Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:f341f1d6-280b-4ade-ae72-4157c929d5den@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 20:13:27 UTC+1, Ninapenda Jibini
> wrote:
>> Chrysi Cat <Chry...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:IIvII.37504$VU3....@fx46.iad:
>> > We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
>> > unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
>> > become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not
>> > the world we live in (and at any rate, considering that
>> > hiding body parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones,
>> > what would people have done when seeing each other _in_
>> > restaurants in that scenario, anyway?)
>> >
>> > But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
>> > that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
>> > capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
>> > venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
>> > around at least seat *groupings*.
>>
>> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>
>> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>
> To save anybody the trouble: yes.
>
Heh. It's such an iconic part of the usual flapper look.

The parallels between this pandemic and that one are remarkable.
Even to the idiots like you who gobble down whatever the "news"
media spoon feeds you.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3b80fc47-4ad8-4d3a-a2b9-a1e7f59b4c57n@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker
> wrote:
>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> > On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>> >>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>> >>>> Person wrote:
>> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>> >>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn
>> >>>>>> McGuire wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> [snip]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from
>> >>>>>>> Houston to Tokyo
>> >>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags
>> >>>>>>> for all !
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>> >>>>>> face-to-face?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end
>> >>>>>> sometime....}
>> >>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third
>> >>>>> World produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not only
>> >>>>> much more deadly but isn't affected by the current
>> >>>>> vaccines.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>> >>>> to evolve our own variants.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>> >>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [quote]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one
>> >>>> dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and
>> >>>> 29.96 million are now administered each day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at
>> >>>> least one dose.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [/quote] -
>> >>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That last line is very scary.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tra
>> >>>> cker
>> >>>
>> >>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the
>> >>> third world". It seems to me that this would require
>> >>> conquest and occupation.
>> >>
>> >> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>> >> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the
>> >> docks for months or years.
>> >>
>> > There are parts of the world where people who are starving to
>> > death will destroy food aid shipments because someone told
>> > them they are genetically modified.
>> >
>> >
>> Bullshit.
>
> You know, Google exists.

No, he really doesn't. Every thime - literally *every* time - that
he's ever tried to back up his insane fantasies with sources -
*every* time - he's only managed to come up with sources that prove
him wrong. So he's simply stopped being capable of accepting that
it exists.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:565bcc03-feb4-4787-9755-4ff39f7c83d0n@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:12:53 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
> wrote:
>> On 2021-07-17 2:03 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> >>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>> >>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>> >>>>>> Person wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>> >>>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn
>> >>>>>>>> McGuire wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> [snip]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic
>> >>>>>>>>> from Houston to Tokyo
>> >>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf
>> >>>>>>>>> bags for all !
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>> >>>>>>>> face-to-face?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end
>> >>>>>>>> sometime....}
>> >>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third
>> >>>>>>> World produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not
>> >>>>>>> only much more deadly but isn't affected by the current
>> >>>>>>> vaccines.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>> >>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>> >>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> [quote]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one
>> >>>>>> dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and
>> >>>>>> 29.96 million are now administered each day.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received
>> >>>>>> at least one dose.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> [/quote] -
>> >>>>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-t
>> >>>>>> racker
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate
>> >>>>> the third world". It seems to me that this would require
>> >>>>> conquest and occupation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>> >>>> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the
>> >>>> docks for months or years.
>> >>>>
>> >>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving
>> >>> to death will destroy food aid shipments because someone
>> >>> told them they are genetically modified.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Bullshit.
>> >
>> > You know, Google exists.
>> >
>> > Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for
>> > the starving people.
>> >
>> > https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>> >
>> > "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food
>> > aid because of the possibility that it could be genetically
>> > modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million people in
>> > Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
>> > government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food
>> > aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly
>> > against both milled and nonmilled GM food imports."
>> Look up: "anecdotal".
>
> FFS, look things up.

