violations
> >> are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins.
> >> Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get
> >> what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying
> >> you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk.
> >> My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own
> >> personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.
> >
> > Thanks! I feel so much relieved. Otherwise, surfing
> > the internet on Sabbath is no different than leaving
> > the lights on, or using Sabbath elevators. Some
> > synagogues actually held Zoom services during
> > lockdowns.
>
> No orthodox synagogues did.

As we all know, not all synagogues are Orthodox.
The time is long overdue to call your bluff that
only Orthodox Judaism is true Judaism. And I
have reason to believe some Orthodox groups
actually used Zoom on Sabbath, judging from
information coming from relatives in Israel.

> > How is that different from Dan Koren surfing the
> > net or using Zoom on Sabbath?
>
> Pretending you really want to know.

Not pretending anything. I asked you to present a
logical argument as to why it is OK for you to use
a Sabbath elevator or leave a warm plate on, while
at the same time it is not OK for me or anyone else
to keep surfing the internet. As you know, no one
turns the internet off or on Friday night or the next
evening.

It is a simple, logical, straightforward question that
you keep trying to talk around.

> When you press a key on your keyboard, a connection
> of some sort is made. That is considered a completion,
> i.e. a creative activity. It is forbidden on the Sabbath.

This is a grotesque analogy. There is no "completion" of
any activity by surfing the internet. Are you also stating
one is not allowed to write or play the piano on weekends?

> Period.

Nope. You only get a semi-colon for such a twisted argument.

> I know you think that's nuts and that you don't give a hoot
> about the several thousand years of Rabbinic analysis

How can there be thousands of years of Rabbinic analysis of
situations that only materialized during the last 3 decades?

> and ruling that led to this (uncontested by any Rabbi that calls
> himself Orthodox) religious law, but this isn't about you, you, you.

As pointed out earlier, there are other branches of Judaism
than the Orthodox. Your "argument" sounds very much like
a Catholic denying Protestants are Christian too.

dk

On 4/3/2022 8:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:57:58 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 4/3/2022 6:59 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
>>>>>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
>>>>>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
>>>>>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
>>>>>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
>>>>>
>>>>> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
>>>>> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
>>>>> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
>>>>> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
>>>>> a matter of interpretation.
>>>>
>>>> You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox
>>>> Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated
>>>> to keep the laws.
>>>
>>> There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
>>> A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
>>> hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
>>> I am concerned.
>>>
>> There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism. Why is that so hard to understand?
>>>> There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the
>>>> laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't
>>>> observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example.
>>>> The more one knows the more serious such violations
>>>> are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins.
>>>> Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get
>>>> what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying
>>>> you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk.
>>>> My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own
>>>> personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.
>>>
>>> Thanks! I feel so much relieved. Otherwise, surfing
>>> the internet on Sabbath is no different than leaving
>>> the lights on, or using Sabbath elevators. Some
>>> synagogues actually held Zoom services during
>>> lockdowns.
>>
>> No orthodox synagogues did.
>
> As we all know, not all synagogues are Orthodox.

We were talking about orthodoxy. What Conservative, Reform or Reconstructionist Judaism believe or do is another matter.

> The time is long overdue to call your bluff that
> only Orthodox Judaism is true Judaism.

I have used the term "traditional." I have never said anything about "true" Judaism.

And I
> have reason to believe some Orthodox groups
> actually used Zoom on Sabbath, judging from
> information coming from relatives in Israel.
>

I'll believe it when I see it. I assume you mean during the Covid shutdowns. In Baltimore and elsewhere Synagogues were closed for a time and had reduced occupancy for while and, of course, required masks. There were adhoc services held in back yards. I heard of no zooming.

>>> How is that different from Dan Koren surfing the
>>> net or using Zoom on Sabbath?
>>
>> Pretending you really want to know.
>
> Not pretending anything. I asked you to present a
> logical argument as to why it is OK for you to use
> a Sabbath elevator or leave a warm plate on, while
> at the same time it is not OK for me or anyone else
> to keep surfing the internet. As you know, no one
> turns the internet off or on Friday night or the next
> evening.
>

Actually, I know people who shut there devices down for Sabbath. Possibly for symbolic reasons or to avoid temptations.

