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From: dentalt...@earthlink.net (Steven Bornfeld)
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Subject: Re: OT: Wokeness
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 22:01:02 -0400
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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 02:01 UTC

On 6/10/2022 1:30 PM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> I thought this might be an amusing (and perhaps agreeable) read for the local self-proclaimed enemies of "wokeness." And I'm not being sarcastic.
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> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/unlearning-the-language-of-wokeness.html

This guy imagines himself a leftist?

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 06:20 UTC

On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 12:01:08 UTC+10, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 6/10/2022 1:30 PM, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
> > I thought this might be an amusing (and perhaps agreeable) read for the local self-proclaimed enemies of "wokeness." And I'm not being sarcastic.
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> > https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/unlearning-the-language-of-wokeness.html
> This guy imagines himself a leftist?

Wokeness is just another way of wrapping a problem up into one word, in order to effectively and politically make the problem disappear. This is the way that the radical right operate of course, as most people are now well aware. They then rally around these stupid acronyms, and it makes their world so much simpler.

Did anyone with any real genuine interests in trying to solve some problems, ever learn or be concerned about the "woke" lingo in the first place?

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: Marc S - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 06:51 UTC

Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory

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 by: Oscar - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 06:51 UTC

Political correctness is fascism pretending to be good manners. -George Carlin, 1937-2008.

Political correctness is America's newest form of intolerance, and it is especially pernicious because it comes disguised as tolerance. It presents itself as fairness, yet attempts to restrict and control people's language with strict codes and rigid rules. I'm not sure that's the way to fight discrimination. I'm not sure silencing people or forcing them to alter their speech is the best method for solving problems that go much deeper than speech.. -George Carlin

Eff the left. -Oscar

P.S. I once sat next to George Carlin at a 'meeting' c.2004, and had an enlightening discussion afterward re Charlie Parker, as Carlin kept a laminated autograph of Parker which he secured in 1954 outside a club on 42nd St. Carlin waxed on about Parker's elegant signature and other incredible things.. I was just smiling the entire time. Couldn't believe it. A really great guy!

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On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 2:51:55 AM, Oscar wrote:
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> had an enlightening discussion afterward re Charlie Parker, as Carlin kept
> a laminated autograph of Parker which he secured in 1954 outside a club . . .

He kept it _in his wallet_ and he was showing it to me. Forgot that critical part of the story!

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On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 07:51:09 UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
> Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha

What's this all about? Is it possible to talk about the State of Israel on a newsgroup or is this forbidden by some kind of unstated convention?

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On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
>
> https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory

What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?

Ray Hall, Taree

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raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> >
> > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf...

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On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 22:24:28 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > >
> > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf..

You have not explained a thing. Just a wild rant from someone who believes Israel's hands are not and could not be free of blood. Tell it to the birds, because I still await your answer. Then you can explain what is that has caused your irritation, as if I really care. In short put whatever cards you think you hold on the table, and we'll go from there. I find it rather odd that a thread on "wokeness" should invoke your "memories" such as you believe them. But maybe choosing to be unaware when it suits coincides with the likes of your ilk?

Ray Hall, Taree

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raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 15:46:42 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 22:24:28 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > > >
> > > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > > What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
> > >
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf..
> You have not explained a thing. Just a wild rant from someone who believes Israel's hands are not and could not be free of blood. Tell it to the birds, because I still await your answer. Then you can explain what is that has caused your irritation, as if I really care. In short put whatever cards you think you hold on the table, and we'll go from there. I find it rather odd that a thread on "wokeness" should invoke your "memories" such as you believe them. But maybe choosing to be unaware when it suits coincides with the likes of your ilk?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

It is you who has not explained a thing because you are brainwashed beyond doubt. I did not say they could not be free from blood, I said that israel is not a killing machine as you portray it to be. So where is your evidence that Israel is a killing machine? So if Israel defends its borders it is a killing machine? How does that make any sense?

But people have tried to tell you this quite a few times as I have read. It would be stupid of me thinking one could wake you up from your slumber. Nevertheless I had fun making fun of you trying to wake you up.

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raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 15:46:42 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 22:24:28 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > > >
> > > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > > What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
> > >
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf..
> You have not explained a thing. Just a wild rant from someone who believes Israel's hands are not and could not be free of blood. Tell it to the birds, because I still await your answer. Then you can explain what is that has caused your irritation, as if I really care. In short put whatever cards you think you hold on the table, and we'll go from there. I find it rather odd that a thread on "wokeness" should invoke your "memories" such as you believe them. But maybe choosing to be unaware when it suits coincides with the likes of your ilk?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

I am not a jew if that is what you mean by "your ilk" btw. What a sad fuck you must be to think and talk in this manner... anyways Im out of this godforsaken place!

