On 7/16/2021 11:05 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>
>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>> elections.
>>>
>> Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can tell, the
>> actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>
>> You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>
> You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
> even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
> their own pulmonary secretions.
>
While the mortality rate may be relatively low there is still the fact
that in one year the US lost more dead to COVID-19 than we did in ALL of
World War II. I haven't checked in a few months but I would not be
surprised if we are close to or exceeded the number of dead in the Civil
War.

And not everyone who survives COVID-19 does so unaffected. Many suffer
crippling damage from the virus leaving them impaired for life.

--
Troll, troll, troll your post gently down the thread
Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

In article <sjt3fg1ekud4i5p2m0e7c4rifijaovu3h5@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 18:05:39 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>>> elections.
>>>>
>>>Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can tell, the
>>>actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>>
>>>You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>>
>>You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
>>even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
>>their own pulmonary secretions.
>
>There is a subset of liberals, many of whom pride themselves on their
>intelligence, educational accomplishments, and understanding of
>science, who believe that going unmasked to a conservative rally is a
>death sentence.

Well, it increases one's risk. It's not the guards-will-march-
you-to-the-scaffold-and-make-sure-you-come-down-in-two-pieces
kind of death sentence. But why increase one's risk, particularly
in a form that would also subject one to an afternoon of delusional
Trumpism?

I got sufficient Schadenfreude looking at all those empty blue
seats in Tulsa on the Internet.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:sct2fe$ni5$1@dont-email.me:

> On 7/16/2021 11:05 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>>> elections.
>>>>
>>> Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can
>>> tell, the actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>>
>>> You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>>
>> You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
>> even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
>> their own pulmonary secretions.
>>
> While the mortality rate may be relatively low there is still
> the fact that in one year the US lost more dead to COVID-19 than
> we did in ALL of World War II.

It's also a comparable number to how many dies in the 1918-19 flu
pandemic.

When the US had a third the population.

Just to give you some perspective.
>
> And not everyone who survives COVID-19 does so unaffected. Many

for some values of "many."

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qwD0oo.12A5@kithrup.com:

> In article <sjt3fg1ekud4i5p2m0e7c4rifijaovu3h5@4ax.com>,
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 18:05:39 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>>news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>>>> elections.
>>>>>
>>>>Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can
>>>>tell, the actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>>>
>>>>You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>>>
>>>You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
>>>even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
>>>their own pulmonary secretions.
>>
>>There is a subset of liberals, many of whom pride themselves on
>>their intelligence, educational accomplishments, and
>>understanding of science, who believe that going unmasked to a
>>conservative rally is a death sentence.
>
> Well, it increases one's risk. It's not the guards-will-march-
> you-to-the-scaffold-and-make-sure-you-come-down-in-two-pieces
> kind of death sentence. But why increase one's risk,

There are many kinds of risks in life. And most offer some form of
reward.

Not everyone values potential rewards the same as you do. Having
some form of a life worth living is of considerable value to some.

> particularly in a form that would also subject one to an
> afternoon of delusional Trumpism?

Attention whore Fauci never did answer why churches had to close,
but mass protests (which were lighting buildings on fire) were zero
risk of spreading the virus.

I'd feel a *lot* safer at a Trump rally than at an Antifa or BLM
rally, if only because I'd be less likely to be killed for being
white.
>
> I got sufficient Schadenfreude looking at all those empty blue
> seats in Tulsa on the Internet.
>
You do tend to believe what you see in the news, if it's what you
want to see.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 17/07/2021 04:46, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:qwCnLF.ov6@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>>> elections.
>>>>
>>> Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can tell,
>>> the actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>>
>>> You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>>
>> You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
>> even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
>> their own pulmonary secretions.
>>
> And the average age of those who die from it is . . . not at all
> young. Doesn't help you any, and doesn't help me much, but we *won't*
> be seeing millions of people dying in the prime of their lives.
>
And the delta variant changes that - it appears to be just as
transmissible in young people as older.

Whether that leads to a greater mortality rate, we don't yet know, but,
as with all the strains of COVID-19, it's not the mortality rate that is
the big problem, that problem is having enough ICU beds and oxygen and
Remdesvir and IV steroids to to keep people who get a bad case alive.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

--
Waiting for a new signature to suggest itself...

On 2021-07-15 7:39 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>
>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>
>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri?  Mississippi?
>>>
>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>
>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>>
>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>
>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>> are now administered each day.
>>>
>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>> dose.
>>>
>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>
>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>
>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>
>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>> world".  It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>> occupation.
>
> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.

My girlfriend happens to work in international aid and development...

....and while that does happen, it's not really that frequent an event.