He *can't*. He lacks he mental capacity to understand that he does
not experience the real world. Really.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
news:scvhr3$h4k$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2021-07-17 2:18 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:12:53 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
>> wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-17 2:03 p.m., pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>>>>>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>> McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic
>>>>>>>>>>>> from Houston to Tokyo
>>>>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf
>>>>>>>>>>>> bags for all !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a
>>>>>>>>>>> face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end
>>>>>>>>>>> sometime....}
>>>>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third
>>>>>>>>>> World produces a really /nasty/ variant that is not
>>>>>>>>>> only much more deadly but isn't affected by the current
>>>>>>>>>> vaccines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one
>>>>>>>>> dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and
>>>>>>>>> 29.96 million are now administered each day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received
>>>>>>>>> at least one dose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [/quote] -
>>>>>>>>> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-t
>>>>>>>>> racker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate
>>>>>>>> the third world". It seems to me that this would require
>>>>>>>> conquest and occupation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world
>>>>>>> countries will result in shipping crates sitting on the
>>>>>>> docks for months or years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving
>>>>>> to death will destroy food aid shipments because someone
>>>>>> told them they are genetically modified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> You know, Google exists.
>>>>
>>>> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for
>>>> the starving people.
>>>>
>>>> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>>>>
>>>> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food
>>>> aid because of the possibility that it could be genetically
>>>> modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million people in
>>>> Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
>>>> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food
>>>> aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly
>>>> against both milled and nonmilled GM food imports."
>>> Look up: "anecdotal".
>>
>> FFS, look things up. This is not an anecdote. It happened.
>
> That's not what "anecdotal" means in the context of statistics.
>
> Yes: it happened. On a couple of occasions.
>
> Your statement was that:
>
> "There ARE parts of the world"
>
He said it happened. It happened.

Nobody mention statistics. Except you, trying to not look as
mentally ill and delusional as you are.

Take you meds. Really. You *need* them. Maybe the voices will stop
telling you to do bad things.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:56:24 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 20:13:27 UTC+1, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> > Chrysi Cat <Chry...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:IIvII.37504$VU3....@fx46.iad:
> > > We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
> > > unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
> > > become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the
> > > world we live in (and at any rate, considering that hiding body
> > > parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones, what would people
> > > have done when seeing each other _in_ restaurants in that
> > > scenario, anyway?)
> > >
> > > But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
> > > that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
> > > capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
> > > venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
> > > around at least seat *groupings*.
> >
> > The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
> >
> > Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
> To save anybody the trouble: yes.

Kind of hard to find, but the first photo here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/i-predict-your-predictions-are-wrong/611896/

Pt

In article <XnsAD6A7C554B006taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>
>Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>
>Neither has anybody else.

Flappers were *post*-pandemic.

--
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 7/17/2021 2:03 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>>>>> are now administered each day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>>>>> dose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>>>>> occupation.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
>>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
>>>>
>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
>>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
>>> genetically modified.
>>>
>>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> You know, Google exists.
>
> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
>
> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>
> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
> possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
> people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
> imports."
>
That was the government. There have also been instances where the local
government accepted such aid and the people lined up for it have rioted
and destroyed the food upon hearing a rumor that it was GM.

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On 7/17/2021 5:52 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <XnsAD6A7C554B006taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>
>> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>>
>> Neither has anybody else.
>
> Flappers were *post*-pandemic.
>
Tsk, tsk, Ms. Heydt. You say that like you think facts matter in an
argument! :P

--
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On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 23:35:02 UTC+1, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:56:24 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 20:13:27 UTC+1, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> > > Chrysi Cat <Chry...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > news:IIvII.37504$VU3....@fx46.iad:
> > > > We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
> > > > unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
> > > > become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the
> > > > world we live in (and at any rate, considering that hiding body
> > > > parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones, what would people
> > > > have done when seeing each other _in_ restaurants in that
> > > > scenario, anyway?)
> > > >
> > > > But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
> > > > that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
> > > > capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
> > > > venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
> > > > around at least seat *groupings*.
> > >
> > > The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
> > >
> > > Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
> > To save anybody the trouble: yes.
> Kind of hard to find, but the first photo here:
> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/i-predict-your-predictions-are-wrong/611896/

Of course one should read the article, making the case
in 2020 that eventually people will forget about COVID-19
like everybody forgot about Auschwitz and about 9/11.

And those ladies are not wearing their masks correctly.

And mainly I saw things like this
<https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/846574824/stylish-black-fringe-tassel-cotton-face>
which is a mask made in 2021 that has bangs basically!

On 17/07/21 7:32 pm, Chrysi Cat wrote:

snip

Are you having a bad day, Chrysi Cat? Your post was interesting but far
too pessimistic for me to take seriously.

>
> If the "correction" includes a variant that not only kills better but
> can fool the vaccine-prepped immune system, then it will also mean the
> end of the entirety of human civilisation (human BEINGS might survive,
> but the odds that travel of greater than 100 miles in a day would be
> ever considered acceptable again would decrease).
>
> We'd probably have been significantly better off

Who is this "We"?
It is only the peasants who are dying and suffering economically. Is
anyone on Wall Street bringing sandwiches from home for lunch? Royalty
in most places appear to be immune as do billionaires and their
immediate loved ones.

if being unmasked, in
> public, and not actively eating or drinking had become subject to a
> full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the world we live in (and at any
> rate, considering that hiding body parts tends to turn them into
> erogenous zones, what would people have done when seeing each other _in_
> restaurants in that scenario, anyway?)