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On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 00:20:48 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 15:46:42 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 22:24:28 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > > > What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
> > > >
> > > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > > Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf..
> > You have not explained a thing. Just a wild rant from someone who believes Israel's hands are not and could not be free of blood. Tell it to the birds, because I still await your answer. Then you can explain what is that has caused your irritation, as if I really care. In short put whatever cards you think you hold on the table, and we'll go from there. I find it rather odd that a thread on "wokeness" should invoke your "memories" such as you believe them. But maybe choosing to be unaware when it suits coincides with the likes of your ilk?
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> I am not a jew if that is what you mean by "your ilk" btw. What a sad fuck you must be to think and talk in this manner... anyways Im out of this godforsaken place!

Goodbye. And ilk clearly means the looney far right, if that makes you any happier.

Ray Hall, Taree

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raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 16:54:06 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 00:20:48 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 15:46:42 UTC+2:
> > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 22:24:28 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> > > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > > > > What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > > > Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf..
> > > You have not explained a thing. Just a wild rant from someone who believes Israel's hands are not and could not be free of blood. Tell it to the birds, because I still await your answer. Then you can explain what is that has caused your irritation, as if I really care. In short put whatever cards you think you hold on the table, and we'll go from there. I find it rather odd that a thread on "wokeness" should invoke your "memories" such as you believe them. But maybe choosing to be unaware when it suits coincides with the likes of your ilk?
> > >
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > I am not a jew if that is what you mean by "your ilk" btw. What a sad fuck you must be to think and talk in this manner... anyways Im out of this godforsaken place!
> Goodbye. And ilk clearly means the looney far right, if that makes you any happier.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

So it is now "looney far-right" to call out antisemitism... what is wrong in your head?

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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:10 UTC

On 6/11/2022 2:20 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 12:01:08 UTC+10, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> On 6/10/2022 1:30 PM, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
>>> I thought this might be an amusing (and perhaps agreeable) read for the local self-proclaimed enemies of "wokeness." And I'm not being sarcastic.
>>>
>>> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/unlearning-the-language-of-wokeness.html
>> This guy imagines himself a leftist?
>
> Wokeness is just another way of wrapping a problem up into one word, in order to effectively and politically make the problem disappear. This is the way that the radical right operate of course, as most people are now well aware. They then rally around these stupid acronyms, and it makes their world so much simpler.
>
> Did anyone with any real genuine interests in trying to solve some problems, ever learn or be concerned about the "woke" lingo in the first place?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Don't confuse us with facts.

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:11 UTC

On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 01:03:38 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 16:54:06 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 00:20:48 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 15:46:42 UTC+2:
> > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 22:24:28 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 10:50:02 UTC+2:
> > > > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 16:51:09 UTC+10, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > > > > > What has "antisemitism" got to do with "Israeli killing machines" ?? Maybe you can explain?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > > > > Does blood libel ring a bell? You are accusing Israel of sth that it is not, and the image you paint makes Israel seem to be some kind of demonic entity that aimlessly kills people "Israeli Killing machines" wtf..
> > > > You have not explained a thing. Just a wild rant from someone who believes Israel's hands are not and could not be free of blood. Tell it to the birds, because I still await your answer. Then you can explain what is that has caused your irritation, as if I really care. In short put whatever cards you think you hold on the table, and we'll go from there. I find it rather odd that a thread on "wokeness" should invoke your "memories" such as you believe them. But maybe choosing to be unaware when it suits coincides with the likes of your ilk?
> > > >
> > > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > > I am not a jew if that is what you mean by "your ilk" btw. What a sad fuck you must be to think and talk in this manner... anyways Im out of this godforsaken place!
> > Goodbye. And ilk clearly means the looney far right, if that makes you any happier.
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> So it is now "looney far-right" to call out antisemitism... what is wrong in your head?

Only you has raised the question of antisemitism in this thread. So I dread to think what is going on in your head. My entry to this thread opined on the question of "wokeness" so why can't you stay on topic? Or at the very least answer the question I put to you? You are clearly in a state of extreme agitation, because you are becoming incoherent. Time to check in to your quack.

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:13 UTC

On 6/11/2022 2:51 AM, Marc S wrote:
> Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
>
> https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory

Please explain what this PARTICULAR topic has to do with Israel.

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 by: Johannes Roehl - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:19 UTC

raymond....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 08:20:21 UTC+2:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 12:01:08 UTC+10, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> > On 6/10/2022 1:30 PM, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
> > > I thought this might be an amusing (and perhaps agreeable) read for the local self-proclaimed enemies of "wokeness." And I'm not being sarcastic..
> > >
> > > https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/unlearning-the-language-of-wokeness.html
> > This guy imagines himself a leftist?
> Wokeness is just another way of wrapping a problem up into one word, in order to effectively and politically make the problem disappear.

To the contrary, it is a method to generate "problems" to keep a host of people in superfluous jobs that would not exist otherwise, namely all the ones watching over everyone keeping to the rules of speech, of regulated/facilitated admission of minorities or otherwise "challenged" groups, those offering "antidiscrimination" or "diversity" training, to direct millions to certain foundations and organizations, to blow up all kinds of departments both in government and business etc. The exaggerated or invented problems must NEVER go away, in fact they must become both more subtle to detect and more pressing because otherwise one would not need all these job positions.

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 by: raymond....@gmail.co - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:59 UTC

On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 02:19:50 UTC+10, parr...web.de wrote:
> raymond....gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 08:20:21 UTC+2:
> > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 12:01:08 UTC+10, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> > > On 6/10/2022 1:30 PM, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
> > > > I thought this might be an amusing (and perhaps agreeable) read for the local self-proclaimed enemies of "wokeness." And I'm not being sarcastic.
> > > >
> > > > https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/unlearning-the-language-of-wokeness.html
> > > This guy imagines himself a leftist?
> > Wokeness is just another way of wrapping a problem up into one word, in order to effectively and politically make the problem disappear.
> To the contrary, it is a method to generate "problems" to keep a host of people in superfluous jobs that would not exist otherwise, namely all the ones watching over everyone keeping to the rules of speech, of regulated/facilitated admission of minorities or otherwise "challenged" groups, those offering "antidiscrimination" or "diversity" training, to direct millions to certain foundations and organizations, to blow up all kinds of departments both in government and business etc. The exaggerated or invented problems must NEVER go away, in fact they must become both more subtle to detect and more pressing because otherwise one would not need all these job positions.

You make some good points, enough to take time to digest. We seem to be approaching the definition from different angles, but thanks for your reasoned input.

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: Marc S - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 18:21 UTC

Steven Bornfeld schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 18:13:43 UTC+2:
> On 6/11/2022 2:51 AM, Marc S wrote:
> > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> >
> > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> Please explain what this PARTICULAR topic has to do with Israel.

Please explain how you as a jew find it morally acceptable to talk to a guy who is spouting antisemitic nonsense or in this case how you as a jew would not even adress this PARTICULAR issue.

Now to help you see things a bit more clearly: Raymond - himself carrying antisemitic thoughts - talks about the radical right. Now if you can't see this hypocrisy, I can't help you. Also Raymond shows how "leftists" (he seems to think of himself as one) are completely oblivious to their own antisemitic problem.

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 by: Marc S - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 18:21 UTC

Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 20:21:12 UTC+2:
> Steven Bornfeld schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 18:13:43 UTC+2:
> > On 6/11/2022 2:51 AM, Marc S wrote:
> > > Raymond "I am not an antisemite, but israeli killing machine blablabla" Hall... talking about the radical right... hahaha
> > >
> > > https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/covid-affects-your-memory
> > Please explain what this PARTICULAR topic has to do with Israel.
> Please explain how you as a jew find it morally acceptable to talk to a guy who is spouting antisemitic nonsense or in this case how you as a jew would not even adress this PARTICULAR issue.
>
> Now to help you see things a bit more clearly: Raymond - himself carrying antisemitic thoughts - talks about the radical right. Now if you can't see this hypocrisy, I can't help you. Also Raymond shows how "leftists" (he seems to think of himself as one) are completely oblivious to their own antisemitic problem.

The woke mindest of this ng is unbearable. Just read the article I posted.

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not sure whats goin on in this thread just popping in to say i am jewish most of my extended family is in israel and yes that government absolutely is a killing machine and it is not antisemitic to say so regardless of what american conservatives with no real stake have to say about it. if you want to argue that everythings hunky dory in the idf try taking it up with the thousands upon thousands of jewish israeli leftists who routinely protest in the streets of tel aviv etc

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cheregi schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 23:03:34 UTC+2:
> not sure whats goin on in this thread just popping in to say i am jewish most of my extended family is in israel and yes that government absolutely is a killing machine and it is not antisemitic to say so regardless of what american conservatives with no real stake have to say about it. if you want to argue that everythings hunky dory in the idf try taking it up with the thousands upon thousands of jewish israeli leftists who routinely protest in the streets of tel aviv etc

It seems you don't only know nothing about what's going on in this thread, but also what situation Israel is faced with despite your extended family living in israel. Many Jews in Germany didn't realize things either - just a memo. I am not an american conservative, I am a german. If you had a better eye for details you might have noticed that already. If you are implying that you have more of an idea of what antisemitism is, just because of your jewish heritage, you are argueing from a perceived high horse in a discriminating manner. It seems you know nothing about the "original" ideas of "the left", otherwise you wouldn't talk such nonsense.

