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 by: Bruce - Mon, 6 Nov 2023 04:38 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY

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 by: geoff - Mon, 6 Nov 2023 06:21 UTC

On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY

Not so sure about 'mock'.

Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
"In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth Time
was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's writing.
Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured “homage” to
his song."

geoff

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 by: Norbert K - Mon, 6 Nov 2023 14:40 UTC

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY

Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.

"Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.

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 by: Bruce - Mon, 6 Nov 2023 17:44 UTC

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
>
> Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
>
> "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.

Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.

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 by: Norbert K - Mon, 6 Nov 2023 18:37 UTC

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> >
> > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> >
> > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.

I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.

How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?

As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"

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 by: Pamela Brown - Tue, 7 Nov 2023 13:14 UTC

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > >
> > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song.. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > >
> > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
>
> How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
>
> As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"

There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.

You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

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 by: Pamela Brown - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 11:40 UTC

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 7:14:16 AM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > >
> > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > >
> > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> >
> > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> >
> > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
>
> You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

I think Bob had a hidden agenda when it came to John and the Beatles...Bob knew things John did not, which caused John to stumble...

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 by: Norbert K - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 13:34 UTC

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > >
> > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > >
> > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> >
> > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> >
> > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
>
> You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

I like the title!

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 by: Pamela Brown - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:49 UTC

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > >
> > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > >
> > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > >
> > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> >
> > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> I like the title!
Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...

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 by: Norbert K - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:01 UTC

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist.. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > >
> > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > >
> > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > >
> > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > I like the title!
> Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...

Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.

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On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 7:01:27 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did.. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > > >
> > > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > > >
> > > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > > I like the title!
> > Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...
> Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.

I think the idea that the Beatles had to be 'introduced' to anything is ridiculous. They tried everything, weed included, in Hamburg...and may not have been impressed. I do think Bob may have given them some really good stuff though, and that made an impression...

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 by: Norbert K - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:31 UTC

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:58:05 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 7:01:27 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > > > I like the title!
> > > Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...
> > Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.
> I think the idea that the Beatles had to be 'introduced' to anything is ridiculous. They tried everything, weed included, in Hamburg...and may not have been impressed. I do think Bob may have given them some really good stuff though, and that made an impression...

You might be right about them trying weed in Hamburg, but I think it was the experience with Aronowitz and Dylan that they became seriously interested in the drug. Pot wouldn't have been conducive to the type of extended, high-energy performances they were doing in Hamburg, anyway.

There's a sound basis for believing John, George and their women were exposed to LSD for the first time in 1965 -- though that drug had been around since the late 40s.

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 by: Pamela Brown - Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:00 UTC

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:58:05 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 7:01:27 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > > > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > > > > I like the title!
> > > > Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...
> > > Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.
> > I think the idea that the Beatles had to be 'introduced' to anything is ridiculous. They tried everything, weed included, in Hamburg...and may not have been impressed. I do think Bob may have given them some really good stuff though, and that made an impression...
> You might be right about them trying weed in Hamburg, but I think it was the experience with Aronowitz and Dylan that they became seriously interested in the drug. Pot wouldn't have been conducive to the type of extended, high-energy performances they were doing in Hamburg, anyway.
>
> There's a sound basis for believing John, George and their women were exposed to LSD for the first time in 1965 -- though that drug had been around since the late 40s.
I agree. They were doing prellies and the like in Hamburg, kept them awake and revved up. Probably not much interested in anything that mellowed them out. I also agree that they most likely had a formal intro to LSD...

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 by: Norbert K - Tue, 16 Jan 2024 17:09 UTC

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 7:14:16 AM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > >
> > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > >
> > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > >
> > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> >
> > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> I think Bob had a hidden agenda when it came to John and the Beatles...Bob knew things John did not, which caused John to stumble...

And some years later, Dylan tried to warn Lennon that he'd heard Yoko had "bad vibes." I wonder what he knew, and through whom.

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On 2023-11-06 06:21:07 +0000, geoff said:

> On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
>
>
> Not so sure about 'mock'.
>
> Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
> "In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth
> Time was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's
> writing. Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured
> “homage” to his song."
>
> geoff

I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
was the song most closely associated with Dylan.

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 by: Pamela Brown - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 13:33 UTC

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:11:09 PM UTC-6, super70s wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 06:21:07 +0000, geoff said:
>
> > On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> >
> >
> > Not so sure about 'mock'.
> >
> > Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
> > "In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth
> > Time was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's
> > writing. Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured
> > “homage” to his song."
> >
> > geoff
> I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
> was the song most closely associated with Dylan.
I was wondering if Ballad of a Thin Man was an inspiration for Nowhere Man....

