On 8/14/2022 3:49 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 8/14/2022 3:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:46:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Every great cause starts out as a
>>>> movement, degenerates into a
>>>> business, and ends up a racket.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Hoffer
>>>
>>> This is the first intelligent quote you
>>> ever posted in this forum. It also
>>> applies to r.m.c.r. astoundingly
>>> well!
>>
>> Almost every statement that begins
>> with the word "every"is false.
>
> Please provide a counter example to
> Hoffer's quote. Otherwise, we can all
> say every statement that starts with
> almost is an attempt to duck the issue.
>
> dk

You can say whatever you want, as can I. If we want to consider capitalism a "cause" (I prefer to think of it as the other side of the coin of freedom), I do not believe it has "degenerated" into a business or has become a "racket." Corruption exists, of course; there are criminals and we deal with them the best we can. But most corruption in so-called capitalist (mostly free) systems is caused by government interference. I know exactly who will respond with exactly what counter-arguments to this and I will not respond. Have at it.

On 8/14/22 10:43 AM, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 8/13/22 6:12 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
>> On 7/29/22 6:08 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qAgmpX6c4U
>>
>> Blind linking is akin to click baiting and is offensive.
>>
>> The best  thing about this link is that it can be read and is not
>> merely a video.
>>
>> Here's the only sensible comment I happened across, I guess
>> "big think" forgot to  delete it, though I guess that "an increased
>> tolerance" was a typo for  "an increased intolerance".  So in

I misread the quote "tolerance" but it works either way:

an increased tolerance and even encouragement of indoctrination at our
colleges and universities.

an increased intolerance and even encouragement of indoctrination at our
colleges and universities.

Either way, the notion that criticism of education is a denunciation
of education is below the intelligence of a typical six year old,
which may be why six year olds are rarely called upon to teach.

>> diametrical contrast to Rushdie's thesis that "criticism of education
>> is an attack on the idea of education itself":
>>
>> I suspect reasonable people are far more against the growing
>> trend of education being replaced with activism than they are
>> against the idea of education itself.
>>
>> So long as the majority of institutions founded to help people
>> understand the world better are ideologically partisan and in
>> many cases actively hostile to competing modes of thought, we
>> have every reason to be concerned about the quality of education
>> they produce.
>>
>> And yes, there's fools and partisans who will blame "education"
>> for the problems they see, but it's far more likely that people
>> are reacting quite reasonably to what boils down to an increased
>> tolerance and even encouragement of indoctrination at our
>> colleges and universities.
>>
> Spot on.
>
> Bob Harper

Pup, please get out of the way.
We're on the cusp of a new defense of capitalism and free market.
It's only the 1783d time this happened!

On 8/14/2022 4:48 PM, Herman wrote:
> Pup, please get out of the way.
> We're on the cusp of a new defense of capitalism and free market.
> It's only the 1783d time this happened!

It can not happen often enough.

On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 06:07:24 UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 8/14/2022 3:49 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 8/14/2022 3:23 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:46:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Every great cause starts out as a
> >>>> movement, degenerates into a
> >>>> business, and ends up a racket.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric Hoffer
> >>>
> >>> This is the first intelligent quote you
> >>> ever posted in this forum. It also
> >>> applies to r.m.c.r. astoundingly
> >>> well!
> >>
> >> Almost every statement that begins
> >> with the word "every"is false.
> >
> > Please provide a counter example to
> > Hoffer's quote. Otherwise, we can all
> > say every statement that starts with
> > almost is an attempt to duck the issue.
> >
> > dk
> You can say whatever you want, as can I. If we want to consider capitalism a "cause" (I prefer to think of it as the other side of the coin of freedom), I do not believe it has "degenerated" into a business or has become a "racket." Corruption exists, of course; there are criminals and we deal with them the best we can. But most corruption in so-called capitalist (mostly free) systems is caused by government interference. I know exactly who will respond with exactly what counter-arguments to this and I will not respond. Have at it.

Whilst others find your arguments similarly boring, unwise, fixed, unbending, rigid and wholly predictable, hence not worth the bother replying.

Ray Hall, Taree

On 8/14/22 1:48 PM, Herman wrote:
> Pup, please get out of the way.
> We're on the cusp of a new defense of capitalism and free market.
> It's only the 1783d time this happened!

It's 1783 again? So here comes metric time, revolutionary massacres,
Brissot's revolutionary ideology that France must invade all the world
and kill everyone who isn't a Republican? Oh yeah, Marx celebrated this
as the capitalist revolution, congratulating these Free Market types for
being so violent and censorious! Skepticism of the revolution is always
warranted.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 10:23:46 AM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On 8/14/22 1:48 PM, Herman wrote:
> > Pup, please get out of the way.
> > We're on the cusp of a new defense of capitalism and
> > free market. It's only the 1783d time this happened!
>
> It's 1783 again? So here comes metric time, revolutionary
> massacres, Brissot's revolutionary ideology that France
> must invade all the world

In fairness this is what the French thought all the time. It
didn't start in 1783. France invaded Italy, Spain, Belgium
and the Netherlands many times before that, and even
England in 1066. It is a habit as strong as the urge to
eat escargots, cuisses de grenouille, and camembert
pourri.

> and kill everyone who isn't a Republican? Oh yeah,
> Marx celebrated this as the capitalist revolution,
> congratulating these Free Market types for being
> so violent and censorious! Skepticism of the
> revolution is always warranted.

Looking back through history, every revolution
maimed or killed more people then did all the
regimes they replaced.

dk

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looking back through history, every revolution
> maimed or killed more people then did all the
> regimes they replaced.
>
I bet you've got the numbers to back this up?
You wouldn't want to make crazy claims all of a sudden.

In article <12dabec0-9157-4758-83f0-f760a6d6124en@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I bet you've got the numbers to back this up?
>You wouldn't want to make crazy claims all of a sudden.

You could stop encouraging him....

On 8/16/2022 1:32 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 10:23:46 AM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
>> On 8/14/22 1:48 PM, Herman wrote:
>>> Pup, please get out of the way.
>>> We're on the cusp of a new defense of capitalism and
>>> free market. It's only the 1783d time this happened!
>>
>> It's 1783 again? So here comes metric time, revolutionary
>> massacres, Brissot's revolutionary ideology that France
>> must invade all the world
>
> In fairness this is what the French thought all the time. It
> didn't start in 1783. France invaded Italy, Spain, Belgium
> and the Netherlands many times before that, and even
> England in 1066. It is a habit as strong as the urge to
> eat escargots, cuisses de grenouille, and camembert
> pourri.
>
>> and kill everyone who isn't a Republican? Oh yeah,
>> Marx celebrated this as the capitalist revolution,
>> congratulating these Free Market types for being
>> so violent and censorious! Skepticism of the
>> revolution is always warranted.
>
> Looking back through history, every revolution
> maimed or killed more people then did all the
> regimes they replaced.
>
> dk

That may or may not be true (there's that "every" again), but even so it doesn't necessarily mean that revolution is bad. There is more to life than, well, life.

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:46:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:43:49 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> > On 8/13/22 6:12 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > On 7/29/22 6:08 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qAgmpX6c4U
> > >
> > > Blind linking is akin to click baiting and is offensive.
> > >
> > > The best thing about this link is that it can be read and is not
> > > merely a video.
> > >
> > > Here's the only sensible comment I happened across, I guess
> > > "big think" forgot to delete it, though I guess that "an increased
> > > tolerance" was a typo for "an increased intolerance". So in
> > > diametrical contrast to Rushdie's thesis that "criticism of education
> > > is an attack on the idea of education itself":
> > >
> > > I suspect reasonable people are far more against the growing
> > > trend of education being replaced with activism than they are
> > > against the idea of education itself.
> > >
> > > So long as the majority of institutions founded to help people
> > > understand the world better are ideologically partisan and in
> > > many cases actively hostile to competing modes of thought, we
> > > have every reason to be concerned about the quality of education
> > > they produce.
> > >
> > > And yes, there's fools and partisans who will blame "education"
> > > for the problems they see, but it's far more likely that people
> > > are reacting quite reasonably to what boils down to an increased
> > > tolerance and even encouragement of indoctrination at our
> > > colleges and universities.
> > >
> > Spot on.
> >
> > Bob Harper
> - Every great cause starts out as a movement, degenerates into a business, and ends up a racket.
>
> Eric Hoffer

- Today we have a health insurance industry where the first and foremost goal is to maximize profits for shareholders and CEOs, not to cover patients who have fallen ill or to compensate doctors and hospitals for their services. It is an industry that is increasingly concentrated and where Americans are paying more to receive less.

Dianne Feinstein