Probably illegal to masturbate in restaurants even in the self-claimed
land of the free, the US. (I read recently that Georgia has passed laws
making it illegal to give food or drink to anyone in an election voting
booth queue but it said nothing about masturbation.)

>
> But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks that even
> outdoor sports are going to have their venue capacities permanently
> reduced to 60% of design, with future venues probably designed _from
> scratch_ to need more distance around at least seat *groupings*.
>
> I think she's a little over-worried myself, but then I'd have been fine
> if masks were a permanent thing, so each of us has our little "these
> aren't good quirks at all" issues..
>

On 18/07/2021 05:13, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
[SNIP]
>
> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>
> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>
> Neither has anybody else.
>
Bit early for flappers, that's the reason.

But yes, I have seen a picture of a flapper wearing a surgical mask, she
was a nurse. :-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 23:35:02 UTC+1, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:56:24 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> > On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 20:13:27 UTC+1, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> > > Chrysi Cat <Chry...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > > news:IIvII.37504$VU3....@fx46.iad:
>> > > > We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
>> > > > unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
>> > > > become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the
>> > > > world we live in (and at any rate, considering that hiding body
>> > > > parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones, what would people
>> > > > have done when seeing each other _in_ restaurants in that
>> > > > scenario, anyway?)
>> > > >
>> > > > But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
>> > > > that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
>> > > > capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
>> > > > venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
>> > > > around at least seat *groupings*.
>> > >
>> > > The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>> > >
>> > > Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>> > To save anybody the trouble: yes.
>> Kind of hard to find, but the first photo here:
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/i-predict-your-predictions-are-wrong/611896/
>
>Of course one should read the article, making the case
>in 2020 that eventually people will forget about COVID-19
>like everybody forgot about Auschwitz and about 9/11.
>
>And those ladies are not wearing their masks correctly.

By today's standards.

>And mainly I saw things like this
><https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/846574824/stylish-black-fringe-tassel-cotton-face>
>which is a mask made in 2021 that has bangs basically!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9f4065d5-2edd-4125-bf34-0505009dbb30n@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:56:24 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie
> wrote:
>> On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 20:13:27 UTC+1, Ninapenda Jibini
>> wrote:
>> > Chrysi Cat <Chry...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:IIvII.37504$VU3....@fx46.iad:
>> > > We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
>> > > unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking
>> > > had become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's
>> > > not the world we live in (and at any rate, considering that
>> > > hiding body parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones,
>> > > what would people have done when seeing each other _in_
>> > > restaurants in that scenario, anyway?)
>> > >
>> > > But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine
>> > > thinks that even outdoor sports are going to have their
>> > > venue capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with
>> > > future venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more
>> > > distance around at least seat *groupings*.
>> >
>> > The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>> >
>> > Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>> To save anybody the trouble: yes.
>
> Kind of hard to find,

Rather the point. Good of you to admit it.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qwF13p.16yr@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsAD6A7C554B006taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>
>>Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>>
>>Neither has anybody else.
>
> Flappers were *post*-pandemic.
>
By a couple of years.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:sd01kf$dmd$2@dont-email.me:

> On 7/17/2021 5:52 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <XnsAD6A7C554B006taustincagmailcom@85.12.62.245>,
>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>>
>>> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>>>
>>> Neither has anybody else.
>>
>> Flappers were *post*-pandemic.
>>
> Tsk, tsk, Ms. Heydt. You say that like you think facts matter
> in an argument! :P
>
While ignoring them!

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

"Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
news:d6kcsh-ui4.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:

> On 18/07/2021 05:13, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> [SNIP]
>>
>> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>
>> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>>
>> Neither has anybody else.
>>
> Bit early for flappers, that's the reason.

Within a few years of the pandemic fading, it was largely forgotten.

Which was the point, for those who were paying attention to the
conversation instead of trying to move the goalposts.

The same will happen this time.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 9:51:02 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/17/2021 2:03 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
> >>>>>>>>> Tokyo
> >>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
> >>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
> >>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
> >>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
> >>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
> >>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
> >>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
> >>>>>> are now administered each day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
> >>>>>> dose.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That last line is very scary.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
> >>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
> >>>>> occupation.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
> >>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
> >>>>
> >>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
> >>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
> >>> genetically modified.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Bullshit.
> >
> > You know, Google exists.
> >
> > Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
> >
> > https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
> >
> > "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
> > possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
> > people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
> > government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
> > imports."
> >
> That was the government. There have also been instances where the local
> government accepted such aid and the people lined up for it have rioted
> and destroyed the food upon hearing a rumor that it was GM.

