On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> On 2023-03-02 20:29:39 +0000, Notsure01 said:
>
> > On 3/2/23 1:17 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> >> On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:
> >>
> >>> - "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
> >>> care for him either" posts: 0.7%
> >>
> >> I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
> >> has become one of the funniest things in this group.
> >>
> >> -Owen
> >>
> >
> > I agree about Gerard's posts - but as a long term lurker I nominate
> > Owen for a Lifetime Achievement Award for humor!
> >
> > (But watch out - Andrew Clarke is gaining on you..)
> >
> > (And as W. C. Fields might have said, "I am free of all prejudice. I
> > hate everyone equally.")
> No awards please! Then I'll have to write a speech and deliver it on
> the red carpet in a red gown slit up to my thigh!
>
> -Owen

Are you sensitive to drafts, too?

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> >
> > No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
> > speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
> > red gown slit up to my thigh!
>
> Are you sensitive to drafts, too?

We are all quite sensitive to bots.

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 07:58:39 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> > >
> > > No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
> > > speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
> > > red gown slit up to my thigh!
> >
> > Are you sensitive to drafts, too?
> We are all quite sensitive to bots.
>
> dk

OT: I think you are probably right about Karajan in the general sense (and especially in Mozart)... still, I need to relisten to his Beethoven 3 (and some others); he certainly is no Mengelberg, but damn it, I need these symphonies also in good sound... maybe Bernstein and some others are better, it's been a while - likely I'll stay with Mengelberg...

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 08:09:38 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 07:58:39 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
> > > > speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
> > > > red gown slit up to my thigh!
> > >
> > > Are you sensitive to drafts, too?
> > We are all quite sensitive to bots.
> >
> > dk
> OT: I think you are probably right about Karajan in the general sense (and especially in Mozart)... still, I need to relisten to his Beethoven 3 (and some others); he certainly is no Mengelberg, but damn it, I need these symphonies also in good sound... maybe Bernstein and some others are better, it's been a while - likely I'll stay with Mengelberg...

Forget what I said... I still love Karajan in Mozart's Cosi; not so happy about most of his Mozart stuff, but here I think he is really good.

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >
> > Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
> > yet somehow there are no people who are
> > actually antisemitic. A mystery.
> Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
> citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
> those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
>
> dk

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said this.

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> > >
> > > Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
> > > yet somehow there are no people who are
> > > actually antisemitic. A mystery.
> > Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
> > citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
> > those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
>
> Now you are putting words in my mouth.
> I never said this.

You didn't say it but it follows from what
you wrote.

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 12:26:45 UTC+1:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
> > > On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
> > > > yet somehow there are no people who are
> > > > actually antisemitic. A mystery.
> > > Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
> > > citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
> > > those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
> >
> > Now you are putting words in my mouth.
> > I never said this.
> You didn't say it but it follows from what
> you wrote.
>
> dk

No, stop projecting.

You, Andy, NYT and the Austrian Newspaper I quoted etc paint 60% of Israelis as fascists and/or imbeciles (Austrian Newspaper likened them to the KKK) - this is what I was arguing against. I never said that (all) the people who voted left were antisemites; and I was very clear about why I said that you sound like an antisemite... and honestly... some of the things you said were antisemitic - very clearly. You should learn to reflect. You are the one that is imagining that Netanyahu wants to return Israel to the middle ages and that he is a fascist and what not... So according to you 60% of Israelis that voted right are basically fascists.

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad... there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc. Things you don't see. You should open your eyes; Chabad people are not against civilisation and they don't want to force anything on anyone - people like Yishai Fleisher or Malkah Fleisher are a different, they are dangerous.

Show some respect for these people... just because they believe in something you believe to be outdated does not make them ignorants, rather it is you who is ignorant. As far as my experience goes, the people I talked to from Chabad all had a beautiful neshama (*I am only talking about the people I talked with); out of all the encounters I had with religious people, Chabad people are the ones that seemed most reasonable to me, and also very loving people. Generally I'd rather hang around and work with a Chabad-scientist than an atheist-scientist or a scientist who calls Rabbis "rabies".

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:05:34 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 12:26:45 UTC+1:
> > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
> > > > On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
> > > > > yet somehow there are no people who are
> > > > > actually antisemitic. A mystery.
> > > > Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
> > > > citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
> > > > those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
> > >
> > > Now you are putting words in my mouth.
> > > I never said this.
> > You didn't say it but it follows from what
> > you wrote.
> >
> > dk
> No, stop projecting.
>
> You, Andy, NYT and the Austrian Newspaper I quoted etc paint 60% of Israelis as fascists and/or imbeciles (Austrian Newspaper likened them to the KKK) - this is what I was arguing against. I never said that (all) the people who voted left were antisemites; and I was very clear about why I said that you sound like an antisemite... and honestly... some of the things you said were antisemitic - very clearly. You should learn to reflect. You are the one that is imagining that Netanyahu wants to return Israel to the middle ages and that he is a fascist and what not... So according to you 60% of Israelis that voted right are basically fascists.
>
> Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad... there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc. Things you don't see. You should open your eyes; Chabad people are not against civilisation and they don't want to force anything on anyone - people like Yishai Fleisher or Malkah Fleisher are a different, they are dangerous.
>
> Show some respect for these people... just because they believe in something you believe to be outdated does not make them ignorants, rather it is you who is ignorant. As far as my experience goes, the people I talked to from Chabad all had a beautiful neshama (*I am only talking about the people I talked with); out of all the encounters I had with religious people, Chabad people are the ones that seemed most reasonable to me, and also very loving people. Generally I'd rather hang around and work with a Chabad-scientist than an atheist-scientist or a scientist who calls Rabbis "rabies".

To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin; similar to how the Austrian Newspaper likens Israelis (the ones who voted right) to KKK ---- ask yourself, are you on the right side of history? In your rhetorics about Israel you sound more like an Austrian than a Jew.

Sidenote: KKK had its roots in the democratic party, so I find it kind of amusing that suddenly right-wing politicians get likened to the KKK... (not saying that there aren't right wing politicians who may ahve connections to the KKK; but mysteriously the KKK never gets mentioned wrt leftist politicians)

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:14:48 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin;
>

I did -- with a precise meaning. He is
just like Putin a former secret service
operator. Cut from the same cloth.

dk

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>
> Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
> there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
> Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
> Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.

> and they don't want to force anything on anyone

You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.

You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
out of the Middle Ages.

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:20:28 UTC+1:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:14:48 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin;
> >
> I did -- with a precise meaning. He is
> just like Putin a former secret service
> operator. Cut from the same cloth.
>
> dk

And as I already demonstrated the secret service of Israel is different than the secret service of Russia.

I'm actually tired of arguing with you; you do not only forget things, but you oversimplify things instead of understanding how complex reality is... No wonder you like simple music.

Anyway; a last try to appeal to your reason:

The Israeli secret service unit that Netanyahu served in was called Sayeret Matkal and it was created by Ben-Gurion and Rabin. It aimed at recruiting the "best" Israelis; and the recruited Netanyahu. This is someting entirely different than the KGB you stupid antisemitic fuck. I don't think it should be illegal for someone who served in the special forces to work as a politician; I judge people by their deeds, and Netanyahu in all the times he was elected did not turn Israel into a middle-age clerical fascist state; you really seem to have problems acknowledging reality (same with covid).

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> >
> > Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
> > there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
> > Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
> > Chabad people are not against civilisation
> Chabad people are against secular civilization.

This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone who is regarded highly in the chabad on this... As usual you are living in fantasy world.

Chabad ofc would like Jews like you to be more orthodox, but they don't force it and they don't want to get rid of the secular state. Stop imagining things - you are worse than Herman wrt to Chabad.

> You don't seem to be able to get it through
> your thick krautkopf head that the majority
> of Jews in Israel are not religious and do

Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews) voted for a right wing government. Something you don't seem to get in your stupid head.

Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the majority of Israelis - who as you say are secular - do not fear that Netanyahu will turn Israel into a clerical fascist state - otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him. You are completely brainfucked.

> not want to live under a theocratic regime.
> > and they don't want to force anything on anyone
> You clearly don't know anything about how the
> religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
> population to abide by their medieval notions.

You still don't understand that there are different kinds of orthodox Jews....

>
> You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
> out of the Middle Ages.

Well at least I'm not an antisemite like you.

