Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?

It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable, but I'm afraid that many of the people jumping on this particular bandwagon are not amenable to rational argument.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:21:00 -0800, Andrew Clarke wrote:

> Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
>
> It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable, but I'm afraid that many of the people jumping on this particular bandwagon are not amenable to rational argument.

Warriors against antisemitism won't stop. So you'll have to
come up with something antisemitic to please them.

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>
> Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?

Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)

> It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,

For 2000 years now ..... ?!?

dk

No - the real question is how long it will take for RMCR denizens to
start arguing about the different versions of light bulbs?

Incandescent or LED? Compact fluorescent? Has anyone surpassed the
gentle glow of those frosted bulbs made in Hungary? And what is a type
"A" base anyway? Who ever heard of a remote control light bulb?

So many questions...but I am confident that folks here could have an
illuminating discussion in a flash.. but only after I get a crowd to
turn the house while i make sure the bulb is held still...

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:42:27 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
>
> No - the real question is how long it will take for RMCR denizens
> to start arguing about the different versions of light bulbs?

Looks like you are already answering your own question.

Maybe you don't believe in light bulbs, but they are used
to make music. Very few musicians can perform without
light: https://youtu.be/NsNs1QY7B7g?t=1380

dk

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
>
> dk

Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish themselves.. (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:42:27 PM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:

> So many questions...but I am confident that folks here could have an
> illuminating discussion in a flash.. but only after I get a crowd to
> turn the house while i make sure the bulb is held still...

Not, I'm sure you will be perfectly all right at home ... by yourself ... in the *dark* ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 01:21:03 UTC+1:
> Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
>

Antisemites and their supporters (Pulp, Andy, Henk, Herman and even Dan to a degree) have to be shamed publicly (you seem to be another case).

How about you educate yourself on this matter? As you seem to have no clue about antisemitism, I think you should shut your trap on this topic.

Would you condone racism the way you condone antisemitic behaviour?

> It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable, but I'm afraid that many of the people jumping on this particular bandwagon are not amenable to rational argument.

I don't know man, it's actually the antisemites that are not amenable to rational argument.

You can lie to yourself, stay "optimist" and tell yourself that they are all no antisemites - whatever you want to believe, Sir.

Time for another jewish joke, I guess:

"The optimists stayed in Germany, the pessimists went to Palestine."

>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Pluted Pup schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 02:38:43 UTC+1:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:21:00 -0800, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>
> > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> >
> > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable, but I'm afraid that many of the people jumping on this particular bandwagon are not amenable to rational argument.
> Warriors against antisemitism won't stop. So you'll have to
> come up with something antisemitic to please them.

Go cry you lowlife.

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:03:29 AM UTC-5, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> > Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> > > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> > For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
> >
> > dk
> Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish themselves. (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

In your logic, (a) isn't necessarily the case, as there are a lot of people who don't like Jews, but do like the state of Israel because they either hate Muslims even more or they are white Evangelical Christians who believe God created the state of Israel as part of his plan for the world.

Just yesterday an arab terrorist rammed his car into Jews at a bus stop in Jerusalem; killing a 6 year old and a 20 year old and injuring more.

Why do people do this? Because they are brainwashed about Israel. And antisemites like Herman propagating the notion that Israel is the doing the "big time killing", and that Israel is basically the one responsible for all the bad stuff happening in that region, are giving antisemites even more food for their delusions, more "reasons" to commit these barbaric acts.

Herman ofc will not admit his mistakes. He will just continue to lie, like he always does.

"I don't talk about Israeli politics, because I have nothing to add". He said.

When shown evidence to the contrary, he stays silent.

You guys are all a joke.

https://www.nysun.com/article/arab-terrorist-slays-two-including-6-year-old-boy-at-jerusalem-bus-stop

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:03:29 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> >
> > Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> >
> > > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> >
> > For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
>
> Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't
> like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do
> not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish
> themselves. (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does
> not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.

Not so fast. Numbers matter. What about people who dislike a large
number of Jews without hypotethically not disliking Jews in general?

In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not.

You don't seem to understand the fact that anti-semitism, as all other
kinds of racism, is not a black or white matter. It comes in degrees
and with nuances.

At the extreme end of the scale there is state anti-semitism, such as
in Germany or in Russia, or in medieval Europe, with explicit laws that
restrict the rights of Jewsish population, limit where they cam live or
what they can do, etc...

Just below state anti-semitism there is political anti-semitism, such
as political parties or other organizations promoting anti-semitic
agendas openly, or discriminating against Jewish individuals or
institutions.

Left unchecked, political anti-semitism can easily evolve into
state anti-semitism -- exactly what happened in Germany and
to a lesser degree in Russia.

Social and cultural anti-semitism are less obvious and harder
to detect -- e.g. Ivy League and British universities artificially
limiting the number of Jewish students (sometimes other
races too), the Vienna Philharmonic not including Jewish
players, and so on.

More shades and nuances appear at individul level, e.g.
people who believe they are not anti-semites but would
never allow their sons or daughters to date (let alone
marry) Jewish people.

dk

In article <773ab92f-6d0e-4ead-8a68-70ae24657d51n@googlegroups.com>,
James Goodzeit <james.goodzeit@gmail.com> wrote:
>... there are a lot of people who don't like Jews, but do like the
>state of Israel ....

Indeed.

Todd M. McComb schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:13:25 UTC+1:
> In article <773ab92f-6d0e-4ead...@googlegroups.com>,
> James Goodzeit <james.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >... there are a lot of people who don't like Jews, but do like the
> >state of Israel ....
>
> Indeed.

Since you seem to be so knowledgable about this topic - ahem - how about you share some examples of people who hate the Jews, but like the state of Israel?

Did studying theoretical physics fuck up your brain so much to not notice the obvious contradiction in the statement of Goodzeit?

If you hate Jews, you cannot like a Jewish state - it's very simple. Maybe some antisemites appreciate the technological etc achievements of Israel, but they still hate Israel.

God are you deluded - no wonder you take the words of a self-hating Jew for granted.

Andrew Clarke schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 06:03:29 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > >
> > > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> > Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> > > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> > For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
> >
> > dk
> Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish themselves.

Yes, some Jews hate themselves and they hate Israel, just like Norman Finkelstein - a virulent jewish antisemite. Antisemites love to quote jews like him (or Jews like Goodzeit).

> (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.
>
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra

Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:03:29 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > > > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> > >
> > > Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> > >
> > > > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > > > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > > > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> > >
> > > For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
> >
> > Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't
> > like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do
> > not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish
> > themselves. (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does
> > not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.
> Not so fast. Numbers matter. What about people who dislike a large
> number of Jews without hypotethically not disliking Jews in general?
>

Dan, you really need to learn to read; your response does not make any sense. Andrew never said that numbers didn't matter.

> In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not.
>

We shit on your "expertise" wrt to antisemitism. In theory I think Jews would know what antisemitism is, in practice unfortunately, as exemplified by your highness, they do not.

> You don't seem to understand the fact that anti-semitism, as all other
> kinds of racism, is not a black or white matter. It comes in degrees
> and with nuances.

Antisemitism is different from racial prejudices against jews.

Let me illustrate this for you:

Racial prejudices against Jews include things like crooked noses etc.

Racists project stereotypes on people (Jews having crooked noses, Jews being greedy, African-Americans being drug-dealers etc).

Antisemites do something else, they project the world's character on the Jews:

- Nazis saying that Jews rule the world and are responsible for the financial misery of countless people etc.

- Antisemites accusing the Jews in finance business of being responsible for financial crises.

- Antisemites like Herman solely blaming Israel of being responsible for the mess in the region.

- Muslims blamign Jews to be responsible for natural disasters (such as floods or droughts etc).

Have you ever seen a racist that thought that blacks are controlling the world? Or have you ever seen racists that accuse blacks of being responsible for floods and financial crises? Have you ever heard of a secret organization (*like people say about the Illuminati) made up of black men that controls the world? No. Because racists deem their object of hatred to be inferior; racists are not afraid of black people.

Antisemites otoh deem their object of hatred to be superior; Jews have the power to control the world; you would never hear a guy from the KKK saying that the africans have the power to control the world...

>
> At the extreme end of the scale there is state anti-semitism, such as
> in Germany or in Russia, or in medieval Europe, with explicit laws that
> restrict the rights of Jewsish population, limit where they cam live or
> what they can do, etc...

How about some more recent examples? Iran and Palestine for example?

What did the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" do? It did not just project stereotypes on jews, it tried to explain the world character through the Jews. Society is corrupt, because Jews in power have corrupted the society.

>
> Just below state anti-semitism there is political anti-semitism, such
> as political parties or other organizations promoting anti-semitic
> agendas openly, or discriminating against Jewish individuals or
> institutions.
>
> Left unchecked, political anti-semitism can easily evolve into
> state anti-semitism -- exactly what happened in Germany and
> to a lesser degree in Russia.
>
> Social and cultural anti-semitism are less obvious and harder
> to detect -- e.g. Ivy League and British universities artificially
> limiting the number of Jewish students (sometimes other
> races too), the Vienna Philharmonic not including Jewish
> players, and so on.

This is some conspirational nonsense without providing evidence. Not saying there aren't antisemitic sentiments on campuses, but what you are saying is conspirational nonsense.

The antisemtism in the academic field is quite obvious actually.

Read this for antisemitism in western universities:

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-722593
>
> More shades and nuances appear at individul level, e.g.
> people who believe they are not anti-semites but would
> never allow their sons or daughters to date (let alone
> marry) Jewish people.

Herman would fit the bill.

>
> dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> More shades and nuances appear at individul level, e.g.
> people who believe they are not anti-semites but would
> never allow their sons or daughters to date (let alone
> marry) Jewish people.

It should also be noted, that I think you might be mistaking some things here: Maybe the goyim who didn't want you to marry their daughters, didn't want it, not because you were a jew, but because you are an absolute idiot.

>
> dk

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:00:34 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
>
> > Social and cultural anti-semitism are less obvious and harder
> > to detect -- e.g. Ivy League and British universities artificially
> > limiting the number of Jewish students (sometimes other
> > races too), the Vienna Philharmonic not including Jewish
> > players, and so on.
>
> This is some conspirational nonsense without providing evidence.

You are completely brainfucked and deranged. The Harvard
Jewish admissions numerus clausus scandals during the
1930s and 1970s made literally hundreds of headlines
and were amply researched and fully documented, as
was the Asian admissions scandal in the 2000s.

You probably don't read anything except Kant, Adorno,
JP and r.m.c.r.

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 08:08:07 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:00:34 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> >
> > > Social and cultural anti-semitism are less obvious and harder
> > > to detect -- e.g. Ivy League and British universities artificially
> > > limiting the number of Jewish students (sometimes other
> > > races too), the Vienna Philharmonic not including Jewish
> > > players, and so on.
> >
> > This is some conspirational nonsense without providing evidence.
> You are completely brainfucked and deranged. The Harvard
> Jewish admissions numerus clausus scandals during the
> 1930s and 1970s made literally hundreds of headlines
> and were amply researched and fully documented, as
> was the Asian admissions scandal in the 2000s.

You really need to learn to read as I said above.

I did explicitly say that I am not saying that there are no antisemitic sentiments on western campuses, just that the way you presented it was reminiscent of how conspirational theorists present their screwed world view.

I asked you to provide evidence to prove what you are saying. Your words are meaningless without facts. Why should people believe you when you don't provide facts; I thought you were against believing blindly, obviously you aren't. You are no authority on this matter, you are just the loser from RMCR who hates himself.

>
> You probably don't read anything except Kant, Adorno,
> JP and r.m.c.r.

I read Ruth Wisse as opposed to you, and a lot of other things. While you claim to be well-read about stuff you have no clue about... say Kant... whose philosophy in your deluded mind was the precursor to Nazism.

You are one of the biggest liars on this ng.

>
> dk

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:00:31 -0800, Marc S wrote:

> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:03:29 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > > > > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> > > >
> > > > Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> > > >
> > > > > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > > > > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > > > > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> > > >
> > > > For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
> > >
> > > Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't
> > > like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do
> > > not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish
> > > themselves. (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does
> > > not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.
> > Not so fast. Numbers matter. What about people who dislike a large
> > number of Jews without hypotethically not disliking Jews in general?
>
> Dan, you really need to learn to read; your response does not make any sense. Andrew never said that numbers didn't matter.
>
> > In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not.
>
> We shit on your "expertise" wrt to antisemitism. In theory I think Jews would know what antisemitism is, in practice unfortunately, as exemplified by your highness, they do not.
>
> > You don't seem to understand the fact that anti-semitism, as all other
> > kinds of racism, is not a black or white matter. It comes in degrees
> > and with nuances.

