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Re: Dylan wrote this to mock John Lennon doing his style on "Norwegian Wood."

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Subject: Re: Dylan wrote this to mock John Lennon doing his style on "Norwegian
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 by: Norbert - Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:51 UTC

Yes, that's the quote I was thinking of!

I don't know why, but Lennon was fixated on Dylan, what with his couple of Dylanesque songs, his admission of having been made "very paranoid" by Dylan, his "I don't believe in Zimmerman" line in "God," his cartoons of Dylan (described in Goldman's book), and "Serve Yerself."

Lennon was the better vocalist, guitarist and songwriter of the two by far. I don't know what about Dylan so fascinated John.

Dylan strikes me as an emperor with no clothes.

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 by: oldernow - Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:09 UTC

On 2024-02-26, Norbert <nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dylan strikes me as an emperor with no clothes.

To me Dylan seems yet another idol of the tone deaf.

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 by: Blueshirt - Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:36 UTC

oldernow wrote:

> On 2024-02-26, Norbert <nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Dylan strikes me as an emperor with no clothes.
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> To me Dylan seems yet another idol of the tone deaf.

I liked that! :-)

Dylan was definitely an acquired taste...

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 by: oldernow - Mon, 26 Feb 2024 18:13 UTC

On 2024-02-26, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>> To me Dylan seems yet another idol of the tone deaf.
>
> I liked that! :-)
>
> Dylan was definitely an acquired taste...

My gag reflex never gave my taste buds sufficient time to experience
the state of acquisition. :-)

That said, I can occasionally swish "Lay Lady Lay". Sorta. :-)

Oh my... went to the Wikipedia entry for that song where I found:

"'Lay Lady Lay', sometimes rendered 'Lay, Lady, Lay',
is a song written by Bob Dylan and originally released
in 1969 on his Nashville Skyline album. Like many of the
tracks on the album, Dylan sings the song in a low croon,
rather than in the high nasal singing style associated
with his earlier (and eventually later) recordings."

Of course, the aforementioned gag scenario kept this 62-year-old
from ever investigating him at all, so I'm unfamiliar with any of
the other "low croon" vocalized tracks. Maybe my wife will give me
enough chores reprive one of these days to look/listen into such....

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 by: pamina58 - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:32 UTC

I think Dylan was trying to goad Lennon. I think Dylan had his own reasons for doing this that have not yet been made clear. And Lennon took the bait. John even stopped listening to Dylan except when George made him do so...

I think everything about Dylan is false...no clothes, indeed...

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 by: Norbert - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:37 UTC

I admit it, I kind of like "Lay Lady Lay." It's not typical Dylan; it's much better.

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 by: pamina58 - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:09 UTC

https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

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 by: pamina58 - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:26 UTC

Take your pick...I think Dylan writes some, steals some, buys some and people give him some of 'his' songs...

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 by: oldernow - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:32 UTC

On 2024-02-27, pamina58 <pamelam1@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Take your pick...I think Dylan writes some, steals some,
> buys some and people give him some of 'his' songs...

Dylan is proof this species doesn't deserve nice things.

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 by: Norbert - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:24 UTC

"Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I." -- Joni Mitchell.

I don't doubt this, but I probably don't know enough old-school folk stuff to confirm it. There have been rumors for decades that Dylan lifted progressions and melodies from Woody Gurthrie.

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 by: pamina58 - Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:39 UTC

Dylan is shameless, and he gets away with it.

In addition, an insider on r.m.d said that Bob's brother David, whom he met at an event in the Twin Cities, said Bob lost his voice a long time ago, so what we are hearing now is something else. On his current tour he does not improvise any new lyrics as he used to, so it makes you wonder.

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 by: Norbert - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 11:36 UTC

He's just older, and he was never a good singer. Dylan got lucky in that hippies embraced him as a symbol of their zeitgeist. Musically, Dylan has very little going for him.

The 60s spawned many much more talented folk songwriters: Donovan, Cat Stevens, Gordon Lightfoot.

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 by: oldernow - Fri, 1 Mar 2024 12:03 UTC

On 2024-03-01, Norbert <nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> He's just older, and he was never a good singer. Dylan got
> lucky in that hippies embraced him as a symbol of their
> zeitgeist. Musically, Dylan has very little going for him.
>
> The 60s spawned many much more talented folk songwriters:
> Donovan, Cat Stevens, Gordon Lightfoot.

Dylan is a priceless example of mob murmuring - especially insomuch
as said murmuring rises to the level of the "news" media murmuring
along - seemingly "making it so", i.e. making his being some
legendary, incomparable songwriter seem real.

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 by: General-Zod - Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:38 UTC

pamina58 wrote:
>
> I think there may have been more going on between Dylan and Lennon than meets the eye.
> Some of Bob's songs (usually the 'key' songs) have a target. John may have considered himself a target of "Ballad of a Thin Man"...

> https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/ballad-thin-man/

Of interest...!

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 by: pamina58 - Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:41 UTC

Odd Dylan connection to the Baltimore Bridge collapse?
It is the "Key" bridge...
Bob played in Baltimore last November 24th...

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 by: geoff - Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:16 UTC

On 27/03/2024 11:41 pm, pamina58 wrote:
> Odd Dylan connection to the Baltimore Bridge collapse? It is the "Key"
> bridge...
> Bob played in Baltimore last November 24th...

Shit, where else has he played in the last 12 months ?

Better wear our hard-hats (preferably tinfoil-lined).

geoff

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 by: pamina58 - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:36 UTC

Another odd coincidence...
the name of the boat is the Dali...
Here is a Salvadore Dali painting about a bridge...
https://archive.thedali.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=1648;type=101

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 by: Norbert - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:42 UTC

Yeah, Dali met Lennon, didn't he?

In the 1950s, Ann Woodward (the one who went on to murder her unfaithful husband Billy) commissioned a painting of herself from Dali. Dali pretended to labor over the work for many months, when in fact he cranked it out effortlessly. Ann Woodward hated the effort, which made her look unattractive, and tried to avoid paying for it; Dali took her to court and won.

The painting is nonetheless amazing, full of fascinating symbolism -- and uncanny in its perceptiveness of Ann's shaky relationship with the Woodwards.

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 by: Norbert - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:03 UTC

Imagine how Dali might have portrayed Yoko? That would have been amazing.

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 by: pamina58 - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:01 UTC

John and Yoko met Salvador Dali and his wife Gaya for lunch on March 24, 1969 in Paris...
https://twitter.com/johnlennon/status/1772051944493736058

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 by: Norbert - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 14:38 UTC

Thanks for the link!

Even though Dali was decades older than Lennon, he still had lots of amazing work ahead of him. John's best work was in his past at this point.

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 by: General-Zod - Tue, 9 Apr 2024 22:42 UTC

pamina58 wrote:
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> Another odd coincidence...
> the name of the boat is the Dali...
> Here is a Salvadore Dali painting about a bridge...
> https://archive.thedali.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=1648;type=101

Interesting...

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 by: pamina58 - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 11:00 UTC

With all due respect, why take a jab at John here?

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 by: pamina58 - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 11:17 UTC

If someone was trying to threaten you, would you be 'paranoid' in being wary of them?

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