> It is a simple, logical, straightforward question that
> you keep trying to talk around.
>
>
>> When you press a key on your keyboard, a connection
>> of some sort is made. That is considered a completion,
>> i.e. a creative activity. It is forbidden on the Sabbath.
>
> This is a grotesque analogy. There is no "completion" of
> any activity by surfing the internet. Are you also stating
> one is not allowed to write or play the piano on weekends?
>

Absolutely no writing or playing the piano on the Sabbath. Now you are getting it.

You thought you knew a fair bit about orthodox Judaism but have demonstrated that you don't. I don't know why you should.
>> Period.
>
> Nope. You only get a semi-colon for such a twisted argument.
>
>> I know you think that's nuts and that you don't give a hoot
>> about the several thousand years of Rabbinic analysis
>
> How can there be thousands of years of Rabbinic analysis of
> situations that only materialized during the last 3 decades?
>
>> and ruling that led to this (uncontested by any Rabbi that calls
>> himself Orthodox) religious law, but this isn't about you, you, you.
>
> As pointed out earlier, there are other branches of Judaism
> than the Orthodox. Your "argument" sounds very much like
> a Catholic denying Protestants are Christian too.
>
> dk

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:52:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/3/2022 8:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:57:58 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 4/3/2022 6:59 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
> >>>>>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
> >>>>>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
> >>>>>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
> >>>>>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
> >>>>> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
> >>>>> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
> >>>>> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
> >>>>> a matter of interpretation.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox
> >>>> Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated
> >>>> to keep the laws.
> >>>
> >>> There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
> >>> A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
> >>> hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
> >>> I am concerned.
> >>>
> >> There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism.

Neither do you.

> Why is that so hard to understand?

Obviously you don't understand it either.

> >>>> There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the
> >>>> laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't
> >>>> observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example.
> >>>> The more one knows the more serious such violations
> >>>> are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins.
> >>>> Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get
> >>>> what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying
> >>>> you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk.
> >>>> My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own
> >>>> personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks! I feel so much relieved. Otherwise, surfing
> >>> the internet on Sabbath is no different than leaving
> >>> the lights on, or using Sabbath elevators. Some
> >>> synagogues actually held Zoom services during
> >>> lockdowns.
> >>
> >> No orthodox synagogues did.
> >
> > As we all know, not all synagogues are Orthodox.
>
> We were talking about orthodoxy. What Conservative,
> Reform or Reconstructionist Judaism believe or do is
> another matter.

And why would that "other matter" not be relevant to
the discussion about what one may or may not do
on Sabbath ?!? There is clearly room for more than
one interpretation.

> > The time is long overdue to call your bluff that
> > only Orthodox Judaism is true Judaism.
>
> I have used the term "traditional." I have never said
> anything about "true" Judaism.

You did not say it literally, but it was implied.

> And I
> > have reason to believe some Orthodox groups
> > actually used Zoom on Sabbath, judging from
> > information coming from relatives in Israel.
>
> I'll believe it when I see it.

Just log in.

> I assume you mean during the Covid shutdowns.

Yep.

> In Baltimore and elsewhere Synagogues were closed
> for a time and had reduced occupancy for while and,
> of course, required masks. There were adhoc services
> held in back yards. I heard of no zooming.

You did not log in.

> >>> How is that different from Dan Koren surfing the
> >>> net or using Zoom on Sabbath?
> >>
> >> Pretending you really want to know.
> >
> > Not pretending anything. I asked you to present a
> > logical argument as to why it is OK for you to use
> > a Sabbath elevator or leave a warm plate on, while
> > at the same time it is not OK for me or anyone else
> > to keep surfing the internet. As you know, no one
> > turns the internet off or on Friday night or the next
> > evening.
> >
> Actually, I know people who shut there devices down
> for Sabbath. Possibly for symbolic reasons or to avoid
> temptations.

Fine, but that does not make it mandatory practice for
everyone else.

> > It is a simple, logical, straightforward question that
> > you keep trying to talk around.
> >
> >> When you press a key on your keyboard, a connection
> >> of some sort is made. That is considered a completion,
> >> i.e. a creative activity. It is forbidden on the Sabbath.
> >
> > This is a grotesque analogy. There is no "completion" of
> > any activity by surfing the internet. Are you also stating
> > one is not allowed to write or play the piano on weekends?
> >
> Absolutely no writing or playing the piano on the Sabbath.

OK, then I wil switch to the fiddle and climb on the roof.
This is perfectly tolerable as long as I can keep eating
sushi.

> Now you are getting it.

I always got it. But I didn't always agree with "it".

Again, the main point of this discussion is that
anyone is entitled to his/her/its interpretation
of any book, no matter what others think of it.

You are entitled to borrow your interpretation
from others, if you believe they are smarter or
more knowledgeable that you, or even if you
are too lazy to deconstruct and reconstruct
things on your own from first principles.

Other people are no less entitled to reason
through and follow their own interpretations.

Therefore, I declare the following:

1) I am entitled to eat sushi on weekends or
any other day. I don't eat meat or dairy, so
the only way to stay alive is to eat sushi
and selected veggies. And chocolate. It
is a life saving/preserving mitzvah.

2) I am entitled to play the piano on weekends,
even if it upsets the neighbors. I don't have
time to practice during the week, so I really
have no choice. It is a spiritual mitzvah.

3) I am entitled to sip Bowmore and Springbank
any time in order to keep my balance. This is
a medical mitzvah.

4) I am entitled to drink Indonesian coffee any
time in order to keep my bood pressure from
dropping to zero -- even though Indonesian
coffee is not kosher. It is a life preserving
mitzvah.

dk

On 4/3/2022 9:18 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:52:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 4/3/2022 8:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:57:58 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/2022 6:59 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/2/2022 10:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I knew this would happen. I simply tried to be
>>>>>>>> descriptive about what orthodox Judaism is and
>>>>>>>> you reply with a whole bunch of judgements. What
>>>>>>>> you think of tradition or rabbis is not relevant to
>>>>>>>> the discussion I thought I was involved in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We (or at leasr some of us) know full well what
>>>>>>> Orthodox Judaism is and how it works. My point
>>>>>>> was simply that I do not see myself obligated to
>>>>>>> accept anyone's judgment on what is really just
>>>>>>> a matter of interpretation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are also reflecting ignorance about what orthodox
>>>>>> Judaism is. A basic tenet is that all Jews are obligated
>>>>>> to keep the laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
>>>>> A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
>>>>> hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
>>>>> I am concerned.
>>>>>
>>>> There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism.
>
> Neither do you.
>

What is wrong with you? Everything I've said about Orthodox Judaism could have said if I was a Presbyterian or a Hottentot. Things have definitions. There may be gray areas in a definition, but things need to be definable.

>> Why is that so hard to understand?
>
> Obviously you don't understand it either.
>
>>>>>> There are exceptions. A Jew who doesn't know the
>>>>>> laws is not considered to be sinning if he doesn't
>>>>>> observe the Sabbath or keep Kosher, for example.
>>>>>> The more one knows the more serious such violations
>>>>>> are considered to be. But we have no cardinal sins.
>>>>>> Your mitzvahs and sins are balanced and you get
>>>>>> what you deserve in the afterlife. I'm not saying
>>>>>> you have to believe in this. You can think it's all bunk.
>>>>>> My saying this doesn't even necessarily reflect my own
>>>>>> personal beliefs. It is simply (part of) a definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! I feel so much relieved. Otherwise, surfing
>>>>> the internet on Sabbath is no different than leaving
>>>>> the lights on, or using Sabbath elevators. Some
>>>>> synagogues actually held Zoom services during
>>>>> lockdowns.
>>>>
>>>> No orthodox synagogues did.
>>>
>>> As we all know, not all synagogues are Orthodox.
>>
>> We were talking about orthodoxy. What Conservative,
>> Reform or Reconstructionist Judaism believe or do is
>> another matter.
>
> And why would that "other matter" not be relevant to
> the discussion about what one may or may not do
> on Sabbath ?!? There is clearly room for more than
> one interpretation.
>