There are no degrees. There are only two types of people in
the world, Jews and antisemites. Jews are depriving non-Jews
of the antisemitism needed to survive, an injustice.

The only thing you can do is to call off the war onantisemitism.

Pluted Pup schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 08:18:01 UTC+1:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:00:31 -0800, Marc S wrote:
>
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:03:29 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:12:08 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 4:21:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under
> > > > > > every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> > > > >
> > > > > Antisemitism is now also flying in on balloons from China and Russia ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to be impossible to discuss anything related to classical
> > > > > > music without these repetitive and irrational arguments being aired
> > > > > > yet again. The issues are quite easily resolvable,
> > > > >
> > > > > For 2000 years now ..... ?!?
> > > >
> > > > Simple issue of logic. (a) People who don't like Jews necessarily won't
> > > > like the state of Israel. But people who don't like the state of Israel do
> > > > not necessarily dislike Jews, indeed quite a few of them are Jewish
> > > > themselves. (b) To dislike someone who is Jewish in particular does
> > > > not necessarily imply a dislike of Jews in general.
> > > Not so fast. Numbers matter. What about people who dislike a large
> > > number of Jews without hypotethically not disliking Jews in general?
> >
> > Dan, you really need to learn to read; your response does not make any sense. Andrew never said that numbers didn't matter.
> >
> > > In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not.
> >
> > We shit on your "expertise" wrt to antisemitism. In theory I think Jews would know what antisemitism is, in practice unfortunately, as exemplified by your highness, they do not.
> >
> > > You don't seem to understand the fact that anti-semitism, as all other
> > > kinds of racism, is not a black or white matter. It comes in degrees
> > > and with nuances.
> There are no degrees. There are only two types of people in
> the world, Jews and antisemites. Jews are depriving non-Jews
> of the antisemitism needed to survive, an injustice.
>
> The only thing you can do is to call off the war onantisemitism.

Or antisemites like you could stop bitching about Jews and Israel. But since you are sick to your soul, this won't happen.

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:15:32 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 08:08:07 UTC+1:
> > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:00:34 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> > >
> > > > Social and cultural anti-semitism are less obvious and harder
> > > > to detect -- e.g. Ivy League and British universities artificially
> > > > limiting the number of Jewish students (sometimes other
> > > > races too), the Vienna Philharmonic not including Jewish
> > > > players, and so on.
> > >
> > > This is some conspirational nonsense without providing evidence.
> > You are completely brainfucked and deranged. The Harvard
> > Jewish admissions numerus clausus scandals during the
> > 1930s and 1970s made literally hundreds of headlines
> > and were amply researched and fully documented, as
> > was the Asian admissions scandal in the 2000s.
>
> You really need to learn to read as I said above.
>
> I did explicitly say that I am not saying that there are no
> antisemitic sentiments on western campuses, just that
> the way you presented it was reminiscent of how
> conspirational theorists present their screwed
> world view.
>
> I asked you to provide evidence to prove what you are
> saying. Your words are meaningless without facts. Why
> should people believe you when you don't provide facts;
> I thought you were against believing blindly, obviously
> you aren't. You are no authority on this matter, you are
> just the loser from RMCR who hates himself.

The events I mentioned are well known and thoroughly
documented. They don't need any more "proof". You
can google, can you? Or search other sources? This
is not a legal proceeding.

> > You probably don't read anything except Kant, Adorno,
> > JP and r.m.c.r.
>
> I read Ruth Wisse as opposed to you, and a lot of other things.

Even worse. Ruth Wisse is a bigoted retarded hyper
conservative ultra reactionary Canadian shtetl girl
whose dream is for the Jewish people to return to
the Middle Ages. It won't happen. She knows it.
You know it. And so does everybody else.

If you are so obsessed with Judaism why don't you
convert, move to Israel, move in with the Hassidim
in Mea She'arim, spend all your time praying and
licking the boots and sucking up to the rabbis.
Stop fucking other people's brains -- fuck yours
first. You are an excrement!

