There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0

Enjoy!

dk

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
>
> Enjoy!
>
> dk

Richter/Wislocki?

George

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
>
> Richter/Wislocki?

Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.

As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.

If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!

Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?

Thanks!

dk

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:18:25 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> > >
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> >
> > Richter/Wislocki?
>
> Nope, Richter's approach
> to the work was different.
>
> As I said so many times
> already, I am not looking
> for answers to quizzes. I
> am interested in hearing
> how people listen and in
> finding out what they like
> and what they don't.
>
> If you want to treat this
> as a quiz, have at it, but
> this is not my goal. You
> didn't even say if you
> liked it!
>
> Did you like it? If so,
> why? If not, why?

If one listens carefully one
doesn't fail to notice this is
a broader, more inflected
reading than Richter's.

dk

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:32:57 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:18:25 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > > > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > > > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Richter/Wislocki?
> >
> > Nope, Richter's approach
> > to the work was different.
> >
> > As I said so many times
> > already, I am not looking
> > for answers to quizzes. I
> > am interested in hearing
> > how people listen and in
> > finding out what they like
> > and what they don't.
> >
> > If you want to treat this
> > as a quiz, have at it, but
> > this is not my goal. You
> > didn't even say if you
> > liked it!
> >
> > Did you like it? If so,
> > why? If not, why?
>
> If one listens carefully one
> doesn't fail to notice this is
> a broader, more inflected
> reading than Richter's.

Not to mention this is a live
performance with plenty of
audible coughs, while Richter/
Wislocki is a studio recording.

dk

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:18:25 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> As I said so many times
> already, I am not looking
> for answers to quizzes. I
> am interested in hearing
> how people listen and in
> finding out what they like
> and what they don't.
>
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:19:21 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> Why do you care about people's "thoughts"?
> Every person hears, listens and experiences
> music differently -- such experiences cannot
> be shared with others in writing. As my friend
> Clara likes to say, "talking about music is like
> dancing about architecture".
>
What a difference a day makes...

Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> There is no shortage of excellent versions of
>>> Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
>>> however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
>>
>> Richter/Wislocki?
>
> Nope, Richter's approach
> to the work was different.
>
> As I said so many times
> already, I am not looking
> for answers to quizzes. I
> am interested in hearing
> how people listen and in
> finding out what they like
> and what they don't.
>
> If you want to treat this
> as a quiz, have at it, but
> this is not my goal. You
> didn't even say if you
> liked it!
>
> Did you like it? If so,
> why? If not, why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> dk

Why should people listen to all quizzes you post and to all Youtube
videos behind all the URLs you post?
Why should people give their opinions and thoughts while you don't care
about people's "thoughts"?

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:48:55 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
> >> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> >>> Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> >>> however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> >>
> >> Richter/Wislocki?
> >
> > Nope, Richter's approach
> > to the work was different.
> >
> > As I said so many times
> > already, I am not looking
> > for answers to quizzes. I
> > am interested in hearing
> > how people listen and in
> > finding out what they like
> > and what they don't.
> >
> > If you want to treat this
> > as a quiz, have at it, but
> > this is not my goal. You
> > didn't even say if you
> > liked it!
> >
> > Did you like it? If so,
> > why? If not, why?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Why should people listen to
> all quizzes you post and to

These are not "quizzes", as I
said often, and no one HAS
to listen to anything one is
not interested in hearing.

You clearly cannot read or
connect the words. This ng
is a free open forum. You,
Herman and Melmoth seem
to think it is a classroom
where everybody works
on the same assignment.

> all Youtube videos behind
> all the URLs you post? Why
> should people give their
> opinions and thoughts

As I said so often, feel
free to ignore anything
you are not interested
in.

> while you don't care
> about people's "thoughts"?

Nope. You clearly cannot
read. I don't care about
normative prescriptive
opinions drawn from
shared belief systems.

I am quite interested in
learning how people
listen to music and
understanding what
moves them. This
neither implies nor
required agreement.

