On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,

You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)

> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.

Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.

> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> -- masses.
>
> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?

Sounds like a quote from Oscar.

dk

On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
>
> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
>
>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
>
> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
>
>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
>> -- masses.
>>
>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
>
> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
>
> dk

Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.

On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
> >
> > You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
> >
> >> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> >> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> >> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
> >
> > Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> > Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> > was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> > what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
> >
> >> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> >> -- masses.
> >>
> >> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
> >
> > Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
> >
> > dk
> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.

Who then has said this?

Ray Hall, Taree

On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
>>>
>>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
>>>
>>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
>>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
>>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
>>>
>>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
>>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
>>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
>>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
>>>
>>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
>>>> -- masses.
>>>>
>>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
>>>
>>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
>>>
>>> dk
>> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
>
> Who then has said this?
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.

On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 16:09:02 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
I may well have said this.

> >>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
> >>>
> >>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> >>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> >>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> >>>
> >>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> >>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> >>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> >>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> >>>
> >>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> >>>> -- masses.
> >>>>
> >>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
> >>>
> >>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
> >>>
> >>> dk
> >> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
> >
> > Who then has said this?
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.

You have made no point. All you have done is drag a previous post of mine, whilst replying to someone else, and create a lie. What a sick and perverted bastard you are. A piece of pure excrement.
From now on, unless I get an apology, I will drag previous comments from any one of your posts, and reply accordingly, whether you are aware or not, at any time, whenever I choose.
Your choice.
As for science, you are too thick to understand even the basics.

Ray Hall, Taree

On 2/5/2023 12:34 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 16:09:02 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
> I may well have said this.
>
>>>>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
>>>>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
>>>>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
>>>>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
>>>>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
>>>>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
>>>>>> -- masses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
>>>>>
>>>>> dk
>>>> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
>>>
>>> Who then has said this?
>>>
>>> Ray Hall, Taree
>> I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.
>
> You have made no point. All you have done is drag a previous post of mine, whilst replying to someone else, and create a lie. What a sick and perverted bastard you are. A piece of pure excrement.
> From now on, unless I get an apology, I will drag previous comments from any one of your posts, and reply accordingly, whether you are aware or not, at any time, whenever I choose.
> Your choice.
> As for science, you are too thick to understand even the basics.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree

Do you really think this response is appropriate for an honest mistake? I attributed something Dan said to you by mistake. This makes me excrement? I made a mistake. You are the nastiest person I've ever encountered. An apology is not necessary.

On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 00:26:41 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/5/2023 12:34 AM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 16:09:02 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
> > I may well have said this.
> >
> >>>>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> >>>>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> >>>>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
> > WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> >>>>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> >>>>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> >>>>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
> > WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> >>>>>> -- masses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> dk
> >>>> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
> >>>
> >>> Who then has said this?
> >>>
> >>> Ray Hall, Taree
> >> I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.
> >
> > You have made no point. All you have done is drag a previous post of mine, whilst replying to someone else, and create a lie. What a sick and perverted bastard you are. A piece of pure excrement.
> > From now on, unless I get an apology, I will drag previous comments from any one of your posts, and reply accordingly, whether you are aware or not, at any time, whenever I choose.
> > Your choice.
> > As for science, you are too thick to understand even the basics.
> >
> > Ray Hall, Taree
> Do you really think this response is appropriate for an honest mistake? I attributed something Dan said to you by mistake. This makes me excrement? I made a mistake. You are the nastiest person I've ever encountered. An apology is not necessary.

You were quick to say you had proved your point, whatever that was, when I questioned you about it. I think I am entitled to explode when text is being used carelessly, and accusations made, in a thread I am not even participating in. I therefore lost it. Mea culpa.

Ray Hall, Taree

On 2/5/2023 7:13 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 00:26:41 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/5/2023 12:34 AM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 16:09:02 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
>>> I may well have said this.
>>>
>>>>>>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
>>>>>>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
>>>>>>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
>>> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
>>>>>>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
>>>>>>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
>>>>>>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
>>> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
>>>>>>>> -- masses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dk
>>>>>> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who then has said this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray Hall, Taree
>>>> I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.
>>>
>>> You have made no point. All you have done is drag a previous post of mine, whilst replying to someone else, and create a lie. What a sick and perverted bastard you are. A piece of pure excrement.
>>> From now on, unless I get an apology, I will drag previous comments from any one of your posts, and reply accordingly, whether you are aware or not, at any time, whenever I choose.
>>> Your choice.
>>> As for science, you are too thick to understand even the basics.
>>>
>>> Ray Hall, Taree
>> Do you really think this response is appropriate for an honest mistake? I attributed something Dan said to you by mistake. This makes me excrement? I made a mistake. You are the nastiest person I've ever encountered. An apology is not necessary.
>
> You were quick to say you had proved your point, whatever that was, when I questioned you about it.

What part of mistake did you not understand?

I think I am entitled to explode when text is being used carelessly, and accusations made, in a thread I am not even participating in. I therefore lost it. Mea culpa.
>

If that is an apology, I accept.
If a person should apologize for making an honest mistake (I always wondered about that), then I apologize.

The fact remains that to people you don't like or whose views or whatever you don't like you are the nastiest person I've ever personally encountered.

> Ray Hall, Taree
>
>

On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 14:44:19 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/5/2023 7:13 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 00:26:41 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 2/5/2023 12:34 AM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 16:09:02 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>> On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
> >>> I may well have said this.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> >>>>>>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> >>>>>>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
> >>> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> >>>>>>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> >>>>>>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> >>>>>>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
> >>> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> >>>>>>>> -- masses.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> dk
> >>>>>> Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who then has said this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray Hall, Taree
> >>>> I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.
> >>>
> >>> You have made no point. All you have done is drag a previous post of mine, whilst replying to someone else, and create a lie. What a sick and perverted bastard you are. A piece of pure excrement.
> >>> From now on, unless I get an apology, I will drag previous comments from any one of your posts, and reply accordingly, whether you are aware or not, at any time, whenever I choose.
> >>> Your choice.
> >>> As for science, you are too thick to understand even the basics.
> >>>
> >>> Ray Hall, Taree
> >> Do you really think this response is appropriate for an honest mistake? I attributed something Dan said to you by mistake. This makes me excrement? I made a mistake. You are the nastiest person I've ever encountered. An apology is not necessary.
> >
> > You were quick to say you had proved your point, whatever that was, when I questioned you about it.
> What part of mistake did you not understand?
> I think I am entitled to explode when text is being used carelessly, and accusations made, in a thread I am not even participating in. I therefore lost it. Mea culpa.
> >
> If that is an apology, I accept.

I didn't make one. I am still waiting for yours.

> If a person should apologize for making an honest mistake (I always wondered about that), then I apologize.

Then I accept and apologise in return.
Now best to leave it.

Ray Hall, Taree

On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 21:34:27 -0800, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 16:09:02 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 2/4/2023 10:14 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 13:20:53 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
> I may well have said this.
>
> > > > > You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> > > > > > to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> > > > > > surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> > > > > Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> > > > > was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> > > > > what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
> WHO SAID THIS ??????????
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> > > > > > -- masses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
> > > > >
> > > > > dk
> > > > Except the characterizations are absurd. There are plenty of observant Jews and Muslims who are scientists. I am a member of an orthodox community in Baltimore. Sure there are morons among orthodox Jews as there are among all groups. But to say something like most orthodox Jews reject science is ridiculous. And ignorant.
> > >
> > > Who then has said this?
> > >
> > > Ray Hall, Taree
> > I paraphrased you. If you want to say "reject science" is different than "have no use for science," fine. My point stands.
>
> You have made no point. All you have done is drag a previous post of mine, whilst replying to someone else, and create a lie. What a sick and perverted bastard you are. A piece of pure excrement.
> From now on, unless I get an apology, I will drag previous comments from any one of your posts, and reply accordingly, whether you are aware or not, at any time, whenever I choose.
> Your choice.
> As for science, you are too thick to understand even the basics.

You're blaming Frank for what Dan posted.

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:15:55 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
>
> You're blaming Frank for what Dan posted.

Why not? This sounds fair to me! ;-)

dk

On 2/6/2023 4:17 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:15:55 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
>>
>> You're blaming Frank for what Dan posted.
>
> Why not? This sounds fair to me! ;-)
>
> dk

I'm confused.

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/6/2023 4:17 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:15:55 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
> >>
> >> You're blaming Frank for what Dan posted.
> >
> > Why not? This sounds fair to me! ;-)
>
> I'm confused.

You mean you won't accept
blame for my posts ?!? ;-)

dk

On 2/6/2023 11:56 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/6/2023 4:17 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:15:55 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're blaming Frank for what Dan posted.
>>>
>>> Why not? This sounds fair to me! ;-)
>>
>> I'm confused.
>
> You mean you won't accept
> blame for my posts ?!? ;-)
>
> dk

I thought I attributed something you said to Ray and he went berserk and then apologized. I don't know what accepting blame for your posts has to do with it.