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 08:23:22 UTC+1:
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:15:32 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 08:08:07 UTC+1:
> > > On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:00:34 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > > Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 07:07:47 UTC+1:
> > > >
> > > > > Social and cultural anti-semitism are less obvious and harder
> > > > > to detect -- e.g. Ivy League and British universities artificially
> > > > > limiting the number of Jewish students (sometimes other
> > > > > races too), the Vienna Philharmonic not including Jewish
> > > > > players, and so on.
> > > >
> > > > This is some conspirational nonsense without providing evidence.
> > > You are completely brainfucked and deranged. The Harvard
> > > Jewish admissions numerus clausus scandals during the
> > > 1930s and 1970s made literally hundreds of headlines
> > > and were amply researched and fully documented, as
> > > was the Asian admissions scandal in the 2000s.
> >
> > You really need to learn to read as I said above.
> >
> > I did explicitly say that I am not saying that there are no
> > antisemitic sentiments on western campuses, just that
> > the way you presented it was reminiscent of how
> > conspirational theorists present their screwed
> > world view.
> >
> > I asked you to provide evidence to prove what you are
> > saying. Your words are meaningless without facts. Why
> > should people believe you when you don't provide facts;
> > I thought you were against believing blindly, obviously
> > you aren't. You are no authority on this matter, you are
> > just the loser from RMCR who hates himself.
> The events I mentioned are well known and thoroughly
> documented. They don't need any more "proof". You
> can google, can you? Or search other sources? This
> is not a legal proceeding.

You did not mention any events in your response to Andrew. You only mentioned the events you had in your head after I pressed, you fucking fool.

You really are incapable of seeing your own idiocy, aren't you?

> > > You probably don't read anything except Kant, Adorno,
> > > JP and r.m.c.r.
> >
> > I read Ruth Wisse as opposed to you, and a lot of other things.
> Even worse. Ruth Wisse is a bigoted retarded hyper
> conservative ultra reactionary Canadian shtetl girl

Just a couple of messages ago you were saying things like, that not everything is "black" and "white", that there are nuances etc.

Now you paint Ruth Wisse in the darkest black... something you accused me of, when I simply named reality: That Henk, Herman and Andy are antisemites and that you are a hypocrite.

You love projecting your own short comings on me, hm?

> whose dream is for the Jewish people to return to
> the Middle Ages. It won't happen. She knows it.

We all know you are paranoid. Stop imagining things.

It's obviously your dream to deny the Jewish people of their right to self determination.

> You know it. And so does everybody else.
>

Whatever you believe in your deluded mind.

> If you are so obsessed with Judaism why don't you
> convert, move to Israel, move in with the Hassidim

I am not obsessed with Judaism as you seem to believe. I am predominately interested in what constitutes antisemitism; I also have Jewish friends as opposed to you who has no friends and wasted his life on this ng. Fortunately my Jewish friends aren't as fucked in their heads as you are.

> in Mea She'arim, spend all your time praying and
> licking the boots and sucking up to the rabbis.
> Stop fucking other people's brains -- fuck yours
> first. You are an excrement!

Whatever dude, you must be living a wonderful life with no friends.

>
> dk

On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 00:21:03 UTC, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> Andrew Clarke

You are absolutely right, of course. There are those of us who are outraged by the recent behaviour of the State of Israel and while it is sometimes hard to contain such feelings, the threads on this newsgroup have been hijacked by a lot of lies and garbage which simply goes on and on and on.

It's been said many, many times - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

Andy Evans schrieb am Samstag, 11. Februar 2023 um 14:07:19 UTC+1:
> On Saturday, 11 February 2023 at 00:21:03 UTC, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> > Please can those who are addicted to finding antisemitism under every rock take their discussions elsewhere, or communicate privately?
> > Andrew Clarke
>
> You are absolutely right, of course. There are those of us who are outraged by the recent behaviour of the State of Israel and while it is sometimes hard to contain such feelings, the threads on this newsgroup have been hijacked by a lot of lies and garbage which simply goes on and on and on.

Where are those of you who are outraged at the behaviour of palestinians? An arab ("palestinian") terrorist murdered a 6 year old jewish boy just yesterday. What did the palestinians do? They celebrated this by distributing candy and cakes.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-731208

Ofc antisemites like Andy will either find this justified, blame the jews or neglect it altogether, wiping it under the rug, because it doesn't fit their narrative.

>
> It's been said many, many times - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

Dan where are you to stand up against antisemites? Oh, I forgot... self-hating Jews will ofc not stand up against antisemites.