If cannot figure all
this out by yourself
you should return to
your kindergarten
-- there is a potty
waiting for you
right there!

dk

Op 2022-12-16 om 12:06 schreef Dan Koren:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:48:55 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
>> Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no shortage of excellent versions of
>>>>> Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
>>>>> however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
>>>>
>>>> Richter/Wislocki?
>>>
>>> Nope, Richter's approach
>>> to the work was different.
>>>
>>> As I said so many times
>>> already, I am not looking
>>> for answers to quizzes. I
>>> am interested in hearing
>>> how people listen and in
>>> finding out what they like
>>> and what they don't.
>>>
>>> If you want to treat this
>>> as a quiz, have at it, but
>>> this is not my goal. You
>>> didn't even say if you
>>> liked it!
>>>
>>> Did you like it? If so,
>>> why? If not, why?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> Why should people listen to
>> all quizzes you post and to
>
> These are not "quizzes", as I
> said often, and no one HAS
> to listen to anything one is
> not interested in hearing.
>
> You clearly cannot read or
> connect the words. This ng
> is a free open forum. You,
> Herman and Melmoth seem
> to think it is a classroom
> where everybody works
> on the same assignment.
>
>> all Youtube videos behind
>> all the URLs you post? Why
>> should people give their
>> opinions and thoughts
>
> As I said so often, feel
> free to ignore anything
> you are not interested
> in.
>
>> while you don't care
>> about people's "thoughts"?
>
> Nope. You clearly cannot
> read. I don't care about
> normative prescriptive
> opinions drawn from
> shared belief systems.
>
> I am quite interested in
> learning how people
> listen to music and
> understanding what
> moves them. This
> neither implies nor
> required agreement.

Nonsense. You're only interested in scolding people.

>
> If cannot figure all
> this out by yourself
> you should return to
> your kindergarten
> -- there is a potty
> waiting for you
> right there!
>
> dk

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:20:07 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-12-16 om 12:06 schreef Dan Koren:
> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:48:55 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
> >> Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
> >>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> >>>>> Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> >>>>> however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> >>>>
> >>>> Richter/Wislocki?
> >>>
> >>> Nope, Richter's approach
> >>> to the work was different.
> >>>
> >>> As I said so many times
> >>> already, I am not looking
> >>> for answers to quizzes. I
> >>> am interested in hearing
> >>> how people listen and in
> >>> finding out what they like
> >>> and what they don't.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to treat this
> >>> as a quiz, have at it, but
> >>> this is not my goal. You
> >>> didn't even say if you
> >>> liked it!
> >>>
> >>> Did you like it? If so,
> >>> why? If not, why?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Why should people listen to
> >> all quizzes you post and to
> >
> > These are not "quizzes", as I
> > said often, and no one HAS
> > to listen to anything one is
> > not interested in hearing.
> >
> > You clearly cannot read or
> > connect the words. This ng
> > is a free open forum. You,
> > Herman and Melmoth seem
> > to think it is a classroom
> > where everybody works
> > on the same assignment.
> >
> >> all Youtube videos behind
> >> all the URLs you post? Why
> >> should people give their
> >> opinions and thoughts
> >
> > As I said so often, feel
> > free to ignore anything
> > you are not interested
> > in.
> >
> >> while you don't care
> >> about people's "thoughts"?
> >
> > Nope. You clearly cannot
> > read. I don't care about
> > normative prescriptive
> > opinions drawn from
> > shared belief systems.
> >
> > I am quite interested in
> > learning how people
> > listen to music and
> > understanding what
> > moves them. This
> > neither implies nor
> > required agreement.
>
> Nonsense. You're only interested in scolding people.
>

When and only if they deserve it.
It is not unreasonable to expect
people engaging in discussions
in this ng to understand English
and to be able to think at least
at grade school level.

dk

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:20:07 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
> Op 2022-12-16 om 12:06 schreef Dan Koren:

> >
> > I am quite interested in
> > learning how people
> > listen to music and
> > understanding what
> > moves them. This
> > neither implies nor
> > required agreement.
>
> Nonsense. You're only interested in scolding people.
>
C'mon, Gerard. Be a little more generous. DK is very very interested..... in his own thoughts.

No one here dances as emphatically and expansively about architecture as DK.

Just think how many times he has reiterated that bon mot / cliche here.

And in the end there is always the all caps abuse.

Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> >
> > Enjoy!

Since question marks have been placed by the wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery pianists, I won't mention her name ... But it's a great live performance, often like no other.

Henk

Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 14:12:13 UTC+1 schreef HT:
> Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> > >
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> Since question marks have been placed by the wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery pianists, I won't mention her name ... But it's a great live performance, often like no other.
>
> Henk

by the wokeness ...--> over the wokeness of ...

Henk

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:12:13 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> > >
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> > >
>
> Since question marks have been placed by the
> wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery
> pianists,

Not sure I understand the reference, but thanks
for chiming in anyway. I really appreciate it. As
I don't know Dutch, I have to ask who/what is
Zwarte Piet.

> I won't mention her name ... But it's a great
> live performance, often like no other.

Thanks! Can you put your finger on what you
like in this performance in particular? From
my perspective, the second movement is
almost hypnotic in the way time is bended
and suspended. It is difficult for me to even
imagine how can one pull this off in a solo
performance, and much less so playing
with a full orchestra and another person
conducting.

Thanks!

dk

Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 17:44:42 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:12:13 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > > > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > > > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> > > >

> Not sure I understand the reference, but thanks
> for chiming in anyway. I really appreciate it. As
> I don't know Dutch, I have to ask who/what is
> Zwarte Piet.

My apologies. Haven't given it enough thought.

In my younger years (before 1990), it was tradition in my family to 'receive' on 5 December a surprise with a poem from St Nicholas, a Spanish bishop. The bishop's helpers had black faces and were called Black Pete.

Many still celebrate this birthday, although there is much criticism of Black Pete.

> Thanks! Can you put your finger on what you
> like in this performance in particular? From
> my perspective, the second movement is
> almost hypnotic in the way time is bended
> and suspended. It is difficult for me to even
> imagine how can one pull this off in a solo
> performance, and much less so playing
> with a full orchestra and another person
> conducting.

In all three movements, there are passages where she seems to slow down and/or single out moments, without hindering the flow of the concerto as a whole.

Henk

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:44:42 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:12:13 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > There is no shortage of excellent versions of
> > > > Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
> > > > however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
> > > >
> >
> > Since question marks have been placed by the
> > wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery
> > pianists,
> Not sure I understand the reference, but thanks
> for chiming in anyway. I really appreciate it. As
> I don't know Dutch, I have to ask who/what is
> Zwarte Piet.
> > I won't mention her name ... But it's a great
> > live performance, often like no other.
> Thanks! Can you put your finger on what you
> like in this performance in particular? From
> my perspective, the second movement is
> almost hypnotic in the way time is bended
> and suspended. It is difficult for me to even
> imagine how can one pull this off in a solo
> performance, and much less so playing
> with a full orchestra and another person
> conducting.
>
> Thanks!

my favorite is Wild--Horenstein

AB

Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps going too far" I didn't from then on. I liked the way the broadening returned in the third movement, where in context it was quite effective.

I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces. But seemed like a winning performance to me.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-6, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps going too far" I didn't from then on. I liked the way the broadening returned in the third movement, where in context it was quite effective.
>
> I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces. But seemed like a winning performance to me.

By the way, returning to the thread, the middle movement was also completely effective.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-6, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to
> > the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners
> > are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and
> > while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps
> > going too far" I didn't from then on. I liked the way the
> > broadening returned in the third movement, where in
> > context it was quite effective.
> >
> > I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in

Neither do I.

> > this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be
> > because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity
> > over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces.
> > But seemed like a winning performance to me.