I provided a citation. Can you do the same?

Pt

On Sunday, 18 July 2021 at 02:51:02 UTC+1, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/17/2021 2:03 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
> >>>>>>>>> Tokyo
> >>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
> >>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
> >>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
> >>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
> >>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
> >>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
> >>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
> >>>>>> are now administered each day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
> >>>>>> dose.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That last line is very scary.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
> >>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
> >>>>> occupation.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
> >>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
> >>>>
> >>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
> >>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
> >>> genetically modified.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Bullshit.
> >
> > You know, Google exists.
> >
> > Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
> >
> > https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
> >
> > "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
> > possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
> > people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
> > government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
> > imports."
> >
> That was the government. There have also been instances where the local
> government accepted such aid and the people lined up for it have rioted
> and destroyed the food upon hearing a rumor that it was GM.

If the U.S. gives food away, I certainly will
wonder what is wrong with it.

On 19/07/21 1:45 pm, Robert Carnegie wrote:

>
> If the U.S. gives food away, I certainly will
> wonder what is wrong with it.
>

Where the US sells food in my country, I know what is wrong with it and
never buy nor eat it. eg Big Diabetes Macs.

On 19/07/2021 05:07, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
> news:d6kcsh-ui4.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
>
>> On 18/07/2021 05:13, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>>>
>>> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>>
>>> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>>>
>>> Neither has anybody else.
>>>
>> Bit early for flappers, that's the reason.
>
> Within a few years of the pandemic fading, it was largely forgotten.
>
> Which was the point, for those who were paying attention to the
> conversation instead of trying to move the goalposts.
>
> The same will happen this time.
>
Of course it will. Most people refuse to learn from the past, some
wilfully, some through simple laziness.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

--
Waiting for a new signature to suggest itself...

On 7/18/2021 8:45 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Sunday, 18 July 2021 at 02:51:02 UTC+1, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/17/2021 2:03 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>>>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>>>>>>> are now administered each day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>>>>>>> dose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>>>>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>>>>>>> occupation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
>>>>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
>>>>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
>>>>> genetically modified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> You know, Google exists.
>>>
>>> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
>>>
>>> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>>>
>>> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
>>> possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
>>> people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
>>> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
>>> imports."
>>>
>> That was the government. There have also been instances where the local
>> government accepted such aid and the people lined up for it have rioted
>> and destroyed the food upon hearing a rumor that it was GM.
>
> If the U.S. gives food away, I certainly will
> wonder what is wrong with it.

When I was kid in the 1960s, the farmers grew a lot of rice in south
Texas. You would see huge bundles of rice, crates of 50 ? 60 ? pounds
of rice, being shipped to Africa labeled a gift of the USA people to the
people of Africa at the Port of Houston.

Lynn

On 7/18/2021 5:41 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 9:51:02 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/17/2021 2:03 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>> On 7/15/2021 7:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/15/2021 5:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:37:53 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ADD: Still looking forward to the daily ballistic from Houston to
>>>>>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>>>>>> and back. Fifteen minutes of free fall. Free barf bags for all !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...& 2 weeks in quarantine before you get to have a face-to-face?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> {Yes, I know this @#!&*#! pandemic will end sometime....}
>>>>>>>>> Well, we /hope/ so, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Preferably /before/ our failure to vaccinate the Third World produces
>>>>>>>>> a really /nasty/ variant that is not only much more deadly but isn't
>>>>>>>>> affected by the current vaccines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Piggishness has its price.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does "Third World" = Missouri? Mississippi?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In parts of the US we can retain pockets sufficient
>>>>>>>> to evolve our own variants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 48.5% of USians are fully vaccinated.
>>>>>>>> Over 60% in my state are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 25.8% of the world population has received at least one dose of a
>>>>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3.54 billion doses have been administered globally, and 29.96 million
>>>>>>>> are now administered each day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one
>>>>>>>> dose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [/quote] - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That last line is very scary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am curious as to how "we" are supposed to "vaccinate the third
>>>>>>> world". It seems to me that this would require conquest and
>>>>>>> occupation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that shipping the vaccine to the third world countries will
>>>>>> result in shipping crates sitting on the docks for months or years.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
>>>>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
>>>>> genetically modified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> You know, Google exists.
>>>
>>> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
>>>
>>> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>>>
>>> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
>>> possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
>>> people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
>>> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
>>> imports."
>>>
>> That was the government. There have also been instances where the local
>> government accepted such aid and the people lined up for it have rioted
>> and destroyed the food upon hearing a rumor that it was GM.
>
> I provided a citation. Can you do the same?
>
Not offhand, the last I remember hearing was several years ago and its
late. Maybe I'll remember to look for it tomorrow my time.