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On 2024-01-24, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

> I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
> was the song most closely associated with Dylan.

Well, dang... don't go ruining it for me - especially being my favorite. :-)

Kidding... I've just long considered Dylan over-rated.

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Subject: Re: Dylan wrote this to mock John Lennon doing his style on
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 by: oldernow - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:59 UTC

On 2024-01-26, Pamela Brown <pamelajfk1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dylan is over-rated. But I think there was a competitiveness between them...

To me, Dylan mostly helped the species identify a large block of
its tone-deaf members.

Said another way, no matter what a buzzsaw is trying to tell me,
I'm never going to hear it throught the noise and, by extension,
my hands covering my ears to avoid that noise.... :-)

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 by: General-Zod - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 13:06 UTC

Pamela Brown wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:11:09 PM UTC-6, super70s wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 06:21:07 +0000, geoff said:
>>
>> > On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
>> >
>> >
>> > Not so sure about 'mock'.
>> >
>> > Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
>> > "In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth
>> > Time was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's
>> > writing. Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured
>> > “homage” to his song."
>> >
>> > geoff
>> I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
>> was the song most closely associated with Dylan.
> I was wondering if Ballad of a Thin Man was an inspiration for Nowhere Man....

Never thought of that..!

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 by: Norbert K - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 13:27 UTC

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:33:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:11:09 PM UTC-6, super70s wrote:
> > On 2023-11-06 06:21:07 +0000, geoff said:
> >
> > > On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > >
> > >
> > > Not so sure about 'mock'.
> > >
> > > Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
> > > "In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth
> > > Time was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's
> > > writing. Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured
> > > “homage” to his song."
> > >
> > > geoff
> > I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
> > was the song most closely associated with Dylan.
> I was wondering if Ballad of a Thin Man was an inspiration for Nowhere Man...

Well, Lennon specifically mentions "Dylan's Mr. Jones" in "Yer Blues."

However, that Dylan songs seems to ooze homoerotic imagery, while Lennon's "Nowhere Man" seems to be autobiographical -- with Lennon singing about how lost he felt.

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 by: General-Zod - Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:36 UTC

Norbert K wrote:

> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:33:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:11:09 PM UTC-6, super70s wrote:
>> > On 2023-11-06 06:21:07 +0000, geoff said:
>> >
>> > > On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:
>
>> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Not so sure about 'mock'.
>> > >
>> > > Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
>> > > "In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth
>> > > Time was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's
>> > > writing. Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured
>> > > “homage” to his song."
>> > >
>> > > geoff
>> > I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
>> > was the song most closely associated with Dylan.
>> I was wondering if Ballad of a Thin Man was an inspiration for Nowhere Man...

> Well, Lennon specifically mentions "Dylan's Mr. Jones" in "Yer Blues."

> However, that Dylan songs seems to ooze homoerotic imagery, while Lennon's "Nowhere Man" seems to be autobiographical -- with Lennon singing about how lost he felt.

The homosexual allusions seem rarely commented on, I have observed...

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 by: Norbert - Sat, 24 Feb 2024 19:34 UTC

After Goldman's book came out, there was debate in the L.A. Times about Goldman's claim that Lennon was bisexual. One person said that Lennon's admission in "Yer Blues" that he "Felt so suicidal/Just like Dylan's Mr. Jones" hinted that Lennon was struggling with his bisexuality at that time.

BTW, where did Lennon get the idea that Dylan's "Mr. Jones" was suicidal? I don't see indication of that in the "Ballad of a Thin Man" lyric.

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 by: pamina58 - Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:38 UTC

I think there may have been more going on between Dylan and Lennon than meets the eye.
Some of Bob's songs (usually the 'key' songs) have a target. John may have considered himself a target of "Ballad of a Thin Man"...

https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/ballad-thin-man/

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 by: Norbert - Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:39 UTC

Hmm. Lennon was prone to paranoia (post-LSD phase), and I remember an interview in which he admitted to paranoia specifically pertaining to Dylan.

Lennon even succumbed to the delusion that McCartney's Ram was rife with attacks on him, when in fact McCartney's only gibe was in "Too Many People."

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https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/bob-dylan-song-made-john-lennon-very-paranoid/

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