On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri?  Mississippi?
>>>>
>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>
>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>>
>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>>> are now administered each day.
>>>>
>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>>> dose.
>>>>
>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>
>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>>
>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>>> world".  It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>>> occupation.
>>
>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
>>
> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
> genetically modified.
>
>

Bullshit.

On 2021-07-16 10:43 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>
>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>> elections.
>>
> Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can tell, the
> actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.

And you got the "actual mortality rate" from...

On 2021-07-16 4:17 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:sct2fe$ni5$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 7/16/2021 11:05 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>> news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>>>> elections.
>>>>>
>>>> Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can
>>>> tell, the actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>>>
>>>> You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>>>
>>> You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
>>> even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
>>> their own pulmonary secretions.
>>>
>> While the mortality rate may be relatively low there is still
>> the fact that in one year the US lost more dead to COVID-19 than
>> we did in ALL of World War II.
>
> It's also a comparable number to how many dies in the 1918-19 flu
> pandemic.
>
> When the US had a third the population.
>
> Just to give you some perspective.

And of course there have been absolutely no changes in medical care in
the century between the two events that could have had any impact on how
many people died.

On 7/16/2021 9:22 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
> news:scs7op$qcj$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>> <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from
>>>>>>>> Houston to Tokyo
>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for
>>>>>>>> all !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>>>>>>> face-to-face?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World
>>>>>> produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more
>>>>>> deadly but isn't affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri?  Mississippi?
>>>>>
>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>
>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>
>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>
>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose
>>>>> of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96
>>>>> million are now administered each day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at
>>>>> least one dose.
>>>>>
>>>>> [/quote] -
>>>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>
>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracke
>>>>> r
>>>>
>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the
>>>> third world".  It seems to me that this would require
>>>> conquest and occupation.
>>>
>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>>> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the docks
>>> for months or years.
>>>
>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to
>> death will destroy food aid shipments because someone told them
>> they are genetically modified.
>>
> In the long run, that tends to be a self correcting problem.
>

If the "correction" includes a variant that not only kills better but
can fool the vaccine-prepped immune system, then it will also mean the
end of the entirety of human civilisation (human BEINGS might survive,
but the odds that travel of greater than 100 miles in a day would be
ever considered acceptable again would decrease).

We'd probably have been significantly better off if being unmasked, in
public, and not actively eating or drinking had become subject to a
full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the world we live in (and at any
rate, considering that hiding body parts tends to turn them into
erogenous zones, what would people have done when seeing each other _in_
restaurants in that scenario, anyway?)

But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks that even
outdoor sports are going to have their venue capacities permanently
reduced to 60% of design, with future venues probably designed _from
scratch_ to need more distance around at least seat *groupings*.

I think she's a little over-worried myself, but then I'd have been fine
if masks were a permanent thing, so each of us has our little "these
aren't good quirks at all" issues..

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 08:33:00 UTC+1, Chrysi Cat wrote:
> If the "correction" includes a variant that not only kills better but
> can fool the vaccine-prepped immune system, then it will also mean the
> end of the entirety of human civilisation (human BEINGS might survive,
> but the odds that travel of greater than 100 miles in a day would be
> ever considered acceptable again would decrease).

I don't see the virus doing that... wait, do you mean
that people from 100 miles away will be considered
to be carriers of the plague? Eh, maybe. We will
have communications however... but perhaps an
end to large "nations" with one political system.

War will be fought mainly by robots, perhaps even
if none of us meaties wanted them to.

> We'd probably have been significantly better off if being unmasked, in
> public, and not actively eating or drinking had become subject to a
> full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the world we live in (and at any
> rate, considering that hiding body parts tends to turn them into
> erogenous zones, what would people have done when seeing each other _in_
> restaurants in that scenario, anyway?)

Air kissing at six paces?

> But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks that even
> outdoor sports are going to have their venue capacities permanently
> reduced to 60% of design, with future venues probably designed _from
> scratch_ to need more distance around at least seat *groupings*.
>
> I think she's a little over-worried myself, but then I'd have been fine
> if masks were a permanent thing, so each of us has our little "these
> aren't good quirks at all" issues..

I don't imagine there a spectator sports venue in the
world that doesn't need improvement anyway.

Perhaps we can all attend and watch from our individual
robot flying cars, and be allowed alcohol and other fun
things, but not to get out.

Do you think you can charge an electric robot flying car
while it's flying?