--
Troll, troll, troll your post gently down the thread
Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

On 2021-07-18 8:42 p.m., Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 05:07, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
>> news:d6kcsh-ui4.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
>>
>>> On 18/07/2021 05:13, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> [SNIP]
>>>>
>>>> The same claims were made in 1918 and 1919.
>>>>
>>>> Have *you* ever seen a photo of a flapper wearing a mask?
>>>>
>>>> Neither has anybody else.
>>>>
>>> Bit early for flappers, that's the reason.
>>
>> Within a few years of the pandemic fading, it was largely forgotten.
>>
>> Which was the point, for those who were paying attention to the
>> conversation instead of trying to move the goalposts.
>>
>> The same will happen this time.
>>
> Of course it will.  Most people refuse to learn from the past, some
> wilfully, some through simple laziness.
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)
>

Terry will be leading that pack.

He is the guy who said this was no worse than an average flu.

On 17/07/2021 16.03, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-16 8:14 a.m., Dimensional Traveler wrote:

>>> There are parts of the world where people who are starving to death will
>>> destroy food aid shipments because someone told them they are
>>> genetically modified.
>>>
>>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> You know, Google exists.
>
> Not destroy, but refuse, which amounts to the same thing for the starving people.
>
> https://ecommons.cornell.edu/handle/1813/55669
>
> "In 2002 the Zambian government rejected 35,000 tons of food aid because of the
> possibility that it could be genetically modified (GM). During this time roughly 3 million
> people in Zambia faced severe food shortages and extreme hunger. As the
> government turned away this food aid, a debate over GM food aid arose globally. The government of Zambia remains firmly against both milled and nonmilled GM food
> imports."

The original statement was this was done by "people who are starving".
This anecdote only fits if the Zambian politicians or bureaucrats who
rejected the food aid were among the 3 million Zambians who were
starving.

I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but at the moment I doubt that
this was the case. It seems to me highly likely that the people doing
the rejecting and the people doing the starving were disjoint sets.

--
Michael F. Stemper
The name of the story is "A Sound of Thunder".
It was written by Ray Bradbury. You're welcome.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:scv2hr$njs$1@dont-email.me:

> On 7/17/2021 6:04 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 08:33:00 UTC+1, Chrysi Cat wrote:
>>> If the "correction" includes a variant that not only kills
>>> better but can fool the vaccine-prepped immune system, then it
>>> will also mean the end of the entirety of human civilisation
>>> (human BEINGS might survive, but the odds that travel of
>>> greater than 100 miles in a day would be ever considered
>>> acceptable again would decrease).
>>
>> I don't see the virus doing that... wait, do you mean
>> that people from 100 miles away will be considered
>> to be carriers of the plague? Eh, maybe. We will
>> have communications however... but perhaps an
>> end to large "nations" with one political system.
>>
>> War will be fought mainly by robots, perhaps even
>> if none of us meaties wanted them to.
>>
>>> We'd probably have been significantly better off if being
>>> unmasked, in public, and not actively eating or drinking had
>>> become subject to a full-on cultural taboo, but that's not the
>>> world we live in (and at any rate, considering that hiding
>>> body parts tends to turn them into erogenous zones, what would
>>> people have done when seeing each other _in_ restaurants in
>>> that scenario, anyway?)
>>
>> Air kissing at six paces?
>>
>>> But that's not where we went, and now a friend of mine thinks
>>> that even outdoor sports are going to have their venue
>>> capacities permanently reduced to 60% of design, with future
>>> venues probably designed _from scratch_ to need more distance
>>> around at least seat *groupings*.
>>>
>>> I think she's a little over-worried myself, but then I'd have
>>> been fine if masks were a permanent thing, so each of us has
>>> our little "these aren't good quirks at all" issues..
>>
>> I don't imagine there a spectator sports venue in the
>> world that doesn't need improvement anyway.
>>
>> Perhaps we can all attend and watch from our individual
>> robot flying cars, and be allowed alcohol and other fun
>> things, but not to get out.
>>
>> Do you think you can charge an electric robot flying car
>> while it's flying?
>>
> I seem to recall some guy named Tesla claimed to be able to do
> that....
>
He also says he's going to put a million colonists on Mars by 2050.

You can't take anything a pothead says at face value.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB