On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:56:56 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2021 om 01:39:03 UTC+2 schreef MELMOTH:
> > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> >
> > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > anything on this forum, eh...
> > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > idiots...
> <g> I'd rather not listen to 'Chosta' but like you, I don't understand American foreign policy.
>
> Henk

According to this recent article:

- Over four administrations, American policy in Afghanistan has veered from incoherent to counterproductive.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-15/the-u-s-can-t-walk-away-from-afghanistan

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots...

Did Biden pull the U.S. out of Afghanistan because in 2024, he didn't want Republican presidential candidates promising that THEY would finally pull us out of A.?

Will the citizens of Taiwan be able to sleep tonight?

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:34:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> >
> > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > anything on this forum, eh...
> > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > idiots...
> Did Biden pull the U.S. out of Afghanistan because in 2024, he didn't want Republican presidential candidates promising that THEY would finally pull us out of A.?

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-possible-2024-republican-challengers-100000434.html

War! Huh. What is it good for?
Absolutely nuthin. Good God ya'll!

John Fowler a formulé la demande :
> War! Huh. What is it good for?
> Absolutely nuthin. Good God ya'll!

You should read the excellent and indispensable book by *Henri
LABORIT*: *La Colombe Assassinée*...
I don't know if it has been translated into English)...
Laborit would have deserved a hundred times the Nobel Prize of
medicine!...(even if he got the Lasker prize, a small consolation)...

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:34:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> >
> > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > anything on this forum, eh...
> > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > idiots...
> Did Biden pull the U.S. out of Afghanistan because in 2024, he didn't want Republican presidential candidates promising that THEY would finally pull us out of A.?
>
> Will the citizens of Taiwan be able to sleep tonight?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afghanistan-chaos-blame-us/2021/08/14/0d4e5ab2-fd3e-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:10:50 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> > >
> > > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > > anything on this forum, eh...
> > > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > > idiots...
> > (The following Youtube upload is barely a week old and already has over 1.7 million views and over 11K comments):
> >
> > Why Afghanistan is impossible to conquer
> It now has over 2M views and over 13K comments.

Now over 15K comments.

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots...

For those who fear that the loss of A. will lead to a domino-effect in the surrounding region:

- Mr. McNamara says he belatedly concluded that the domino theory enunciated by President Dwight D. Eisenhower and subscribed to by his three successors was wrong: The loss of South Vietnam never threatened to undermine the entire American position in Asia or to undercut United States credibility elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/09/world/mcnamara-recalls-and-regrets-vietnam.html

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:34:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> >
> > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > anything on this forum, eh...
> > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > idiots...
> Did Biden pull the U.S. out of Afghanistan because in 2024, he didn't want Republican presidential candidates promising that THEY would finally pull us out of A.?
>
> Will the citizens of Taiwan be able to sleep tonight?

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231566.shtml

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 6:17:08 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:34:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> > >
> > > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > > anything on this forum, eh...
> > > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > > idiots...
> > Did Biden pull the U.S. out of Afghanistan because in 2024, he didn't want Republican presidential candidates promising that THEY would finally pull us out of A.?
> >
> > Will the citizens of Taiwan be able to sleep tonight?
> https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231566.shtml

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231635.shtml

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:10:50 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> > > >
> > > > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > > > anything on this forum, eh...
> > > > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > > > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > > > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > > > idiots...
> > > (The following Youtube upload is barely a week old and already has over 1.7 million views and over 11K comments):
> > >
> > > Why Afghanistan is impossible to conquer
> > It now has over 2M views and over 13K comments.
> Now over 15K comments.

Now over 18k comments.