On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:03:42 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>And, much as I regret the loss of life, I cannot help noticing that it
>>is Republican-controlled states that are promoting "vaccination is
>>optional" ideologies and, since virtually all deaths from the bug over
>>the last few months appear to have been /unvaccinated/ persons, that
>>means that a /lot/ of Republican voters will not be available to vote
>>Republican in future elections.
>
>I keep thinking of that, and kicking myself in the figurative
>posterior for even briefly thinking that's a good thing. IT
>ISN'T.

No it's not.

Wanting to beat them decisively at the polls -- yes.

Enjoying watching them kill themselves off -- no.

>>While those pesky Dems, with their concern for public health, will be
>>around to vote -- Democratic.
>>
>>The Republican Party appears to be /literally/ committing suicide.
>>Hence, no doubt, all the nonsense about "kool-aid": projection of what
>>they are doing onto others.
>></definitely political>
>
>/sigh
>
>What nonsense about kool-aid? I mean, I understand the
>reference. But what have Republicans been saying about kool-aid
>in that sense?

I suspect I am flashing on "drink the kool-aid" as used here rather
than anything in the news.

Sorry for any confusion.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 18:05:39 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <XnsAD696D2696EECtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com:
>>
>>> that means that a /lot/ of Republican
>>> voters will not be available to vote Republican in future
>>> elections.
>>>
>>Despite the iles peddled by the press, as best anybody can tell, the
>>actual mortality rate for COVID is less than 1%.
>>
>>You have a defective definition of "a lot."
>>
>You comfort me, Terry. I don't want to wish a lot of people,
>even delusional Trumpist Republicans, to die from drowning in
>their own pulmonary secretions.

Yes, that it won't be more than 1% of the 74 million (per Bing,
searching on "national election 2020 vote totals") who voted for Trump
-- that is, a mere 740,000 -- is a great comfort.

The problem for the Republicans, however, is that those 740,000 votes
may be sorely missed in the future.

They lost Georgia -- not just to Biden, they lost both Senators as
well. This isn't going to make it any easier for them in the future.

And the 1% is "so far". Who knows what the next variant might do? Or
where it might develop?

BTW, I suggest not worrying about this, for that is pointless. I
suggest encouraging the hesitant (and, eventually, the Republicans,
who are far beyond resistance into active opposition at this point) to
get vaccinated so we can tell what level is actually needed for herd
immunity. Headlines like "infections up in all 50 States" suggest that
that is somewhere north of 70%. Well, either that or, in some States,
it is confined to Republican areas.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On 7/17/2021 6:04 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 08:33:00 UTC+1, Chrysi Cat wrote:
>> If the "correction" includes a variant that not only kills better but
>> can fool the vaccine-prepped immune system, then it will also mean the
>> end of the entirety of human civilisation (human BEINGS might survive,
>> but the odds that travel of greater than 100 miles in a day would be
>> ever considered acceptable again would decrease).
>
> I don't see the virus doing that... wait, do you mean
> that people from 100 miles away will be considered
> to be carriers of the plague? Eh, maybe. We will
> have communications however... but perhaps an
> end to large "nations" with one political system.
>
> War will be fought mainly by robots, perhaps even
> if none of us meaties wanted them to.
>
>> We'd probably have been significantly better off if being unmasked, in
>> public, and not actively eating or drinking had become subject to a
>> full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the world we live in (and at any
>> rate, considering that hiding body parts tends to turn them into
>> erogenous zones, what would people have done when seeing each other _in_
>> restaurants in that scenario, anyway?)
>
> Air kissing at six paces?
>
>> But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks that even
>> outdoor sports are going to have their venue capacities permanently
>> reduced to 60% of design, with future venues probably designed _from
>> scratch_ to need more distance around at least seat *groupings*.
>>
>> I think she's a little over-worried myself, but then I'd have been fine
>> if masks were a permanent thing, so each of us has our little "these
>> aren't good quirks at all" issues..
>
> I don't imagine there a spectator sports venue in the
> world that doesn't need improvement anyway.
>
> Perhaps we can all attend and watch from our individual
> robot flying cars, and be allowed alcohol and other fun
> things, but not to get out.
>
> Do you think you can charge an electric robot flying car
> while it's flying?
>
I seem to recall some guy named Tesla claimed to be able to do that....

--
Troll, troll, troll your post gently down the thread
Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

In article <jov5fgdlmn5h4ancn22tr5a88t2o0vq9je@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:03:42 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com>,
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>And, much as I regret the loss of life, I cannot help noticing that it
>>>is Republican-controlled states that are promoting "vaccination is
>>>optional" ideologies and, since virtually all deaths from the bug over
>>>the last few months appear to have been /unvaccinated/ persons, that
>>>means that a /lot/ of Republican voters will not be available to vote
>>>Republican in future elections.
>>
>>I keep thinking of that, and kicking myself in the figurative
>>posterior for even briefly thinking that's a good thing. IT
>>ISN'T.
>
>No it's not.
>
>Wanting to beat them decisively at the polls -- yes.
>
>Enjoying watching them kill themselves off -- no.