A reform Rabbi would have nothing to disagree with what I have said. We started this talking about orthodoxy. I have made no judgements about what is correct. You refuse to have the discussion on my terms, so there is no point in continuing. I am amazed at you obfuscation. Truly.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 4/3/2022 9:18 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:52:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 4/3/2022 8:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
> >>>>> A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
> >>>>> hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
> >>>>> I am concerned.
> >>>>>
> >>>> There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism.
> >
> > Neither do you.
> >
> What is wrong with you? Everything I've said about Orthodox
> Judaism could have said if I was a Presbyterian or a Hottentot.

Of course. We all know (and have known for a long time) that
Presbyterians and Hottentots are just branches of Judaism.

> Things have definitions.

Of course they do. There is nothing however in the definition
of the internet or the way it functions that prevents one from
using it during weekends. Not buttons or switches to turn off
or on. I asked you to explain from a rabbinical point of view
how using the internet differs from using a Sabbath elevator
or a 24 hour warming plate, and you did not offer even the
simplest explanation.

> There may be gray areas in a definition, but things need
> to be definable.

Yes, they are, and yes they need to be. One still needs to
explain how it follows from the definition of the internet
(whatever that is) that it cannot or should not be used
on Sabbath.

> A reform Rabbi would have nothing to disagree with what I
> have said. We started this talking about orthodoxy. I have
> made no judgements about what is correct. You refuse to
> have the discussion on my terms, so there is no point in
> continuing. I am amazed at you obfuscation. Truly.

All the obfuscation is entirely in your corner. I asked a very
simply question, and you did not answer it. Given that there
is nothing in the Bible or in the Talmud about the internet,
and given that no "actions" are involved in using it, how is
surfing on internet on weekends verboten from a Halachic
POV? If you cannot provide yourself an explanation, can
you provide links and pointers to the relevant rabbies'
rulings?

Thx,

dk

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:26:22 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 4/3/2022 9:18 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:52:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > >> On 4/3/2022 8:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> There are no Jewish religious laws about Internet use.
> > >>>>> A Rabbi's interpretation built from glueing together a
> > >>>>> hundred split hairs does not qualify as "law" as far as
> > >>>>> I am concerned.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> There is the "I" again. "You" don't get to define Judaism.
> > >
> > > Neither do you.
> > >
> > What is wrong with you? Everything I've said about Orthodox
> > Judaism could have said if I was a Presbyterian or a Hottentot.
> Of course. We all know (and have known for a long time) that
> Presbyterians and Hottentots are just branches of Judaism.
>
> > Things have definitions.
>
> Of course they do. There is nothing however in the definition
> of the internet or the way it functions that prevents one from
> using it during weekends. Not buttons or switches to turn off
> or on. I asked you to explain from a rabbinical point of view
> how using the internet differs from using a Sabbath elevator
> or a 24 hour warming plate, and you did not offer even the
> simplest explanation.
> > There may be gray areas in a definition, but things need
> > to be definable.
> Yes, they are, and yes they need to be. One still needs to
> explain how it follows from the definition of the internet
> (whatever that is) that it cannot or should not be used
> on Sabbath.
> > A reform Rabbi would have nothing to disagree with what I
> > have said. We started this talking about orthodoxy. I have
> > made no judgements about what is correct. You refuse to
> > have the discussion on my terms, so there is no point in
> > continuing. I am amazed at you obfuscation. Truly.
> All the obfuscation is entirely in your corner. I asked a very
> simply question, and you did not answer it. Given that there
> is nothing in the Bible or in the Talmud about the internet,
> and given that no "actions" are involved in using it, how is
> surfing on internet on weekends verboten from a Halachic
> POV? If you cannot provide yourself an explanation, can
> you provide links and pointers to the relevant rabbies'
> rulings?

Perhaps you should read this:

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/8968/is-it-forbidden-to-use-the-internet-on-shabbat

As you see, there is plenty of room for more than one
interpretations.

dk