Since you have not provided any arguments that actually indicate the IDF to be a killing machine (for example: IDF sends warning "bombs" to warn civilians to bomb away rocket-stations in Gaza) you propagate antisemitism as well. You remind me a bit of the term useful jew in regards to hamas and hezbollah and chamenei. The IDF needs to be a force to be reckoned with otherwise you probably wouldn't even be alive that you haven't grasped this is beyond comprehension for me. I am a fan of Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Menachem Brgin..

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On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:46:07 PM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> cheregi schrieb am Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 um 23:03:34 UTC+2:
> > not sure whats goin on in this thread just popping in to say i am jewish most of my extended family is in israel and yes that government absolutely is a killing machine and it is not antisemitic to say so regardless of what american conservatives with no real stake have to say about it. if you want to argue that everythings hunky dory in the idf try taking it up with the thousands upon thousands of jewish israeli leftists who routinely protest in the streets of tel aviv etc
> It seems you don't only know nothing about what's going on in this thread, but also what situation Israel is faced with despite your extended family living in israel. Many Jews in Germany didn't realize things either - just a memo. I am not an american conservative, I am a german. If you had a better eye for details you might have noticed that already. If you are implying that you have more of an idea of what antisemitism is, just because of your jewish heritage, you are argueing from a perceived high horse in a discriminating manner. It seems you know nothing about the "original" ideas of "the left", otherwise you wouldn't talk such nonsense.
>
> Since you have not provided any arguments that actually indicate the IDF to be a killing machine (for example: IDF sends warning "bombs" to warn civilians to bomb away rocket-stations in Gaza) you propagate antisemitism as well. You remind me a bit of the term useful jew in regards to hamas and hezbollah and chamenei. The IDF needs to be a force to be reckoned with otherwise you probably wouldn't even be alive that you haven't grasped this is beyond comprehension for me. I am a fan of Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Menachem Brgin.

you and several others here are clearly too bloodthirsty to be swayed by any amount of reasoned argument. i am just here because i dont like my identity to be weaponized in service of this kind of crap as though jewish opinion is monolithic. did you know albert einstein publicly decried the zionist paramilitaries as fascist thugs?

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On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 07:03:34 UTC+10, cheregi wrote:
> not sure whats goin on in this thread just popping in to say i am jewish most of my extended family is in israel and yes that government absolutely is a killing machine and it is not antisemitic to say so regardless of what american conservatives with no real stake have to say about it. if you want to argue that everythings hunky dory in the idf try taking it up with the thousands upon thousands of jewish israeli leftists who routinely protest in the streets of tel aviv etc

Thank you for saying this. As in many countries the answer is to get the government changed. I know that a majority of Israelis are good people, but there is a distinct minority that wield disproportiate power in order to exercise their aims.

Ray Hall, Taree

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 by: weary flake - Sun, 12 Jun 2022 00:03 UTC

On 6/10/22 11:20 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 12:01:08 UTC+10, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> On 6/10/2022 1:30 PM, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
>>> I thought this might be an amusing (and perhaps agreeable) read for the local self-proclaimed enemies of "wokeness." And I'm not being sarcastic.
>>>
>>> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/unlearning-the-language-of-wokeness.html
>> This guy imagines himself a leftist?

he concludes:

> As leftists, we must make this offer - of interdependence in exchange for shared
> liberation - again and again, in different places, to different people, in different
> ways and hope that it begins to make sense.

He's saying leftists should unite against non-leftists and say different things
to different people, and be more corporate in the marketing department: "Don't
tell the same things to everyone, but tailor your message".

> That's the whole game. Won't you join me?

No. I have a counter proposal, that non-leftists should unite against leftists.

> Wokeness is just another way of wrapping a problem up into one word, in order to effectively and politically make the problem disappear. This is the way that the radical right operate of course, as most people are now well aware. They then rally around these stupid acronyms, and it makes their world so much simpler.
>
> Did anyone with any real genuine interests in trying to solve some problems, ever learn or be concerned about the "woke" lingo in the first place?

When a loner is being beaten by the woke, the problem is hitting back when
society sides with the gang over the individual.

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