We are agreed!

How often does that happen on USENET? :)
>
>>What nonsense about kool-aid? I mean, I understand the
>>reference. But what have Republicans been saying about kool-aid
>>in that sense?
>
>I suspect I am flashing on "drink the kool-aid" as used here rather
>than anything in the news.
>
>Sorry for any confusion.

No problem, I just needed to know that the metaphor is being used
here, not on the national news.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
news:sctqkc$4u0$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2021-07-15 7:39 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>> <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from
>>>>>>> Houston to Tokyo
>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for
>>>>>>> all !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>>>>>> face-to-face?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World
>>>>> produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more
>>>>> deadly but isn't affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri?  Mississippi?
>>>>
>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>
>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>>
>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose
>>>> of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96
>>>> million are now administered each day.
>>>>
>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at
>>>> least one dose.
>>>>
>>>> [/quote] -
>>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>
>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracke
>>>> r
>>>
>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the
>>> third world".  It seems to me that this would require
>>> conquest and occupation.
>>
>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the docks
>> for months or years.
>
> My girlfriend happens to work in international aid and
> development...
>
There are such organization that employ blow up dolls?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Chrysi Cat <Chrysicat@gmail.com> wrote in
news:IIvII.37504$VU3.26540@fx46.iad:

> On 7/16/2021 9:22 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
>> news:scs7op$qcj$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>> <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn
>>>>>>>> McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from
>>>>>>>>> Houston to Tokyo
>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags
>>>>>>>>> for all !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>>>>>>>> face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third
>>>>>>> World produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not only
>>>>>>> much more deadly but isn't affected by the current
>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri?  Mississippi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one
>>>>>> dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and
>>>>>> 29.96 million are now administered each day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at
>>>>>> least one dose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [/quote] -
>>>>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>
>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac
>>>>>> ke r
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the
>>>>> third world".  It seems to me that this would require
>>>>> conquest and occupation.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>>>> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the docks
>>>> for months or years.
>>>>
>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to
>>> death will destroy food aid shipments because someone told
>>> them they are genetically modified.
>>>
>> In the long run, that tends to be a self correcting problem.
>>
>
> If the "correction" includes a variant that not only kills
> better but can fool the vaccine-prepped immune system, then it
> will also mean the end of the entirety of human civilisation
> (human BEINGS might survive, but the odds that travel of greater
> than 100 miles in a day would be ever considered acceptable
> again would decrease).

You should kill yourself now to avoid the Christmas rush. No,
really, you wouldn't want no one to notice such a dramatic
statement.
>
> We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
> unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
> become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the
> world we live in (and at any rate, considering that hiding body
> parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones, what would people
> have done when seeing each other _in_ restaurants in that
> scenario, anyway?)
>
> But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
> that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
> capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
> venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
> around at least seat *groupings*.

The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.

Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?

Neither has anybody else.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:jov5fgdlmn5h4ancn22tr5a88t2o0vq9je@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:03:42 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com>,
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>And, much as I regret the loss of life, I cannot help noticing
>>>that it is Republican-controlled states that are promoting
>>>"vaccination is optional" ideologies and, since virtually all
>>>deaths from the bug over the last few months appear to have
>>>been /unvaccinated/ persons, that means that a /lot/ of
>>>Republican voters will not be available to vote Republican in
>>>future elections.
>>
>>I keep thinking of that, and kicking myself in the figurative
>>posterior for even briefly thinking that's a good thing. IT
>>ISN'T.
>
> No it's not.
>
> Wanting to beat them decisively at the polls -- yes.
>
> Enjoying watching them kill themselves off -- no.

And yet, you do, literally, wish for such things and get pleasure
from the fantasy.

At least you know you're evil. And it does explain the self-
loathing of the left. It's well deserved, y'all being subhuman and
all.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2021-07-17 12:10 p.m., Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
> news:sctqkc$4u0$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2021-07-15 7:39 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>> <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from
>>>>>>>> Houston to Tokyo
>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for
>>>>>>>> all !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>>>>>>> face-to-face?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World
>>>>>> produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more
>>>>>> deadly but isn't affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri?  Mississippi?
>>>>>
>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>
>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>
>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>
>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose
>>>>> of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96
>>>>> million are now administered each day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at
>>>>> least one dose.
>>>>>
>>>>> [/quote] -
>>>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>
>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracke
>>>>> r
>>>>
>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the
>>>> third world".  It seems to me that this would require
>>>> conquest and occupation.
>>>
>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>>> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the docks
>>> for months or years.
>>
>> My girlfriend happens to work in international aid and
>> development...
>>
> There are such organization that employ blow up dolls?
>

I'm sure to you that was the very acme of wit.

On 2021-07-17 12:15 p.m., Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:jov5fgdlmn5h4ancn22tr5a88t2o0vq9je@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:03:42 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <3ec3fgl4g2stev5eu14kngva16fclvro9v@4ax.com>,
>>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>> And, much as I regret the loss of life, I cannot help noticing
>>>> that it is Republican-controlled states that are promoting
>>>> "vaccination is optional" ideologies and, since virtually all
>>>> deaths from the bug over the last few months appear to have
>>>> been /unvaccinated/ persons, that means that a /lot/ of
>>>> Republican voters will not be available to vote Republican in
>>>> future elections.
>>>
>>> I keep thinking of that, and kicking myself in the figurative
>>> posterior for even briefly thinking that's a good thing. IT
>>> ISN'T.
>>
>> No it's not.
>>
>> Wanting to beat them decisively at the polls -- yes.
>>
>> Enjoying watching them kill themselves off -- no.
>
> And yet, you do, literally, wish for such things and get pleasure
> from the fantasy.

And yet, you do, actually literally, just make this bullshit up.

>
> At least you know you're evil. And it does explain the self-
> loathing of the left. It's well deserved, y'all being subhuman and
> all.

And you are on record as stating that such "subhumans" should be killed.

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
> >>>>>>> Tokyo
> >>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
> >>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
> >>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
> >>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Piggishness has its price.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
> >>>>
> >>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
> >>>> to evolve our own variants.
> >>>>
> >>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
> >>>> Over 60% in my state are.
> >>>>
> >>>> [quote]
> >>>>
> >>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
> >>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
> >>>> are now administered each day.
> >>>>
> >>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
> >>>> dose.
> >>>>
> >>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
> >>>>
> >>>> That last line is very scary.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> >>>
> >>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
> >>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
> >>> occupation.
> >>
> >> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
> >> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
> >>
> > There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
> > destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
> > genetically modified.
> >
> >
> Bullshit.

You know, Google exists.

Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.

https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669

"In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
imports."

Pt

On 2021-07-17 2:03 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>>>>> are now administered each day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>>>>> dose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>>>>> occupation.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
>>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
>>>>
>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
>>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
>>> genetically modified.
>>>
>>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> You know, Google exists.
>
> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
>
> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>
> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
> possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
> people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
> imports."

Look up: "anecdotal".

And I would be large that the refusal was more based on the correct
palms not being greased.

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:12:53 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-17 2:03 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
> >>>>>>>>> Tokyo
> >>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
> >>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
> >>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
> >>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
> >>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
> >>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
> >>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
> >>>>>> are now administered each day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
> >>>>>> dose.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That last line is very scary.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
> >>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
> >>>>> occupation.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
> >>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
> >>>>
> >>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
> >>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
> >>> genetically modified.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Bullshit.
> >
> > You know, Google exists.
> >
> > Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
> >
> > https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
> >
> > "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
> > possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
> > people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
> > government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
> > imports."
> Look up: "anecdotal".

FFS, look things up. This is not an anecdote. It happened.

FWIW, Zambia reversed itself 2019.

Pt

On 2021-07-17 2:18 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:12:53 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-17 2:03 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>>>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>>>>>>> are now administered each day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>>>>>>> dose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>>>>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>>>>>>> occupation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
>>>>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
>>>>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
>>>>> genetically modified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> You know, Google exists.
>>>
>>> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
>>>
>>> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>>>
>>> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
>>> possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
>>> people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
>>> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
>>> imports."
>> Look up: "anecdotal".
>
> FFS, look things up. This is not an anecdote. It happened.

That's not what "anecdotal" means in the context of statistics.

Yes: it happened. On a couple of occasions.

Your statement was that:

"There ARE parts of the world"

>
> FWIW, Zambia reversed itself 2019.

On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 20:13:27 UTC+1, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Chrysi Cat <Chry...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:IIvII.37504$VU3....@fx46.iad:
> > We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
> > unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
> > become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the
> > world we live in (and at any rate, considering that hiding body
> > parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones, what would people
> > have done when seeing each other _in_ restaurants in that
> > scenario, anyway?)
> >
> > But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
> > that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
> > capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
> > venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
> > around at least seat *groupings*.
>
> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>
> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?

To save anybody the trouble: yes.