>
> dk

Have fun with your antisemitic friends such as Andy and Henk you brainfucked imbecile.

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
>
> > You don't seem to be able to get it through
> > your thick krautkopf head that the majority
> > of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
>
> Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews)
> voted for a right wing government.

No they didn't. Netanyahu's party did not win a
majority. They had the highest percentage of
the vote, but less than 50%, i.e. a "plurality".
Just like Hitler in 1933.

> Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of
> Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the
> majority of Israelis

You are completely delusional. You do
not even understand the most basic
facts of Israel's electoral system.

You are a brainfucked Nazi.

dk

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
> > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > >
> > > Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
> > > there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
> > > Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
> > > Chabad people are not against civilisation
> >
> > Chabad people are against secular civilization.
>
> This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
> who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...

This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.

Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.

These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.

dk

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:44:15 UTC+1:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
> > > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
> > > > there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
> > > > Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
> > > > Chabad people are not against civilisation
> > >
> > > Chabad people are against secular civilization.
> >
> > This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
> > who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
> This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
> what people actually do day to day on the ground
> in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
> weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
> has many times prevented ambulances from taking
> people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.

How about some evidence? Imagining things won't convince me, you should have realized this by now... but I know you have trouble acknowleding reality.

I think you are confusing Chabadniks with Andy's favoured eco-terrorists who block streets...

Have you ever heard of the Chaverim in California? They actually help(ed) save lives. Or the Skulener Rabbis who rescued many orphans, or Schneerson who rescued many Jews from the Nazis.

And if shit ever hits the fan; these are the people who will welcome you with open arms, who will bleed for you - even though you hate them right now they will happily welcome you.

These orthodox Rabbis are actually more reasonable than you are, because they are not imagining secular Jews to be evil, or that secular Jews will take the religion away from them; like you are imagining Chabad to be evil, backwards and totalitarian. It is you that is totalitarian.

>
> Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
> who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
> mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.
>
> These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
> Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.
>
> dk

Have fun hating on Chabad... you are seriously deranged.

You have some stereotypes about Chabad in your head hm?

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:38:56 UTC+1:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
> >
> > > You don't seem to be able to get it through
> > > your thick krautkopf head that the majority
> > > of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
> >
> > Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews)
> > voted for a right wing government.
> No they didn't. Netanyahu's party did not win a
> majority. They had the highest percentage of
> the vote, but less than 50%, i.e. a "plurality".
> Just like Hitler in 1933.

Yes, yes just like Hitler... So Israel today is like Germany in 1933. Please Dan take your sorry ass somewhere else; I can't deal with your self-hatred anymore haha.

You are as antisemtic as Henk and Andy.

Still the majority of Israelis voted right wing; if the majority of Israelis would have feared a right-wing governemnt they wouldn't have done so... and it's not the majority of israelis that are against the government today....

> > Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of
> > Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the
> > majority of Israelis
> You are completely delusional. You do
> not even understand the most basic
> facts of Israel's electoral system.

I do think I understand it better than you do... Frank understands it better than you do as well. Keep living with your head up your ass.

>
> You are a brainfucked Nazi.

Didn't you just compare Israel to Nazi-Germany? Go fuck yourself. Have fun with your antisemtic friends you fucking jewish antisemite - verdammter jüdischer Antisemit.

>
> dk

Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 15:03:53 UTC+1:
> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:44:15 UTC+1:
> > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
> > > > On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
> > > > > there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
> > > > > Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
> > > > > Chabad people are not against civilisation
> > > >
> > > > Chabad people are against secular civilization.
> > >
> > > This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
> > > who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
> > This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
> > what people actually do day to day on the ground
> > in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
> > weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
> > has many times prevented ambulances from taking
> > people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.
> How about some evidence? Imagining things won't convince me, you should have realized this by now... but I know you have trouble acknowleding reality.
>
> I think you are confusing Chabadniks with Andy's favoured eco-terrorists who block streets...
>
> Have you ever heard of the Chaverim in California? They actually help(ed) save lives. Or the Skulener Rabbis who rescued many orphans, or Schneerson who rescued many Jews from the Nazis.
>
> And if shit ever hits the fan; these are the people who will welcome you with open arms, who will bleed for you - even though you hate them right now they will happily welcome you.
>
> These orthodox Rabbis are actually more reasonable than you are, because they are not imagining secular Jews to be evil, or that secular Jews will take the religion away from them; like you are imagining Chabad to be evil, backwards and totalitarian. It is you that is totalitarian.

*To add: Maybe some chabadniks to this; but it's not somethign I have experienced, and it's not something the organization legitimates.

When I typed in "Chabad blocks streets"; they just show me a picture of chabadniks clogged the streets in brooklyn because they wanted to take a picture - how horrific...

I am very sure that if a ambulance was in said street the chabadniks would have let them pass...

You are really completely deluded and full of hatred for yourself and Judaism...

> >
> > Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
> > who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
> > mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.
> >
> > These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
> > Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.
> >
> > dk
> Have fun hating on Chabad... you are seriously deranged.
>
> You have some stereotypes about Chabad in your head hm?

All this endless claptrap about Israel is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING...........

Just goes on forever...... invades all threads........

Aren't you all sick of it by now?

On 3/3/2023 6:26 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>> Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
>>>> yet somehow there are no people who are
>>>> actually antisemitic. A mystery.
>>> Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
>>> citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
>>> those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
>>
>> Now you are putting words in my mouth.
>> I never said this.
>
> You didn't say it but it follows from what
> you wrote.
>
> dk

Again it all depends on your definition of antisemitism. If a Jew takes a political position that you think is not in the interest of the Jewish people, you could call that Jew antisemitic, but it is not in the usual sense. I deplore Leftist politics, including those of Peres and the like, yet I have absolutely no doubt that these folks that believe differently than I do think they have the best interest of Jews or Israel or whatever in their hearts. And I respect them for it.

Listen carefully. Despite all the nonsense and lies that have been printed on threads here about my views:
- I am not antisemitic
- I am critical about the politics of Israel, like many International institutions and demonstrators in Tel Aviv itself

Let me put it another way - people are just people
- I am not anti Russians, anti Chinese, anti Americans or whatever people, as people
- I am critical about the politics of Russia, China, America and a number of other countries, like many International institutions, demonstrators etc. etc. I am critical about the UK, my own country, when it steps out of line..

I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.

Politics is a different matter. Anyone who isn't critical of politics has their head in the sand. Don't confuse the two. That's all.

On 3/3/2023 7:26 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>>
>> Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
>> there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
>> Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
>> Chabad people are not against civilisation
>
> Chabad people are against secular civilization.
> You don't seem to be able to get it through
> your thick krautkopf head that the majority
> of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
> not want to live under a theocratic regime.
>

Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system where the Rabbinate has any influence in political life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the Messiah.

>> and they don't want to force anything on anyone
>
> You clearly don't know anything about how the
> religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
> population to abide by their medieval notions.
>

Generalization. I've asked orthodox Rabbis about this and it seems to me most would not support a theocracy.

> You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
> out of the Middle Ages.
>
> dk

On 3/3/2023 8:44 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>> Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
>>>> there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
>>>> Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
>>>> Chabad people are not against civilisation
>>>
>>> Chabad people are against secular civilization.
>>
>> This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
>> who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
>
> This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
> what people actually do day to day on the ground
> in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
> weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
> has many times prevented ambulances from taking
> people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.
>
> Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
> who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
> mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.
>
> These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
> Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.
>
> dk

Prove it.

On 3/3/2023 10:27 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
> All this endless claptrap about Israel is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING...........
>
> Just goes on forever...... invades all threads........
>
> Aren't you all sick of it by now?

Those who participate in such threads apparently don't find it boring. Also it doesn't invade "all" threads. Perspective, please.

On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 15:53:13 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
> Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system where the Rabbinate has any influence in political life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the Messiah......
etc etc etc

Why are you even speaking to this obnoxious, nauseating TROLL who is polluting this newsgroup with endless garbage.

Leave him alone....... he's like some irritating insect that buzzes round and round endlessly. Just leave him alone and stop feeding him. Starve the bastard. He won't go away but at least he won't get any food.

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:52:47 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

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> I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.
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All of this was obvious, however, due to two or three horrible trolls who want to turn a music group into something where everything has to be about HATE, you feel obliged to justify and exculpate yourself.

The same way I had to do after I had accidentally said Isabelle Faust could play the violin - which made me an anti-semite in the eyes of these horrible ghouls.