However, I will accept blame for anything and everything if will stop global warming, war, racism and the like, Trump, Biden, massive earthquakes and other natural disasters. wokeism (as defined by the Right), lying for the sake of political gain. Clarifying, I wil accept blame for your posts if it will stop all these things (and anything else i haven't thought of).

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:20:53 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
> >
> > You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
> >
> >> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
> >> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
> >> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
> >
> > Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
> > Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
> > was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
> > what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
> >
> >> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
> >> -- masses.
> >>
> >> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
> >
> > Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
>
> Except the characterizations are absurd.

Yes indeed. I picked this inclination from
Joyce and Beckett.

> There are plenty of observant Jews and
> Muslims who are scientists.

The interesting question is whether their
religion interferes with their science -- or
viceversa.

> I am a member of an orthodox community
> in Baltimore.

Congrats! May you enjoy it to 120!

> Sure there are morons among orthodox
> Jews as there are among all groups.

The morons among other groups do not
bother me as much as our co-nationals.

> But to say something like most orthodox
> Jews reject science is ridiculous.

They do reject *some* of the science.

> And ignorant.

What else could one expect from a
physicist and a software developer? ;-)

Check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMBQwGzn_TE

dk

On 2/7/2023 4:21 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:20:53 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/4/2023 8:51 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The only scholarly articles worth reading are scientific ones,
>>>
>>> You do not advise reading any record reviews ?!? ;-)
>>>
>>>> where in The fields of technology, medicine, work is done
>>>> to promote the Wellbeing of the most. Not for nothing is it
>>>> surprising that science is so despised by the right wing.
>>>
>>> Obviously people who follow the Bible, the Talmud or the
>>> Quran have no need or use for science, since everything
>>> was designed and decided by some deity. Womdering
>>> what "God" thinks about software, AI/ML, and ChatGPT.
>>>
>>>> --The right wing attacks elites, the left wing attacks the
>>>> -- masses.
>>>>
>>>> From where did you rake up the above drivel? Fox News?
>>>
>>> Sounds like a quote from Oscar.
>>
>> Except the characterizations are absurd.
>
> Yes indeed. I picked this inclination from
> Joyce and Beckett.
>
>> There are plenty of observant Jews and
>> Muslims who are scientists.
>
> The interesting question is whether their
> religion interferes with their science -- or
> viceversa.
>
>> I am a member of an orthodox community
>> in Baltimore.
>
> Congrats! May you enjoy it to 120!
>
>> Sure there are morons among orthodox
>> Jews as there are among all groups.
>
> The morons among other groups do not
> bother me as much as our co-nationals.
>
>> But to say something like most orthodox
>> Jews reject science is ridiculous.
>
> They do reject *some* of the science.
>

Again, an incorrect generalization. Many orthodox Jews compartmentalize science vs. religion. They believe the Creation science stories at the same time, some trying to rationalize them and some not caring. It is true that children are often taught by ignorant rebbes, but that is improving, I think.

>> And ignorant.
>
> What else could one expect from a
> physicist and a software developer? ;-)
>
> Check this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMBQwGzn_TE
>
> dk

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 9:50:45 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 2/7/2023 4:21 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:20:53 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>
> >> But to say something like most orthodox
> >> Jews reject science is ridiculous.

Can you explain the scientific basis for not
eating eating pork (so delicious!) and for
not mixing meat and dairy? What is wrong
with Philly burgers from a scientific point of
view -- besides the fact they taste horriblyl
and the cheese melts and drips all over?

> >
> > They do reject *some* of the science.
>
> Again, an incorrect generalization. Many
> orthodox Jews compartmentalize science
> vs. religion. They believe the Creation science
> stories at the same time, some trying to rationalize
> them and some not caring.

Yes they do, but the real question is to what
extent such compartmentalization can be
effective in preventing bias. Einstein was
famously not comfortabe with quantum
mechanics and his argument was "God
does not play dice". Get the idea?

dk

On Wednesday, 8 February 2023 at 08:10:42 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 9:50:45 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> > On 2/7/2023 4:21 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:20:53 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> > >>
> > >> But to say something like most orthodox
> > >> Jews reject science is ridiculous.
> Can you explain the scientific basis for not
> eating eating pork (so delicious!) and for
> not mixing meat and dairy? What is wrong
> with Philly burgers from a scientific point of
> view -- besides the fact they taste horriblyl
> and the cheese melts and drips all over?
> > >
> > > They do reject *some* of the science.
> >
> > Again, an incorrect generalization. Many
> > orthodox Jews compartmentalize science
> > vs. religion. They believe the Creation science
> > stories at the same time, some trying to rationalize
> > them and some not caring.
> Yes they do, but the real question is to what
> extent such compartmentalization can be
> effective in preventing bias. Einstein was
> famously not comfortabe with quantum
> mechanics and his argument was "God
> does not play dice". Get the idea?
>
> dk

For me, most of the major religions represent communions of people, who want to get closer to questions that science cannot answer. Neither can religion, but that isn't the point. Therefore it isn't unusual for many scientists, as well as Einstein, to be religious in some way. Besides, Einstein, after general relativity, needed something to keep him going, and needling Bohr and thus QM for the rest of his life, was that something.

Richard Dawkins and Krauss both represent science very badly with their pathetic attempts to deride religion. I deplore their attempts to deride religion, a comfort for zillions of people over eons of time.

Ray Hall, Taree

In article <a3388721-5f67-4467-a240-4248592cc3ban@googlegroups.com>,
raymond....@gmail.com <raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com> wrote:
>Richard Dawkins and Krauss both represent science very badly with
>their pathetic attempts to deride religion.

Dawkins is a real jerk (& his ideas are stupid too). My girlfiend,
a proud "third generation atheist" out of the UK, very much resents
that he's viewed as some sort of atheist spokesperson....

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 2:30:02 PM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I deplore their attempts to deride religion, a
> comfort for zillions of people over eons of time.

So are/were opium and fentanyl.

dk

On 2/7/2023 4:10 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 9:50:45 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 2/7/2023 4:21 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:20:53 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But to say something like most orthodox
>>>> Jews reject science is ridiculous.
>
> Can you explain the scientific basis for not
> eating eating pork (so delicious!) and for
> not mixing meat and dairy? What is wrong
> with Philly burgers from a scientific point of
> view -- besides the fact they taste horriblyl
> and the cheese melts and drips all over?
>

Who said there is a scientific basis for that? Do you have a favorite color, food that you don't eat? Is there a scientific basis for that?

>>>
>>> They do reject *some* of the science.
>>
>> Again, an incorrect generalization. Many
>> orthodox Jews compartmentalize science
>> vs. religion. They believe the Creation science
>> stories at the same time, some trying to rationalize
>> them and some not caring.
>
> Yes they do, but the real question is to what
> extent such compartmentalization can be
> effective in preventing bias.

Bias by whom against whom or what? Bias against science? Maybe exposure to science creates anti-religious bias (doubt?) within the orthodox community? Bias is not rejection. I absolutely hate these all or nothing type statements. What about all the non religious people who reject Covid vaccination in spite of the almost unanimous support from scientists? Ignorance is everywhere, not just in one community that you like to pick on.

Einstein was
> famously not comfortabe with quantum
> mechanics and his argument was "God
> does not play dice". Get the idea?
>

Not everyone has to be a scientist.

> dk

On 2023-02-07 3:33 p.m., Todd M. McComb wrote:
> In article <a3388721-5f67-4467-a240-4248592cc3ban@googlegroups.com>,
> raymond....@gmail.com <raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Richard Dawkins and Krauss both represent science very badly with
>> their pathetic attempts to deride religion.
>
> Dawkins is a real jerk (& his ideas are stupid too).

Really? Which ones?

In article <kCAEL.350965$t5W7.18281@fx13.iad>,
Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Really? Which ones?

Pretty much everything he says about religion, per the context,
starting with even the definition.... And no, I don't intend to
elaborate here.

Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 23:52:05 UTC+1 schreef Graham:

> Really? Which ones?

As an orthodox atheist, Dawkins makes the same mistake as orthodox theists. They do not differentiate between ways of being.

Henk

On 2/7/2023 6:28 PM, HT wrote:
> Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 23:52:05 UTC+1 schreef Graham:
>
>> Really? Which ones?
>
> As an orthodox atheist, Dawkins makes the same mistake as orthodox theists. They do not differentiate between ways of being.
>
> Henk
>

There are different ways of being (or thinking) within the groups you mention. Not everyone is at the far extreme. I think there are people who are open to people disagreeing with them, not having closure on every issue and there are people who are the opposite. I don't think these personality traits have anything to do with sorting people into being theists or atheists.