On Thursday, October 28, 2010 at 8:31:34 PM UTC+1, SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT wrote:
> "Miguel Montfort" <op...@web.de> schreef in bericht
> news:4cc7d438$0$6882$9b4e...@newsspool2.arcor-online.net...
> >> Steve Emerson wrote:
> >>
> >>>> When are you going to solve the mystery?
> >>>
> >>> Pending anything further from Howard, Henk, or others
> >>> -- in the next day or so.
> >>
> >> I do seem to hear some Bashkirov in �Minstrels�, not that
> >> sure about �Danseuses de Delphes� though ...
> >>
> >> Miguel
> >
> > It's not Bashkirov, at least not his recording of some of the preludes on
> > a Melodiya LP. The mystery pianist plays the Danseuses far slower than
> > Bashkirov does. Besides, there is the full and warm tone of our mystery
> > guest ... I'm really looking forward to hear who she or he is.
> So it was Bashkirov! Congratularions!
> Henk

Just resurrecting this for two reasons

1. I’m interested in Debussy Preludes 2 (once every 12 years it seems!)

2. Reading it I was reminded of what rmcr was like. What scared them all away?

> 1. I’m interested in Debussy Preludes 2 (once every 12 years it seems!)
>
> 2. Reading it I was reminded of what rmcr was like. What scared them all away?

RMCR was a truly remarkable newsgroup. We won't see its like again, but we soldier on.

Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me. Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and Casadesus was frankly poor.

Those are the ones I possess. I might go on YT and add some more - maybe!

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>
> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> maybe!

Jean-Rodolphe Kars.

dk

On 2022-09-22 12:13 p.m., Andy Evans wrote:
>> 1. I’m interested in Debussy Preludes 2 (once every 12 years it seems!)
>>
>> 2. Reading it I was reminded of what rmcr was like. What scared them all away?
>
> RMCR was a truly remarkable newsgroup. We won't see its like again, but we soldier on.
>
> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me. Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and Casadesus was frankly poor.
>
> Those are the ones I possess. I might go on YT and add some more - maybe!

Peter Frankl.

On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>
>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
>> maybe!
>
> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
>
> dk

Why couldn't he have been a pianist-priest instead of just a priest?

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>
> >> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> >> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> >> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> >> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> >> maybe!
> >
> > Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
>
> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
> priest instead of just a priest?

https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/

dk

On 9/22/2022 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
>>>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
>>>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
>>>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
>>>> maybe!
>>>
>>> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
>>
>> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
>> priest instead of just a priest?
>
> https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/
>
> dk

I can't help feeling a loss for the Jewish people and music lovers. Nevertheless I hope he is happy and fulfilled.

I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted in outreach, what would have happened?

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:29:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 9/22/2022 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> >>>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> >>>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> >>>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> >>>> maybe!
> >>>
> >>> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
> >>
> >> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
> >> priest instead of just a priest?
> >
> > https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/
>
> I can't help feeling a loss for the Jewish people
> and music lovers. Nevertheless I hope he is
> happy and fulfilled.
>
> I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted
> in outreach, what would have happened?

Jews and Rabbies tend to keep low profiles
in France. It is still a profoundly anti-semitic
country, even though in a relatively "civlized"
manner.

dk

There’s a couple of pieces from Bk 2 on one of Sofronitsky’s Scriabin Museum CDs. Terrible piano and rubbish sound, amazing concert! It’s with some Liszt, it was a good night for Sofronitsky.

There’s a Michelangeli BK 2 from Stuttgart in 1982 which I think is exceptional, appalling sound, an Aura CD.

On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:29:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 9/22/2022 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
>>>>>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
>>>>>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
>>>>>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
>>>>>> maybe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
>>>>
>>>> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
>>>> priest instead of just a priest?
>>>
>>> https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/
>>
>> I can't help feeling a loss for the Jewish people
>> and music lovers. Nevertheless I hope he is
>> happy and fulfilled.
>>
>> I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted
>> in outreach, what would have happened?
>
> Jews and Rabbies tend to keep low profiles
> in France. It is still a profoundly anti-semitic
> country, even though in a relatively "civlized"
> manner.
>
> dk

Chabad is everywhere. The spelling of Rabbis is not Rabbies. The antisemitsm among many French Arabs (citizens or not I do not know) is often not civilized.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:29:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 9/22/2022 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> >>>>>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> >>>>>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> >>>>>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> >>>>>> maybe!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
> >>>> priest instead of just a priest?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/
> >>
> >> I can't help feeling a loss for the Jewish people
> >> and music lovers. Nevertheless I hope he is
> >> happy and fulfilled.
> >>
> >> I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted
> >> in outreach, what would have happened?
> >
> > Jews and Rabbies tend to keep low profiles
> > in France. It is still a profoundly anti-semitic
> > country, even though in a relatively "civlized"
> > manner.
>
> Chabad is everywhere.

Sorry to hear.

> The spelling of Rabbis is not Rabbies.

I was taught by my English teachers the plural of
words ending in .../i or .../y is .../ies. As one sees
in baby/babies, /buddy/buddies, dummy/dummies,
memory/memories or story/stories. Perhaps US
usage is different.

> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
> civilized.

I was referring to the broader population, which
includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?

dk

I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes. That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
>
> I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes.

?!? Really ?!?

> That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.

Do you ever listen to real pianists?

dk

On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 18:01:18 UTC+10, Mandryka wrote:
> I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes. That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.

Thompson is the pianist I have for all Debussy and Ravel, and I am pleased with the results too.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:37:32 AM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 18:01:18 UTC+10, Mandryka wrote:
> >
> > I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes.
> > That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.
>
> Thompson is the pianist I have for all Debussy and Ravel,
> and I am pleased with the results too.

VERY AVERAGE !!!

dk

Did some listening on YT. Kars is kind of interesting but too slow in parts of the music, so not for me.

Fergus-Thompson and Frankl were not interesting to me. I'd rather listen to Pollini, though not a top choice.

I've never understood what Zimerman does with music, and that's true here as well.

The sound in Michelangeli's live concert is quite good enough for me so it joins Richter and Jacobs. He also issued a DG recording which isn't quite as good, but still one of the top ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGxUnT3bt7c&t=79s

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:21:57 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> Did some listening on YT. Kars is kind of interesting but too slow in parts of the music, so not for me.
>
> Fergus-Thompson and Frankl were not interesting to me. I'd rather listen to Pollini, though not a top choice.
>
> I've never understood what Zimerman does with music, and that's true here as well.
>
> The sound in Michelangeli's live concert is quite good enough for me so it joins Richter and Jacobs. He also issued a DG recording which isn't quite as good, but still one of the top ones.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGxUnT3bt7c&t=79s

Pollini is a top choice for me. Not the studio recording so much, but in a concert recital from 2004, there’s some dispute about where it happened, possibly Munich, possibly Amsterdam. I can let you have it if you want.

I think Michelangeli live is worth hearing there, for sure.

Anyone here enjoy Arrau in Bk 2?

Oh by the way, there is another very good one which I can share privately, it’s outstanding. By Richard Goode, a concert recording. I’d like to see him in concert.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 9:37:32 AM UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 18:01:18 UTC+10, Mandryka wrote:
> > I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes. That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.
> Thompson is the pianist I have for all Debussy and Ravel, and I am pleased with the results too.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

yes it’s very good but . . . there’s a but coming . . . it really doesn’t efface the memory of Richter and Pollini and Goode live. So not “top tier” for me.

On 9/23/2022 12:23 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:29:28 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2022 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
>>>>>>>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
>>>>>>>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
>>>>>>>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
>>>>>>>> maybe!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
>>>>>> priest instead of just a priest?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/
>>>>
>>>> I can't help feeling a loss for the Jewish people
>>>> and music lovers. Nevertheless I hope he is
>>>> happy and fulfilled.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted
>>>> in outreach, what would have happened?
>>>
>>> Jews and Rabbies tend to keep low profiles
>>> in France. It is still a profoundly anti-semitic
>>> country, even though in a relatively "civlized"
>>> manner.
>>
>> Chabad is everywhere.
>
> Sorry to hear.
>
>> The spelling of Rabbis is not Rabbies.
>
> I was taught by my English teachers the plural of
> words ending in .../i or .../y is .../ies. As one sees
> in baby/babies, /buddy/buddies, dummy/dummies,
> memory/memories or story/stories. Perhaps US
> usage is different.
>

I find it hard to believe you don't know the plural of rabbi. I believe you are making fun deliberately.

>> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
>> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
>> civilized.
>
> I was referring to the broader population, which
> includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
> the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?
>
> dk

I know what you were referring to. I wanted to put the situation of the Jews in France into a more realistic context.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:36:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 9/23/2022 12:23 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>
> >> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
> >> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
> >> civilized.
> >
> > I was referring to the broader population, which
> > includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
> > the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?
>
> I know what you were referring to. I wanted to
> put the situation of the Jews in France into a
> more realistic context.

The Jews in France are in danger and they know it.
There is more immigration to Israel from France
than from any other Western country.

All Catholic majority countries are and have been
fundamentally anti-Semitic forever, just as all the
Protestant majority countries.

The main reason the US is less anti-Semitic than
Europe is that neither Catholics nor Protestants
are a majority.

dk

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:36:00 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:36:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 9/23/2022 12:23 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > >> On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
> > >> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
> > >> civilized.
> > >
> > > I was referring to the broader population, which
> > > includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
> > > the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?
> >
> > I know what you were referring to. I wanted to
> > put the situation of the Jews in France into a
> > more realistic context.
> The Jews in France are in danger and they know it.
> There is more immigration to Israel from France
> than from any other Western country.
>
> All Catholic majority countries are and have been
> fundamentally anti-Semitic forever, just as all the
> Protestant majority countries.
>
> The main reason the US is less anti-Semitic than
> Europe is that neither Catholics nor Protestants
> are a majority.
>
> dk

Like everything you say and write this is total ignorant bullshit.
There is more US to Israel immigration than from France.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-israel-by-country-of-origin

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:13:22 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:36:00 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:36:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > On 9/23/2022 12:23 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > >> On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
> > > >> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
> > > >> civilized.
> > > >
> > > > I was referring to the broader population, which
> > > > includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
> > > > the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?
> > >
> > > I know what you were referring to. I wanted to
> > > put the situation of the Jews in France into a
> > > more realistic context.
> > The Jews in France are in danger and they know it.
> > There is more immigration to Israel from France
> > than from any other Western country.
> >
> > All Catholic majority countries are and have been
> > fundamentally anti-Semitic forever, just as all the
> > Protestant majority countries.
> >
> > The main reason the US is less anti-Semitic than
> > Europe is that neither Catholics nor Protestants
> > are a majority.
>
> Like everything you say and write this is total ignorant bullshit.
> There is more US to Israel immigration than from France.
>
> https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-israel-by-country-of-origin

Not per capita. Unnormalized metrics are meaningless.
However one cannot expect fiddlers to understand math
or statistics.

dk

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 8:41:12 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:13:22 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 1:36:00 AM UTC+2, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:36:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > On 9/23/2022 12:23 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > >> On 9/22/2022 10:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
> > > > >> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
> > > > >> civilized.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was referring to the broader population, which
> > > > > includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
> > > > > the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?
> > > >
> > > > I know what you were referring to. I wanted to
> > > > put the situation of the Jews in France into a
> > > > more realistic context.
> > > The Jews in France are in danger and they know it.
> > > There is more immigration to Israel from France
> > > than from any other Western country.
> > >
> > > All Catholic majority countries are and have been
> > > fundamentally anti-Semitic forever, just as all the
> > > Protestant majority countries.
> > >
> > > The main reason the US is less anti-Semitic than
> > > Europe is that neither Catholics nor Protestants
> > > are a majority.
> >
> > Like everything you say and write this is total ignorant bullshit.
> > There is more US to Israel immigration than from France.
> >
> > https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-israel-by-country-of-origin
>
> Not per capita. Unnormalized metrics are meaningless.
> However one cannot expect fiddlers to understand math
> or statistics.

The source you quote shows 80k from France vs. 120k
from the USA. France's total population is around 80M
while the USA's is around 330M. Jewish population in
France is currently below 500k, while in the USA it is
over 7M. I trust you know how to calculate ratios and
percentages.

dk