I find it quite addictive. It makes me feel as dizzy
as looking down from the top of the CN tower ;-)

The never ending tempo changes could make
sailors throw up! ;-)

> By the way, returning to the thread, the middle
> movement was also completely effective.

Thanks for listening and for thoughtful comments.

dk

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:16:13 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-6, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to
> > > the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners
> > > are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and
> > > while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps
> > > going too far" I didn't from then on. I liked the way the
> > > broadening returned in the third movement, where in
> > > context it was quite effective.
> > >
> > > I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in
> Neither do I.
> > > this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be
> > > because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity
> > > over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces.
> > > But seemed like a winning performance to me.
> I find it quite addictive. It makes me feel as dizzy
> as looking down from the top of the CN tower ;-)
>
> The never ending tempo changes could make
> sailors throw up! ;-)
> > By the way, returning to the thread, the middle
> > movement was also completely effective.
> Thanks for listening and for thoughtful comments.
>
> dk

I'm all for more discussions like this. Schaeffer could be a dick, but it was always interesting when he flagged a recording he thought was interesting.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:24:36 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm all for more discussions like this. Schaeffer
> could be a dick, but it was always interesting
> when he flagged a recording he thought was
> interesting.

Who is/was Schaeffer?

Thx

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Who is/was Schaeffer?
>
MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
A former double-bass player in German orchestras who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..
His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately, his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated by the fact that he was German and thus was often called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a highly knowledgable former musician. All professional music people have left this group pushed out by the know-it-alls.
Alas he died a couple of years ago.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:46:48 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Who is/was Schaeffer?
> >
> MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
> A former double-bass player in German orchestras
> who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..

Thanks for the explanation.

> His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately,

What was his forum? Did he post in r.m.c.r.?

> his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated
> by the fact that he was German and thus was often
> called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a
> highly knowledgable former musician. All professional
> music people have left this group pushed out by the
> know-it-alls.

In every walk of life there seems to be an unbridgeable
gap between professionals and lay people. I ran into
this problem almost every day.

dk

On Saturday, January 29, 2011 at 8:21:38 PM UTC+1, M forever wrote:

> Norrington overdoes it a little bit with his strictly no vibrato
> "policy", both in his statements and in his performances. I think he
> also tends to overdo the "rhetoric" phrasing and he applies the same
> basic kind of highly declamatory and detailed phrasing to everything
> he conducts.
> HOWEVER - I have to say that most I what I have heard from what he did
> with the RSO Stuttgart was exceptionally well prepared and played.
> Obviously, very great care was taken with regard to phrasing,
> articulation, balancing, clarity of textures and intonation. By which
> I mean not just playing "in tune" which is a little more difficult
> without vibrato, but also non-equalized thirds to bring out the
> character of some chords better, e.g. at the end of the first movement
> of Tchaikovsky 6, the brass chorale sounds amazing - I have never
> heard it sound that good and so colorful. There is a lot of inner
> detail which I have never before heard in such relief.
> The whole performance is highly interesting. Somewhat odd, in the
> complete lack of vibrato and the in some places overdone "baroqeuish"
> rhetoric phrasing, but from a technical and musical point of view
> extremely well done and therefore an interesting "concept"
> performance, an interesting "what if" experiment and therefore
> definitely worth hearing.
> Oh yes, and Norrington's placement of the violins separated left and
> right brings out the interesting antiphonal writing in the 4th
> movement. You can hear the main theme "sway" from left to right and
> back. That effect is lost in all performances which put the violins
> all on one side.
> BTW, Norrington apparently did not use a smallish orchestra for his
> Brahms symphonies. In fact, in some Youtube videos you can even see
> that he used doubled woodwinds.

In article <3cfcad45-2e71-4ac2-889b-452c5bf526a3n@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>C'mon, Gerard. Be a little more generous. DK is very very
>interested..... in his own thoughts.

Not reading his posts anymore, I have to say, even more of the
obnoxiousness around here originates with DK than I'd realized. I
used to think you were exaggerating his toxic qualities, but I stand
corrected.