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 9:38:37 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 2:22:01 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2021 om 10:16:13 UTC+2 schreef gggg gggg:
> > > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:51:49 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> > > > >
> > > > > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > > > > anything on this forum, eh...
> > > > > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > > > > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > > > > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > > > > idiots...
> > > > Does the following also apply to Afghanistan and Iraq?:
> > > >
> > > > - ...The war in Vietnam only occurred because some people thought they were God.
> > > >
> > > > https://sojo.net/articles/who-gets-play-god-revisiting-apocalypse-now
> > > Does this also apply to Afghanistan?:
> > >
> > > - ...Military force--especially when wielded by an outside power-- cannot bring order in a country that cannot govern itself.
> > >
> > > Robert McNamara
> > McNamara attributes the failure (a euphemism) in Vietnam to a universal law. In doing so, he only makes matters worse. The US are unaware of universal laws or do not believe they apply to them.
> American exceptionalism?

According to this recent article:

- Whatever one thinks of Biden or Trump, the road to foreign policy hell is paved with an unending belief in American exceptionalism from history’s teachings.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/taliban-retakes-afghanistan-kabul-saigon-photo-comparisons-spotlight-missed-lessons-ncna1276978

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:12:15 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:10:50 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> > > > >
> > > > > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > > > > anything on this forum, eh...
> > > > > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > > > > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > > > > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > > > > idiots...
> > > > (The following Youtube upload is barely a week old and already has over 1.7 million views and over 11K comments):
> > > >
> > > > Why Afghanistan is impossible to conquer
> > > It now has over 2M views and over 13K comments.
> > Now over 15K comments.
> Now over 18k comments.

Now over 20k comments and 3m views.

On 8/18/21 2:58 PM, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:12:15 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 11:10:50 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
>>>>>> anything on this forum, eh...
>>>>>> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
>>>>>> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
>>>>>> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
>>>>>> idiots...
>>>>> (The following Youtube upload is barely a week old and already has over 1.7 million views and over 11K comments):
>>>>>
>>>>> Why Afghanistan is impossible to conquer
>>>> It now has over 2M views and over 13K comments.
>>> Now over 15K comments.
>> Now over 18k comments.
>
> Now over 20k comments and 3m views.
>

Are they all yours?

-Owen

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots...

(Recent Y. upload):

The Taliban's Conquest of Afghanistan

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 2:22:01 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2021 om 10:16:13 UTC+2 schreef gggg gggg:
> > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:51:49 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> > > > https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
> > > >
> > > > Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> > > > anything on this forum, eh...
> > > > Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> > > > One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> > > > it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> > > > idiots...
> > > Does the following also apply to Afghanistan and Iraq?:
> > >
> > > - ...The war in Vietnam only occurred because some people thought they were God.
> > >
> > > https://sojo.net/articles/who-gets-play-god-revisiting-apocalypse-now
> > Does this also apply to Afghanistan?:
> >
> > - ...Military force--especially when wielded by an outside power-- cannot bring order in a country that cannot govern itself.
> >
> > Robert McNamara
> McNamara attributes the failure (a euphemism) in Vietnam to a universal law. In doing so, he only makes matters worse. The US are unaware of universal laws or do not believe they apply to them.

According to this recent article:

- Whatever one thinks of Biden or Trump, the road to foreign policy hell is paved with an unending belief in American exceptionalism from
history’s teachings.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/taliban-retakes-afghanistan-kabul-saigon-photo-comparisons-spotlight-missed-lessons-ncna1276978

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots..

According to this:

- So when people ask me if we made the right call getting out of Afghanistan in 2021, I answer truthfully: Absolutely not. The right call was getting out in 2002. 2003. Every year we didn’t get out was another year the Taliban used to refine their skills and tactics against us...

https://news.yahoo.com/served-afghanistan-us-marine-twice-100000389.html

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots...

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.history.medieval/c/CZv2ql9nmdo

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18402754/russia-ukraine-invasion-threat-nuclear-world-war-putin/

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
> https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/057385-001-A/vietnam-1-9/
>
> Relation with the Music ?...None...But as here we can talk about
> anything on this forum, eh...
> Or listen to Chosta's "Leningrad" at the same time ?...
> One would have thought that the United States would have learned from
> it...Well no...They did it again in Afghanistan and Iraq, those
> idiots...

(2023 Y. upload):

"US is at the edge of war, China expert warns"